If you think pulling out combat brigades after 18 months and still keeping a troop presence is "immediate".

Former foreign policy adviser Samantha Power told the BBC that Obama’s 16-month plan is a “best-scenario” and that the reality is he will try to withdraw troops “as quickly and responsibly as possible.”

Both Clinton and Obama have talked about keeping some U.S. presence in Iraq after withdrawing the bulk of American troops, but it’s unclear how broad that presence would be. Obama’s Web site states that “some troops” would stay in Iraq to protect U.S. embassies and diplomats and carry out targeted strikes on Al Qaeda if the organization tries to keep a base in Iraq after U.S. withdrawal.

That sure is a far cry from "immediate". And it acknowledges that current troop levels will HAVE to be reduced. I don't know what fucking part of that some of you Republicans can't understand. It's no longer just a case of 'we don't want to keep current troop levels and the war going', it's that WE CAN'T. Like i said, you guys really are living in a dream world.



Listen to 4:15 in. And get it through your head.

And he makes a good point. What the fuck is Condoleeza Rice doing running around trying to drum up a VP nod when her diplomacy as far as the middle East is concerned is zilch!?? She should be out there day in and day out trying to end this fucking war and bring about Iraqi reconciliation.



Hagel - Since the surge started, we've lost over 1000 troops.

"we don't have the capability to sustain it"