RKMBs Forums .::Important::. off topic and offensive posts The super secret RKMBs raid planning thread just for RKMBs members and not gaysurgery posters

Then I guess if it's all a lie, Karl Rove and whatever Bush appointees and staffers will happily testify then to set us straight.

oh wait, only Siegelman and Ms. Simpson want to swear under oath. Rove just wants to discount their stories and testimony, from the safety of his FOX news chair and his print column where of course, he's NOT under any legal obligation to actually y'know, tell the truth.

No, it hasn't been proven, but the Administration sure is stonewalling. Not the sign of a clear conscience. And 60 Minutes, Seigelman, and subsequent media reports sure make a convincing case to Roves guilt and involvement. And as I've posted, when Rove is asked directly the question of involvement, he doesn't answer with a definitive answer. He talks around the question. If there's' nothing here, then Rove has nothing to try to evade and nothing to hide. He sure doesn't act like it though. And you're content to ignore all that and parse disclaimers.

I dunoo.. I hate Democrats who besmirch the Party's integrity and honesty. Have you ever stopped to think that perhaps a better tack for your party is to toss these people out and demand they come clean under oath if there really is nothing there, there rather than repeatedly trying to defend them beyond the threshold of common sense?

There is a reason the Republican Party is doing so badly nationwide and it has nothing to do with not being Republican enough. These Bush people, as my 2 quotes say, have damaged the Republican brand so badly as to the GOP name being in the toilet right now. Contrary to what you may believe about my thinking, having the gOp destroyed is not conducive to democracy in general. a vigorous debate is healthy. What I've always objected to is just the sort of thing McLellan is harping on. The use of propaganda, distortion, and attack on any critic as an enemy of America. Which is the spot the GOP has rested their fortunes on for this past decade, especially after 9/11 and are just now reaping the fruits of that kind of Mccarthyite tactic and mindset.

And for the millionth time i have to ask

SO WHAT?

The nominee is going to be picked based on the delegate count. This isn't something new. And if we're discussing popular votes, Hillary still only can claim that if you do creative accounting.

Do you mean to tell me that not one single person in Michigan, including Detroit wanted to vote for Obama or would in a general election?

The fantasy is almost over MEM. Thank goodness.

I did. I have to go to work right now but if not it'd be real easy to quote a bunch of posts, and not just from recently, where gay sex is discussed ad naseum. It's pathological!

Now back to the subject at hand.

While this obviously will be devastating to Hillary, Obama at least should benefit from this being Hillary's last desperate straw that'll sway the final supers his way. and more importantly, comparing Obama to RFK, however tasteless and frankly, disgusting, will hopefully remind the boomer generation of the last time there was a candidate that advocated real substantial social change and how they supported that candidate wholeheartedly.

Being compared to RFK, especially after getting endorsed by Ted Kennedy and having HIM compare Obama to RFK himself, is not a bad place to be actually. So Hillary may have inadvertently helped him with boomers by reminding them of the unfulfilled promise of the Kennedy campaign.

Look at how and when he uses people real names. It's always when he's talking down to them, like some fucking parent or something.

Real names are just more ammo for him and he likes the advantage.

Yep. receiving the usual sentence from the Hague for murdering thousands in an unprovoked war is the same thing as an assassination.