....Oh wait. No it isn't. Trump is drawing tremendously huge crowds every where he goes--even places he hasn't gone (see also: Beverly Hills)--and, predictably, the polls have once again gone from YUGELY favoring Democrats to evening out with, or leaning toward, Trump.
Lets cut to the meat of the matter and eliminate all equivocation in the process: the Democrats do not have hidden voters. They all operate in plain sight on account of their self proclaimed, protected status as "polite society". By that same token, Trump's voters are still vilified and targeted--even killed (see also: Jacob Gardner's "suicide")--when identified by hostile partizans and aggressive insurgents (see also: Antifa, BLM), and thus have a vested interest in remaining hidden even as Trump draws large crowds. Where there's smoke, there's fire...and if those rally sizes constitute smoke, what does that say about the fire?
Bearing this in mind, the polls lie. Obviously. They always have, being a tool of manipulating public perception rather than a means of conducting objective analysis. That being said, they've gone almost completely from serving the purpose of overestimating the cultural strength and prevalence of Democrats, as a means to chip away at conservative morale, to masking an inevitable massive fraud so as to cease the severe hemorrhage from the near fatal wounds that Trump has dealt the cabal (see also: the euphemistic "Deep State"). It's certainly not the first time or occasion that Democrats have cheated using voter fraud. More than likely they've used numerous permutations of the basic concept over the past 40 to 50 years in every single state to gaslight the populous with spurious perceptions that they're outnumbered by an "other" philosophy that's entirely alien to them and that they're a dying race of thinkers destined for death. But I'm all but certain that the lengths they've gone to over the past 6 to 12 months constitutes the single most massive fraud to which we will ever bear witness since they are necessarily going to have to break the 3% rule in an attempt to meet their goal of getting the dementia-plagued Biden (Harris) into office.
By "3%", I'm referring to the threshold that must be observed when playing the game of stacking dummy votes before it becomes noticeable. By comparison, the scale of the primaries is such that a given political party can get away with a rate of 10% fraudulent ballots or, at the very least, "counted" votes before hitting a barrier of explicit fraud (see also: Hillary and Biden stealing primaries in CA and IA). The threshold for a general is 3%, and they must surpass it. They will, of course, launch the same narrative of "look no further" with regards to voter fraud OR they will project blame on the opposition. But this is the first time that they've had to deal with someone who has a vested interest in exposing voter fraud--as opposed to establishment Republicans who've been complicit with Democrats in hiding it.
Bearing these two factors in mind, the center-left and/or dead heat polls that we are seeing assuredly allude to something beyond margin of error. More like, significant lead for Trump that they're desperate to hide. In actuality, they know people don't believe it, but since narratives must be steeped in the tone of something "official", they must forego the acknowledgement of the natural understanding of the individual (see also: common sense) and rely upon the open secret of deceit so that they might simply emphasize their own consistency to justify results that are inconsistent with apparent reality, and thus effectively broadcasting their strategy to their true believers (see also: MEM) via the dog whistle of outrageous claims and general incredulity given credence only by their own repetition and devotion to the current state of the Overton Window. The Zeitgeist is now squarely in the hands of the individual, and not the media.
PA has already stated that the state will not be called today in the interest of insuring 'every vote is accounted for'. NC will likely be in a similar situation. Democrats managed to take advantage of the liberal plant, Justice Roberts, who has allowed them to keep votes flowing into the states three days past the election. Trump will cry fowl--as well he should. As counties that were clearly turned red gradually metamorphasize to blue over a long enough timeline, the rules of the game will be clear cut to everyone. And that spark will risk a conflagration.
People here are probably already aware of the warnings of rioting, violence, and looting today--especially if Biden loses. This fact should be self-defeating to his ilk, but neigh. On the contrary, they've gone through great lengths to construct a mentally gymnastic high ground built up the persistent narrative that Trump is an underhanded, lying istaphobe to whom which any form of violence would be justified. As such, they have fabricated a reality in which they can wear the violence and viciousness of Biden's supporters and fellow travelers on their sleeve and still sit pretty atop their pile of sophistry ridden rhetoric and ad hominem laden shit. Conversely, any violence taken up by Trump supporters, whether offensive or defensive, in the coming days will be portrayed as insurrectionist terrorism. Only the left could some how get away with being so blatantly coercive, but still make a case for righteousness. And while this is going on, Hilldog has told Biden to "not concede defeat under any circumstances".
For those who don't already know at this point: everyone--and I mean EVERYONE--is now VERY well armed and on high alert. Antifa is gonna Antifa regardless of outcome. BLM is gonna BLM regardless of outcome. Such are the intimidation orders they've been receiving from OCONUS. Furthermore, mothers have bought firearms in record numbers on account of the riots. Militias are standing by, and still as geared up as they ever were. Trump has erected a fence around the White House and called in around 250 soldiers to guard the castle.
I'm hoping I'm wrong on this one and that Trump has a trick up his sleeve to mitigate or nullify the likely friction (to put it lightly) that will ensue today and over the course of the next month or so. But there's too many factors, too many actors, and too much on the line to assume anything other than shots fired.
Knowing full well the consequences of saying something with this much finality before the big game, I say it anyway: Trump will win in a landslide both in the popular vote and the electoral college. Any other reported result will, and should, be challenged.
Back to our original programming.
....What say the rest of you? Putting aside your preferences, which are pretty much well documented, who do you think will win and by how much?
The 2016 polls at the end showing Hillary with about a 3 percent lead was only off a percentage point. Her popular vote total came close. Biden?s national lead is about 8. If they?re off by 1 percent again that probably still means a win for Biden and America will need to brace for a lot of angry butt hurt trumpers. Dems accepted that Trump won in the electoral college but I don?t see trumpers accepting a Biden popular vote and electoral college one. You guys know democracy is your enemy.
I spend a lot of time on Twitter nowadays and deliberately seek out US conservative views on politics (ie I try to counteract Twitter's expectations of what I prefer seeing and force myself out of a liberal echo chamber). i engage in polite discussion with a lot of questions, and generally don't challenge them on their views for fear of antagonising them. It is very informative.
So the "blue wave" ease to power which many Dem supporters thought was going to characterise this election has been diluted by seeing views from both sides of the fence.
So, thus far, I'm really surprised by Maine's current results, and the other way surprised by Montana. Disappointed by Texas, which I would have guessed was increasingly liberal. In Arizona I wonder if Biden got a boost by McCain's widow coming out for him.
Do I think there will be violence as an outcome of the election? Yes, sadly, I do. If Trump wins, I'm expecting violence in California and Washington DC. If Biden wins, I'm expecting to see violence in places like Michigan.
If Trump wins, I think that the concept of "pollster" needs a serious re-vamp, because that would be two elections in a row where most major polls got it wrong (noting the LA Times in 2016 was the only major poll which picked Trump). FiveThirtyEight has been cagey of late, predicting a Trump win as "plausible" if unlikely.
Who do I think will win? Fuck knows.
But I've got to say, as someone who is living in a tightly locked down region where there has been no community infections for well-over 200 days, the lack of concern n the US about the pandemic and how it is being handled is baffling. How this could ever have become politicised I just don't understand. (The region I live in, Western Australia, is the powerhouse of our national economy and has some high risk remote Aboriginal communities where a covid infection would have decimated them.)
So the "blue wave" ease to power which many Dem supporters thought was going to characterise this election has been diluted by seeing views from both sides of the fence.
So, thus far, I'm really surprised by Maine's current results, and the other way surprised by Montana. Disappointed by Texas, which I would have guessed was increasingly liberal. In Arizona I wonder if Biden got a boost by McCain's widow coming out for him.
The theory on this one--which I'm leaning toward--is California. Liberals who couldn't afford to live under the policies they put in place leave in waves and go to cheaper-to-live states and then proceed to vote in the same policies that motivated them to leave their previous homes in the first place. In which case, the California exodus has seen droves of people head to Texas and Arizona.
Was McCain's wife a factor? Perhaps. But I have a feeling the stated perception of her influence was utilized to justify a flip that the Demmy media already saw coming even though it is, quite frankly, out of left field. People tend to overstate the affect that icons have over the larger culture of a given environment. In my experience, people know how to think on their own regardless of what a single individual says. Besides, she was never that popular.
So the "blue wave" ease to power which many Dem supporters thought was going to characterise this election has been diluted by seeing views from both sides of the fence.
So, thus far, I'm really surprised by Maine's current results, and the other way surprised by Montana. Disappointed by Texas, which I would have guessed was increasingly liberal. In Arizona I wonder if Biden got a boost by McCain's widow coming out for him.
The theory on this one--which I'm leaning toward--is California. Liberals who couldn't afford to live under the policies they put in place leave in waves and go to cheaper-to-live states and then proceed to vote in the same policies that motivated them to leave their previous homes in the first place. In which case, the California exodus has seen droves of people head to Texas and Arizona.
Was McCain's wife a factor? Perhaps. But I have a feeling the stated perception of her influence was utilized to justify a flip that the Demmy media already saw coming even though it is, quite frankly, out of left field. People tend to overstate the affect that icons have over the larger culture of a given environment. In my experience, people know how to think on their own regardless of what a single individual says. Besides, she was never that popular.
Hey P, it has been a while.
I'd really like to see stats on resident traffic to and from California to see if your extremely plausible theory stacks up. (Anecdotally, I know liberal Texans who have moved to California - or moved to Austin.) But, wouldn't the same thinking apply to Florida? There was some discussion somewhere today that Latinos in Florida have different perspectives to Latinos in other Us states, which, frankly, I don't understand (I'm not sure i have ever actually met a Latino person - Australians are generally culturally blind to ethnic US surnames).
NYT shows Biden at 209, Trump at 118. CNN shows Biden 205, Trump at 136. Fox shows Biden at 227, Trump at 210.
Florida is populated by Cubans. But old and young. Some of the young have decided to ignore the stories told to them by Nana and Papa about 'ol Commie Castro, but for the most part they maintain an anti-left culture that repels threats in the form of liberal agendas. Cubans are very contrary to Mexicans and Puerto Ricans.
PA, MI, are saying WC votes are probably not going to finish being "counted" until Friday. It begins.
While this is going on, Trump's lead in GA has slowed....hmmm.
Everyone in my office keeps refreshing their screens every half an hour.
CNN and Fox give Virginia to Biden.
Anyway, the experience I described on Twitter over the past four years makes me wonder about American political culture and the dissolution of polite discourse. So much yelling and trolling and entrenchment of positions. It is hardly unique to US politics - I made a comment on Reddit the other day about how some large, pretty but invasive trees in our city should be chainsawed and I was accused of ecological vandalism. I thanked the person for correcting me on how birds do eat their fruit, and the name-caller was suddenly very contrite. If people are arming up and prepared to violently challenge or protest the election process or outcome, it is because polite society has been eroded by social media. I've come to realise (and always sort of knew) that politeness is a fundamental part of a functional democracy. Everyone has their views on the role of the media (I can't read WaPo anymore because even I think it is ridiculously partisan) but, y'know, people need to start talking, and stop yelling.
When can it be conclusively declared that politeness was always mask for corruption and virtue signalling? You can't have subterfuge without politeness?
I'm starting the think...okay, that's a lie, I've known from the get go...that confusion is the name of the game here. Calls, recalls, conflicting calls, and delays aplenty. They're not trying to avoid violence. They are assuring it.
Trump is so far ahead in Michigan and Wisconsin, that there is scarcely any means Biden could recover. Yet they claim more votes need to be counted. Bullocks.
Trump's lead in PA is massive. True, there's only around 50% in, but it's apparent why they're going to slow this down to a crawl. They're afraid he's going to win.
Oh well, worth a shot on the politeness concept. Silly me. The problem is that Democrat voters are going to think that a Trump win is also a power grab, especially if he calls victory too early. So, the same deep scepticism as you have. Echooooooooo.
While I was eating sushi, Twitter has slapped down the Trump tweet on stolen elections. Well, that bodes well for a peaceful transition, if it comes to that.
So, back from lunch, what do we have... Fox has Minnesota to Biden, CNN and Fox say a Nebraskan split vote 4:1 to Trump. North Carolina looks like a dead heat. NYT says 224:213 in favour of Trump. Fox (who seem to be speedier) say 238:213. Someone in my office said that there are 1m Michigan postal votes to count. I can't find a source backing that. Biden is 300K behind Trump in that state.
Politeness is all well and fine, but not when it's prioritized over correctness.
If the Biden ilk threatens violence if Trump wins, it would certainly be excessively "polite" for Trump to concede solely on those grounds. But.....yeah, people shouldn't be coerced into compromise solely to preserve the opposition's state of mind.
I made a choice early on to skip all of the early coverage and wild speculation, and just looked in for a few minutes at 8 PM and 9 PM.
I actually fell asleep early, and woke up about 12:20 A M, and was surprised to see even FOX News wildly speculating that Biden had won! I was saddened for about 30 minutes, but now slightly over an hour later, I'm seeing that neither candidate has approached 270 yet. And the battleground states that haven't been called yet (most of them with 87% to 94% counted) , are all strongly leaning Trump:
Lets cut to the meat of the matter and eliminate all equivocation in the process: the Democrats do not have hidden voters. They all operate in plain sight on account of their self proclaimed, protected status as "polite society". By that same token, Trump's voters are still vilified and targeted--even killed (see also: Jacob Gardner's "suicide")--when identified by hostile partizans and aggressive insurgents (see also: Antifa, BLM), and thus have a vested interest in remaining hidden even as Trump draws large crowds. Where there's smoke, there's fire...and if those rally sizes constitute smoke, what does that say about the fire?
My only concern is, with mail-in ballots, if Biden has lost by say 10,000 votes on election night, and mail-in ballots can be counted anywhere from 3 to 13 days after the election, some states not even requiring a postmark date, Democrats can manufacture fake ballots, reach into their magic hat and pull out 11,000 mail-in ballots, and pull an Al Franken on us again. Fortunately there's only a few states with rules that lenient (new rules byfiat of judges, right before the election!), but one of those states is crucial Pennsylvania.
I was hoping the election would go so decisively for Trump that it wouldn't matter how many fraudulent ballots the Democrats slipped in the mix. But regardless, by a narrower margin than I would have liked, Trump is still winning.
And it is going to decisively. There's no reason why WI, MI, and PA can't continue to count and further reveal the leads that Trump has maintained. That's why the Demmies have frozen the process in place.
On average, the (Democrat partisan) polls over-sample Democrats as a ratio of voters by about 10% And one poll by CNN/Washington Post showed Wisconsin at -17% for Trump. Trafalgar (the most accurate pollster in 2016, and the only poll to show Trump winning Michigan in 2016) at the same time on Sunday showed Wisconsin at +1 for Trump. That's an 18-point innaccuracy!
The mainstream polls, like the liberal media and social media tech giants, are all part of the Democrat machine to discourage Republican voters. They are nothing more than psychological warfare at this point. And that may have been the case as far back as 1988. Dukakis was going to win by a 17-point margin in 1988. How did that one work out?
Hmm. So Trump was just on TV, saying he won the vote. Pence (who is a career politician and more careful) walked it back and said the GOP was on the road to victory. Pence said that the GOP would remain "vigilant" (as everyone definitely should - Dems on Twitter are going on about LaJoy hiding ballot papers and how he should be arrested).
Trump said he did not want votes being found at 2am in the morning (he plainly means fraudulent votes) and talked about a "fraud" to be resolved in the Supreme Court.
On average, the (Democrat partisan) polls over-sample Democrats as a ratio of voters by about 10% And one poll by CNN/Washington Post showed Wisconsin at -17% for Trump. Trafalgar (the most accurate pollster in 2016, and the only poll to show Trump winning Michigan in 2016) at the same time on Sunday showed Wisconsin at +1 for Trump. That's an 18-point innaccuracy!
The mainstream polls, like the liberal media and social media tech giants, are all part of the Democrat machine to discourage Republican voters. They are nothing more than psychological warfare at this point. And that may have been the case as far back as 1988. Dukakis was going to win by a 17-point margin in 1988. How did that one work out?
Hi Dave
I think pollsters are genuinely meant to be non-partisan. But given the polls said that there would need to be double the margin for error of 2016, something is definitely going wrong with their methodology. FiveThirtyEight (who, remember, said a "plausible Trump" possibility of victory) is going on about how difficult it is to reach people in rural areas. They'll be doing a lot of navel gazing yet again.
By "3%", I'm referring to the threshold that must be observed when playing the game of stacking dummy votes before it becomes noticeable. By comparison, the scale of the primaries is such that a given political party can get away with a rate of 10% fraudulent ballots or, at the very least, "counted" votes before hitting a barrier of explicit fraud (see also: Hillary and Biden stealing primaries in CA and IA). The threshold for a general is 3%, and they must surpass it. They will, of course, launch the same narrative of "look no further" with regards to voter fraud OR they will project blame on the opposition. But this is the first time that they've had to deal with someone who has a vested interest in exposing voter fraud--as opposed to establishment Republicans who've been complicit with Democrats in hiding it.
Going back to the 1960 election, JFK won by voter fraud, unquestionably in Illinois (through his father Joe Kennedy's mafia ties there) and only slightly questionably not fraud in Texas as well (LBJ's political machine).
Nixon could have challenged the outcome, but did not, because he knew it would tear the nation apart. As compared to Al Gore and Hillary and Obama, who have absolutely no problem dividing the country and tanking the stock market for their political gain. Or if not guaranteeing their Democrat gain, at least damaging the unity of the country out of pure spite. If they can't win, they undermine the system. I think it's clear we'll see another round of that Democrat spite for the next week, and probably the next 4 years and beyond.
Trafalgar (the most accurate pollster in 2016, and the only poll to show Trump winning Michigan in 2016) at the same time on Sunday showed Wisconsin at +1 for Trump. That's an 18-point innaccuracy! ?
Yes, I agree that Trafalgar are definitely doing it right. I did read about their polling methodology which distinguished it from others - regrettably, I can't remember what that was.
PA has already stated that the state will not be called today in the interest of insuring 'every vote is accounted for'. NC will likely be in a similar situation. Democrats managed to take advantage of the liberal plant, Justice Roberts, who has allowed them to keep votes flowing into the states three days past the election. Trump will cry fowl--as well he should. As counties that were clearly turned red gradually metamorphasize to blue over a long enough timeline, the rules of the game will be clear cut to everyone. And that spark will risk a conflagration.
Yes. The election after the election. Trump was prepared in advance for this, with his own army of about 600 lawyers, to hopefully contain any dirty tricks attempted by the Democrat lawyers (and Democrat-owned judges). What I like is Trump is under-estimated. A real estate agent I know from New York who knew Trump years before the 2016 election told me that her interactions taught her that Trump always plays to win, and that he doesn't enter any situation he isn't prepared to win. And unlike the sellout Republican establishment, Trump is not averse to playing hardbaall if that's what it takes to win.
So the "blue wave" ease to power which many Dem supporters thought was going to characterise this election has been diluted by seeing views from both sides of the fence.
So, thus far, I'm really surprised by Maine's current results, and the other way surprised by Montana. Disappointed by Texas, which I would have guessed was increasingly liberal. In Arizona I wonder if Biden got a boost by McCain's widow coming out for him.
The theory on this one--which I'm leaning toward--is California. Liberals who couldn't afford to live under the policies they put in place leave in waves and go to cheaper-to-live states and then proceed to vote in the same policies that motivated them to leave their previous homes in the first place. In which case, the California exodus has seen droves of people head to Texas and Arizona.
So perfectly said, Pariah.
Also California immigrants to Colorado and Nevada. The same will happen with the flight of New Yorkers to Florida. Instead of learning their lesson, they continue to vote for the liberal policies that ruined California, and are now slowly ruining the states they moved to and now vote in.
The other factor is hispanic immigration to these states, and particularly to states surrounding the Washington DC area, such as Virginia, Maryland and North Carolina, that over the last 15 years have turned those states from Red to Purple or Blue.
But I've got to say, as someone who is living in a tightly locked down region where there has been no community infections for well-over 200 days, the lack of concern n the US about the pandemic and how it is being handled is baffling. How this could ever have become politicised I just don't understand. (The region I live in, Western Australia, is the powerhouse of our national economy and has some high risk remote Aboriginal communities where a covid infection would have decimated them.)
A side issue from the election discussion, but I want to address it.
I think you make the point that drives Trump's logic, that you are in an enormous lockdown that is crippling Australia's economy, with really minimal effect. As soon as the lockdown ends, for all the economic damage, the cases will immediately spike at the exact point the lockdowns end. It only delays the inevitable. So it is far better to just isolate the elderly and immune-compromised, and let the rest of society function. That is what Governor Ron DeSantis has done in Florida.
The science at this point shows that lockdowns don't work. There's a former New York Times reporter named Alex Berenson who wrote a short book on the subject (that Amazon tried unsuccessfully to suppress from being read). Even if the entire population were to get Covid-19, only about 1% die, and the increase in suicides, drug overdoses, drug and alcohol abuse, domestic abuse and child abuse, not to mention economic damage, demonstrate far more damage from a shutdown than deaths from the disease itself.
And no one in liberal circles seems to want to discuss Sweden and other states, that never had any lockdown, and are now emerging far better than the rest of Europe, approaching herd immunity, with no economic damage. The U.S. offers a unique example, because mostly countries did a nationwide lockdown, whereas President Trump left it to individual states to decide their own Covid policy. I'm lucky to live in Florida, that locked down only the worst hit areas. And while I am in one of the areas that was locked down (Palm Beach County) if I wanted to, I could have still gone to work daily, shopping daily, or gone wherever I wanted without fines or imprissonment. But I chose to comply as much as possible, only going out to buy groceries and visit family occasionally for the most part. I'm lucky to have that ability. Others are starved of income and at risk of eviction or losing their homes if they don't get a weekly check. Not everyone can stay home. And how are we able to stay home and comply? Because tens of millionss of other people still go to work every day, produce and transport our food, deliver our mail, and countless other essentials and luxuries we take for granted.
In the early months, we were dealing with an unknown Covid-19. Now we understand it better, and have many therapies to treat the dangerous inflammatory stage of the illness, and have vastly lowered the death toll. Yes, people still get sick and infections are increasing, but most get well even without treatment, and far fewer are dying because doctors know better how to treat it in the 15% or so of cases where there is risk. Lockdowns no longer make sense.
I'll set aside the herd immunity issue, because the science on it isn't clear (the latest I read is that immunity lasts no longer than three months - no source, sorry), and the disease leads to lasting organ impairment (plenty of sources for that).
But the shutdown does make sense if you're a doctor. It is to do with slowing the spread. Bear in mind we have universal healthcare. If our hospitals are filled to overflowing with Covid patients, then what happens to the people with heart attacks, car accident injuries, strokes, and so on? They die.
My wife is a pathologist who was sceptical about the shutdown. We did the maths. Population: 25m. infections: 27610. Current deaths: 907. That's a 0.033% death rate. Projected deaths if the entire population was infected: 821260. but say only 1/10 people got it. That's only 82126 deaths. Instead, we have had only 907 because of the lockdown. Then add in the deaths from other causes which cannot be treated by the hospital system has broken by a pandemic overload. We only had 60000 soldiers killed in WW1 over four years. 82126+ is a crazy number for one year.
But yes, mental health issues and domestic violence are a very, very big deal, and no one should discount that at all. I don't know the numbers on that. However, that isn't a numbers game. Its a horrible thing. I have no answer to it.
Oh and the Australian economy is doing ok, but mostly because the steel and gold prices have jumped.
"?We see that the situation is heading in the wrong direction - the situation is very serious,? Prime Minister Stefan Lofven told a press conference on Tuesday.... One in five patients receiving intensive care was a COVID-19 patient, added Lena Hallengren, Sweden?s minister of health and social affairs."
See also this Lancet note: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31673-1/fulltext
Back to your regularly scheduled political punch-up.
Lots of Dems on Twitter saying that Trump is trying to commit a coup, because he has claimed victory without a final vote count confirmation nor a concession.
I don't see it that way. Trump is committed to a legal process in the Supreme Court. That's not coup behaviour.
So, the conspiracists are all out hunting this evening.
I don't have many nice things to say about Pence, usually, but I do commend him on his walk back. He is confident, but he said "road to victory" not "victory". That's solid and responsible.
I'd really like to see stats on resident traffic to and from California to see if your extremely plausible theory stacks up. (Anecdotally, I know liberal Texans who have moved to California - or moved to Austin.) But, wouldn't the same thinking apply to Florida? There was some discussion somewhere today that Latinos in Florida have different perspectives to Latinos in other Us states, which, frankly, I don't understand (I'm not sure i have ever actually met a Latino person - Australians are generally culturally blind to ethnic US surnames).
I'll try to give you an answer on those.
California has an exodus out of the state of about 200,000 a year, mostly moving to neigboring Nevada, Arizona, Colorado, Texas, and smaller numbers to Utah and Idaho. They are mostly white and middle or upper class, and they are largely doing so because they are being taxed more heavily in California, and yet have no say in how those burdensome increased taxes are spent, on things like welfare for illegal immigrants, and policies that encourage homeless people setting up tents and pooping in streets of their cities, and the California they grew up in is gone. They feel unsafe, and don't like what their children are being exposed to.
Latinos in Florida at least up until the most recent waves of hispanic immigrants over the last 15 or 20 years, were mostly from Cuba. So they tend to be more conservative, Cubans who fled after Castro seized power in1959 tended to be doctors and lawyers, business owners and other highly paid professionals, among the most educated immigrants to enter the U.S., deeply anti-communist and resistant to anything socialist. From 1961 on, after the failed Bay of Pigs invasion (where an operation prepared under Eisenhower, where the CIA trained thousands of Cuban exiles to invade their own island and depose Castro, let them be the ground troops and the U.S. would provide military air support) JFK once he became president was timid, and with-held the air support for the invasion. So without air support, the Cuban exiles were easily routed, slaughtered or captured. The Cubans in Florida deeply hated JFK and distrusted the Democrats for decades after this.
In recent years, a younger generation of Cuban Americans who never experienced communism, tend to think more like other hispanics, and are more supportive of liberal/socialist/globalist policy. But other large hispanic immigrant groups in the U.S. from places like Venezuela, Nicaragua and other socialist governments they fled in Latin America, are like the old-guard Cuban immigrants, far more resistant to the leftist/socialist policy they fled. Brazilians and Colombians also tend to be business owners and are very entrepreneurial.
Mexicans, and Central Americans tend to come from poverty, and like Democrat-socialist policies much more (Mexicans are about 60% of U.S. hispanics, Central Americans abut 15%, the two largest immigrant groups). They tend to be concentrated in the U.S. Southwest, and in the states around the Washington DC area.
Hispanics as a whole support liberal/socialist policy, and in most electionss hover around 65% Democrat, and about 35% Republican (as do asians, for reasons I don't understand). A rare exception was George W. Bush, who courted the Hispanic vote, and got about 45% of the hispanic vote in his 2004 re-election. Not a majority, but a large enough hispanic minority to win with 51% of the total popular vote. McCain and Romney both saw a large decrease in hispanic support. Trump did slightly better in 2016, and is anticipated to make huge gains in both hispanic and black support in the 2020 election. I'm beginning to see that hispanics have historically not voted Republican because the Republican party wrote them off as impossible to win over, and never even reached out for the hispanic vote. But Trump has made great overtures, in 2016 and even more so in 2020. If Trump were to raise black and hispanic support each by 5 or 10%, combined with the Republican white vote, that alone would create a formidable obstacle to Democrats winning future elections. We'll see what happens.
I was surprised the more I interacted with hispanics in the late 1980's and 1990's and 2000's, that even though hispanics all speak the same language, they're not all one big happy hispanic family. There are a lot of resentments between nationalities. Brazil and Argentina for example, they hate each other, comparable to France and Germany, or between French Quebec and English Canada. South Americans tend to be more university-educated and professional class, whereas Mexicans and Central Americans tend to be less educated and working class. A friend of mine who was an accountant from Bolivia was working a dead-end job, frustrated that all the accounting firms in the South Florida area tended to be Cuban, and wouldn't hire him because of his nationality, despite his being highly qualiied. A Brazilian friend of mine (a gorgeuos gorgeous girl and very sweet, but alas, married!) worked in computer information systems for Direct TV (a Mexican-owned company) and told me for years she was frustrated because they discriminated and didn't promote her because she is Brazilian. She would actually train Mexican men, who would then be promoted and become her supervisors. She eventually had to leave Direct TV to advance her career, and became a private consultant.
Hispanics are about 19% of the U.S. population. And there is some resentment by blacks (who are 13%) because the Democrats increasingly give greater attention to hispanics, as they are the larger up and coming minority in the U.S. Last I looked, asians were about 6%. About 81% of U.S. immigration is from Latin America and the Caribbean, so it will only become even more so a majority minority, expected to be about 25% of U.S. population by 2040. Whites (currently about 67% of U.S. population) will drop below 50% of U.S. population by 2040, perhaps even sooner.
I always found it interesting that a majority of hispanics in the U.S. are "white hispanic" (essentially European racially, but culturally spanish-speaking hispanic). That many I interact with are as white as I am, and yet identify as hispanic. If you were to visit New Jersey or Kansas or most northern U.S. states, you might never meet a hispanic. But Florida is very international, and I meet people from everywhere. Brazil and Argentina, as two examples, are very much like the U.S., in that over 100 years or so they had huge waves of immigrants from places you don't think of as "Latin America" I had an Argentinian female co-worker with the last name Kowalski, which I found very amusing because that doesn't sound hispanic at all. She even joked about it. These nations have a huge mix of ancestors from Spain, Italy, Germany, Poland, France, and eastern European nations. As much a "melting pot" as the U.S.
Everyone in my office keeps refreshing their screens every half an hour.
CNN and Fox give Virginia to Biden.
Anyway, the experience I described on Twitter over the past four years makes me wonder about American political culture and the dissolution of polite discourse. So much yelling and trolling and entrenchment of positions. It is hardly unique to US politics - I made a comment on Reddit the other day about how some large, pretty but invasive trees in our city should be chainsawed and I was accused of ecological vandalism. I thanked the person for correcting me on how birds do eat their fruit, and the name-caller was suddenly very contrite. If people are arming up and prepared to violently challenge or protest the election process or outcome, it is because polite society has been eroded by social media. I've come to realise (and always sort of knew) that politeness is a fundamental part of a functional democracy. Everyone has their views on the role of the media (I can't read WaPo anymore because even I think it is ridiculously partisan) but, y'know, people need to start talking, and stop yelling.
About 2 years ago, Tucker Carlson on his show said that at the Presidential, House and Senate level, the Republicans reach out with civility, but the Democrats constantly respond with partisan bile to try and leverage a scorched-earth win at every turn.
As he put it, Republicans think Democrats have some silly ideas that don't work, and respectfully disagree, but are at least willing to have a dialogue, and reach a compromise. But the Democrats are at total war with Republicans.
At every turn they call us nazis, racist, intolerant, dangerous, portray us as militant with guns (even as they, not us, plot militant revolutions) . They portray Republicans as so extreme that they won't even talk to us or have a political dialogue with us. They portray our political views as hate speech, that they refuse to listen to, and try to have banned from being heard. In university speech forums, at university lectures, at signings in bookstores, they violently attack the guests, or those of an audence there to listen to them. Or if not violent attacks, at least shout chants to prevent conservatives from being heard. Or get events cancelled due to a leftist/Democrat threat of violence against the speaker and those attending. This is very common at university lectures now. They have even attacked Republican political candidates. Two Pensylvania Congress candidates had vandalism to their homes over this past weekend, with threatening messages spray painted on their homes. During the 2018 mid-term, one Republican candidate sitting at a table was punched in the back of the head and knocked unconscious, suffering a concussion. All these attacks are in one direction, not both ways.
I've had friends for years, some of them doctors and Phd's, where I just posted something on Facebook, an article about Benghazi, or about the liberal media narrative about immigrant children in cages, where I actually posted a Factcheck (liberal media) showing that the the cages were built and begun in 2014, that the incendiary photos were taken while Obama was president in 2014, not even in use when Trump was president, but Trump was excoriated for policy not his own. They un-friended me, and blocked their account, so they wouldn't be exposed to facts that would counter the media narrative they chose to believe.
At work, I myself tried to be silent about my political views. I was with a client in 2016, and this girl just ranted on for an hour about how evil Trump was, on and on. I deflected it with humor saying, "Yeah that crazy election..." without disclosing my political views. She kept pushing, I tried to respond acknowleging detachedly that the two parties gave 2 opposing views of the issues. About 45 minutes in, she finally said, "Well pardon me, but... it sounds like you support Trump." To which I finally disclosed: "Well... yeah !" Then she exploded with : "HOW CAN YOU POSSIBLY BLA BLA BLA!" So with my back against the wall, I politely explained that Trump has previously been both a Republican and a Democrat, that he''s been a friend and a fundraiser to both the Reagans and the Clintons, he's an outsider and a pragmatist, who isn't ideologically tethered to either party. He's a pragmantist, a deal-negotiator, a businessman and a reformer who understands economics and international trade, who brings new ideas, and an alternative to the partisan deadlock, and to the corruption that has bred unnecessary wars and huge U.S. deficit spending for decades. Which is also why I previously supported Ross Perot and Ralph Nader. Who offered outside reform to a corrupt system. She was a hippie chick in her late 20's/early 30's, and she actually thanked me (althoiugh questionably sincere, and still visibly annoyed) "for your alternate perspective". A few days later, I found out that she gave me a bad evaluation and said I "forced my political views" on her, and she tried to get me fired. She actually cancelled her membership at our spa (that her parents had bought for her). My boss actually laughed and said it looked to him like she was looking for an excuse to cancel her membership and pocket the money her family paid, but to not disclose my views in the future, to avoid giving someone like that an opening to complain. Frustrated, I explained that I evaded discussing my views for 45 minutes, until she basically DEMANDED that I explain my supporting Trump. And then she complained when I did, tried to get me fired. Although no other punishment, I still had to sign a reprimand form, that there was a complaint and that I'd so been advised. That's my personal experience with the insane Left on the job, where they tried to get me fired. I've had multiple other clients force their views on me . Even though they still force thair angry views on me, I've learned from multiple attempted approaches that the only way to defuse the situation on the job (where I can't just walk away) is to feign complete political indifference and a lack of knowledge of either political side: "Oh really? I didn't know that. I don't follow politics. Yeah I don't know anything about that...politics don't interest me..." That annoys them too, but at least it gives them no basis on which to escalate.
I can see the point of your example though, Australia-Dave, where just being polite in many situations could defuse escalation in many cases, and make them less angry and less confrontational, more willing to have a friendly dialogue.
But there are many cases where the fanaticism is so intense that it's just not possible. My first approach is to be kind to the point that they feel like a jerk if they continue to be so aggressive, and if that doesn't de-escalate it, then as politely as possible just shut it down, whether professionally on the job, or out socially.
There was one girl my own age I was interested in romantically and things were going well after two weeks or so, she was into me, and imminently I was in like Flynn. And I made one comment during our last get-together, in response to a polittical remark she made, where I just expressed I'd be voting for Trump, and again, this girl just suddenly went wild shouting at me. She' been drinking, and became really abusive, I politiely de-escalated it, saying hey, we all have opinions, it's just an opinion,no big deal and tried to laugh it off. But the moment was gone, and I politely left at the first opporrtunity. Maybe it kept me from scoring with a pretty girl, but it manifested she was psycho-angry, with a hair-trigger temper beyond her political views, and I was better off in the long run.
When they're at total war, when they shout you down and won't even listen, when they won't even be tolerant enough to have a dialogue of the facts... what is it possible to discuss?
Since 2016, I run across an alarming number of people like this. I'm willing to have a polite dialogue, but that's something they won't even tolerate.
Lots of Dems on Twitter saying that Trump is trying to commit a coup, because he has claimed victory without a final vote count confirmation nor a concession.
I don't see it that way. Trump is committed to a legal process in the Supreme Court. That's not coup behaviour.
So, the conspiracists are all out hunting this evening.
I don't have many nice things to say about Pence, usually, but I do commend him on his walk back. He is confident, but he said "road to victory" not "victory". That's solid and responsible.
In a nutshell, Democrats are out to sell whatever incendiary narrative will allow their side to win.
Or alternately, to incite violence and riots to punish the winners and blame them for the chaos. Burning down the system, out of pure spite.
Out of curiosity, what do you dislike about Pence? He was a competent governor, and is a very sincere and respectful guy, who chooses his words much more carefully than Trump. Granted, he's not Mr. Excitement. He's kind of the "non-Trump" straight man, in contrast to Trump's no-holds-barred ostentatious approach. The only area I've ever herd hostility toward Pence is in regard to his views on gays as governor, which are essentially the views of conservative Christians in general.
and in the Biden column Wisconson (51.2% Trump, 88% counted).................................10 Nevada (47.6% Trump, 67% counted)........................................6
Granted these are very narrow margins and could change. But if the current count remains, it would end up:
Pence is basically a henchman for Trump. As Trump lies Pence calls him great. Michigan and Wisconsin tightening up as votes continue to be counted.
You mean, as Democrats stall and try to find ways to inject fraudulent ballots, to steal the election?
And I didn't see any facts there about Pence, just insults and insinuations. And about Trump as well. Trump has kept more promises than any president in our lifetimes. Over and over, your side propagandizes, accusing him of lies, without makign a valid case for that. You know, a lie, like when Biden says he never said he's ban fracking and fossil feuls, and you can easily pull up the video and see that he actually did. Or Obama's "Not a smidgen of corruption" in his administration (except for "fast and furious", Lois Lerner and the IRS scandal, Sally Yates' Jan 5 2017 memo about Biden leading the charge to frame and indict Michael Flynn, on and on. Or Obama's "If you like your health plan you can keep your health plan." (Politifact's selected Lie of the Year.
And Trump's nomination for an incredible four Nobel Peace prizes as well, in just the last 2 months. Plus the best economy in 50 years. And the lowest unemployment numbers recorded for blacks, hispanics, women, and people under 25. Plus re-negotiate trade agreementss with just about every nation the U.S. trades with. Securing the southern border. Building 400 miles of new wall on the Southern border.
With Trump achieving all this, and more, I don't see where he needs to lie.
Worship your lying turd all you want while you hate anyone not drinking the kool aid. Biased accusations of voter fraud doesn?t constitute reality. Most of the votes left are probably mail in votes with a very real chance of changing count totals. That is a fact.
I would add it?s disgusting but not unexpected that trump declared victory and called for a halt to the vote counting.
It's disgusting that Democrat states ceased the vote counting with open ballots on the table, and we're supposed to believe they just left the room and no one came in and tampered with them, to magically create a new count that favors Biden.
An Al Franken styled victory, all over again.
I just cited how Trump gets to 280. and I already cited Wisconsin as currently in the Biden column (which could change).
Nevada announced they will "set aside" vote-counting for today, and resume vote counting on Thursday. WHAT?!?!?!!
And I showed how Biden gets to 270 even if he loses Pennsylvania. Trump shouldn?t have declared victory when it?s very clear that a lot of vote by mail hasn?t been counted yet.
Worship your lying turd all you want while you hate anyone not drinking the kool aid. Biased accusations of voter fraud doesn?t constitute reality. Most of the votes left are probably mail in votes with a very real chance of changing count totals. That is a fact.
I didn't see any supporting examples or facts to give any validity to your obnoxiouss comments.
A man with Trump's achievements deserves much better than "turd". His remarkable accomplishments are quantifiable, not Kool-aid. It's the marxist propagandists in your party who are serving thr cyanide-laced Kool-Aid. A Biden-Harris presidency would truly be national suicide. I've cited many times what they openly plan to do. They would cripple this country, PERMANENTLY, in the name of political correctness.
Biased opinion by rabid radical republican, whatever. Lots of legal votes that haven?t been counted. Trump wants to stop the counting. That isn?t constitutional and about as undemocratic as you can get. That is a turd being the biggest stinkiest turd it can be.
And I showed how Biden gets to 270 even if he loses Pennsylvania. Trump shouldn?t have declared victory when it?s very clear that a lot of vote by mail hasn?t been counted yet.
A lot of fraudulent votes Dems have stacked in a back room, to pull out of a magic hat, Al Franken-style. Trump is currently ahead in 4 of the 6 un-called states. As I cited the exact numbers for above.
and in the Biden column Wisconson (48.6% Trump, vs 48.9% Biden, 99% counted)......10 Nevada (48.6% Trump, vs 49.2% Biden, 75% counted)............6
Granted these are very narrow margins and could change. But if the current count remains, it would end up: TRUMP 280 BIDEN 254
Trump is not doing anything inappropriate to say that at present he is winning, and to warn against the clearly intended foul play that Democrats are scheming. Trump won't be like Richard Nixon in 1960, won't just step aside when Democrats try to fake ballots to rig a win.
Again losers yelling fraud was to be expected. Democracy is your enemy
The fraud is absolutely verified in the 1960 election of JFK.
The attempted fraud is clear in the 2000 election, where your side, rather than recounting all counties in Florida, tried to only recount the areas where they could pick up votes, and attempted to exclude absentee military votes which consistently favor Republicans, and therefore would favor W. Bush.
Your side cheated every whichway they could in the 2016 election, including using FBI and DOJ and CIA to spy on the Trump campaign, embed the campaign with moles, sabatoge the FBI Hillary Clinton e-mails investigation, and set perjury traps and other falsified evidence for Michael Flynn, George Pappadapoulos, Roger Stone, and others. And would have done the same to Flynn's deputy assistant director K.T. McFarland, except unlike her supervisor Flynn, she had a very good lawyer who blocked the FBI's attempt to set a perjury trap for her.
And now in 2020, your side is again trying every dirty trick to win. Changing the rules at the last minute, and setting aside open ballots on a table, to be counted later. And we're just supposed to trust the dirty players in your party, scout's honor, that they won't tamper with the ballots. When they've pulled ever dirty trick, and broken every law they could, FOR YEARS, leading up to this point. No frigging way. What happened with the DEMOCRAT Broward country elections supervisor in 2016? Clear tampering, and yet she was aallowed to retire with a full pension, with no consequentces. The Democrat way, rewarding faailure, and often promoting those who failed (Bruce Ohr, another prime example).
Cheating Democrat bastards who break consistently change the rules and protocal to stage an unlawful win, THAT is our enemy.
Will you be upset if lying turd trump wants to do recounts ala Frankenstein? Lol
That didn't even make sense.
Yoiu cheer on Biden, an incompetent and treasonous criminal, who is at this point incapable of being president. It strains belief that even your party could be such morons.
What can I say, you have ?trump values? that don?t reflect my traditional Christian values. I think we?re on track to Biden winning the electoral college!
I would add it's disgusting but not unexpected that trump declared victory and called for a halt to the vote counting.
The Biden campaign a few minutes ago (it was an audio message, a female voice, I believe it was Biden's campaign manager) now released their own statement, making their own "discgusting" victory declaration. But I'm sure you only find it unsavory when said by Trump, and don't hold your side to the same standard.
Trump made his statement to pre-emptively criticize and bring awareness of planned Democrat voter fraud, and making his supporters and evryone else in the country aware of and on alert for fraud, hopefully deter Democrat fraud.
What can I say, you have "trump values"? that don't reflect my traditional Christian values. I think we?re on track to Biden winning the electoral college!
Well, glad you've appointed yourself able to do what the experts haven't. They're saying the election may not be called for several days, and that it still could go either way.
It helps that Trump is ready to be president on day one, and has quantifiably done so exceptionally for four years. Whereas Biden isn't coherent and reliable enough to even come out and make a statement, and therefore his campaign manager came out to do so. It's absolutely terrifying that Biden, who generally ends his day around 10 AM because the slighteest speech interaction exhaiusts him. That anyone would vote for this guy and trust him to deal with Putin, or deal with Xi in China, or deal with the Iranians. If Biden were to become president, he would immediately re-insstate the Iran nuclear deal, and the Iranians would be slapping each other high-fives at how stupid the americans are, and that they would now be guaranteed to optain nuclear weapons in les than 10 years, with absolutely no fear of U.S. retaliation against any rogue actions by Iran. Likewise China. Likewise Russia. Likewise North Korea.
The pollsters have been way off in predicting an easy landslide for Biden. At the very least it's very close, and could still go Trump's way. It's either side's to win at this point.
"Hmm... Biden gets an infusion of 138,339 votes, but nobody else gets one?"
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"Basically in Wisconsin they dumped 138k votes at 4:00 AM that broke almost 100% Biden. This is mathematically impossible.
If this stands the country is lost because it?s in your face"
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"So while everyone was asleep and after everyone went home, Democrats in Michigan magically found a trove of 138,339 votes, and all 138,339 of those "votes" magically went to Biden? That doesn't look suspicious at all."
There was also a tweet earlier stating that the amount of votes processed in Wisconsin had exceeded the amount of registered voters. There's currently some confusion on whether or not that's correct. But what IS concrete is that the voter turnout for Wisconsin at or about 95%. Unprecedented doesn't even begin to describe that. It is IM-FUCKING-POSSIBLE.
"the most extensive and inclusive voter fraud organization in the history of American politics"
This entire situation is a mixed blessing. It's nightmarish. But like I said in the OP, Demmy's have been getting away with it for decades, and now they've encountered someone who won't stand for it. If this continues on. I don't only want the truth of the Presidential Election exposed. I want the ballots all over the country audited to see how much fire is reflective of this smoke.
Isn't it interesting how around 2:30 AM last night, Trump was winning by good margins in 5 of the 6 states in contest.
By 6 AM, that was down to 4 of 6. By 11 AM, it was down to 3 of 6.
By the oddest coincidence, in every contested state, with each new update, Biden's margin increases, and Trump's margin decreases. In every single state. That rather defies probability, doesn't it? Democrats are the unchallenged masters of rigging elections. But with Trump and his 600 lawyers, that is about to change. Republican House minority leader McCarthy said what I didd, that Trump should rightly have won with 280, before the manufactured fake ballots started pouring in. Arizona was also falsely called too soon, and that is being challenged as well.
Again, the Al Franken model of how to steal an election.
Hmm. Well, it seems a lot happened while I slept and votes got counted.
Arizona is back in the running. FiveThirtyEight calls it "likely Biden". But it turns out the GOP in Arizona uses mail ballots! Whoda thunk it?
ABC is calling Michigan for Biden.
I see Pariah is noting that Trump predicted the 3am sneaky ballots. i expect that will get sorted out in a court, just like Bush v Gore. But doing the rounds of Twitter is Bernie Sanders' uncanny (or perhaps just realistic) prediction of how Trump and Trump supporters would behave when Dem late ballots carried Biden over the line:
Isn't it interesting how around 2:30 AM last night, Trump was winning by good margins in 5 of the 6 states in contest.
By 6 AM, that was down to 4 of 6. By 11 AM, it was down to 3 of 6.
By the oddest coincidence, in every contested state, with each new update, Biden's margin increases, and Trump's margin decreases. In every single state. That rather defies probability, doesn't it? Democrats are the unchallenged masters of rigging elections. But with Trump and his 600 lawyers, that is about to change. Republican House minority leader McCarthy said what I didd, that Trump should rightly have won with 280, before the manufactured fake ballots started pouring in. Arizona was also falsely called too soon, and that is being challenged as well.
Again, the Al Franken model of how to steal an election.
It doesn't defy probability Dave. in fact, it was repeatedly predicted. And check out Pariah's very first post on this thread - his use of the term the "red mirage". That's what we got.
"About four in 10 registered voters plan to cast their ballot by mail-in voting (or have already done so), according to a Pew Research survey.
Supporters of Democratic candidate Joe Biden overwhelmingly favor mail-in voting when compared to Trump supporters.
Of the registered voters who plan to cast their ballot, 51% of Biden supporters say they will vote by mail, whereas 39% of Trump supporters said they will do the same. An estimated 50% of Trump supporters will vote in person on Election Day, whereas only 20% of Biden supporters plan to do the same."
Thirty-seven percent of registered voters said they are likely to vote by mail in the November election, by receiving a mailed ballot and either mailing it back or returning it in person, according to a new survey released Tuesday by the Democracy Fund + UCLA Nationscape project.
Among them, 48% of voters who plan to vote for Democratic presumptive nominee Joe Biden said they are likely to vote by mail, according to the survey. That's more than twice the 23% of voters backing President Donald Trump who said they are likely to vote by mail.
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On election counts and recounts, its a shame the search function on this message board doesn't work anymore. Otherwise, I'd be digging up comments from each of you about Gore's outrageousness in disputing Florida's election outcome in 2000. Oh well, everyone is entitled to change their minds twenty years later.
Anyway, I think everyone should be (not necessarily will be) happy to have this settled by the Supreme Court. Trump needs to argue that Michigan's rule on a "reasonable possibility of success" in winning the election justifies a recount. I think he doesn't have much hope of that argument given the margin, but I personally wouldn't mind it for the sake of the American polity.
Oh, and look at what Fox is reporting: "The Trump campaign has filed a lawsuit to stop ballot counts in the still-undecided state of Georgia, Fox News chief White House correspondent John Roberts reported. The filing follows similar moves in Michigan and Pennsylvania." Can't think what the basis of that is. A scrutinised recount, sure. But stopping the count?
Oh, I see: "The lawsuit alleges that a Republican observer watched a poll worker take unprocessed absentee ballots from a back room and mix them into processed absentee ballots waiting to be tabulated." So this is a law suit against the county, not the entire state. That doesn't seem to be an unreasonable cause of action.
As a progressive and feminist, I think that's great news. Of course women can be conservative, and they should properly have a place in the legislature.
But look. Dem supporters are surprised that they didn't get a landslide and want LeJoy arrested in Florida for vote tampering. GOP supporters think the election is being stolen because of voting irregularities. No one is going to be happy either way. Gore did the right thing back in 2000 by disagreeing with the Supreme Court, having further options to pursue, but standing down. Let's see if either candidate is prepared to do that here. Doubt it.
My best guess at this point? A lot of memes with Trump's face and "You're fired!" underneath them.
It doesn't defy probability Dave. in fact, it was repeatedly predicted. And check out Pariah's very first post on this thread - his use of the term the "red mirage". That's what we got.
Haha!
I don't think you missed the sarcasm. But you walked into it anyway, Dave. Congrats.
Silly lad. I know you used it sarcastically. But it is the concept which is important. You dismissed it out of hand. It has ended up being real enough to be litigated.
Silly lad. I know you used it sarcastically. But it is the concept which is important. You dismissed it out of hand. It has ended up being real enough to be litigated.
....What?
Are you saying the intentional being the Red Mirage via the media is litigation worthy qua existence?
OR
The the concept itself is objectively real and that Trump is fighting said concept for that reason?
a. "Red Mirage" means the premature conclusion that early counted votes mean a decisive GOP win; b. The rise in Dem votes through postal ballot count has apparently shocked the GOP; c. The GOP is litigating with the objective of restoring the outcome which manifested as the Red Mirage.
I've got to say I've shifted my views on Fox's reporting, at least on its website. The opinion pieces are partisan, and the audience comments on articles are racist and appalling, but the reporting is pretty solid. I had a good chuckle over Hannity's logo. He thinks he's Superman! Kind of interesting to see TV shows about people who wear cowboy hats and like Nascar. In the South, I've only been to Atlanta and Austin and didn't see any of that.
Say whatever you like about Trump, but isn't Eric Trump a waste of space? Eric copped a serve on the Fox website from a conservative audience member about being out of his league when he tried to claim Pa. in a tweet, and a surprisingly large number of people agreed with the comment. DT Jr is on the other hand occasionally articulate, notwithstanding that major slip in the interview with Vanity Fair about New Yorkers getting what they deserved through pandemic deaths which the Lincoln Project turned into a billboard in Times Square. Ivanka I don't really have an opinion on. Although she should stop being a spokesperson for tinned ham. I feel sorry for Barron. I wonder where he will end up.
Dave, I've seen your long posts, and appreciate that some effort and heart went into both of them. I'll address them when I have a spare moment.
a. "Red Mirage" means the premature conclusion that early counted votes mean a decisive GOP win; b. The rise in Dem votes through postal ballot count has apparently shocked the GOP; c. The GOP is litigating with the objective of restoring the outcome which manifested as the Red Mirage.
...Is circular reasoning now encouraged in the court room?
The rate of progression in the vote totals was red prior to the states freezing the system(s), therefore it must necessarily qualify as a Red Mirage...I feel dirty just sounding out the reasoning.
We don't have to rely on news organizations to observe the voting tallies over time. We can observe them using our own common sense without specious conceptualizations given cultural prevalence by private organizations operating under a banner of authority that was never actually given to them.
At the risk of you rage-quitting the board for another four years, should I post the picture of Plato's Cave again?
Originally Posted by First Amongst Daves
I've got to say I've shifted my views on Fox's reporting, at least on its website.
Yeah, people tend to like what they say when they find their projections palatable.
I don't think I've paid attention to mainstream news for, at least, seven years.
Will you be upset if lying turd trump wants to do recounts ala Frankenstein? Lol
Recounting isn't the same as manufacturing.
Of course. Everyone put their guns away and be patient.
Agreed but just making politically motivated accusations just shows butt hurt and a lack of principle. It?s what trumpers do. If a vote isn?t going their way it?s fraud. No proof needed.
Couldn?t imagine what you guys would do if a democrat just won electorally while losing the popular vote with a foreign country trying to help them.
Lefty insurgencies rape, riot, pillage, and murder for the past five months and some change, and yet the lefty true believer lectures the right on not being violent....
Lefty insurgencies rape, riot, pillage, and murder for the past five months and some change, and yet the lefty true believer lectures the right on not being violent....
a. "Red Mirage" means the premature conclusion that early counted votes mean a decisive GOP win; b. The rise in Dem votes through postal ballot count has apparently shocked the GOP; c. The GOP is litigating with the objective of restoring the outcome which manifested as the Red Mirage.
...Is circular reasoning now encouraged in the court room?
The rate of progression in the vote totals was red prior to the states freezing the system(s), therefore it must necessarily qualify as a Red Mirage...I feel dirty just sounding out the reasoning.
We don't have to rely on news organizations to observe the voting tallies over time. We can observe them using our own common sense without specious conceptualizations given cultural prevalence by private organizations operating under a banner of authority that was never actually given to them.
At the risk of you rage-quitting the board for another four years, should I post the picture of Plato's Cave again?
Originally Posted by First Amongst Daves
I've got to say I've shifted my views on Fox's reporting, at least on its website.
Yeah, people tend to like what they say when they find their projections palatable.
I don't think I've paid attention to mainstream news for, at least, seven years.
Water, meet duck's back. I engage in battles of wit with much more snide people than you on a daily basis.
It has been really interesting watching you over the past 20 years shift from a fairly reasonable libertarian to a pugnacious far right winger. With that shift came a complete loss of your sense of humour. I don't say that to barb you. I note it with no joy at all. I guess you're a case study for how a lot of Americans polarised their political views during that period.
The nature of disputes generally is that two people see a coin from different sides. It is still a coin, but each side looks different. It is educational and a good recalibration of perspective to try and see the other side of the coin. I'm not sure which echo chamber occupies your time nowadays, if you haven't bothered with the other side of the argument for seven years. But it sure seems to have cemented your world view.
Anyhoo... looks like Arizona is back in the pot. And look at Georgia! "Overnight Donald Trump was ahead in the state by 372,000 votes. Now his lead is just over 31,000."
I'm not attempting to be snide, Dave. Your approach to this just literally blows my mind. Did I charge right out the gate to attack you? No. Think about that for a moment.
There's no way for me to say this without it being construed as reductive or inflammatory from certain angles, but...What your saying insults my intelligence.
The numbers are right there in front of US. The suspicious spikes that occurred in the dark are documented for US to analyze. Yet it is your position that any interpretation we are even allowed to make must be filtered through the lens of media organizations with behind-the-scenes agendas far removed from our purview. That's ludicrous. You are outright saying we should flip our common sense switches to "off".
We traded words regarding this very topic four years. I said that your outside analysis of the sociopolitical situation hamstrung your ability to see that Trump had a great advantage despite media flourish. You immediately blew me off. But I was right.
And now, what's happening? Your blowing me off again in favor of an uroboros strategy. Using the Overton Window as a shield against the very perception that the Red Mirage is a construction designed to keep people from the truth.
You say I haven't looked at the other side? Have you? From where I'm standing, you haven't changed at all.
(You'll adopt an ad hominem argument - "lens of media organizations with behind-the-scenes agendas far removed from our purview" also known as, "That's fake news". For those reading this not across Latin, "ad hominem" is the idea that you play the man not the ball. You attack the source, and not the substance of what the source is saying. It appears to be a fundamental principle for Trump supporters - "fake news!". But, let's set that aside because we plainly don't have a lot of common ground - some, but not a lot - on that.)
"We are not finding ballots," Julietta Henry, director of elections for Milwaukee County, told PolitiFact. "Ballots are being counted."
I understand that your "common sense" argument presupposes evenly split mail votes: that, statistically, as a matter of common sense, 50% should be GOP, 50% should be Dem: that is is counterintuitive beyond belief to think that the split in mail votes should so overwhelmingly favour Biden, and so that is "suspicious" or fraudulent. It doesn't pass the sniff test. That's how I understand the essence of your argument. Feel free to correct me.
But an even split isn't supported by demographics and geography. That article notes that that particular surge came from vote counts concluding in Milwaukee. Milwaukee (which I only know otherwise from Laverne and Shirley) has always been a Democrat stronghold.
Trump was ahead by 100000 votes. Then there were 170000 mail ballots. It shifted Biden's vote up by less than a percentage ahead of Trump.
You know about Occam's Razor. That, for those who don't know about it, is the idea of finding the least complicated answer to a question. Who killed Abraham Lincoln? Well, it wasn't a global 19th century Illuminati conspiracy. it was the John Wilkes Booth, with the gun, in the theatre. Occam's Razor says that's the easiest answer to the question of who killed Lincoln.
So here, why did the ballots cause the number to Biden to jump overnight? Was it crafty Democrats, operating en masse without being found out, having corrupted electoral officials, stuffing up ballot boxes, avoiding the scrutiny of GOP observers by asking them to stand a few feet away? Or is it that Milwaukee's mail votes were counted in full and reported in full? Occam's Razor says it is the latter.
And, yes, of course let there be a recount. I strongly advocate that because the process should be beyond reproach. Or at least beyond reasonable suspicion.
And, as I noted, it goes the other way. Arizona is starting to lean Trump's way because of the vagaries of the Arizona GOP, who tend to use absentee ballots. someone on Twitter has noted that GOP supporters are trying to storm counting offices in Michigan, and are publicly protesting that all absentee votes be counted in Arizona. No to the first, and of course yes to the second.
I'm not on top of the news this afternoon, but I understand Trump is talking openly about going to the Supreme Court to get counting to stop. Which, if it is that simple, doesn't seem like a respectable cause of action.
I think Pariah knows Dave. It just suits his wants to cry voter fraud along with the rest of the trumpsters. Anything is acceptable in an attempt to hold onto power for them.
When being done correctly is defined as Trump winning. You would be pissing yourself if a democrat was doing the stuff trump is doing.
The act of ?finding votes? veers from coincidence to strange when it happens repeatedly and overwhelmingly in one direction. Any sentient person would find it bizarre.
all but one have Trump leading by a good margin, well over 50% in most cases.
Currently it's Trump 213 and Biden 238.
...and since then questionable vote counting has eroded Trump's majority in every one of those states, even the ones where he still leads, in half the states manufacturing a majority for Biden.
Why be suspicious? Visible to the public are elections supervisors who have expressed their vitriolic hatred for Trump in advance of the election. Postal workers who have thrown away ballots for Trump, postal workers who have falsely stamped ballots AFTER Nov 3 with a hand-stamped "Nov 3rd 2020" date (exposed by Project Veritas), a postal service completely dominated by a rabidly pro-Democrat public union (like the Teachers Union, like the IRS, like the FBI, like the State Department), and very recent past arrests and convictions of postal employees and supervisors for election fraud.
We have Democrat election supervisors who again have very recently been caught tampering with ballots, in Philadelphia, and in Dade and Broward counties in Florida, as just a few examples. We have election supervisors in Philadelphia and in Nevada who have obstructed monitors from being able to observe of ballot counting, forcing monitors to stand at least 30 feet away where they can't really observe signature matching, and election staff even put up cardboard in the windows so monitors could not observe at all. And even so, monitors could still observe election staff slip batches of unsecured/unprocessed ballots secretly in with the processed ballots.
In all these cases, there are blatant and proven examples of deliberate election fraud, and yet the Democrat/Left side acts as if it's wild conspiracy theory when Republicans express concern and suspicion about the integrity of ballots, when there absolutely is legitimate concern, and in many cases evidence, of election fraud.
In Philadelphia and in broader Pennsylvania, elections supervisors say there are many more uncounted mail-in ballots, BUT THEY WON'T SAY HOW MANY MORE THERE ARE. So that if Biden is losing, they can whip another frew thousand falsified ballots out of a magic hat, to put Biden ahead in the end? There is evidence of multiple corrupted parts of the ballot "chain-of-custody" that seem hell-bent in that direction. And the frustration is, we knew in advance this is what they would do, and here it is happening right in front of us.
M E M and the Democrats like to boast about how they won the popular vote in 2016.
And are again boasting the same of Biden in 2020. But I argue that the evidence is that the number of fraudulent Democrat votes in 2016 far exceeded Hillary Clinton's 2.8 million-vote "winning" of the popular vote. The number of fraudulent votes in California alone could probably account for that margin, between dead people voting, people voting at 2 or more locations, ballot harvesting, and illegal immigrants with CA driver licenses falsely checking a box saying they are U.S. citizens on their driver license application to get a voter ID (that no one ever checks to verify if they are actual U.S. citizens and able to vote.)
In a previous More voter fraud by Democrats topic, True The Vote watchdog group in just 28 of the 50 states found 6.8 million illegal voters. Mona Charen detailed that well.
I've frequently mentioned "Cloward and Piven strategy", first introduced by the two so-named leftist college professors in a published plan in 1965, a Cultural Marxist plan to basically overwhem the system, to deliberately cause the system to collapse, and amid the chaos of the collapse, leftists can implement radical marxist reforms and redistribution of wealth under cover of the chaos. As applied to an election, you can, say, overwhelm the system with 3 million illegal votes. And if 90% of those are intercepted and prevented, you still manage to slip 300,000 illegal votes in, amid the massive fraud.
After the 2012 election, Dan Heninger of the Wall Street Journal said that the 2012 victory was narrow enough that the election could have been turned for Obama with just 300,000 votes in a few key districts. And even back in 2008 and 2012, the evidence was there were much more illegal votes than that. 7 million fraudulent votes, in just 28 states investigated. And the Democrats make sure there is no enforcement to prevent it, because it their network of fraud! And no legal penalty, even if caught.
My greatest fear in the months leading up to election night was that Trump would win on election night, and then have the victory snatche away from him in the days or weeks after the election. That is exactly what is happening.
(You'll adopt an ad hominem argument - "lens of media organizations with behind-the-scenes agendas far removed from our purview" also known as, "That's fake news". For those reading this not across Latin, "ad hominem" is the idea that you play the man not the ball. You attack the source, and not the substance of what the source is saying. It appears to be a fundamental principle for Trump supporters - "fake news!". But, let's set that aside because we plainly don't have a lot of common ground - some, but not a lot - on that.)
Phew. And I was afraid I was going to be reductive. The irony here is that the lefty paradigm is the source of the "fake news" label and was later appropriated by Trump to combat their narrative--and the narrative is exactly what I'm attacking. The source is just a casualty of war if you wish. In which case, criticizing the source of the phenomenon that seeks to centralize public perception in an effort to conduct and control the premises of discussion is not ad hominem. Pointing out the Baudrillardian nature of corporate news broadcasts as a hyper reality, into which we are supposed to be assimilated, is just a statement of fact. And incidentally, I don't much care for the Simulacra.
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"We are not finding ballots," Julietta Henry, director of elections for Milwaukee County, told PolitiFact. "Ballots are being counted."
I understand that your "common sense" argument presupposes evenly split mail votes: that, statistically, as a matter of common sense, 50% should be GOP, 50% should be Dem: that is is counterintuitive beyond belief to think that the split in mail votes should so overwhelmingly favour Biden, and so that is "suspicious" or fraudulent. It doesn't pass the sniff test. That's how I understand the essence of your argument. Feel free to correct me.
But an even split isn't supported by demographics and geography. That article notes that that particular surge came from vote counts concluding in Milwaukee. Milwaukee (which I only know otherwise from Laverne and Shirley) has always been a Democrat stronghold.
Trump was ahead by 100000 votes. Then there were 170000 mail ballots. It shifted Biden's vote up by less than a percentage ahead of Trump.
Now we know what "flattening the curve" really meant.
Not 50/50. A mixture. Trump has support in Milwaukee. His support in New York increased for crying out loud. And yet we are to believe that a box of votes was found that ONLY had ballots for Biden, and not Trump or Jorgenson, solely on the virtue of the media's ability to explain it within a given set of parameters that leave out fraud. Those graphs constitute a statistical impossibility that warrant investigation. Not a head nod with the media. Especially when observed in preponderance with these developments:
"Between 3:30-4:30AM, they ? found? 140,000 mail in ballots for Biden in Wisconsin.
Between 3:30-5:00AM, they ? found? 200,000 mail in ballots for Biden in Michigan.
Between 2:00-4:00AM, they ? found? 1,000,000 mail in ballots in Pennsylvania."
They are relying on the incredulity surrounding the concept of voter fraud or media misdirection to ignore any instances of it on the virtue that they've spent so long constructing a narrative saying it's not possible--even as its going on right in front of our eyes.
Seriously, 89% "turnout" is 'what-the-flying motherfuck-is-this-fuckery!?!" territory.
I called it in the first post:
Originally Posted by Pariah
Democrats managed to take advantage of the liberal plant, Justice Roberts, who has allowed them to keep votes flowing into the states three days past the election. Trump will cry fowl--as well he should. As counties that were clearly turned red gradually metamorphasize to blue over a long enough timeline, the rules of the game will be clear cut to everyone. And that spark will risk a conflagration.
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You know about Occam's Razor. That, for those who don't know about it, is the idea of finding the least complicated answer to a question. Who killed Abraham Lincoln? Well, it wasn't a global 19th century Illuminati conspiracy. it was the John Wilkes Booth, with the gun, in the theatre. Occam's Razor says that's the easiest answer to the question of who killed Lincoln.
So here, why did the ballots cause the number to Biden to jump overnight? Was it crafty Democrats, operating en masse without being found out, having corrupted electoral officials, stuffing up ballot boxes, avoiding the scrutiny of GOP observers by asking them to stand a few feet away? Or is it that Milwaukee's mail votes were counted in full and reported in full? Occam's Razor says it is the latter.
The simplest explanation is oft times the most correct. I'm not certain if "easiest" is interchangeable.
Motives for implementation of a plan are simple. Results of a plan's execution are simple. But plans themselves are complex.
You can't use Occam's Razor to identify the simplicity of the result to avoid the complexity of the apparent plan, which identifies a motive in turn.
If anything, Occam's Razor speaks against your contention on account of the complexity of explaining how a batch of votes exclusively goes to one person without even a handful to anyone else.
To break it down into simpler terms - MOTIVE: Get Biden into office at all costs. PLAN: Employ voter fraud. RESULT: Biden gets into office.
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And, yes, of course let there be a recount. I strongly advocate that because the process should be beyond reproach. Or at least beyond reasonable suspicion.
And, as I noted, it goes the other way. Arizona is starting to lean Trump's way because of the vagaries of the Arizona GOP, who tend to use absentee ballots. someone on Twitter has noted that GOP supporters are trying to storm counting offices in Michigan, and are publicly protesting that all absentee votes be counted in Arizona. No to the first, and of course yes to the second.
Why would you say no to the first? Ballot watching is not only legal but also a means to keep the ballot tabulating process beyond reasonable suspicion.
Philadelphia and Detroit have not only expelled ballot watchers using intimidation tactics (because they certainly don't have the authority), but they've actually cordoned them off a certain distance from the building. Highly illegal and suspicious behavior.
Quite the contrast between Biden and trump. Biden is being very much the statesman while trump is acting like a loser. Biden projects calm while Trump is trying to incite his base. Unfit to the end.
They were always there Pariah, Trump said way before the election it was either a case of him winning or he would run with the voter fraud allegations.
So, Pariah. Assume Biden gets his 270. Trump is compelled by the National Guard to leave the White House (which I recall was the fallback for Nixon if he didn't leave). Time to mount up, with machine guns, to overthrow a tyrant?
What if Trump is then arrested for his obstruction of justice in the Mueller investigation?
So, Pariah. Assume Biden gets his 270. Trump is compelled by the National Guard to leave the White House (which I recall was the fallback for Nixon if he didn't leave). Time to mount up, with machine guns, to overthrow a tyrant?
What if Trump is then arrested for his obstruction of justice in the Mueller investigation?
You're ex-Army, right? What do you do?
I'm not, nor was I ever, in the Guard. Active Duty is federal, and operates on different rules.
Quite the contrast between Biden and trump. Biden is being very much the statesman while trump is acting like a loser. Biden projects calm while Trump is trying to incite his base. Unfit to the end.
Biden is an Alzeimers patient, who can barely remember his own name.
Anything that is said by Biden is a carefully rehearsed statement, written by his puppetmasters. He is completely unfit to lead the country, and during the campaign would usually end his day by 10 AM, or call a "lid" ( a day off, no appointments) for the entire day in advance. He is absolutely incapable of taking a 3 AM phone call to deal with a military crisis with Russia, China, Iran or North Korea. It's terrifying.
The only way Biden is gaining in the vote counting is by major tampering with the ballots. In multiple states, vote monitors have been prevented from observing the ballot processing, at precisely the time Biden "miraculously" jumped ahead. There is ABSOLUTELY NO WAY Biden logically overcame the margins of victory Trump had in these states, and the sudden jumps thinning those margins is precisely explained by all the observed methods of tampering I've cited, that have been evidenced at every stage of the "chain of custody" and counting of these mail-in ballots.
We already know some of the elections supervisors have posted vitriolic hatred of Trump on facebook and Twitter, we know that many of the elections vote counters are wearing "BIDEN 2020" clothing and hats, clear partisans. And unprecedented, the first time in election history, in multiple states, vote-counting observers have been obstructed from viewing the vote-processing, or not permitted to enter the vote-counting facility at all. At every stage, this adds up to vote tampering, and coincides with huge jumps in vote gains for Biden. Vote counters in multiple states claim to have videotaped thousands of witnessed examples of vote tampering.
Newt Gingrich on Hannity last night said it well, that the only way to eliminate the corruption is to throw out the tainted votes, to only officially count the votes counted up until observing the vote counting was prevented (i.e., throw out everything counted after about 2 AM election night). Trump was winning by good margins in 5 of the 6 contested states. Clearly that was only overcome by Democrat-partisan deception. And on top of that, Arizona was prematurely called for Biden. This is an outrage, and it should not be permitted to stand.
Another Republican victory, with possibly 11 more Republican gains pending in the House.
The polls in advance predicted a Democrat wave, with a decisive 10% victory margin. The opposite has occurred. Out of 24 House seats Republicans had to defend, they did not lose a single seat. And in point of fact, have made gains, very possibly still more to come.
Polls (liberal-tilted, of course!) foretold a Democrat takeover of the Senate, but again, the Republicans held it. And in both Hose and Senate, the incumbent president's party generally loses seats in both houses.
So... It really doesn't make sense that the voters would give Republicans these unusual victories, and then give the presidency to the Democrats. Particularly a clueless and corrupt zombie like Joe Biden. As of 2 AM on election night, the electoral victories in 5 of the 6 remaining states made more sense and was consistent with the House and Senate gains. Then the voting irregularities and blatant corruption began turning the tide unethically in Biden's favor. This is an outrage that cannot be allowed to stand.
I'm hearings murmuring about watermarks. Very sophisticated and impossible to duplicate watermarks that are on ballots the ballots....hmmmmm....this will get VERY interesting if true.
Biden is now leading in Georgia and Pennsylvania is likely to flip today too. We?re getting close to this being called for Biden. I do not see any scenario where trump acts as a leader for the benefit of this country. I suspect Biden is very prepared for an ugly transition.
Quite the contrast between Biden and trump. Biden is being very much the statesman while trump is acting like a loser. Biden projects calm while Trump is trying to incite his base. Unfit to the end.
Biden is an Alzeimers patient, who can barely remember his own name.
Anything that is said by Biden is a carefully rehearsed statement, written by his puppetmasters. He is completely unfit to lead the country, and during the campaign would usually end his day by 10 AM, or call a "lid" ( a day off, no appointments) for the entire day in advance. He is absolutely incapable of taking a 3 AM phone call to deal with a military crisis with Russia, China, Iran or North Korea. It's terrifying.
The only way Biden is gaining in the vote counting is by major tampering with the ballots. In multiple states, vote monitors have been prevented from observing the ballot processing, at precisely the time Biden "miraculously" jumped ahead. There is ABSOLUTELY NO WAY Biden logically overcame the margins of victory Trump had in these states, and the sudden jumps thinning those margins is precisely explained by all the observed methods of tampering I've cited, that have been evidenced at every stage of the "chain of custody" and counting of these mail-in ballots.
We already know some of the elections supervisors have posted vitriolic hatred of Trump on facebook and Twitter, we know that many of the elections vote counters are wearing "BIDEN 2020" clothing and hats, clear partisans. And unprecedented, the first time in election history, in multiple states, vote-counting observers have been obstructed from viewing the vote-processing, or not permitted to enter the vote-counting facility at all. At every stage, this adds up to vote tampering, and coincides with huge jumps in vote gains for Biden. Vote counters in multiple states claim to have videotaped thousands of witnessed examples of vote tampering.
Newt Gingrich on Hannity last night said it well, that the only way to eliminate the corruption is to throw out the tainted votes, to only officially count the votes counted up until observing the vote counting was prevented (i.e., throw out everything counted after about 2 AM election night). Trump was winning by good margins in 5 of the 6 contested states. Clearly that was only overcome by Democrat-partisan deception. And on top of that, Arizona was prematurely called for Biden. This is an outrage, and it should not be permitted to stand.
After 2am there were all the mail in votes that were legally cast that heavily leaned democrat. I did mine by mail for the first time.
So, Pariah. Assume Biden gets his 270. Trump is compelled by the National Guard to leave the White House (which I recall was the fallback for Nixon if he didn't leave). Time to mount up, with machine guns, to overthrow a tyrant?
What if Trump is then arrested for his obstruction of justice in the Mueller investigation?
You're ex-Army, right? What do you do?
Wild speculation and hysteria, based on nothing anything of us have said here.
I think it's clear that Trump is prepared to fight on with an army of lawyers (not guns and soldiers), and with the evidence of election fraud and irregularities. Trump remains president and in the White House by every right until Jan 20, 2021.
And I've never heard anything to give the slightest reality to what you say about Nixon. Congress was contemplating impeachment in August 1974, but rather than go through months of that process and put the nation through it, Nixon quickly resigned. If he had not resigned, he could have remained in the White House for months until an impeachment ran its course. Absurdly bad facts on your part.
Regarding the alleged 1000-vote lead by Biden in Georgia, again, I don't believe it. Likewise the new ballots eroding Trump's 10.9% lead in Pennsylvania, from just 48 hours ago, and at that time 80% of the vote already counted. No way. The clear ballot counting irregularities (i.,e., election fraud) in all these states puts the lie to this whole narrative.
If not for the blatant irregularites, SO MANY irregularities, I might trust the system and believe Biden is really turning it around :
Mailmen throwing away thousands of ballots, One mailman anonymously admitting he and other mailmen were instructed by their supervisor to set aside Philadelphia ballots from the other mail collected for the day, so the ballots could be manually stamped "Nov 3rd" despite that it is now the 4th and the 5th (again, Project Veritas, video interviewed). The fact that election supervisors in multiple states WOULDN'T EVEN SAY to reporters how many votes were left to be counted (basically election supervisors looking to see how many ballots Biden needed to win, so they could manufature them in a back room, slip then in as they've been observed doing with the legitimately processed votes, and put Biden over the top). Elections supervisors expressing their hatred for Trump on social media, the candidate whose loss they are now rigging. Excluding vote counting monitors, many of them who went public about it and were interviewed by Fox and other media that are not part of the fix, monitors detailing how they were kept outside, how they were kept too far away to observe, 30 feet away or more. To discredit that, the liberal media now are pushing the narrative: "Ohh, that was temporary, we resolved that." Well... not resolved until the damage was already done, if ever really fixed at all. Monitors who said 150 feet away they could see big black bags of unprocessed ballots clandestinely brought over and mixed in with the legitimately processed ballots. Polling locations where the staff purposely only had Sharpie pens for voters, that unlike normal ball point pens bled through both sides of the ballot page filled out, guaranteeing conservative ballots will not be usable as legitimate votes. But against the mainstream narrative that the story was "debunked", multiple voters interviewed on Hannity said they were given Sharpie pens when voting in person, objected and said it would ruin their ballots, were told they had to use a Sharpie because there were no other pens available, could see it bled through the ballot page to the other side, that the scanning machine had trouble scanning their ballots, and when these voters checked later, their ballots were not counted. https://www.foxnews.com/politics/az-voters-file-lawsuit-against-maricopa-county-after-sharpiegate Cory Lewandowski and Pam Bondi having a legal order to suspend the count until correct monitoring is established, ignored by the elections supervisor, by the vote-counting staff, and by the local sherriff. https://nypost.com/2020/11/05/trump...access-to-vote-counting-in-philadelphia/
But yeah, this is all conspiracy theory, it never actually happened.
HOW UNUSUAL IS IT TO NOT HAVE ALL THE VOTES COUNTED BY THE MORNING AFTER THE ELECTION?!? That has NEVER happened before. It's 3 days later and they're still counting the 6% of uncounted ballots left on election night?
C'mon, MAN !
There is just way too much in this vote-count that breaks protocol, doesn't make sense, or is just overtly and unapologetically wrong and dirty. Now the THIRD DAY after the election, and the votes are still not counted yet. When has that EVER taken more than 24 hours? Except to delay the count long enough to manufacture the ballots needed to overcome Trump's margin of victory, to hand the election over to Biden. The irregulartities have been exposed in conservative media, while liberal media pretend these incredible lapses don't exist.
And now the liberal media is trying to sell the "no irregularities" Orwellian narrative across the mainstream news and social media, to try and make the public buy it. While hiding and dismissing the evidence otherwise as "conspiracy theory". Well, I DON'T buy it, and neither do over 69 million other Americans.
RNC charwoman Ronna MacDaniel is currently giving a statement on One America News (OAN) declaring a challenge to the election being called, and demanding a re-count in all the contested states, with adequate monitoring by both sides, and detailing the extent of irregularities that the RNC is demanding be investigated. I tuned this in mid-pres conference.
I changed the channel to Fox News, to see if they had better audio of it, and they are NOT carrying this live.
WHAT THE FUCK !?!?!????
Something THIS IMPORTANT and Fox isn't even broadcasting it?!? The head of the Republican party, making the most important announcement possible, and making detailing a strong evidenciary case for her actions. And Fox isn't even airing it. This is one of many examples in recent months that I have serious doubts about whether even Fox News has been compromised and is becoming part of the liberal Newspeak media. Some of their coverage earlier today by reporters Kristin Fisher, Trace Gallagher and Sandra Smith similarly was akin to CNN coverage in its one-sided narrative in favor of the Biden campaign, NOT EVEN TRYING to cover the case for the other Republican side of that argument.
Another Republican victory, with possibly 11 more Republican gains pending in the House.
The polls in advance predicted a Democrat wave, with a decisive 10% victory margin. The opposite has occurred. Out of 24 House seats Republicans had to defend, they did not lose a single seat. And in point of fact, have made gains, very possibly still more to come.
Polls (liberal-tilted, of course!) foretold a Democrat takeover of the Senate, but again, the Republicans held it. And in both Hose and Senate, the incumbent president's party generally loses seats in both houses.
So... It really doesn't make sense that the voters would give Republicans these unusual victories, and then give the presidency to the Democrats. Particularly a clueless and corrupt zombie like Joe Biden. As of 2 AM on election night, the electoral victories in 5 of the 6 remaining states made more sense and was consistent with the House and Senate gains. Then the voting irregularities and blatant corruption began turning the tide unethically in Biden's favor. This is an outrage that cannot be allowed to stand.
I can't edit my previous post (RRRRRR! ), so this is the only way to correct it with a working link.
Carlson in his editorial on the election night of the previous 24 hours, and of the Orwellian unholy alliance of Democrats, fanatically liberal/partisan news media, corporate tech giants and social media, and their super-rich billionaire funders, and the federally empoewered Deep State aligned with them. And how they are steamrollering over what's left of our Constitutional republic. Followed by historian Victor David Hanson, further clarifying along the same lines, how Democrats and the corporate/billionaire elite are threatening with all their power to crush all opposition to their Orwellian takeover, even threatening Republican senators like Lindsey Graham, Mitch McConnell, and Susan Collins, each of whom were facing the most expensive challenges to an incumbent senator, elites funding their opponents over 100 million each. Basically to senators: if you oppose our agenda, we will crush you, we will destroy you, and we have unlimited resources to do so. In the case of Trump and many of his officials: We will falsely accuse you, indict you, bankrupt you with legal fees, imprison you. And they have.
I don't think anyone but Trump has the will to stand up to this, I think anyone else would have surrendered to the Orwellian elites. And if he is replaced as president, it will only get worse, and I doubt the corruption Trump wa fighting will ever be cleaned up. I don't think any other president ever fought so hard for the American people, and has earned another 4 years.
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Orwell's elite at Youtube took it down, before I could even post it.
Just pointing out: Col. Wilkerson's vision cited by Carlson above, of using the U.S. military nationwide to put down gun-owning pro-Trump resistance to a rigged-election-appointed Biden government (as video-clipped from a discussion on Bill Maher's Politically Incorrect show) , and "how much blood might flow" is precisely the fantasy Australia-Dave taunted Pariah with a few posts above.
This is a vision I've seen voiced repeatedly by guests and anchors on CNN and MSNBC, of using the state military to gun down any Trump resistance to the Orwellian liberal utopia they're putting in place.
Again, commentary on how Democrats, corporate powers, the news media, tech and social media, and the bureaucrat/establishment Deep State have criminally trampled on the rule of law for the last 4 years, so that it was inevitable they would bring the same lawlessness and criminal suppression of the rule of law to the 2020 election. We are watching the death of freedom and democracy. And the Demcorat/Left and the M E Ms are cheering it on. Once they finish with us, they will be coming for you. Even being a zealous Bolshevik won't make you safe.
If Trump had proof he would take it through the courts. Instead it is the usual shit fest with him. For Covid the pos lied and compared it to the flu. For the election we get lies about voter fraud. All legal votes need to be counted and with the goal to not disenfranchise voters.
If Trump had proof he would take it through the courts. Instead it is the usual shit fest with him. For Covid the pos lied and compared it to the flu. For the election we get lies about voter fraud. All legal votes need to be counted and with the goal to not disenfranchise voters.
What do you think the 600 lawyers volunteering for Trump are for, M E M?
As usual, you're parroting the lying propaganda of the Democrat Bolsheviks. Republicans are absolutely pursuing legal action, and Democrats are trying to prevent it. Because if allowed to investigate the elections records, the records will show all the ways Democrts rigged the election.
Just as your side lied about Trump "Russia collusion" and Adam Schiff, James Clapper, Andrew McCabe, John Brennan, Loretta Lynch and others deliberately misrepresented what was said in closed-door House hearings, alleging to CNN there was proof of guilt, when in closed door testimony they said the exact opposite, that they saw no evidence of that.
Just as your side lied to create a Mueller special investigation, and knowing immediately there was no basis, still prolonged it 2 years to influence the Nov 2028 elections in the Democrat favor.
Just as your side lied about the Trump phone call to Ukraine, and choreographed a fake impeachment over it.
Deception is the first and last resort of the Democrats at every turn. And now your side has been exposed. AGAIN.
If Trump had proof he would take it through the courts. Instead it is the usual shit fest with him. For Covid the pos lied and compared it to the flu. For the election we get lies about voter fraud. All legal votes need to be counted and with the goal to not disenfranchise voters.
What do you think the 600 lawyers volunteering for Trump are for, M E M?
As usual, you're parroting the lying propaganda of the Democrat Bolsheviks. Republicans are absolutely pursuing legal action, and Democrats are trying to prevent it. Because if allowed to investigate the elections records, the records will show all the ways Democrts rigged the election.
Just as your side lied about Trump "Russia collusion" and Adam Schiff, James Clapper, Andrew McCabe, John Brennan, Loretta Lynch and others deliberately misrepresented what was said in closed-door House hearings, alleging to CNN there was proof of guilt, when in closed door testimony they said the exact opposite, that they saw no evidence of that.
Just as your side lied to create a Mueller special investigation, and knowing immediately there was no basis, still prolonged it 2 years to influence the Nov 2028 elections in the Democrat favor.
Just as your side lied about the Trump phone call to Ukraine, and choreographed a fake impeachment over it.
Deception is the first and last resort of the Democrats at every turn. And now your side has been exposed. AGAIN.
I recognize trump was able to block all the evidence with the aid of a senate controlled by republicans but the impeachment was real and happened. He was impeached. Are we turning the corner on Covid WB? You worship a liar who has a lot of blood on his hands. Biden is going to inherit a huge mess. And you seriously suggested throwing out all the votes after 2am after election day. You can call people names all you want but it is clear that you and other trumpsters would steal this election if you could. Unlike other elections where things blow up in partisanship I now know how far you and others would go. Democracy is truly your enemy. I will not forget that and I pray the majority of the country does not either.
Unlike other elections where things blow up in partisanship I now know how far you and others would go. Democracy is truly your enemy. I will not forget that and I pray the majority of the country does not either.
News agencies are forming a united front in declaring that Biden won. Except none of the results in the contested states have been certified.
Someone has a vested interest in fucking with public perception.
For as long as I remember networks call the election when it becomes pretty much statistically impossible for the loser to have enough votes to change the outcome. I do agree that someone does have a vested interest in trying to fuck with public perception. If he needs to be escorted out of the WH for trespassing I will be laughing my ass off btw.
For as long as I remember networks call the election
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
What'd I tell ya, Dave? Truely, a Baudrillardian nightmare when the perception of the people is that news agencies are the ones that decide the will of the people.
This is the kind of pathology that leads to the creation of AOC's "List".
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I do agree that someone does have a vested interest in trying to fuck with public perception. If he needs to be escorted out of the WH for trespassing I will be laughing my ass off btw.
It?s not official when a network calls a state for a candidate or projects the winner of course but that?s always been the case. Networks did the same in 2016 with Trump. There is probably a thread here on the RKMB with some conservative bitching about Clinton not calling the night of the election to congratulate trump. It is not surprising that a pizzagate person like yourself is having trouble accepting that trump winning was never the will of the people but even in 2016 he lost the popular vote.
Correction btw, Clinton called trump that night but didn?t concede till the next day. What we have here is a sore loser with Trump who was never fit to be leader.
It?s not official when a network calls a state for a candidate or projects the winner of course but that?s always been the case. Networks did the same in 2016 with Trump. There is probably a thread here on the RKMB with some conservative bitching about Clinton not calling the night of the election to congratulate trump. It is not surprising that a pizzagate person like yourself is having trouble accepting that trump winning was never the will of the people but even in 2016 he lost the popular vote.
In 2016, crucial swing states weren't incapable of compiling votes for tabulation. There were no suspicious freezes of the votes with many unaccountable batches being "found" over the week that were exclusively for one candidate. There was suspicion of vote fraud--and it definitely occurred--but they weren't as voluminous as they are now with ballot watchers being intimidated and blocked off from the tallies. Demmy's were so desperate and determined to steal this one, they left a lot more low-hanging fruit to litigate than last time.
If she thought it would have helped her, Hilldog would have sued for recounts in both Wisconsin and Michigan. But she knew it would have exposed her. That's why she told Jill Stein to back off from campaigning for a recount in the Rust Belt.
Exactly. NONE of the contested states have said their states have finished counting, have not announced giving their state votes over to the electoral college.
The liberal news media just decided with their electoral math people to PREDICT (not verify) that states will go to Biden. Incredibly, even Fox News joined the liberal networks in this Orwellian narrative. And the Biden campaign has gone along with it, with Biden giving something of a victory speech (despite no victory). In a bid to create enough momentum to pressure the remaining media chime along with the "Biden victory" narrative, and to pressure Trump and his supporters to concede, which he, and we, will not do.
There is absolute evidence, and PLENTIFUL evidence, that there is massive fraud in all these states, in the testimony of at least 54 witnesses in Philadelphia alone, along with video-recorded evidence and other documentation to support it. Forensic computer evidence of fraud, that can be verified. Rudy Giuliani in his investigation found at least 200,000 tampered ballots in Philadelphia, and another 300,000 tampered ballots in Pittsburg. RNC chair Ronna McDaniel has cited further evidence of massive and orchestrated voter fraud in Michigan, more than enough to eliminate Biden's manufactured "victory" and give the states back to Trump.
Starting Monday, Rudy Giuliani will be filing 5 lawsuits in 5 states over the next 5 days. This is BLATANT misconduct by Democrats. But of course, M E M has no problem with that. Whatever serves the revolution, whatever gives his party victory.
You being a homosexual male, M E M, I'm sure you know a lot more about butthurt than the rest of us.
I don't consider it "butthurt" to vigorously oppose blatant corruption.
As an example, Trump was ahead in Tuesday night in Pennsylvania with a margin of 690,000 votes, with 79% of the votes counted, in a state with a population of 12.8 million people. and somehow within 48 hours, fraudulent vote-counting erased that huge margin, and flipped that to 15,000 votes in Biden's favor. That means, out of the remaining 21% of PA's votong population of 1,294,750 (calculated from the voting totals of the 2016 election), that would require well over 55% of the remaining votes to have miraculously gone to Biden in less than 48 hours. And since we're talking about a population in Pennsylvania, and not Boston or Berkeley or Washington DC, that's just not possible.
By comparison, Pennsylvania went to Trump in 2016 by 0.72%. It just doesn't pass the smell test.
Add to that :
The 54 witnesses Giuliani has for his case, in less than 3 days. Mailmen admitting they were ordered to tamper with mail (as documented by Project Veritas, and by Giuliani's investigation) ;whoa: Mailman testifying date-stamp ballots arriving Nov 4th or later were fraudulently stamped as "Nov 3rd" by their supervisors. They were ordered to set aside ballots for this fraudunent stamping, Huge trashbags of illegal unprocessed ballots mixed in with the normally processed votes, as witnessed by both observers and election staff. Harassment and intimidation of Republican vote observers, cardboard put up on the windows to further block their ability to observe, keeping the vote-counting tables 30 to 150 feet away so observers could not do their jobs, threatening observers with arrest if they came any closer. Democrats will say "obsrvers were present". But in fact, while present, Democrat staff prevented them from being able to observe much of anything. The fact that Biden got way more votes than the senators on the same ballots, at least 100,000 more in several states, Thousands of people who can be proven to be dead or have moved out of the state, but somehow managed to cast a vote for Biden. and The computer program "Dominion" in Michigan flipped about 6,000 Trump votes in a second to Biden votes, and appears to have done the same in 47 other Michigan counties, and the same program was used in 30 other states (a programming company, by the way, partly owned by two members of Nancy pelosi's family). Other fraud-enabling programs used are Scorecard and Hammer.
That's not "butthurt" those are solid examples of election fraud. And your party, which has no shame, should be deeply ashamed. But clearly, you and many other Democrats have no ethics, you still support it and hope your party can can get away with it. Whatever allows your side to win. Democrats, the party of lawlessness and undermining Constitutional law.
Well I won?t take trump or ruddies word for it. Like I said they can take their ?evidence ? to court meanwhile the transition can continue. The reality is going to be that trump is so vile that he is willing to make false allegations instead of admitting he lost. We all know when the court cases fizzle than trump and supporters will than claim the courts are in on it too. You have enabled a weak and unfit leader WB that is willing to do this. Our votes matter and it is not up to the loser to decide if they did indeed lost.
Even leading a Democrt majority from 2018-2020, Nancy Pelosi had trouble getting enough Democrats to support and pass her legislation. McCarthy says that it will be even more difficult to do so in the new House in January for Pelosi, now that her majority has thinned so much. And that Dem leadership blames Pelosi, so she will have a hard time keeping her leadership as Speaker. As Rep Spammberger and others said in a leaked conference call of House Democrats, Pelosi's support of "defund the police" and BLM/Antifa is what "killed us", and if Dems continue to support these positions "we're f---ed in 2022 as well."
More important, Rep. McCarthy cites that what was supposted to have been a "blue wave" blew up in the Democrats' faces, that Republicans held the Senate, and have made gains in the House. That it doesn't make sense to be given a clear mandate for Republicans in the Hosue and Senate, and then for voters not to have re-elected Trump as well. What we saw on election night with Trump getting electoral victories in Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, North Carolina, and Georgia was the true will of voters, and it was only the exact vote counts of victory to be totalled up. And then after 2 A M on election night there were huge dumps of illegal votes for Biden to turn the tide in almost all those states. As I detailed above, there are multiple ways that outcome just doesn't make sense, and was Democrat fraud.
And Arizona was prematurely called fpr Biden, when there are still large precincts that are heavily Republican that are expected to turn it red. Like Florida in 2000, Arizona was prematurely called as a Democrat victory, as psychological warfare to discurage Republican voters. Pennsylvania, which was 690,000 votes in Trump's favor, but wasn't called for Trump? and yet Arizona that was far more in play was called for Biden? It just doesn't make sense.
Yup more democrats voted by mail and the states that counted those last showed trump winning early on. Trump lost when all the votes were counted though.
Also interviewed on Sunday Morning Futures by Maria Martiromo yesterday, Rudy Giuliani, who is investigting election fraud in Philadelphia and Pittsburg. Giuliani says there are at least 200,000 fraudulant votes in Philadelphia, and another 300,000 in Pittsburg that he will be presenting evidence of in a lawsuit Monday.
Btw WB FOX called Arizona earlier than CNN who waited till it was a safer projection. This was not like Florida 2000 where a projection was made while polls were still open in part of the state.
I had more difficulty finding this clip, also from yesterday's broadcast of Sunday Morning Futures, of Sidney Powell, a Trump attorney and counsel for Michael Flynn. Some great revelations about computer algorithm programs used to rig the election in 47 districts in Michigan, and potentially in30 other states. With the Dominion software program company used having direct financial ties to Nancy Pelosi. Computer forensics would prove this is not a few random incidents of election fraud, but a massive deliberate operation by the DNC.
Will you be upset if lying turd trump wants to do recounts ala Frankenstein? Lol
Recounting isn't the same as manufacturing.
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After the completion of the recount in Wisconsin’s Milwaukee County on Friday and Dane County on Sunday, there was little change in the final breakdown of the more than 800,000 ballots that had been cast in the two jurisdictions. In the end, Biden’s lead over Trump in the state grew by 87 votes.
Under Wisconsin law, Trump was required to foot the bill — meaning his campaign paid $3 million, only to see Biden widen his margin.
Still pretty incredible seeing how low much of the GOP has sunk. I think Biden needs to hold out the hand for unity but folks like Lindsay Graham that were actively trying to overturn the election need to pay for betraying their country.
To recap the last few weeks. Trump has gone after Dominion, which apparently operates as an overseer of voting software and tabulation in multiple countries (the US included)--and even executes operations from remote countries. Giuliani's pushing hearings in multiple contested states to emphasize the statistical impossibilities of the dumps we witnessed about 4 weeks ago. Sidney Powell, with whom the Trump Administration has distanced itself, is contesting the material nature of the fraud through witnesses, ballot irregularities, and the alleged use of Defense Contractor grade hacking programs such as "Hammer" and "Scorecard" to digitally switch the candidates on the ballots or fuck with the raw vote totals. Anyone who calls for general accountability is harassed, harangued, and called "racist".
Dominion, in the meantime, saw over a hundred of its personnel mysteriously delete all of their LinkedIn accounts all at once. They're also apparently lawyering up while they trash all of their documentation and electronic assets (e.g. servers) double time. Giuliani's challenges are continuously thrown out, propelling him to the SCOTUS at top speed--although that is unlikely to mean anything. The FBI itself has requested Matt Braynard's data on the massive voter fraud observed in the apparent interest of the possibility that there's grounds--but more likely because Trump recently called them out on their (corrupt) dereliction and they're now forced to acknowledge it.
The Supreme Court is probably not going to be the final boss of this battle. Unless Giuliani's case can be amended after every appeal (is that possible? I have no idea personally) to add the preponderance of evidence necessary to sway the judges, his case is likely to get slapped away like it has over the past month. In which case, his function is only to stall while Trump gathers electoral voters. And since the number of Republican Legislatures outnumbers the Democratic ones, that is a distinct possibility.
From the other side however, Powell is double teaming the Demmies using the long game and brute force--which is more than likely the reason that Trump has disavowed any connection to Powell. He doesn't want to arrest anyone before being re-elected. Potentially, her case will see people in cuffs, which would be bad for Trump optically were it associated with him.
Unlike other elections where things blow up in partisanship I now know how far you and others would go. Democracy is truly your enemy. I will not forget that and I pray the majority of the country does not either.
MEM is AOC now.
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Still pretty incredible seeing how low much of the GOP has sunk. I think Biden needs to hold out the hand for unity but folks like Lindsay Graham that were actively trying to overturn the election need to pay for betraying their country.
"cleff"He's makin's a list, he's preppin' the Gulags..."cleff"
Yeah Trump basically wants a coup because he lost the election and most of his court cases. Can’t get more anti-democratic than that. They hand counted all the votes in Georgia and Biden still won a state controlled by republicans. Now trump is begging his base to vote in the run off elections all the while proclaiming its all fixed.
Yeah Trump basically wants a coup because he lost the election and most of his court cases.
What are you talking about? Garnering electoral votes through the legislatures has nothing to do with a coup. It's, like, the opposite of a coup since it relies upon the representative framework of the states.
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Can’t get more anti-democratic than that.
Voter fraud wouldn't be more anti-democratic? Is this your indirect means of saying that you were one of the tabulators?
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They hand counted all the votes in Georgia and Biden still won a state controlled by republicans. Now trump is begging his base to vote in the run off elections all the while proclaiming its all fixed.
Assuming Powell doesn't blow the lid off Georgia.
Imagine it for a moment: a country-wide AUDIT. Are you confident enough to think the down-ballot demmies would maintain their winner status? Or are you too complicit to answer honestly?
Pariah if the spineless elected republicans tried to participate in the coup in the manner you hope it wouldn’t work. To many people who actually love this country just wouldn’t allow a minority to throw out the will of the people.
Yeah Trump basically wants a coup because he lost the election and most of his court cases. Can’t get more anti-democratic than that. They hand counted all the votes in Georgia and Biden still won a state controlled by republicans. Now trump is begging his base to vote in the run off elections all the while proclaiming its all fixed.
You allege it's TRUMP who wants a coup?!?
The coups have been firing like artillery from the Democrats (and from the liberal media, FBI, DOJ, CIA, and deep state/establishment Republicans) on Trump's presidency for the last FOUR YEARS.
Coup 1: The FBI's four consecutive FISA warrants to spy on Carter Page (known now to have been planned by Obama, Biden, Yates, Clapper, Brennan, Comey and Susan Rice in a Jan 5 2017 Oval Office meeting, courtesy of Sally Yates' own self-incriminating notes) and through FISA surveillance on Page, spying on other Trump campaign officials, as well as the FBI infesting Trump's campaign with moles like Stefan Halper and Joseph Mifsud, to internally spy on Trump officials, to trick them into perjury traps and into breaking laws, to manufacture crimes to prosecute them on. Welcome to Orwell's 1984.
Coup 2: The FBI counterintelligence "Russia collusion" investigation, using the fraudulent Christopher Steele "Russia Dossier" as falsified evidence. After 9 months, with absolutely no evidence, the FBI was forced to close the case. But the false narrative and media taalking points opened the door for....
Coup 3: The Rosenstein-appointed Mueller special investigation, made up of 18 rabidly pro-Obama/Hillary and rabidly anti-Trump lawyers. In less than 3 months, they found absolute proof that Trump was innocent, but they kept the investigation open until July 2019, in order to influence the Nov 2018 mid-term election in the Democrats' favor. And the deceit worked, giving Democrats a slight majority in the House, depriving Trump of 1 of 4 branches of government.
Coup 4: Just when the Mueller investigation ended, a week later the "Whistleblower" allegation was prepared and unleashed, of Trump allegedly acting inappropriately in a phone call with the newly elected Ukranian president. The manufactured scandal led to...
Coup 5: The completely unjustifiable attempt to impeach Trump. Zero evidence, Democrats maliciously unleashed it, along a straight party-line vote, abusing their narrow House majority. It failed.
And now, Coup 6: The Nov 2020 election, where Demcorats rigged the election. It can be proven multiple ways. 1) By the forensic computer evidence that the vote-totals were manipulated by Dominion voting machines and software (thanks for your overview, Pariah) , aided with CIA programs Hammer and Scorecard, used by the CIA to rig elections in foreign countries, now used by the Praetorian Guard to rig a U.S. election (and likely used to unsuccessfully rig the 2016 election, and more successfully the 2012 election in Obama's favor. The 3% manipulation of the vote successful in 2012 undetected, was not enough to overcome Trump's lead in Nov 2020. So they had to stop the vote in multiple states, so they had time to enter hundreds of thousands of fraudulent votes in Phoenix, Minneapolis, Detroit, Pittsburg, Philadelphia and Atlanta, all corrupt Democrat strongholds for decades, where Democrats have the political machinery to pull it off. 2) In many counties, there are more fake votes for Biden than there are registered voters in the precincts. If votes are 130% over the potential voting population, or even double and triple the population, they are clearly not possible, and therefore fraudulent votes that should be rejected in the hundreds of thousands, that would give back Trump the landslide victory in those 6 contested states at 1 AM on election night, before hundreds of thousands of quickly scrbbled out votes were added to the totals in each of the 6 states in question. 3) Hundreds of thousands of faked votes where Republican election observers were prevented from observing the chain of custody, unable to observe the envelopes they were removed from when opened, and unable to observe the valid verification of signatures. In the Arizona hearings today, a single female observer (a retired college professor) said she witnessed thousands of votes processed where the signature on the ballot clearly did not match the signature on file. This one woman witnessed invalid votes that exceed 5500 votes in Arizona in her four days observing, enough votes to overturn Biden's fraudulent victory.
Not to mention the myriad other forms of voter fraud by Democrats: [ ] orchestrated by U S Postal Service, throwing away ballots from heavily Republican districts, [ ] also USPS, systematically manually stamping "Nov 3" on ballots received AFTER Nov 3rd, [ ] an estimated 1.9 million (Pew Research estimated in 2002, and Judicial Watch reporting this year) dead people voting nationwide (including over 9,500 in Michigan, and over 21,000 in Pennsylvania, THAT WE KNOW OF), [ ] Democrats voting in two states, and Democrats swiping the ballots of people who moved out of state, and Dems voting in their former state in their name (as Pariah alluded to above, where Matt Braynard is calling voters nationwide to ask if they voted in their former state, and 34% verify in voice or written statements that they DID NOT request the ballot or send it, that someone else requested the ballot and voted in their name. [ ] Democrats coming in from out of state and voting in a second state under a fake made-up address, etc. etc.
But regardless, many other votes that can be proven false, if the fraudulent Dominion-tampered votes alone being invalidated doesn't give the election to Trump. The only way that can be prevented is by judges simply refusing to see the evidence, or simply refusing to hear the case in a higher or Supreme Court. Which Democrats (and Democrat-appointed party apparatchiks pretending to be judges) are trying like hell to do.
The Arizona secretary of state is a rabid anti-Trump partisan who routinely calls Trump and his supporters "nazi" on social media, and obstructs any review of the vote. If Democrats have nothing to hide, Dems should not object to a thorough review of the ballots. It is only that way that Biden will ever be accepted by half the country as having authentically won (which he clearly did not).
Legal power over elections and selecting the Nov 3rd presidential winner ultimately rests in the Arizona legislature, not in the governor, not in the unhinged secretary of state. Legisslators can bypass the governor and secretary, and select Arizona state electors themselves.
Likewise in Pennsylvania. The PA (Democrat) secretary of state submitted an executive order two weeks before the Nov 3rd election that permits accepting ballots long after Nov 3rd, and the Democrat governor likewise signed off on it. But that is illegal by Pennsylvania state law, as only the Pennsylvania legislature had the legal right to authorize that kind of change in election law. So Trump will ultimately win in Pennsylvania. Alan Dershowitz has been arguing this for weeks.
Republicans control the legislatures in enough states to reverse the ballot fraud, and get Trump to 270 electoral votes.
Pariah if the spineless elected republicans tried to participate in the coup in the manner you hope it wouldn’t work. To many people who actually love this country just wouldn’t allow a minority to throw out the will of the people.
That's a hilarous reversal-attempt. Because it is Democrats who are the marxist-socialist authoritarian fanatics who are trying to overthrow all our Constitutional freedoms and to eliminate all our Constitutional checks and balances. It is Republicans who love this country, and the Democrats whose fanatic Bolshevism has to be stopped to save those Constitutional freedoms and protections.
Democrats have made it clear they would stack the Senate, stack the Supreme Court and lower courts, give amnesty to "11 million" illegal immigrants (the real number is closer to 30 million illegals in the country, another Trojan horse) , would eliminate the Senate filibuster, would undermine protection of our Southern border, incentivising millions more illegals and caravans.
Biden has clearly stated re-instate a lockdown for another 6 weeks at least (crushing what's left of small businesses to consolidate corporate dominance, the same corporations that support a Democrat authoritarian power grab, both for corporate profit and for ideological power reasons.) Science has clearly shown lockdowns only increase the number of Covid-19 cases, and have many other harmful effects, both human and economic. WHY?!? Other than as a political weapon, to crush private-sector business and widen state dependency (and thus increase Democrat power).
Biden would re-enter the suicidal Iran nuclear deal. Would re-enter the global Paris environmental accord (that only the U.S. ever complied with, not other nations, so in truth it was just a transfer of wealth from the U.S. to other nations. Biden would also put this country at China's mercy.
And Biden has telegraphed this even before Jan 20th, during a period where Biden is not in power yet, where he is trying to soothe the country with assuring-sounding words. But the fanaticism of what he, and the more radical bolsheviks in his party who truly control him, can't be hidden. They've said for two years these are the things they plan to do, and they can't resist bragging about it, even before they've seized power. In 2000, 2004, 2006, 2008, 2012, 2016, 2018 and 2020, the Democrats have consistently demonstrated how increasingly vicious and lawless they are. Democrats are the party of slander, intimidation, violence, mob rule, of Soros and the globalists who would crush U.S. sovereignty, of open borders, of Antifa, of Black Lives Matter, of hating America and tearing down statues of our nation's founders, of hating and de-funding our police, of hating our military. Of taking away citizens' guns, so even in the absence of police, citizens will be unable to protect or defend themselves, from criminals or from an authoritarian state government.
Democrats don't "love" this country, they are the ones trying to destroy it, and radically transform it into a marxist-socialist authoritarian police state. Demcorat leaders (and their corporate backers) are far more comfortable with authoritarian China than they are dealing with sovereign/nationalist/Constitutional-minded Republicans. Democrats have also made it clear they want to "punish" Republicans for supporting Trump, that they want to publicly shame any lawyers or officials who served in the Trump administration, to prevent them from ever being able to work again (Jennifer Rubin, New York Times, Maxine Waters, Corey Booker, and of course Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez and the squad, just a few Democrats who have openly called for this purge).
But yeah. Democrats "love" this country. Right. Are you lying to us, M E M? Or to yourself?
Pariah if the spineless elected republicans tried to participate in the coup in the manner you hope it wouldn’t work. To many people who actually love this country just wouldn’t allow a minority to throw out the will of the people.
Actually I think it is how this country works. If you want something like the right to vote, own land or marry someone from a different race you push & keep pushing for it & pursue it at any legal avenue availlable.
The legislature route is more than legal. It's constitutional. Not surprising you'd want to void that since you're also the one who wants to "win" through voter fraud. In which case, you are the minority, and you're spitting in the face of the people the votes of whom are in the process of being stolen by your ilk.
Making false claims of voter fraud and trying to throw out an election to instal the loser would not work. Trump failed to prove his claims in court. The majority of Americans who voted for Biden would never accept Trumpers coup no matter how you want to dress it up.
The court battles aren't over yet. It's not just Giuliani and Powell who have been filing. There are dozens and dozens of people who are challenging the vote integrity of these key states--and beyond. The cases aren't going away. They're escalating.
Not all of the states are certified. The ones that have been (e.g Arizona) are being challenged. If anyone recalls, Hawaii was certified for Nixon...it ended up going to Kennedy.
“Democrats suffered crushing down-ballot loss across America.” @nytimes. This is true. All statehouses won, and in Washington we did great. So I led this great charge, and I’m the only one that lost? No, it doesn’t work that way. This was a massive fraud, a RIGGED ELECTION!
Down ballot results present like a typical incumbent re-election cycle.
His party recovers much but not all of their 1st incumbent midterm losses, largely fight off upper chamber challenges and wins bellwethers.
This is what happens when a POTUS gets re-elected, not defeated....
....In fact, Iowa is the state with the largest number of pivot counties. Donald Trump won every single one of them. Joe Biden lost every single one of them.
This actually reminds me of Virginia and Kentucky in particular--although there are many other states with the same phenomenon. Multiple times, the Demmy governor would win even after losing all of the down ballot races. People would just explain it away in typical First Amongst Daves fashion. Mayhaps Trump's legal endeavors will forever break the grand delusion that's coerced the people into tolerating the nonsense occurrences that have been weighing them down for so many years.
"To date, we have not seen fraud on a scale that could have affected a different outcome in the election," Barr said.
Barr, who prior to the election echoed President Donald Trump's claims that mail-in voting wasn't secure, said both the Justice Department and the Department of Homeland Security have looked into claims of fraud and come up empty.
"There's been one assertion that would be systemic fraud and that would be the claim that machines were programmed essentially to skew the election results," Barr said. "And the DHS and DOJ have looked into that, and so far, we haven't seen anything to substantiate that."
President Donald Trump publicly lashed out at Gov. Doug Ducey on Monday, contending the Republican leader and Trump supporter "betrayed the people of Arizona" by certifying an election that didn't go the president's way.
As Ducey signed the certification documents Monday, his cellphone buzzed with the ringtone of "Hail to the Chief." Ducey said he set that for calls coming from the White House. Monday, he muted the ring tone and set the phone aside, continuing to sign documents that made Trump's loss official.
Trump knows his base/sheep but I wouldn’t call him smart. Just pos sociopath that inherited a lot of money and used the government to bail him out when he went bankrupt. He leaves this country as a impeached 1 term loser that tried to stay in power despite losing. Hope he suffers a long painful death from some self inflicted vd in prison before whatever tortures lie for him in hell.
I dunno about plans. But I do know strategy and scripted events--of which there have been hundreds over the past four years. And all throughout the endeavor, this administration merged the Fed and Treasury and appointed three Supreme Court Justices. The media has been alleging toil and trouble and a 'crash and burn' presidency, and yet so much has been accomplished. It's not speculation to say massive moves have being ongoing behind the scenes while drama is played out right in front of us--Cuomo was given an Emmy for fucksakes. In many quarters they're not even hiding that it's all an act. Like I told Iggy three years ago, we are Rome and everything we see from on high is a scripted tragedy. You, allegedly, switched paradigms for that exact reason, and yet you play dumb.
Attorney General William Bar has upgraded US Attorney John Durham to special counsel, affording him extra protection against a Biden administration canceling his investigation into the origins of the FBI/DOJ Trump-Russia probe - which cost taxpayers over $40 million and dominated the news for over three years.
According to the Associated Press, Barr said Durham had been appointed special counsel in October under the same federal statue which governed Robert Mueller's investigation in the Russia probe.
He said Durham’s investigation has been narrowing to focus more on the conduct of FBI agents who worked on the Russia investigation, known as Crossfire Hurricane.
The investigations grew out of allegations of cooperation between Donald Trump’s 2016 presidential campaign and Russians to help him defeat Democrat Hillary Clinton. -AP
"I decided the best thing to do would be to appoint them under the same regulation that covered Bob Muller, to provide Durham and his team some assurance that they’d be able to complete their work regardless of the outcome of the election," Barr told AP, who added that the Durham investigation has "narrowed considerably" and is now "really is focused on the activities of the crossfire hurricane investigation within the FBI."
Many had been expecting Durham to produce some type of report, indictment, or some type of findings prior to the 2020 election.
According to the Oct. 19 order obtained by AP, Barr authorized Durham "to investigate whether any federal official, employee or any person or entity violated the law in connection with the intelligence, counter-intelligence or law enforcement activities" used against the 2016 Trump campaign or members of the Trump administration.
A senior Justice Department official told the AP that although the order details that it is “including but not limited to Crossfire Hurricane and the investigation of Special Counsel Robert S. Mueller III,” the Durham probe has not expanded. The official said that line specifically relates to FBI personnel who worked on the Russia investigation before the May 2017 appointment of Mueller, a critical area of scrutiny for both Durham and for the Justice Department inspector general, which identified a series of errors and omissions in surveillance applications targeting a former Trump campaign associate.
AP notes that the focus is on the FBI, 'rather than the CIA and the intelligence community,' which essentially means former CIA Director John Brennan and current CIA Director Gina Haspel (who ran the London CIA bureau while the majority of operation crossfire hurricane took place on UK soil) are pretty much in the clear.
On Sunday, President Trump telegraphed the move in an interview with Fox News' Maria Bartiromo.
Until and unless proven otherwise, we're going to assume this is all political theater.
In my mind, Investigating election fraud would exceed the DOJ's left and right limits, since Trump has Barr focused elsewhere. It's not that it would be outside their purview, but Trump wouldn't want them doing it. As such, they haven't found any official evidence because they aren't looking for it--and neither is Giuliani who's putting on a show. Going back to optics, using the DOJ--or the Supreme Court for that matter--to affirm Trump's claims would be controversial on its face since he'd be using a public institution to, quite possibly, maintain his position in office rather than any inherently constitutional or grassroots means (see also: Trump encouraging Giuliani, Powell, et al to pursue the course). I could be wrong on the SCOTUS thing, but I don't think I am. Amy Coney Barret strikes me as a Red Herring. I don't necessarily trust Barr anymore than I did Scarramucci, Manafort, Mattis, Tillerman, or any of the other revolving door of turncoats that Trump kept close before flinging them away. But all the moves he's been making have thusfar been in sync with what it looks like Trump is going to do.
At this point, Trump doesn't need the courts to convince people of the obvious...
Whether you are a Republican, a Democrat or someone that doesn’t identify with either major party, you should care deeply about the integrity of our elections. Because if we don’t have elections that are free and fair, our system of government simply will not work. If we come out of the 2020 elections with about half the country believing that the race for president was rigged, that is a major problem. Once faith in our elections is gone, it will be nearly impossible to restore, and that is why it is absolutely imperative that we try to figure out how this election went so haywire.
In recent days, I have seen so many people point out some of the numbers from the election that should be deeply bothering all of us. In this article, I am going to try to summarize some of the most important points.
In 2012, Barack Obama cruised to re-election even though he received 3.5 million less votes than he got in 2008.
In 2020, President Trump was supposedly soundly defeated even though he received 11 million more votes than he did in 2016.
They are telling us that Trump was defeated because of a historic turnout by Biden voters. But the number of counties that Biden actually won was a record low for a “winning candidate” by a very wide margin. It is being reported that Trump won 83 percent of all U.S. counties, and Biden only won 17 percent…
We are told that Biden won more votes nationally than any presidential candidate in history. But he won a record low of 17 percent of counties; he only won 524 counties, as opposed to the 873 counties Obama won in 2008. Yet, Biden somehow outdid Obama in total votes.
How in the world can you win the presidency by losing more than 80 percent of the counties in the entire country?
Yes, I understand that the major population centers are where the votes are. But when Obama won his two elections, at least he was victorious in more than 20 percent of all U.S. counties both times…
Former President Obama ushered in the previous low in 2012, winning re-election with just 689 counties, or 22 percent – breaking his own record set in 2008, where he won with 875 counties, or 28 percent.
Biden underperformed Obama almost everywhere except in the urban population centers that were absolutely critical to Biden’s victory.
In those urban population centers, Biden supposedly piled up obscene vote totals that are very difficult to believe.
And it just so happens that those heavily blue urban population centers all seemed to stop counting votes at about the same time on the night of the election. All of a sudden, voting came to a standstill in Milwaukee, Detroit, Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania and Atlanta.
As many have pointed out, if you stop and wait to see how all of the other areas of your state have voted, you can figure out exactly how many votes you need to put your candidate over the top.
When counting finally resumed, there were four massive vote dumps in the middle of the night which proved decisive in some of the most critical swing states…
An update in Michigan listed as of 6:31AM Eastern Time on November 4th, 2020, which shows 141,258 votes for Joe Biden and 5,968 votes for Donald Trump An update in Wisconsin listed as 3:42AM Central Time on November 4th, 2020, which shows 143,379 votes for Joe Biden and 25,163 votes for Donald Trump A vote update in Georgia listed at 1:34AM Eastern Time on November 4th, 2020, which shows 136,155 votes for Joe Biden and 29,115 votes for Donald Trump An update in Michigan listed as of 3:50AM Eastern Time on November 4th, 2020, which shows 54,497 votes for Joe Biden and 4,718 votes for Donald Trump
In the end, Biden won Wisconsin by less than one percent, he won Pennsylvania by just over one percent, he won Georgia by less than one percent and he won Arizona by less than one percent.
If you reverse the results in those four states, President Trump would be the winner of the race.
The voting behavior in the key midwestern states was particularly suspicious. The following comes from Patrick Basham…
Midwestern states Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin always swing in the same direction as Ohio and Iowa, their regional peers. Ohio likewise swings with Florida. Current tallies show that, outside of a few cities, the Rust Belt swung in Trump’s direction. Yet, Biden leads in Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin because of an apparent avalanche of black votes in Detroit, Philadelphia, and Milwaukee. Biden’s ‘winning’ margin was derived almost entirely from such voters in these cities, as coincidentally his black vote spiked only in exactly the locations necessary to secure victory. He did not receive comparable levels of support among comparable demographic groups in comparable states, which is highly unusual for the presidential victor.
There are countless people that have been looking into how vote totals in the most critical swing states may have been manipulated, but the big tech companies have been doing their best to keep such information from spreading widely.
In fact, it is being reported that Facebook applied an “emergency change” to its news feed algorithm right after the election…
In the aftermath of the contentious presidential election, Facebook reportedly made an “emergency change” to its algorithm, which resulted in the suppression of content from “hyperpartisan” outlets.
Employees at Facebook are now asking if the “nicer news feed” can stay in place long term, according to a Tuesday report from The New York Times.
This “nicer news feed” greatly favors mainstream news outlets such as CNN, the Washington Post and the New York Times.
The big tech companies are absolutely determined to shape how we think, and the power that they now possess is colossal.
They will determine what “truth” is allowed to be told in the years ahead, and they will continue to push our culture down a dystopian path that only leads to complete oblivion.
This election was a major turning point, and those that directed events behind the scenes are on the verge of totally getting away with it.
But this isn’t just a loss for the Republican Party. This is a loss for all Americans, because our entire system of government is crumbling right in front of our eyes.
All he needed to do was signal boost the concept and apparent occurrence of voter fraud, and now it's on everyone's mind and the evidence is plain to see without institutions dictating what we should and should not believe. He used the least amount of resources to do the most amount of damage to the enemy. Anyway you slice it, that is smart.
And while this is going on, the challenges to the "results" continue to flow.
I bet you were verklempt as fuck when Trump won the first time around. Did you and Dave hang out in the same basement for the past 4 years?
Even Barr found his balls g-man and you know he had to do some digging. Do you really want to be on record as not having any discernible issue with the attempted coup going on?
Making false claims of voter fraud and trying to throw out an election to install the loser would not work. Trump failed to prove his claims in court. The majority of Americans who voted for Biden would never accept Trumpers coup no matter how you want to dress it up.
You know who makes false claims, M E M? Democrats, who are so unsure of their victory that they wont consent to a complete audit and re-count, as there has been in every previous presidential election.
And regarding Trump and his lawyers not making the case, there is a difference between lack of evidence, and a partisan Bolshevik Obama or Clinton-appointed judge who won't allow the evidence to be heard, or a judge who just pretends the clear evidence doesn't exist.
The majority of Trump voters will NEVER accept this Democrat-Bolshevik coup as a legitimate Biden win. Up until 2 AM on election night, Trump was winning in 5 of the 6 contested states. Trump's margins up until then:
PA: 682,000 margin for Trump (with 83% counted at that point), flipped to 80,555 for Biden with fake ballots. MI: 306,089 margin for Trump (59% counted), flipped to 154,188 for Biden with fake ballots. WI: 127,270 margin for Trump (82% counted) , flipped to 20,682 for Biden with fake ballots. GA: 311,010 margin for Trump (83% counted) , flipped to 12,670 for Biden with fake ballots. AZ: 10, 457 margin for Biden (prematurely called for Biden, and still in contest) NC: 76,0712 margin for Trump (94% counted, and the only one Trump still won. And despite that Trump was always ahead, it took NC 7 days to call Trump the winner, with a 74,483 vote margin of victory)
Biden won 220 counties less nationwide than Obama, but somehow got 13 million more votes than Obama. There are Republican counties that were strongly in Trump's camp in 2016 that went mysteriously for Biden in 2020. There are counties that went for Biden where there are more votes than there are registered voters! And hundreds of thousands of votes where Biden is mysteriously the only one voted for on the ballot. 450,000 like that in Pennsylvania alone. Republican vote observers saw hundreds of thousands of ballots that were not signature matched, or were illegally counted without observers or a secure chain of custody. There are literally dozens of ways Democrats cheated, they don't even deny that fraud was done on a massive scale. Their only halfhearted Bolshevik-narrative defense is "Well, the fraudulent voting didn't rise to the level of overturning Biden's victory." Despite that several contests are within a 4,000 to 5,000 margin, that could easily be overturned by throwwing out illegitimate votes. That would flip the current fake totals back over 100,000 in Trump's favor, as they were before giant trucks pulled up and dropped off bags of fraudulent ballots that were snuck in the back door at 4 AM, in combination with the Dominion machine systems fraud.
There you go again, threatening your perceived enemies with gulags.
You expect people to turn away from your evil or tolerate being put on lists after this. Its not going to happen.
That.
Senior officials in the Bernie Sanders campaign were caught on video (Project Veritas) openly fantasizing about putting conservative Republicans in gulags and "re-education camps". And Sanders supporters are far from the only ones calling for purges and attacks on Republicans. Jennifer Rubin for example, of the New York Times. https://legalinsurrection.com/2020/...purge-trump-supporters-from-public-life/
Imagine how much more emboldened to violence they will be under a Biden presidency that will let them tear down the statues and run wild rioting and looting, and give amnesty to 11 to 30 million illegal immigrants, and all the millions more who will swarm the border with no enforcement.
I’m not for gulags but I now know you and WB would throw my vote out and everyone else’s too. That won’t ever be okay and it is evil. Not a bunch of words for you because like evidence to support your allegations it doesn’t matter to you.
I’m not for gulags but I now know you and WB would throw my vote out and everyone else’s too. That won’t ever be okay and it is evil. Not a bunch of words for you because like evidence to support your allegations it doesn’t matter to you.
Show me where I said I want to throw away your vote, M E M. Because I absolutely didn't. That's a fucking lie, and I think intended to flip the table to cover up the Democrats' clear election fraud that cannot possibly be defended.
The evidence is there, that there are hundreds of thousands of fraudulent votes, by at least two dozen different methods. In methods both Pariah and I have both detailed, with links to support the allegations with evidence. Hundreds of thousands of fake ballots. In Pennsylvania alone, the state mailed out 1.6 million ballots, and processed 2.5 million. How is that possible, except by massive fraud by Democrats, stealing the election? On top of that, hundreds of thousands more fraudulent ballots through the Dominion voting machines, maanipulating the voting data remotely through hacked software and corrupted flash-drives and deleting or not counting thousands of Republican votes. Or to use your words, throwing out REPUBLICAN votes.
No one is trying to throw out your vote, M E M. But any illegal votes should not be counted. And the surge of votes after 4 AM on election night are clearly illegal, for all the reasons I've stated.
Having electors picked by republicans to choose Trump over Biden would be throwing my vote and everyone else’s out. Trump hasn’t presented anything that has stood up in a court of law. Trump’s Barr just chimed in to say there was no evidence that would have changed the outcome. Meanwhile election officials are getting death threats and harassed by trumpers if they don’t like what they hear. Trump eggs his base on with even people from his legal team calling for deadly violence for those that won’t help him steal the election. So you that’s the side you are on.
There you go again, threatening your perceived enemies with gulags.
It's getting harder and harder for the left to not say the quiet part of what they want out loud.
Sure, they couch it in "you're trying to deny me my rights," but if (hypothetically) something is done in accordance with the constitution and related authority, it's neither illegal nor a denial of their rights. They're attempt to cast it as such is simply the smoke screen under which they'll come after you, sometimes violently (see, eg., MEM's Antifa buddies).
This is exactly why we have a Second Amendment, BTW.
This is one of the bigger trainwrecks I've seen here at Rob's Flippin' Boards.
Pariah, started off with this one:
Originally Posted by Pariah
Trump will win in a landslide both in the popular vote and the electoral college.
and now he's spinning out of control, melting down with a conspiracy theory involving the FBI, the Republican Governor of Arizona, the Illuminati, the Rothschild's, and Colonel Sanders.
Even G-troll, in his infinite trolling, won't get that bizarre, so he's doing his usual thread hijack, wildly accusing "tHE LibeRRRals" of wanting gulags. He must have a very low opinion of his wife, considering she is one. I imagine the holidays, just like any other day, will be quite unique in the "G household".
All this over a fat, corrupt, draft dodging grifter, who wouldn't piss on Pariah if he were on fire.
Biden to carry Georgia after second recount: state election official
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Democrat Joe Biden is headed toward victory in Georgia in the 2020 U.S. presidential election after the state’s second recount, Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger said on Wednesday, rejecting false claims of fraud in the race.
“It looks like Vice President Biden will be carrying Georgia, and he is our president-elect,” Raffensperger, a Republican, said at a news conference after noting that no substantial changes have been seen in a second recount demanded by Republican President Donald Trump’s campaign.
Raffensperger, a Trump supporter, noted the findings so far in Georgia were in line with comments by Attorney General William Barr that the U.S. Justice Department has found no evidence of widespread voter fraud.
Raffensperger sharply criticized Trump for fomenting false claims.
“Even after this office request that President Trump try and quell the violent rhetoric being born out of his continuing claims of winning the states where he obviously lost, he tweeted out ‘expose the massive voter fraud in Georgia,’” Raffensperger said.
“This is exactly the kind of language that is at the base of a growing threat environment for election workers who are simply doing their jobs.”
Yeah, well, Raffensperger is part of the conspiracy, too. Zero Hedge told me so or something.
Yep while g’s trumpers party tries to steal the election and doing death threats to those officials that won’t assist in the steal is going on about libs and what their not saying. Some things never change. He did surprise me with the endorsement of the coup though but he wouldn’t be the first lawyer who tried raping the Constitution.
‘When the Bombs Go Off, the Blood Is on Mike Flynn’s Hands’: Retired Officers Blast His Calls for Martial Law
Less than a week after receiving a presidential pardon for lying to the FBI, Mike Flynn is pushing a call for martial law—and drawing sharp denunciation from other retired senior military officers.
Retired Army Lt. Gen. Flynn, who was Trump’s first national security adviser and before that his most important military validator, circulated a petition for martial law in a Tuesday tweet. “Freedom never kneels except for God,” Flynn commented.
The petition, from a Tea Party affiliate named Tom Zawistowski, implored Trump to proclaim “limited martial law” and order the military to conduct a do-over of the presidential election so as to reflect what it claims is “the true will of the people.” It explicitly envisioned “temporarily suspend[ing] the Constitution and civilian control of these federal elections.” And it also reflects a recent rise in desperation from MAGA now that Trump’s efforts at overturning the election have fallen apart in multiple courtrooms.
The petition even compared America’s bloodiest conflict to the current Trumpist inability to cope with an election loss. “Today, the current threat to our United States by the international and domestic socialist/communist left is much more serious than anything Lincoln or our nation has faced in its history—including the civil war,” it reads.
But the petition suggested that unless Trump is installed for another term, his supporters would engage in violence. “Without a fair vote, we fear, with good reason, the threat of a shooting civil war is imminent,” it asserted.
The nutters in the Trump cult doubling down on the insanity.
ATLANTA — In one of the most striking rebukes to President Trump since he launched his baseless attacks on the American electoral process, a top-ranking Georgia election official lashed out at the president on Tuesday for failing to condemn threats of violence against people overseeing the voting system in his state.
“It has to stop,” Gabriel Sterling, a Republican and Georgia’s voting system implementation manager, said at an afternoon news conference at the state Capitol, his voice shaking with emotion. “Mr. President, you have not condemned these actions or this language.”
He added: “This is elections. This is the backbone of democracy, and all of you who have not said a damn word are complicit in this. It’s too much.”
Mr. Sterling’s outburst of anger and frustration came amid a sustained assault on Georgia’s election process by Mr. Trump as he seeks to reverse his loss to his Democratic rival, former Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. Mr. Sterling, who previously said he had received threats himself, said that threats had also been made against the wife of his superior, Brad Raffensperger, the Republican secretary of state.
Having electors picked by republicans to choose Trump over Biden would be throwing my vote and everyone else’s out. Trump hasn’t presented anything that has stood up in a court of law. Trump’s Barr just chimed in to say there was no evidence that would have changed the outcome. Meanwhile election officials are getting death threats and harassed by trumpers if they don’t like what they hear. Trump eggs his base on with even people from his legal team calling for deadly violence for those that won’t help him steal the election. So you that’s the side you are on.
No, it would be throwing out hundreds of thousands of illegal votes where YOUR PARTY CHEATED and maliciously and fraudulently entered illegal votes. The evidence is overwhelming:
Votes flipped IN THE THOUSANDS on Dominion voting systems from Trump to Biden, to give Biden and illegal victory.
Votes IN THE THOUSANDS on flash-drives that were not counted "in error" or "a glitch", that somehow ALWAYS are errors that favor Biden and take votes away from Trump.
An estimated 1.9 million dead voters who somehow rose from their graves across all 50 states to vote for Biden. Over 21,000 (that have been detected) in Pennsylvania alone. Over 9,500 (that have been detected) in Michigan alone.
Votes IN THE THOUSANDS of people who have been contacted by phone and verified they never requested a ballot, and never submitted the ballot that was submitted in their name. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_Integrity_Fund
Votes IN THE HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS in all the contested states where Biden is the only candidate selected on a ballot, no down-ballot candidates selected. That's because Trump was winning by such large margins that the 3% vote-shift the Dominion computer algorithms were manipulating the actual totals to create were not enough to overcome Trump's lead. At which point in multiple states they stopped the vote-counting, so the Dems could calculate how many manual fake ballots they had to create to overcome and exceed Trump's lead in the votes. They did not have time to fill out the whole ballot, so they only selected Biden on those ballots. 450,000 alone created in Pennsylvania. Maria Bartiromo in my earlier Youtube clip (while interviewing lawyer Sidney Powell) details the exact numbers of these in each of the contested states.
Hundreds of districts with super-inflated voter participation as compared to previous elections, many having over 100% voter participation, more votes than there are people!
Does anyone REALLY BELEIVE that Joe Biden got 11 million more votes that Barack Obama? That Donald Trump got 10 million more votes than in 2016, and yet still lost to Biden? A detailed analysis will show that in many of these precincts, it was physically impossible for Bien to have gotten these votes, because the people and the eligible voters don't exist to make that possible. That the midnight votes added increased at a faster rate than the voting machines could have physically counted them. It's a fake, it's a fraud.
Add to that how dominion employees, clearly with something to hide are covering their tracks, deleting their self-incriminating Facebook, Twitter and LinkedIn accounts and posts.
How Dominion is suddenly moving its offices to hide that it shares office space with Soros-linked organizations.
How Dominion employees, pretty much all of them, try to hide their ideological fanaticism and support of Antifa, their ties to the Clinton Foundation, ties to Nancy Pelosi's chief of staff, ties to Diane Feinstein's husband who is large a Dominion shareholder. That Kamala Harris' photographer is a Dominion technician who helped rig the vote in an Atlanta suburb district on Nov 3rd, and is still in that position to do the same in the upcoming Senate runoff election in January!
You're such a partisan liar, M E M. What part of these *FACTS* do you not understand? The evidence is overwhelming. Your only option is to pretend the evidence doesn't exist.
General McInerny, a retires Air Force general, and the assistant chief of staff of the joint chiefs (and an expert on counter-intelligence and marxist insurrections) says this is no less than a coup by the radical Left to overthrow the United States government, and that if necessary Trump should declare a national emergency to prevent that from occurring. It took Al Gore 37 days to pursue his legal options in Nov-Dec 2000 in just one contested state of Florida. And yet Trump is expected to do the same in at least 6 contested states, or be forced from office. He could declare a national emergency and stay in power until a full investigation and legal process can be allowed to play out.
Right now, I'm watching the Michigan state Senate hearings on election fraud for the last two hours or so on OAN, with witness poll observers from election day, a Colonel who is an expert on insurrection and election fraud, other experts at detecting computer and corporate fraud, an IT specialist, and of course Giuliani and his lawyers.
I've similarly watched on OAN hours of similar hearings in Philadelphia and Phoenix. The evidence is overwhelming, if you would just listen to it. But you would instead rather just repeat the lying talking points of your corrupt piece-of-shit Bolshevik-Democrat party.
‘When the Bombs Go Off, the Blood Is on Mike Flynn’s Hands’: Retired Officers Blast His Calls for Martial Law
Less than a week after receiving a presidential pardon for lying to the FBI, Mike Flynn is pushing a call for martial law—and drawing sharp denunciation from other retired senior military officers.
Retired Army Lt. Gen. Flynn, who was Trump’s first national security adviser and before that his most important military validator, circulated a petition for martial law in a Tuesday tweet. “Freedom never kneels except for God,” Flynn commented.
The petition, from a Tea Party affiliate named Tom Zawistowski, implored Trump to proclaim “limited martial law” and order the military to conduct a do-over of the presidential election so as to reflect what it claims is “the true will of the people.” It explicitly envisioned “temporarily suspend[ing] the Constitution and civilian control of these federal elections.” And it also reflects a recent rise in desperation from MAGA now that Trump’s efforts at overturning the election have fallen apart in multiple courtrooms.
The petition even compared America’s bloodiest conflict to the current Trumpist inability to cope with an election loss. “Today, the current threat to our United States by the international and domestic socialist/communist left is much more serious than anything Lincoln or our nation has faced in its history—including the civil war,” it reads.
But the petition suggested that unless Trump is installed for another term, his supporters would engage in violence. “Without a fair vote, we fear, with good reason, the threat of a shooting civil war is imminent,” it asserted.
The nutters in the Trump cult doubling down on the insanity.
ATLANTA — In one of the most striking rebukes to President Trump since he launched his baseless attacks on the American electoral process, a top-ranking Georgia election official lashed out at the president on Tuesday for failing to condemn threats of violence against people overseeing the voting system in his state.
“It has to stop,” Gabriel Sterling, a Republican and Georgia’s voting system implementation manager, said at an afternoon news conference at the state Capitol, his voice shaking with emotion. “Mr. President, you have not condemned these actions or this language.”
He added: “This is elections. This is the backbone of democracy, and all of you who have not said a damn word are complicit in this. It’s too much.”
Mr. Sterling’s outburst of anger and frustration came amid a sustained assault on Georgia’s election process by Mr. Trump as he seeks to reverse his loss to his Democratic rival, former Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. Mr. Sterling, who previously said he had received threats himself, said that threats had also been made against the wife of his superior, Brad Raffensperger, the Republican secretary of state.
Trump cultists are so far gone it's sad.
It was sad to me up till they started their pathetic attempt to steal my vote. A wounded dying animal can be the most dangerous. Props to the truly brave republicans who are putting country above their party and getting death threats along with their families.
You mean the spineless RINO Republican turncoats who, like the Jewish guards at Auschwitz, were willing to collaborate with their captors and turn on their own so they could stay alive a little longer.
That punk elections supervisor weasel in Georgia, who looks like Roger Ebert in the video, is so full of shit with his idiot posturing. I've seen him interviewed for weeks. He whines about threats against Democrats (threats I don't support) and ignores HOW TRUMP SUPPORTERS HAVEACTUALLY BEEN ATTACKED EVERY DAY SINCE TRUMP BECAME PRESIDENT! One of the deposed witnesses for Giuliani was beaten up and is in the hospital now. Pretty much every witness has been threatened. EVEN TRUMP'S LAWYERS have been threatened, some of them intimidated to the point that they resigned as counsel. Facts you don't want to acknowledge, M E M.
Alleged threats against Democrat officials. vs. ACTUAL violence on a mass scale against Trump supporters.
The Democrat-Bolsheviks (and **NOT** just a fringe in the Democrat party, but many in the mainstream of the Democrat party, including several 2020 presidential candidates) openly advocate and cheer on purges of Republicans, of violence and intimidation of Republicans, even depriving them of the ability to ever work again. Black Lives Matter protestors routinely attack Republicans, and at some marches even carry guillotines and effigy severed heads. The worst threats of Republicans pale beside what Democrats haave done FOR OVER FOUR YEARS!
I myself experienced this on the job, where a female client on the job, 32 years old, who railed on and on with her politics for 45 minutes in her session with me in 2016 just before the election, how evil Trump and his supporters are. I played it neutral saying "Yeah, that crazy election, politics..." and evaded giving an opinion. She finally cornered me and said "Well pardon me, but... I get the impression you support Trump... do you?" And I finally said "Well... yeah!" She went wild, shouting "HOW CAN YOU POSSIBLY BLA BLA BLA!" So I politely and briefly explained that I saw Trump as a guy who had been both a Democrat and a Republican, a non-partisan, a business owner who understands economics and international trade, a reformer who could clean out the corruption on both sides. She thanked me at the end of our meeting for sharing a point of view different from her own, annoyed but polite, and I thought that was it. The next day, I find out she called my boss, and complained and tried to get me fired, JUST BECAUSE I DIDN'T SHARE HER POINT OF VIEW! I explained that this girl railed for 45 minutes where I hid my views, and only expressed my political views when she basically demanded it, and then tried to destroy me with it. My boss laughed it off, and just told me these are crazy times and she'd dealt with similar situations, that suddenly there is no longer a way you can deal with Democrats like this who become unhinged, and the only way is to avoid political discussion. Now I just respond to clients who rant politics: "Oh really, I didn't know that, I don't follow politics...." feigning complete ignorance and indifference. It's the only way. Any political discussion at all makes these wack jobs go wild. And I know firsthand, if you don't agree with them, they want to destroy you. When I'm not at work, I freely express my opinions, but not on the job. For 20 years I could have friendly playful discussions on the subject, wheter people agreed with my views or not, no problem. But not anymore.
One more thing about "it has to stop" (which is really just a call for Trump to give up his legal right to contest the fraudulent rigging of the election by Democrats.) The calls for violence come from one side, the Democrat side, and have come from one side FOR YEARS. And it has been endorsed from the very top of the Democrat party, FOR YEARS.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Congressional_baseball_shooting 2017, a Bernie Sanders campaign volunteer tried to kill multiple Republican congressmen. And was cheered on by some prominent reporters and Democrat leaders, who cheered on MORE shootings of Republicans!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unite_the_Right_rally In August 2017, Wikipedia's liberal bias has redirected the thesis of it, but it was a Democrat mayor, an entirely Democrat city council and Democrat city police force, who deliberately did not separate protestors, and set the stage for violence by pushing the 200 or so white supremacists off their advance-permitted protest zone for giving speeches. And armored Virginia state police [Democrat governor!] pushed them (captured on video, I posted it to that topic) right into a mob of about 10,000 Antifa, who hurled rocks and glass and bags of urine at them, and pelted them with clubs as they were forced to struggle through the mob for two miles with absolutely no police protection. Not to mention the 2,000 or so veterans and retired police who were NOT white supremacists, who had to endure the same treatment.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/January_2019_Lincoln_Memorial_confrontation Threats against Covington Catholic high school kids, who did nothing wrong, other than being white,Christian and wearing Trump hats. After multiple lawsuits against CNN and other liberal media, Nicholas Sandmann is now a very rich kid. Threats so sever the entire Covington school was closed for a few weeks.
Not to mention previous attacks and violence at speaking events for many years prior at booksignings and at college speaking appearances of Ann Coulter, Newt Gingrich, Milo Yiannopoulos, David Petraeus, ALL by the Democrat/Left, that go back way before Trump even became a candidate in 2015. I recall it beginning to form with the Occupy Wall Street movement and Antifa attacking a World Economic conference in the Seattle area, both around 2010, and continuing to build from there.
The point being: the violence is not caused by Trump. All this is organized violence by the Democrat/Left, and rationalizes Trump, capitalism, "the one percent", racism, climate change, or whatever contrivance they can wedge in, somehow is the rationalization for it. Democrats, both grassroots groups like BLM and Antifa, and the mainstream Democrat party leadership itself, use violence to intimidate their opposition, and manufature the excuse for their violence by whatever contrivance.
Even Barr who has been a reliable wing man for Trump has said there was no evidence of widespread voter fraud that would change the results of the presidential election. The claims of voter fraud by Trump have constantly failed in courts with republican judges even some appointed by Trump himself. I think it’s pretty clear trump is lying with his claims and drives his nutjobs to try to force election officials to do his bidding. Your Auschwitz vs Georgia republicans comparison doesn’t even make sense. Those people were doing whatever they could to survive the nazis that were in power. Trump is the one in power till January and it’s his fanatical base that is harassing and threatening members of Trump’s own party. You can’t deflect that. You are actually the turncoat choosing Trump over your country. It will never be okay that you were for throwing away my vote and god knows what else trump comes up with before his term ends.
Disturbing election night footage has emerged showing Georgia poll workers waiting for observers and news outlets to leave State Farm Arena in Atlanta after calling an end to counting for the night, before pulling out several large suitcases containing ballots from under a table.
The footage, presented by an attorney working with Republicans during a Thursday state Senate hearing, is perhaps the strongest direct evidence of potential fraud, and demands serious inquiry. In it, a handful of poll workers can clearly be seen staying behind after GOP observers say they were told to clear out. After the media packs up their belongings, the workers can be seen pulling out the suitcases and opening them at approximately 11 p.m.
Of note, earlier in the day, counting was paused for approximately 90 minutes due to what officials blamed on a 'water main break' - which turned out to be a lie, and was in fact a 'slow leak,' according to news.com.au.
Here are two segments of the clip, which we recommend watching on full screen (as well as watching the full video):
First, watch the media in the lower-right quadrant at the long table at 10:40 p.m. [...] Second, watch what happens roughly 20 minutes later:
And so we ask; if this isn't election fraud, what is it? We're sure Snopes will say they were having a midnight snack, but people have questions.
Link - Twitter: "From today’s hearing at the State Capitol. Not sure why Twitter has labeled this “disputed.” It is video from the surveillance camera at State Farm Arena where Fulton County election workers scanned ballots late into the night after falsely announcing they were shutting down."
Link - Twitter: "Footage of State Farm Arena in #Atlanta shows that after poll monitors and media were told counting was done, four workers stayed behind to count #ballots, at times pulling out suitcases containing ballots from underneath desks."
Rob, I know these boards aren't really your priority, but can you allow for Tweet embedding?
Even Barr who has been a reliable wing man for Trump has said there was no evidence of widespread voter fraud that would change the results of the presidential election.
And Barr has in response been blasted by dozens of Republicans and pundits, for ignoing the obvious evidence. Barr has made such a statement without having the DOJ or FBI look at one piece of evidence. I think Barr is cowering in anticipation of a post-Trump Washington, where the Bolshviks on the Left have been clear about wanting to destroy every former Trump official, once the protection of a Trump presidency is gone.
Barr has also been slow about investigating the clear criminal actions of the Obama White House, of the FBI (Comey, McCabe, Sally Yates, and at least 20 others), of the DOJ (Bruce and Nellie Ohr, Rod Rosenstein), CIA (John Brennan, Gina Haspe)l, and DNI (James Clapper), and others, particularly as documented by Sally Yates in her notes after a Jan 5 2017 Oval Office meeting, discussing their plot to fraame Michael Flynn, led by Obama and Biden.
Barr has allowed the Durham investigation to slowly drift away without consequence, despite overwhelming evidence, when it should have been out at least 3 to 6 months before the Nov 3 election. Barr, like many in the Trump administration, is loyal to Trump at times, and then suddenly only loyal to his own interests.
Originally Posted by M E M
The claims of voter fraud by Trump have constantly failed in courts with republican judges even some appointed by Trump himself.
That's the lying Democrat narrative you would like to sell. Giuliani has only presented 3 cases so far. And while I think one was ruled against Trump by a Trump-appointed judge, the majority of rulings against Trump have been by Democrat judges. The Pennsylvania court is 5 Democrats vs 2 Republicans. And there are mountains more evidence on the table now than just 2 weeks ago, thousands of witnesses, photographs, video evidence, the only thing working against Trump is the deadline factor. The evidence continues to pile up in his favor.
Originally Posted by M E M
I think it’s pretty clear trump is lying with his claims and drives his nutjobs to try to force election officials to do his bidding.
That is, of course, the MediaMatters liberal talking points narrative you've been spoon-fed. As opposed to the true facts, that abundantly demonstrate election fraud. There are more Biden votes than there are voters in many districts. Tens of thousands of dead voters. People who voted for Biden using the names of other voters, and deprived them of the ability to vote. Thousands of people coming from other states with fake addresses to vote in AZ, NV, GA and other states.
The massive fraud on the Dominion computer systems, and Eric Coomer, its head of security systems saying in an online Antifa Zoom-meeting "Trump won't win, I made fucking sure of that". Extensive far-left, Antifa, Clinton Foundation, Nancy Pelosi, and Sen Diane Feinstein connections by Dominion and its employees, who (consciousness of guilt) have scrubbed their business and personal social mediaaccounts from the internet .
Your saying there's no evidence doesn't magically make all that overwhelming evidence just go away.
In many states, if the proven fraudulent votes are thrown out, that would be enough to give Trump vitcory margins comparable to what he had on election night. He only needs 3 of the 7 states (including Nevada which is now back in play) to get over the 270 elector votes line.
Originally Posted by M E M
Your Auschwitz vs Georgia republicans comparison doesn’t even make sense. Those people were doing whatever they could to survive the nazis that were in power. Trump is the one in power till January and it’s his fanatical base that is harassing and threatening members of Trump’s own party. You can’t deflect that. You are actually the turncoat choosing Trump over your country. It will never be okay that you were for throwing away my vote and god knows what else trump comes up with before his term ends.
That's some pretty twisted facts and logic on your part. The Republicans I compare to Jewish guards at Auschwitz are ones who are looking ahead to a fanatic Democrat/Biden autoritarian state, who want to distance themselves from Trump before the Democrat-Bolsheviks seize federal power. And as I've cited repeatedly, multiple Democrats have expressed their bloodlust for a purge of Republicans, particularly those who supported Trump.
And as I said before, it's OVERWHELMINGY THE DEMOCRATS who are are not only making threats, but actually ACTING on those threats, violently. there has been an average of two attacks on Republicans daily by Democrats. One of those witnesses testifying in hearings in support of Trump, just an honest citizen exposing the evidence, was put in the hospital in the last few days. Yours is the side of BLM and Antifa and mob violence and intimidation, Republicans with few exceptions look to the courts and the rule of law. It is only the absolute lack of consequences for Democrat lawbreaakerss that makes some even think of violent retribution.
And fuck you, M E M, I'm not a "turncoat". You're supporting a Bolshevik marxist revolution that has made clear it plans to overthrow Constitutional freedoms, who have openly said they plan to stack the U.S. Supreme Court and lower court with leftist judges, stack the Senate by making fake new states out of Washington D.C. and Puerto Rico (neither of which qualifies as a new state), eliminating the filibuster in the Senate, and otherwise silencing all political dissent, to turn this country into another Cuba or Soviet Union. If it's bad for America, your piece of shit Democrat-Bolshevik party is for it. Yours is the party of the globalists and crushing American sovereignty. Yours is the party of de-funding the police, while simultaneously taking aways citizens' guns so they can't defend themselves! I'm not speculating, these are the things Demcorats have CLEARLY SAID they plan to do. Yours is the party that hates this country so much, they are tearing down statues nationwideof our nation's founders and heroes. Or openly endorsing it. If you had an ounce of common sense you would be terrified of the party you mindlessly support. Because once they finish off Republicans and the conservative media, they'll be coming after any Democrats who aren't pure enough in their Bolshevism. They will do to this country what the Soviets, Cuba and Hugo Chavez did to their countries. And like those in Cuba and Venezuela, you'll be so hungry you'll be looking for scraps to eat out of a dumpster.
Trump is the first president of either party in over 30 years who has resurrected our economy and national sovereignty, and pulled us away from globalism and the Marxism and chaos you seem to love. Trump has re-negotiated trade agreements in our nation's favor with every major U.S. trading partner, secured our border, rebuilt our military, and given us the best economy we've had in over 50 years, in many categories, the best economic performance our country has ever seen. Strangled Iran's aggression with punishing sanctions. Trump has contained and reversed China's aggression and our dependence on China. One year of Biden would destroy all those gains.
If you had an ounce of common sense, you would see that YOU are the "turncoat", who would cheer on Biden's selling us all out to China. As he has for the past 15 years.
Former National Security Advisor to President Trump Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn (U.S. Army ret.) spoke on Thursday about the price being paid by Americans speaking out about fraud and irregularities in the recent presidential election, saying that one was hospitalized in the intensive care unit while others have had tires slashed, their home broken into twice or been forced to move.
Flynn, who is a client of attorney Sidney Powell and is helping investigate the fraud allegations surrounding the election, spoke to Lou Dobbs via phone on the Fox Business Network to talk about his pardon by President Trump in the corrupt Russia collusion hoax investigation and about the American people’s crisis in confidence in the election and national institutions.
"“…[...] I’m aware of people who are witnesses, one of whom is in ICU, another woman who’s had her house broken into twice, another woman who’s had her tires slashed, [...]multiple threats to people’s lives, certainly to their job losses. I mean that, I mean, [...] woman up in Michigan talked about that yesterday, she had to move, change her phone number, she’s got two children, I mean geez. So, we cannot have that.
And, I have, I have at least one example, and, and it’s actually more than that but I’ll just–you know, one example of someone going to the FBI reporting what is clearly a crime and then never hearing back from them. [...] I’m telling you we cannot have that in this country in this crisis that we are going through right now.”
Sidney Powell said Monday night on Hannity that a witness had been hospitalized after a beating. Presumably this is the same witness Flynn said is in the ICU.
“They’re gonna lose their job. Their lives have been threatened. Uh, one witness we know of got beaten up and is in the hospital. There have been all kinds of repercussions against people who have come forward to tell the truth. And no, Democrats don’t like whistleblowers, they only like liars who claim they’re whistleblowers.”
The video clip of Powell’s remarks was posted with a heavy dose of snark by a Daily Beast reporter:
Link - Twitter:"This is just sad. Hannity takes Sidney Powell at her word that her witnesses can't come forward "without certain protections in place" and that they "require confidentiality" because their "lives have been threatened" and one has been 'beaten up and is in the hospital.'"
Watch Senator Parent lose her shit when as she tries to explain away the footage:
Someone's nervous.
I love how she tries to repetitiously use the phrase "debunked for weeks" and regurgitates the yarn of "where's your evidence" when it's right in front of her accompanied by sworn affidavits.
Does anyone know if there's a phrase for someone constantly saying "where's your evidence?" even though it's been put right in front of him? It's clear that the Demmy's have been using that as a first and last line of defense since they know that the mainstream news will quote that specific statement, and no other, as a means of deteriorating the case for claims of voter fraud solely on the virtue of their criticism.
There was a good Twitter response to her silliness: "The story was “debunked” when they thought a video proving the story didnt exist. Now they’ve shifted positions again, admitting all the impropriety in front of your eyes exist while trying to explain it’s actually well and proper because the very people accused say so."
Clearly, Parent was relying on the insinuation that "debunked" refers to something finalized--and typically it does. Unless of course, in actuality, it wasn't.
Former National Security Advisor to President Trump Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn (U.S. Army ret.) spoke on Thursday about the price being paid by Americans speaking out about fraud and irregularities in the recent presidential election, saying that one was hospitalized in the intensive care unit while others have had tires slashed, their home broken into twice or been forced to move.
Flynn, who is a client of attorney Sidney Powell and is helping investigate the fraud allegations surrounding the election, spoke to Lou Dobbs via phone on the Fox Business Network to talk about his pardon by President Trump in the corrupt Russia collusion hoax investigation and about the American people’s crisis in confidence in the election and national institutions.
"“…[...] I’m aware of people who are witnesses, one of whom is in ICU, another woman who’s had her house broken into twice, another woman who’s had her tires slashed, [...]multiple threats to people’s lives, certainly to their job losses. I mean that, I mean, [...] woman up in Michigan talked about that yesterday, she had to move, change her phone number, she’s got two children, I mean geez. So, we cannot have that.
And, I have, I have at least one example, and, and it’s actually more than that but I’ll just–you know, one example of someone going to the FBI reporting what is clearly a crime and then never hearing back from them. [...] I’m telling you we cannot have that in this country in this crisis that we are going through right now.”
Sidney Powell said Monday night on Hannity that a witness had been hospitalized after a beating. Presumably this is the same witness Flynn said is in the ICU.
“They’re gonna lose their job. Their lives have been threatened. Uh, one witness we know of got beaten up and is in the hospital. There have been all kinds of repercussions against people who have come forward to tell the truth. And no, Democrats don’t like whistleblowers, they only like liars who claim they’re whistleblowers.”
The video clip of Powell’s remarks was posted with a heavy dose of snark by a Daily Beast reporter:
Link - Twitter:"This is just sad. Hannity takes Sidney Powell at her word that her witnesses can't come forward "without certain protections in place" and that they "require confidentiality" because their "lives have been threatened" and one has been 'beaten up and is in the hospital.'"
That was on Lou Dobbs Tonight last night (Thursday, Dec 3 2020). It was Flynn's first interview since he was pardoned by President Trump.
And now, just a day later, another appellate judge is giving Judge Emmett Sullivan the opportunity to challenge President Trump's pardon of Flynn, after four years of completely unjustified malicious prosecution of Flynn for nothing more than FBI-manufactured perjury traps. So it's not only elections fraud whistleblowers who are exposed to this lawlessness and intimidation, but highly placed people like Michael Flynn. The message is clear: OBEY, and if you don't obey, we'll destroy you, we'll make your life a living hell.
Originally Posted by General Michael Flynn, On Lou Dobbs Tonight, Dec 2, 2020
"“…[...] I’m aware of people who are witnesses, one of whom is in ICU, another woman who’s had her house broken into twice, another woman who’s had her tires slashed, [...]multiple threats to people’s lives, certainly to their job losses. I mean that, I mean, [...] woman up in Michigan talked about that yesterday, she had to move, change her phone number, she’s got two children, I mean geez. So, we cannot have that.
And, I have, I have at least one example, and, and it’s actually more than that but I’ll just–you know, one example of someone going to the FBI reporting what is clearly a crime and then never hearing back from them. [...] I’m telling you we cannot have that in this country in this crisis that we are going through right now.”
These witnesses mentioned were in the Giuliani hearings with Michigan state House Oversight Committee members, on Wednesday, Dec 2nd:
And the Democrat state Senators on that panel, like the grassroots leftists attacking and threatening these witnesses, in hearings were similarly unhinged snots who lashed out at these witnesses with no impulse control, trying to threaten and intimidate witnesses, and clearly trying to sweep the clear fraud under a rug, completely uninterested in the true facts, or protection of these witnesses. Of particular interest is the testimony of the India-born female I T company CEO, (at 1:55 into the video) an the retired military Colonel (starting at 2:35 into the video) with an expertise in information warfare, and the statistical impossibilities he cites, as well as the Venezuelan and other foreign origins of the Dominion systems and software, and the built-in system vulnerabilities that were designed with built-in back doors for hacking and election-rigging, are things the Democrat Bolsheviks on the committe didn't want to hear. But the facts were presented, regardless.
Trump campaign files election lawsuit in Georgia, suffers more legal defeats
Trump's team and various individuals backing him have suffered a string of legal defeats around the country, including in cases filed in Nevada and Wisconsin that sought court orders to reverse those states' election results.
President-elect Biden won the election with 306 Electoral College votes - against the 270 required - to Trump's 232.
A district judge in Nevada on Friday dismissed a case brought by would-be Republican presidential electors and said they must pay defendants' legal costs after failing "to meet their burden to provide credible and relevant evidence to substantiate" any of the lawsuit's claims.
The Wisconsin Supreme Court in a 4-3 decision declined to act on a case that sought to have the court nullify the presidential election in the state and pave the way for the state legislature to choose Wisconsin's 10 presidential electors.
"Such a move would appear to be unprecedented in American history," Wisconsin Supreme Court Justice Brian Hagedorn wrote in his concurring opinion of four justices issued on Friday.
Trump's campaign has spent nearly $9 million on its unsuccessful bid to overturn the results of the election, including nearly $2.3 million to lawyers and consultants.
I think you're referring to Trump's speech about the election you posted earlier.
While not Trump's best speech, I don't see anything wrong with it. He still gave a serviceable overview of the evidence that there is blatant vote-rigging on Nov 3rd by Democrats, multiple streams of massive election-rigging by Democrats. And how just looking at how many thousands rose from the dead to vote Democrat, how many thousands came across state lines to vote under fake addresses for Democrats, how many thousands of Republicans had their votes stolen and someone else voted in their name with a requested absentee ballot to an alternate address, and all the twisted ways Democrat Bolsheviks rigged the votes inside the polling centers themselves, on and on.
There are many districts where there were so many fake votes, either by using fake mail ballots or by manipulating thousands of votes at a time on the Dominion voting systems on computer, that there is way over 80% voter participation in many districts, or even 100%, 120% and 130% participation! Also, the country went overwhelmingly for Trump, except in a few key Democrat-controlled urban areas (Phoenix, Albequerque, Milwaukee, Detroit, Pittsburg, Philadelphia, Atlanta), where in the middle of the night all of a sudden while there were no vote observers, these cities had an impossible spike in votes for Biden, that in many cases can be proven to be impossible relative to the population in these areas, and impossible in the speed these votes were processed, that exceeds the speed votes can be entered on these machines.
Now this one, on the other hand....
... is frigging hilarious, how unhinged and apoplectic the guy is. I think the big tough Georgia elections supervisor is a widdle upset and he's going to cwy !
As I pointed out before, he's so upset about threats to Democrat officials, but isn't at all concerned about Republicans who have been threatened AND PHYSICALLY ATTACKED, FOR YEARS, or upset about the whislteblowers who have exposed election fraud who have been put through hell , been doxed, had their homes broken into, been threatened, and will probably lose their jobs, just for doing the right thing. A lot more courageous than widdle Roger Ebert here.
Trumpers are not just issuing death threats and harassing democrats connected to the election WB. Republican and their families are also getting them if they don’t say or do what Trump really wants. Even one of Trump’s lawyers issued a call to have that cyber security head put to death for saying this election was a secure one. Trump also fired him. You really want a coup and hold onto power no matter what. This guy you’re making fun of is really being really brave and trying to protect his people no matter their political affiliation.
In a pair of stinging rebukes, one from a conservative Wisconsin Supreme Court justice and the other from a federal judge President Donald Trump appointed, two courts Friday balked at efforts by Trump and his supporters to toss out the results of the presidential election in the state and have the Legislature decide the winner.
The purple shirted woman from the 'hidden ballots' video, who's name is Ruby, apparently posted her own video about her future escapade and how she was going to be working pretty hard that night. Except, it wasn't just that night apparently...
Georgia ballot counter Ruby Freeman with daughter Wandrea “Shaye” Moss
Earlier on Thursday Cristina Laila reported on the explosive video that was revealed during the Georgia ballot counting at the State Farm Arena where crooked Democrats pulled out suitcases full of ballots and began counting those ballots without election monitors in the room.
Trump’s legal team showed a video from the State Farm Arena tabulation center when poll workers were told to leave at 10:25 PM.
A few “workers” stayed behind and were seen pulling suitcases full of ballots out from under tables to be tabulated!
This was the most explosive video of the entire campaign season!
We identified one of the operatives last night who was caught on video counting illegal ballots from a suitcase stashed under a table! As you can see from the video one woman in a purple top was filmed helping pull out the ballots and then sitting down to count the ballots.
One woman in a local news video was wearing a purple top. She later appeared in the suitcase video!
Her name is Ruby Freeman.
And she made the mistake of advertising her purse on her desk the same night she was involved in voter fraud on a MASSIVE SCALE.
Her T-shirt says “Lady Ruby” and her purse says, “LaRuby” which is her company. This was not a very smart move.
Her company is called “LaRuby’s Unique Treasures.”
Ruby’s purse was a hit and several fans wrote her on her LinkedIn page after they saw her and her purse on TV. They then commented on her LinkedIn page.
Ruby Freeman still has an active Facebook page (it was taken down Friday AM).
On her page Ruby Freeman brags about her “Shaye” being her supervisor. It is clear from a video that was released that Shaye and Ruby are very close.
Here are a few entries from Ruby’s Facebook page.
And here is a closeup of the woman in question via a Getty image. Her official name is “Wandrea Moss.”
Now there is video of Ruby Freeman filming herself entering the building to count Georgia ballots.
Ruby walks by several boxes of ballots just sitting around in the room.
The elections workers were each given their own secret cube.
Then Ruby goes to her desk and pulls out a tray of ballots on her desk. There is NO supervisor or GOP observer anywhere in sight.
And then Ruby leaves the ballots on her desk as she goes to take a break.
This is criminal activity. The State Farm Center was full of unsecure ballots and criminal conduct.
Melissa Carone, the IT specialist I reported on earlier, testifies that she is receiving death threats; has lost family and friends; changed her phone number; got off social media; moved; can’t get a job; all because Democrats like to ruin people’s lives, including President Trump. Video is queued to that spot, only about a minute and a half; the rest of the video has some good details into the fraud, as well.
Mainstream media is going after Carone HARD, giving her the Bachmann treatment: "She's female and and she's speaking up for Trump? She's hysterical! SHE'S A CRAZY DRUNKARD!!"
You don’t have the right to steal an election Pariah. Glad your cult leader can’t force his own party either at the local level or in the judiciary to win by coup. This would be a different story if all this “evidence “ could withstand any scrutiny in the courts but it’s failed to do so. Even Barr knows it’s over.
I do hate evil and those that would betray our country.
Neither the Georgia nor the Pennsylvania legislatures are being forced to call for decertification. They're doing so on the merits of common sense after the evidence has been revealed for all to see.
Not surprisingly you're avoiding speaking about it like the plague.
Which again begs the question:
Originally Posted by Pariah
Does anyone know if there's a phrase for someone constantly saying "where's your evidence?" even though it's been put right in front of him? It's clear that the Demmy's have been using that as a first and last line of defense since they know that the mainstream news will quote that specific statement, and no other, as a means of deteriorating the case for claims of voter fraud solely on the virtue of their criticism.
Melissa Carone, the IT specialist I reported on earlier, testifies that she is receiving death threats; has lost family and friends; changed her phone number; got off social media; moved; can’t get a job; all because Democrats like to ruin people’s lives, including President Trump. Video is queued to that spot, only about a minute and a half; the rest of the video has some good details into the fraud, as well.
Mainstream media is going after Carone HARD, giving her the Bachmann treatment: "She's female and and she's speaking up for Trump? She's hysterical! SHE'S A CRAZY DRUNKARD!!"
I would expect nothing less of the left.
She came off as a nut job and not very credible. Nothing needs to be added other than watching her talk to form that opinion. Nobody should be getting death threats though.
Pariah the Legal Beagle should pass his insights to Rudy and the rest of Trump's legal team. After having over 40 cases tossed out of court, methinks they could use some help.
Actually, I'd say Ruby is the "star witness" at this point.
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
She came off as a nut job and not very credible. Nothing needs to be added other than watching her talk to form that opinion. Nobody should be getting death threats though.
I'm more interested in her sworn affidavit than a mainstream narrative.
Beyond that however, I'm less inclined to take your word on who comes off as credible after you argued in favor of Rachel Jeantel's value as a witness.
PHOENIX – Republican Speaker of the Arizona House of Representatives Rusty Bowers said Friday that pleas from some GOP lawmakers to overturn the results of the state's presidential election are illegal and "cannot and will not" happen.
Republican state Reps. Mark Finchem and Kelly Townsend spent much of the day imploring their fellow legislators on social media to overturn the election results in favor of President Donald Trump.
Bowers said such action would be both illegal and inappropriate.
"As a conservative Republican, I don’t like the results of the presidential election," Bowers said in a prepared statement. "I voted for President Trump and worked hard to reelect him. But I cannot and will not entertain a suggestion that we violate current law to change the outcome of a certified election."
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The Washington Post has reported that Trump has collected more than $200 million in campaign donations after he lost the national election as supporters cling to hopes that the election can be reversed through the courts or state legislatures. The campaign sent more than 500 email pleas for cash since the election that often, if not always, repeat misleading claims the election was stolen, according to the Post.
Trump fleecing his moron followers one more time before he leaves office...
It's a pure and simple fact that the legislature has ultimate authority to call elections in Pennsylvania, and that Pennsylvaniaa's piece-of-shit secretary of state violate that state's laws when she signed an executive order to allow mail-in ballots to be counted many days after the Nov 3rd election date. And also a violation of Pennsylvania state law for the governor to rubber-stamp that illegal executive order. I've seen multiple legal scholars, including Alan Dershowitz, say they think Trump will inevitably win that part of the battle in court, if not the state';s electoral votes as well.
Likewise, the law gives ultimate authority to the legislaature in Georgia. (I'm not sure about the laws in Nevada, Arizona, Wisconsin and Michigan, but at the very least Republicans control the state legislators ig not the governor seats in many of these states, and at least can demand a full investigation in each state. ) And again: Where the hell is the FBI? Where is the DOJ, in what appears to be the most compromised election in U.S. history? Clearly hundreds of thousands of ballots in question, in each of these states. (I can answer that: about 97% of campaign donations by FBI employees went to the Biden campaign, and likewise to the Hillary and Obama campaigns before them. DOJ and FBI, and USPS and Stae Dept and the Teacher unions, are Democrat-occupied territory, and a corrupt arm of the Democrat Bolshevik machine.
I don't understand the timidity of some PA and GA legislators not to use the authority legally available to them, to overturn a clearly rigged election. Thousands of sworn witnesses, photo and video evidence. Not only for Republican legislators to do what is right in this election, but to set a precedent to keep the piece-of-shit Democrat Bolsheviks from doing the same in every future election. They may have been rigging elections back to 2008. They sure as hell were doing it in 2012 and 2016. An unholy Democrat alliance among the Democrat party, the Democrat deep-state ffederal agencies, the Democrat deep-state intelligence community across FBI, CIA, DIA, FISA court and NSC, the Democrat-zealot 93% anti-Trump liberal media, and the Orwellian Democrat tech and social media, along with globalists and billionaires like Mark Zuckerberg, Bill Gates, Warren Buffet, George Soros, Jeff Bezos, and Google that controls over 90% of online information searches. This is how a nation dies.
The conservative group Take Back Action Fund is sounding the alarm on millions of political donations made to former Vice President Joe Biden's presidential campaign. According to the group, more than half of the 2019 contributions Biden received on the Democratic fundraising platform ActBlue came from unemployed people, Fox News reported. That number has increased in 2020, particularly in light of the pandemic.
The organization decided to look at data from 2019, before the Wuhan coronavirus pandemic, to get a better idea of what donations were like at a time when the unemployment rate was relatively low – around four percent. Last year, 48.4 percent of ActBlue's donations were from "unemployed."
"After downloading hundreds of millions of [dollars in] donations to the Take Back Action Fund servers, we were shocked to see that almost half of the donations to ActBlue in 2019 claimed to be unemployed individuals," Take Back Action Fund's president, John Pudner, told Fox News. "The name of employers must be disclosed when making political donations, but more than 4.7 million donations came from people who claimed they did not have an employer. Those 4.7 million donations totaled $346 million ActBlue raised and sent to liberal causes."
The numbers are ticking upwards as 2020 continues on, with more than 50 percent of donations coming through ActBlue being gifted by those who are unemployed.
Data from WinRed, the Republican Party's version of ActBlue, the number of unemployed people who made donations to President Donald Trump sat at four percent. This year the number is 5.6 percent
Data from the Take Back Action Fund showed that a VERY high percentage of unemployed people donated to the Biden campaign pic.twitter.com/bnbVXeoBrH — Beth Baumann (@eb454) September 13, 2020 Pudner took particular issue with ActBlue's lack of verification, something he says could be foreign contributions, which are illegal.
"It is hard to believe that at a time when the U.S. unemployment rate was less than 4 percent, that unemployed people had $346 million dollars to send to ActBlue for liberal causes," he said.
Of particular concern is that "4.7 million donations from people without a job," Pudner said.
According to Take Back Action Fund, ActBlue allows unverified credit cards to be used for donations. This can create a loophole, something that was seen in 2008. People would buy prepaid gift cards and use those gift cards to make their donations. It was a way for donors to skirt donation limits. But, Pudner believes foreign entities could use this loophole to directly meddle in America's presidential elections.
"Auditing these suspect donations to determine if millions lied by indicating they were unemployed when in fact they were not, or if their names were just being used by a foreign programmer or someone else to move money without their knowledge, will take time," Pudner explained. "We've planned a series of forensic procedures to identify whether or not these donors of record exist or not, if they made the contributions themselves, and whether they were legally able, and whether or not they are potential 'straw' donors, making the contributions after being given the money and direction by someone else."
ActBlue has repeatedly defended their practices, saying they use third parties to verify their system. The company did, however, acknowledge "a significant portion of donors who report their status as not employed" but attributed those numbers to being "retired donors or full-time parents."
Pudner says donation platforms like ActBlue can switch their system within a couple of hours so it's more secure and banks have to verify the transaction is from a real life human being and someone in the United States of America.
"Choosing to use an untraceable system has a higher cost in terms of the risk of credit card fraud and also tends to incur higher bank fees. And this untraceable system allows someone with a gift card to make donations in anyone's name, even if that person never actually made that donation, or even if that person doesn't exist at all," he explained.
Even though Democrats repeatedly hammer President Trump for so-called "Russian collusion" – even though that was debunked by one of their own – we shouldn't be surprised that they fail to secure their donation platform. If they were truly concerned about election meddling, particularly by foreign nations, they would do everything in their power to make sure all donations are verified and no one could skirt donation laws. This is an easy way to keep elections from being influenced by outsiders. And yet they do nothing.
Hmmm....
That sounds like money laundered from wealthy backers, possibly from foreign sources like China or Russia or globalists, set up to look like small credit card donations, to funnel hundreds of millions into the DNC to fund leftist/progressive candidates and causes.
Who is very articulate and an I T expert and company CEO, Hima Kolanagireddy.
And regarding Melissa Carone, for whatever personality quirks that CNN likes to make fun of, is also an I T contract employee for Dominion, who saw more behind the scenes in the Detroit center's ballot counts AND Dominion's employees and business culture than anyone else testifying. I loved the part where some Democrat snot named Rep. Darren Camilleri was verbally abusing and trying to discredit her, and she goes "Did you sign a sworn affidavit under penalty of perjury? Guess what, I did!" and really put the snot in his place. Carone was a bit feisty, sarcastic and confrontational, and a few times speculated about things she did not see firsthand, but that was after she was treated with a complete lack of respect by Democrat House members. And her more cocky remarks should be viewed in that context. That does not discredit the facts she presented.
The other hearings have largely been just Republican state representatives asking questions, but the Detroit hearing (that I linked earlier, the full 4 hours and 30 minutes) was unique in that Democrat legislators attended. And it was clear in their insults and their complete lack of intellectual curiosity or inquiry that they don't give a damn what the facts are, they just want to politically discredit their opposition, and rubber-stamp a corrupt win for Joe Biden. They demonstrated themselves to be completely driven by emotion and ideological zeal, and to be one in spirit with the Antifa-like Democrat thugs in the voting centers who were shouting down Republican and independent vote observers, and cheering when they were thrown out of the voting room.
It's a pure and simple fact that the legislature has ultimate authority to call elections in Pennsylvania, and that Pennsylvaniaa's piece-of-shit secretary of state violate that state's laws when she signed an executive order to allow mail-in ballots to be counted many days after the Nov 3rd election date. And also a violation of Pennsylvania state law for the governor to rubber-stamp that illegal executive order. I've seen multiple legal scholars, including Alan Dershowitz, say they think Trump will inevitably win that part of the battle in court, if not the state';s electoral votes as well.
Likewise, the law gives ultimate authority to the legislaature in Georgia. (I'm not sure about the laws in Nevada, Arizona, Wisconsin and Michigan, but at the very least Republicans control the state legislators ig not the governor seats in many of these states, and at least can demand a full investigation in each state. ) And again: Where the hell is the FBI? Where is the DOJ, in what appears to be the most compromised election in U.S. history? Clearly hundreds of thousands of ballots in question, in each of these states. (I can answer that: about 97% of campaign donations by FBI employees went to the Biden campaign, and likewise to the Hillary and Obama campaigns before them. DOJ and FBI, and USPS and Stae Dept and the Teacher unions, are Democrat-occupied territory, and a corrupt arm of the Democrat Bolshevik machine.
I don't understand the timidity of some PA and GA legislators not to use the authority legally available to them, to overturn a clearly rigged election. Thousands of sworn witnesses, photo and video evidence. Not only for Republican legislators to do what is right in this election, but to set a precedent to keep the piece-of-shit Democrat Bolsheviks from doing the same in every future election. They may have been rigging elections back to 2008. They sure as hell were doing it in 2012 and 2016. An unholy Democrat alliance among the Democrat party, the Democrat deep-state ffederal agencies, the Democrat deep-state intelligence community across FBI, CIA, DIA, FISA court and NSC, the Democrat-zealot 93% anti-Trump liberal media, and the Orwellian Democrat tech and social media, along with globalists and billionaires like Mark Zuckerberg, Bill Gates, Warren Buffet, George Soros, Jeff Bezos, and Google that controls over 90% of online information searches. This is how a nation dies.
This is why you are a turncoat WB. You want to disenfranchise everyone to keep a lying corrupt piece of shit in power. The state legislature would have to break election laws that they passed to do your evil anti democratic coup....
The letter, released Thursday, reiterated the GOP leaders’ legal concerns.
“Some of the actions requested by our residents would require us to disregard the statutes and Constitution we have fought so hard to protect during this pandemic,” the letter states.
Along with Cutler and Corman, it was signed by Senate Majority Leader Kim Ward, of Westmoreland County, and House Majority Leader Kerry Benninghoff, of Centre County.
Specifically, GOP leadership cited state law, which mandates that voters, not legislators, pick a presidential winner. Also, they argued that the state constitution does not allow for the General Assembly to meet before January absent an invitation from Gov. Tom Wolf, a Democrat.
“Ignoring these state laws to appoint electors would :set a precedent that a simple majority of the General Assembly can override the will of the people as evidenced by the popular vote,” the letter says.
Link - Zerohedge: Alito Moves Up Deadline For Supreme Court Briefing In Pennsylvania Case, Bringing Within 'Safe Harbor' Window To Intervene
Supreme Court Justice Samuel Alito has made a critical decision which may signal that court's willingness to hear a controversial case attempting to flip Pennsylvania's 2020 election results.
Originally, Alito set a Wednesday deadline for the state to respond to GOP Rep. Mike Kelly's lawsuit alleging that a 2019 state election reform, known as Act 77, violates both the state and federal constitutions by creating a so-called "no-excuse mail-in" voting regime.
Many took the Wednesday deadline as political theater, as it would place the case outside the "safe harbor" window which requirest that controversies "concerning the appointment of all or any of the electors . . . by judicial or other methods or procedures" to be determined" at least six days before the time fixed for the meeting of the electors," according to Law & Crime.
In other words, the Tuesday deadline may signal that the Supreme Court takes Kelly's case, which was rejected by the Pennsylvania Supreme Court with prejudice last weekend.
According to Kelly's filing, the 'no-excuse mail-in' voting scheme should only apply in a limited number of circumstances, and that people must vote in person unless a narrow list of excuses applies. Thus, Act 77 and related election access laws should be invalidated - along with votes cast under it in the 2020 election.
More via Law & Crime:
In strict theory, the U.S. Supreme Court has no jurisdiction to settle Pennsylvania constitutional issues, such as whether the state statute at question (Act 77) violates the state constitution. Generally, such matters are the exclusive realm of a state supreme court. But there are exceptions to that general concept, Kelly argues, including here. Because the state is acting under a “direct grant of authority” from the U.S. Constitution to manage federal elections, the U.S. Supreme Court can become involved, he argues, and can determine whether the Pennsylvania statutory and constitutional regime of laws violates the U.S. Constitution. Kelly invites the U.S. Supreme Court to conclude as such and, perhaps more dubiously, that the state court’s way of rubbishing the election violates his rights to petition the government and to receive due process under the First and Fourteenth Amendments thereto. He frames the issues this way:
1. Do the Elections and Electors Clauses of the United States Constitution permit Pennsylvania to violate its state constitution’s restrictions on its lawmaking power when enacting legislation for the conduct of federal elections?
2. Do the First and Fourteenth Amendments to the U.S. Constitution permit the dismissal of Petitioners’ claims with prejudice, on the basis of laches, where doing so foreclosed any opportunity for Petitioners to seek retrospective and prospective relief for ongoing constitutional violations?
The “elections clause” of the U.S. Constitution is Article I, § 4, clause 1. This clause basically says state legislatures can set their own rules for elections:
The Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof; but Congress may at any time make or alter such Regulations, except as to the Place of chusing Senators.
The U.S. Supreme Court has said the framers intended the clause as “a grant of authority to issue procedural regulations, and not as a source of power to dictate electoral outcomes, to favor or disfavor a class of candidates, or to evade important constitutional restraints.” (Naturally, many of Trump’s supporters are attempting to do the opposite of that.)
One comment said it best:
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[Alito] should avoid hunting lodges in west Texas!
The U.S. Supreme Court has said the framers intended the clause as “a grant of authority to issue procedural regulations, and not as a source of power to dictate electoral outcomes, to favor or disfavor a class of candidates, or to evade important constitutional restraints.” (Naturally, many of Trump’s supporters are attempting to do the opposite of that.)
This would not result in the Supreme Court disenfranchising all the voters in PA and still not change the outcome of the election.
Like I said earlier in the thread, I don't believe this is going to end with the SCOTUS ruling that the election was fraudulent. If it does, then....*shrug*. Since the election was clearly stolen, such a ruling would sit well with me. But I believe that would be outside of the left and right limits of Giuliani's challenge.
However, if their echelon deems it necessary to void the results of the state on account of irregularities and obvious fraud, that just leaves the process in the hands of the legislature--which it looks like is going to happen anyway since Trump has not conceded.
Anyway you slice it, I do have a strong feeling that an audit is coming--a real one. It's probably going to happen after all the brouhaha, but the corruption would ultimately be revealed.
Statistical impossibilities followed by harassed/ejected poll watchers and damning videos showing mass re-scanning of ballots equate to that just fine.
You can claim whatever you want but if it can’t be proven in court than what basis do trumpers have to try to throw out the election? People who do evil usually try justifying it, I think that’s what you guys are attempting here.
Statistical impossibilities followed by harassed/ejected poll watchers and damning videos showing mass re-scanning of ballots equate to that just fine.
But of course, both Google and AP are part of the liberal/leftist global media conspiracy. Silly me.
It is like arguing about the existence of God:
a. "Give me evidence of God's existence and then I will believe." b. "You don't need evidence. You need faith." a. "But I won't have faith unless I have evidence." b. "Faith isn't evidence based. That's why its called "faith"."
You can claim whatever you want but if it can’t be proven in court than what basis do trumpers have to try to throw out the election? People who do evil usually try justifying it, I think that’s what you guys are attempting here.
I don't think we are seeing evil. I think we are seeing the same sort of mass disbelief that liberal voters experienced when Clinton II lost the election (against all of the polls except that of the LA Times). There was all sorts of scrambling around trying to blame Russian interference, Cambridge Analytica, Facebook... And all of these things were in play to a small but significant degree, but at the end of the day it wasn't a stolen election. Trump won it, and his election team were remarkably successful.
We are all in our media echo chambers, where we are given assurances that our world views are correct. When the world view is torn to pieces by reality, we look to conspiracy. Systemic voter fraud and corruption. Putin with one hand on the scales and the other up Trump's arse. The super spooky Deep State. Iranian trollbots. Venezuelan vote counting software (I love that one).
If Trump was to win again in 2024, and I'd say there was a really good chance of that happening if Trump goes up against Kamala Harris, DEM voters will be blaming Russia again because DEM voters could not possibly believe that having been thrown out on his arse, Trump triumphantly and gloatingly got back in.
You can claim whatever you want but if it can’t be proven in court than what basis do trumpers have to try to throw out the election? People who do evil usually try justifying it, I think that’s what you guys are attempting here.
M E M, I'm not sure at this point if you're a vicious fucking liar, or if you're just pathetically delusional in your Democrat partisanship.
More details of how the Democrat steal of this election was pulled off, more witnesses, more photos, video and evidence, are coming out every day.
At first your party was saying 1) "There is no voting fraud". Then they were saying 2) "Well, there's aways some fraud in every election, but no significant fraud." Then more evidence came out, and they went with the new narrative: 3) "Well, there was fraud, but not enough to change the outcome and Biden's victory."
Well, now we're at 4) THE NUMBER OF FRAUDULENT VOTES FAR SURPASSES BIDEN'S MARGIN OF VICTORY IN ALL 7 CONTESTED STATES ! Period. the end.
I've become increasingly aware that what the Democrats have done in this election amounts to information warfare, a branch of asymetric warfare against their own country. Where they have sided against the United States in solidarity with efforts of the Chinese communist government, the Russians, the globalists, and the militant anti-American Left in this country. And this is just "Trump Coup 6.0", in a continuous assault on U.S. sovereignty, that really extends back at least to 2012, where the IRS was weaponized to target Republican groups and win that election. And I would argue back to the Left's hijacking of the Democrat party in 2004, through a takeover of campaign finance of the DNC.
Yours is the party of rabidly marxist and anti-American Antifa and Black Lives Matter. Yours is the party of tearing down statues of Washington and Jefferson and Lincoln. Either by direct endorsement or by their passive silence, Democrat leadership from the very top down endorses the destruction of these national symbols, and destruction/"radical transformation" of the nation they represent. But more often by silence, your party works its evil best in the cover of darkness. But they hate this country so much, they can't help gloating about this destruction all to often. And there they show their hand.
You talk about "evil", M E M? Look in the mirror. There's no mistaking what your party is about. And it sure as hell isn't about preserving, protecting and defending this country. I wonder how even a zealot like you can try to rationalize it at this point.
You can claim whatever you want but if it can’t be proven in court than what basis do trumpers have to try to throw out the election? People who do evil usually try justifying it, I think that’s what you guys are attempting here.
I don't think we are seeing evil. I think we are seeing the same sort of mass disbelief that liberal voters experienced when Clinton II lost the election (against all of the polls except that of the LA Times). There was all sorts of scrambling around trying to blame Russian interference, Cambridge Analytica, Facebook... And all of these things were in play to a small but significant degree, but at the end of the day it wasn't a stolen election. Trump won it, and his election team were remarkably successful.
We are all in our media echo chambers, where we are given assurances that our world views are correct. When the world view is torn to pieces by reality, we look to conspiracy. Systemic voter fraud and corruption. Putin with one hand on the scales and the other up Trump's arse. The super spooky Deep State. Iranian trollbots. Venezuelan vote counting software (I love that one).
If Trump was to win again in 2024, and I'd say there was a really good chance of that happening if Trump goes up against Kamala Harris, DEM voters will be blaming Russia again because DEM voters could not possibly believe that having been thrown out on his arse, Trump triumphantly and gloatingly got back in.
Yeah that was rough but you know what happened. Clinton conceded the next day. She didn’t claim she lost because of voter fraud. She wasn’t calling governors to throw out their state election results or trying to pressure state legislators to ignore election laws and assign different electors that would choose her instead. Nor do I think the democrat base would have supported it if she had tried. And even though she won the popular vote I still recognized that he won the race electorally. What trump is doing and supported by a chunk of his base is a threat to this country. And it’s pretty apparent Trump doesn’t require a foreign country to deliver misinformation to his base since 2016. I guess we don’t agree about it being evil but I look at it as a real attempt to steal the election by rendering voting useless. This will fail but the intentional harm it has caused isn’t going to disappear after the trump turd gets flushed out of office.
You can claim whatever you want but if it can’t be proven in court than what basis do trumpers have to try to throw out the election? People who do evil usually try justifying it, I think that’s what you guys are attempting here.
I love how you're feigning confidence in the courts, but will ultimately condemn them if and when they start producing verdicts in Trump's favor--and I'm not just talking about the lead up to an electoral count. I'm talking about the proceedings thereafter.
Link - Zerohedge: Judge Allows Forensic Audit Of Dominion Voting Machines In Michigan
Authored by Jack Phillips via The Epoch Times,
President Donald Trump’s legal team began a forensic analysis of Dominion voting machines in Michigan after a judge on Friday permitted the examination.
“Our team is going to be able to go in this morning at about 8:30 [a.m.] and will be there for about eight hours to conduct that forensic examination and we’ll have the results in about 48 hours, and that’ll tell us a lot about these machines,” attorney Jenna Ellis told Fox News on Sunday.
“A judge actually granted our team access … to conduct a forensic audit,” Ellis added.
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It’s not clear which of the several election lawsuits the order originated from.
Later, Antrim County spokesperson Jeremy Scott told the Detroit Free Press that forensic images will be taken from voting machines used during the Nov. 3 election. Judge Kevin Elsenheimer issued the order regarding a challenge from voter William Bailey, who filed a lawsuit alleging that ballots were damaged in a recounting of ballots in a marijuana proposal that narrowly passed, reported Fox News. Elsenheimer’s order doesn’t mention the presidential race, and it’s not yet clear if the order allows Trump’s team to examine the machines.
The Michigan GOP last month noted that voting machines in Antrim County incorrectly switched 6,000 votes from Trump to Joe Biden. The Secretary of State’s office said it was due to a technical error and non-updated software, adding that the issue was later corrected.
Ellis, in the Fox News interview on Sunday, cast doubt on the Secretary of State’s claims, saying that it was “an unexplained and so-called ‘glitch.”
(L-R) President and CEO of Election Systems & Software Tom Burt, President and CEO of Dominion Voting Systems John Poulos, President and CEO of Hart InterCivic Julie Mathis testify during a hearing before the House Administration Committee on Capitol Hill in Washington, DC, Jan. 9, 2020. (Alex Wong/Getty Images)
Elsenheimer’s order said that Antrim County needs to “maintain, preserve and protect all records in its possession used to tabulate votes in Antrim County, to not turn on the Dominion tabulator in its possession and to not connect the Dominion tabulator in its possession to the internet,” as reported by the Detroit News.
Jake Rollow, a spokesman for Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson, told the Detroit News that the judge’s order is not clear.
“However, what we know, and has been previously explained on numerous occasions, is that a human error by the Antrim County Clerk prompted results to be reported incorrectly,” said Rollow to the publication.
“Reporting errors are common, have no impact on tabulation, and are always caught and corrected in the county canvass if not before, as was the case in Antrim County.”
Dominion Voting Machines, in numerous statements, has vigorously denied that its machines can switch votes from one candidate to another and has also denied ties to other vote-tabulation software companies or foreign governments.
The Epoch Times has reached out to the Michigan Secretary of State’s office and Antrim County after Ellis’s Fox News interview.
This story and future stories beg the question of "Why the delay?" If there's nothing to hide, then neither Dominion nor the Democrats have anything to worry about. This isn't an individual on the street being harassed by the state. This is equipment utilized by a contractor to hold a public election.
Originally Posted by First Amongst Daves
We are all in our media echo chambers, where we are given assurances that our world views are correct. When the world view is torn to pieces by reality, we look to conspiracy.
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...........This sounds familiar. In fact, it's eerily similar to what I said to you back on page four (as well as back in 2016). The only difference if that you're self-defeatingly framing it in favor of mainstream narratives with the wording of "conspiracy", and all it connotes, as an earmark.
But of course, both Google and AP are part of the liberal/leftist global media conspiracy. Silly me.
Florida-Dave posted one of them not ten posts prior to yours. The others are on the page prior to this one.
If you're going to pull a "gotcha" on me Dave, I suggest you do your research first.
That's what you get for relying on Google and AP (i.e. the mainstream).
Also, your video doesn't work.
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
Originally Posted by First Amongst Daves
I don't think we are seeing evil. I think we are seeing the same sort of mass disbelief that liberal voters experienced when Clinton II lost the election (against all of the polls except that of the LA Times). There was all sorts of scrambling around trying to blame Russian interference, Cambridge Analytica, Facebook... And all of these things were in play to a small but significant degree, but at the end of the day it wasn't a stolen election. Trump won it, and his election team were remarkably successful.
Yeah that was rough but you know what happened. Clinton conceded the next day. She didn’t claim she lost because of voter fraud. She wasn’t calling governors to throw out their state election results or trying to pressure state legislators to ignore election laws and assign different electors that would choose her instead. Nor do I think the democrat base would have supported it if she had tried. And even though she won the popular vote I still recognized that he won the race electorally. What trump is doing and supported by a chunk of his base is a threat to this country. And it’s pretty apparent Trump doesn’t require a foreign country to deliver misinformation to his base since 2016. I guess we don’t agree about it being evil but I look at it as a real attempt to steal the election by rendering voting useless. This will fail but the intentional harm it has caused isn’t going to disappear after the trump turd gets flushed out of office.
....You have been screaming and screeching for the past 4 years about how Trump was answering to Russian masters, how his campaign and administration were dirty, and that he was somehow going to face justice for it....And now you say this.
Don't get me wrong. I always knew you were full of shit and that you didn't truly believe what was being said about him, but rather were using those narratives to attack and destroy a perceived enemy regardless of facts (or lies)--just like Biden's rig. But in the end, all it took for you to admit to this evil was to have a conversation with a fellow traveler about evil.
Statistical impossibilities followed by harassed/ejected poll watchers and damning videos showing mass re-scanning of ballots equate to that just fine.
The Deep State disagrees with you.
I can't tell if that's condescending sarcasm, or an acknowledgement that there IS a deep state, that from the halls of power manufactures and spreads a deliberately false narrative to keep their ideological brethren in control.
But of course, both Google and AP are part of the liberal/leftist global media conspiracy. Silly me.
That one is clearly snark. But despite your condescending POV that it's only tin-foil-hat conspiracy to think the Biden victory margins were built on hundreds of thousands of rigged votes (there are thousands of witnesses and evidence to support that case) , that is exactly what happened. And the evidence is abundantly presented by Giuliani and his legal team, in hearings with state Senators in Philadelphia, Phoenix, Lansing (the 4 hour 29 min meeting I youtube-linked above), Atlanta and other cities. And what was displayed in those hearings is just a tiny fraction of the sworn testimony and photo and video evidence that Giuliani's legal team has amassed, with still more pouring in every day, faster than Giuliani's lawyes can process it.
Bottom line: Trump was winning by margins of 100,000 to 700,000 in all but one of the 7 contested states on the night of Nov 3rd, till about midnight. Then ALL these states stopped the vote-counting (so they could count how many fake votes they needed to add for Biden, to overcome Trump's lead in each state). And by the way, stopping the vote mid-count in the U.S. HAS NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE. But it HAS happened in Venezuela to re-elect Hugo Chavez in a similar vote-count-stoppage and late night dump that mysteriously re-elected Chaves, and again with Meduro, and in many other Dominion systems-controlled elections worldwide over the last 17 years..
Giuliani and and Sidney Powell have both gathered evidence and witnesses to demonstrate these tactics used in multiple countries since 2003. The exact type of vote-count stop and injection of a late-night dump of ballots to give the desired candidate the victory by a narrow margin. And beyond that, the Democrats cheated by at least 20 or 30 different methods, beyond the Dominion systems rigging. Manufactured fake ballots. Dead voters in the tens of thousands in each state, that can be proven dead by their birth dates and other personal info, 9,500 in Michigan, 21,000 in Pennsylvania, THAT WE KNOW OF. Voters with fake local addresses coming in from out of state to vote. Double-voting. Hundreds of thousands of identical fake ballots, where no other down-ballot candidate was chosen, only Joe Biden (Maria Bartiromo in my first Youtube link to the topic gives the exact numbers of these type for each state during her interview with Sidney Powell. 450,000 of these ballots in Pennsylvania alone!) Only Biden was selected on these falsified ballots, because Democrats had to rush out so many fake ballots in the middle of the night, they didn't have time to fill out the downballot portion to rig election of other Democrat candidates. And the identical systematic abuse and exclusion of Republican ballot-count observers in voting centers, in all these Democrat cities. Not even different types of abuse in 10 different cities, but the exact same distancing of observers, so Republican and nonpartisan observers could not possibly observe what Democrat vote-counters were doing.
All those cases where the ballots have no envelopes and were not watched by observers being removed from envelopes (many of which were perfectly flat and not folded to indicate Democrat vote-counters took the votes from individual mail-in envelopes) should be ruled invalid and thrown out. All the ballots where signature matching was not observed should be ruled invaalid and thrown out. All the ballots that mysteriously appeared, often in un-official black bags or cardboard boxes or suitcases, with no chain of custody, should be ruled invalid and thrown out.
And even without those exclusions, there are STILL enough invalid ballots to give the election to Trump. Pennsylvania mailed out 1.8 million mail-in ballots, and got 2.5 million returned ! How does THAT not result in hundreds of thousands of ballots excluded ?!? They can test the ballots to see if they were printed with paper and ink from some source other than official ballots from the state of Pennsylvania.
Vote center workers in Philadelphia, Piitsburg, Detroit and Atlanta were ALL observed scanning ballots, and then immediately taking the same stack of ballots and scanning them again. Re-scanning the same ballots up to 10 times, to inflate the Biden vote-counts. Votes that were for Trump, were repeaedly and deliberately counted for Biden, as witnesssed multiple times per hour by Republican observers! Postal employees in areas that were 90% Republican, multiple times took all the ballots collected and thrown away so they wouldn't be counted. Some of them were later found under a rock in a wilderness area. Postal inspectors ordered USPS delivery workers (who later testified) to set aside ballots received Nov 4th or 5th to be fraudulently back-stamped as received Nov 3rd to be fraudulently counted. These are just some of the at least 20 or 30 different ways Democrats manufactured fraudulent votes for Biden. Massive, systematic vote fraud, across at least 7 key states, and using the same fraud techniques, and the same intimidation and exclusion techniques on vote-count observers. And that all just happened exactly the same way independently across all 7 states. No, OBVIOUSLY no. Democrats trained supervisors in all 7 states to use the same tactics.
And again: Does ANYONE REALLY BELIEVE that Joe Biden got more votes than Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton? And isn't it odd how Biden decisively lost in Florida and Ohio, and even got a lower share of the vote in most Democrat states, but somehow got 11 million more votes nationwide than Obama? That Biden did worse in every part of the country, but somehow got a miraculaous spike in votes (after 3 AM !!) in all the 10 cities where he desperately needed those votes to win. How is it that Barack Obama got millions less votes in 2012 than in 2008, but still managed to get re-elected?
And yet Trump got 10 million more votes than in 2016, and yet still lost? There are many ways to look at the data to prove that the vote totals in these states were rigged, and that Biden truly didn't win. That demographically, it cannot be rationalized or explained to make sense. There are many counties in Michigan and other states where there was over 80% voter participation in Biden victories, and even 100% or 130% participation. More than the population of those districts! How can that possibly be checked off as a victory and certified for Biiden?
And again, this is only a sample of the dozens of ways Democrat election fraud gave the victory to Biden. How can that possibly okay and not be clearly invalid?
If you use the Google search engine, it will ONLY direct you to liberal-propaganda sources: New York Times, CNN, MSNBC, Washington Post, Yahoo News, VOX, MediaMatters, DailyBeast, etc. Increasingly I notice even if I enter a search for, say, "FOX NEWS Hunter Biden", Google's algorithms will STILL only direct me to liberal sources, not Fox. They have buried all dissenting thought, even buried dissentimg news media sources, such as Fox News, OAN, Newsmax, DailyCaller, Breitbart, The Federalist, JustheNews, Townhall, Judicial Watch... And most famously, in suppression of the Hunter Biden Laptop story and the Tony Bobulinski/Burisma story, the New York Post was shut out of Facebook and Twitter ! Hey, not a particularly influential source suppressed by the Orwellian media, just the fourth largest circulation newspaper in the United States.
I now have my homepage set to https://duckduckgo.com/ , a search engine alternative to Google (you can look up DuckDuckGo on Wikipedia). Only a tiny fraction of the country knows how to bypass Big Brother Google/Facebook/Twitter/CNN's authoritarian liberal narrative and information control. Hopefully over the next 4 years an increasing number of alternatives will emerge, such as Parler, to replace Twitter, with others who don't indulge in liberal suppression of conservative thought and information. So that Facebook, Twitter, Youtube, Instagram and others quietly die as their users go to alternative sites that are more honest and less partisanly suppresive toward one entire side of the political dialogue.
Originally Posted by First Amongst Daves
It is like arguing about the existence of God:
a. "Give me evidence of God's existence and then I will believe." b. "You don't need evidence. You need faith." a. "But I won't have faith unless I have evidence." b. "Faith isn't evidence based. That's why its called "faith"."
Respectfully, in your seemingly unconscious secularist bias, you appear unaware you are arguing with presumed certainty what cannot be proven by either side: You cannot DIS-prove the existence of God. In multiple U.S. Supreme Court and other rulings over the last 60-plus years, justices in multiple cases have argued that a gay/secularist/humanist ideological viewpoint is just as much a faith-based belief system as a Christian one. http://vftonline.org/Patriarchy/definitions/humanism_religion.htm
And homosexuality, for example also, (under the umbrella of secular humanism) that is given the facade of being "proven" and "science", is in truth still likewise unproven and a faith-based belief system. Homosexuality is not proven to be genetic or inborn. All we know for certain is that it's a desire. But gambling, alcoholism, pedophelia and other compulsions and sexual obsessions are not proven as inborn things we have to accept as "science", they are obsessive disorders, as homosexuality was labelled to be by the Psychiatric professional community until 1973, when a political wing of the APA took it off the list of disorders. But as I linked and sourced in the Gay Marriage topic about 15 years ago now, every year at their annual association meetings, pedophiles and other pathological groups try to use the legitimization of homosexuality to rationalize attempting to remove their abberant impulses off the list of disorders as well. So it's a slippery slope. And as I also sourced, about 20% of the Psychiatric community still treats homosexuality as an obsessive disorder. And thousands have left the gay lifestyle to lead normal lives with marriages and children. Some of these reformed homosexuals have provided a lot of research defining what homosexuality is. https://www.conservapedia.com/Homos...2C_Culture.2C_Sexual_Abuse.2C_and_Choice
I respect your right to believe what you want. But you shouldn't ridicule and condescend to others for not accepting what you like to regard as proven "science". It's not.
Eric Coomer, on his Facebook page had rabidly anti-Trump posts, and songs like "Cop Killer" and "Fuck the U S A", rabidly anti-Republican, rabidly pro-Antifa material, who in his job with Dominion traveled extensively to set up the Dominion systems in all the 7 battleground states (Dominion is in 30 of the 50 states), so he clearly was in position to do exactly what he said in the Zoom meeting. Since he was exposed by OAN, he has scrubbed the internet of all his social media and posts. Dominion itself has scrubbed its site of any mention of Eric Coomer. But others have screen-grabbed the evidence, regardless.
Dominion employees are all pretty equally far-Left, pro-Antifa, activist, and in one case came from the Clinton foundation. These employees as well have scrubbed their social media to hide their tracks. About 130 employees have largely ceased to have any evidence online they ever existed.
Gee, you might think Dominion has something to hide...
Dominion also shared office space with Soros-funded groups, and has very suddenly since the election moved to new offices.
But yeah, it's all just conspiracy theory, Biden won this election, why are you asking all these questions, Republicans! The DOJ should be asking questions. The FBI should be asking questions.
This allegedly took place in Georgia, but might as well have been anywhere at this point. In the mean time, China-compromised Kemp has denied the legislature's request to convene. Dirty dirty dirty.
They hand counted them too. Your problem is trump lost and the only way to change that is to throw out the election and make the loser the winner. Democracy is your enemy.
Army Colonel Cyber Warfare Specialist Phil Waldron rebuts the “no evidence” narrative of the media with white hat hackers, dark web evidence of passwords available, and voting machines connected to the internet. This is a highlighted clip of the email that was sent to the DOJ and Arizona State legislators from an IT specialist about a Pima County Recorder added fraud votes in the initial count to the Vote-by-mail (VBM) totals. Approx 35,000 were added according to the email from the whistleblower and more details of how it was added in the video.
' A spike in ballots entered that exceeds the ability of the voting center's scanning equipment to process in the timeframe the ballots were uploaded.
And that's just one method that they rigged the vote for Biden, in one of the 6 contested states. For context, Biden is currently declared the winner of Arizona by 10,457 votes. When you subtract the 35,000 fraudulent votes the Democrats injected for Biden, that would decisively give the victory to Trump in Arizona, by a margin of 24,543 votes. And that is with just one of the 20 or more ways the Democrats rigged the Arizona election exposed, not yet subtracting the fraudulent dead people voting, people from out of state with fake-in-state addresses voting, double-voting, illegal immigrants voting, on and on.
Yet another visible example of these cheating tactics is not just in Arizona, but also in Atlanta, Georgia, in the video clips Pariah posted. Uploaded by Democrat poll workers in the middle of the night in the largest spike of votes for Biden of the GA election, *after* Democrat poll workers evacuated the news media and Republican vote observers with the proven false story of a water pipe breaking, where Democrats could work for hours in the middle of the night entering 150,000 fraudulent ballots, unsupervised. All caught on video surveillance cameras.
And that's just one method that they rigged the vote for Biden. Many other examples exist, sworn to by thousands of witnesses in all the contested states.
You got me, MEM. No one else was able to figure out that posting that political cartoon would turn the tide for Trump, and was not simply a way to make gentle fun of you for your transparent flip-flopping on the possibility of election fraud
Others have pointed out that the U.S. elections data on Dominion computer systems was sent out of the country to tech facilities in Frankfurt, Germany, and in Barcelona, Spain (Scytl, another voting software systems company like Dominion), for the election data to be manipulated in Biden's favor and then sent back to the U.S. as the final official results. This report describes seizure of the the Frankfurt facility, by the CIA. Information wars expert Col. Phil Waldron again cites more details of the process of vote data manipulation, and former air force General Thomas McInerney, former vice chief of staff on the Joint Chiefs.
Link - Breitbart: Texas Sues Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin at Supreme Court over Election Rules
The State of Texas filed a lawsuit directly with the U.S. Supreme Court shortly before midnight on Monday challenging the election procedures in Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin on the grounds that they violate the Constitution.
Texas argues that these states violated the Electors Clause of the Constitution because they made changes to voting rules and procedures through the courts or through executive actions, but not through the state legislatures. Additionally, Texas argues that there were differences in voting rules and procedures in different counties within the states, violating the Constitution’s Equal Protection Clause. Finally, Texas argues that there were “voting irregularities” in these states as a result of the above.
Texas is asking the Supreme Court to order the states to allow their legislatures to appoint their electors. The lawsuit says:
Certain officials in the Defendant States presented the pandemic as the justification for ignoring state laws regarding absentee and mail-in voting. The Defendant States flooded their citizenry with tens of millions of ballot applications and ballots in derogation of statutory controls as to how they are lawfully received, evaluated, and counted. Whether well intentioned or not, these unconstitutional acts had the same uniform effect—they made the 2020 election less secure in the Defendant States. Those changes are inconsistent with relevant state laws and were made by non-legislative entities, without any consent by the state legislatures. The acts of these officials thus directly violated the Constitution.
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This case presents a question of law: Did the Defendant States violate the Electors Clause by taking non-legislative actions to change the election rules that would govern the appointment of presidential electors? These non-legislative changes to the Defendant States’ election laws facilitated the casting and counting of ballots in violation of state law, which, in turn, violated the Electors Clause of Article II, Section 1, Clause 2 of the U.S. Constitution. By these unlawful acts, the Defendant States have not only tainted the integrity of their own citizens’ vote, but their actions have also debased the votes of citizens in Plaintiff State and other States that remained loyal to the Constitution.
Texas approached the Supreme Court directly because Article III provides that it is the court of first impression on subjects where it has original jurisdiction, such as disputes between two or more states.
Tim Pool phrased it adequately. Texas has just NUKED the Democrats from Orbit. This suit meets ALL the qualifications:
1) It goes direct to the Supreme Court on account of a dispute between multiple states.
2) It was filed mere HOURS before safe harbor day, which puts all of the defendant states in dispute and de-solidifies electors.
3) Because this is a dispute between the states addressing the constitutionality--or lack thereof--of the past election, that means that Trump is not actually engaging in Lawfare since the Constitution supercedes the law.
Supreme Court Rejects Republican Challenge to Pennsylvania Vote
In a one-sentence order, the court refused to overturn election results that had already been certified and submitted.
WASHINGTON — The Supreme Court on Tuesday refused a long-shot request from Pennsylvania Republicans to overturn Joseph R. Biden Jr.’s victory in the state, delivering an unmistakable rebuke to President Trump in the forum on which he had pinned his hopes.
The Supreme Court’s order was all of one sentence, and there were no noted dissents. But it was nonetheless a major setback for Mr. Trump and his allies, who have compiled an essentially unbroken losing streak in courts around the nation. They failed to attract even a whisper of dissent in the court’s first ruling on a challenge to the outcome of the election.
The court now has three justices appointed by Mr. Trump, including Justice Amy Coney Barrett, whose rushed confirmation in October was in large part propelled by the hope that she would vote with the president in election disputes. But there was no indication that she or the other Trump appointees were inclined to embrace last-minute arguments based on legal theories that election law scholars said ranged from the merely frivolous to the truly outlandish. Mr. Trump and his Republican allies have lost about 50 challenges to the presidential election in the past five weeks, as judges in at least eight states have repeatedly rejected a litany of unproven claims — that mail-in ballots were improperly sent out, that absentee ballots were counted wrongly, that poll observers were not given proper access to the vote count and that foreign powers hacked into and manipulated voting machines.
They hand counted them too. Your problem is trump lost and the only way to change that is to throw out the election and make the loser the winner. Democracy is your enemy.
In which case, they were not AUDITED to ensure legitimacy. You can look at the footage for yourself. I know you're not going to do that, but the fact that you won't confirm the veracity of what you (claim to) believe by actually looking at the evidence.
The fact that the case is docketed doesn't mean the Court has decided to “hear” the case.
While the Supreme Court has original jurisdiction over disputes between states, it is not mandatory jurisdiction, which is why there is a motion for leave to file the case.
Under Rule 17, a motion was filed, so it gets docketed and the court sets a deadline for response.
Thereafter, it decides whether to hear the docketed case.
So, maybe the Court will agree to hear the case, but it has not done so yet.
I'm a little confused on how leave to file works both in this case and in general. Are you saying that one of the parties involved can move to have the case tried in a lower court? How exactly would that work? Especially since 16 other states have joined Texas.
But regardless, the big implication here has less to do with whether or not the case will be heard and more to do with the fact that, because it was docketed on the 8th, the election results--vis-a-vis the electors--will no longer be considered conclusive.
Incidentally though, what's the official process for SCOTUS deciding to hear a case? Is there some kind of codified protocol?
Originally Posted by MisterJLA
Poor Pariah will cling to anything Bone Spurs tweets at this point.
So you didn't know.....That makes me sad. Especially since you voted for Trump.
I'm a little confused on how leave to file works both in this case and in general. Are you saying that one of the parties involved can move to have the case tried in a lower court? How exactly would that work? Especially since 16 other states have joined Texas....Incidentally though, what's the official process for SCOTUS deciding to hear a case? Is there some kind of codified protocol?
The court can agree with the defendants (PA, et al), refuse to hear it and hold that the plaintiffs (Texas, et al), should have brought it in a lower court first. The codified protocol is (I think) that four of nine justices have to vote to hear it. The general standard for whether they will exercise the original jurisdiction is generally dependent on two factors: (1) “the nature of the interest of the complaining State”; and (2) “the availability of an alternative forum in which the issues tendered can be resolved.”
Plaintiffs are arguing there is no alternative forum given, among other factors, the multi-jurisdictional nature of the case. They are also arguing they (and their citizens) have a compelling interest in seeing that the defendants don't install a president who was elected in violation of the law and, in particular the US Constitution. Defendants, of course, are claiming the opposite.
Thanks for the clarification. I would note however, that PA hasn't actually claimed the opposite, but rather has attempted to scaremonger both Mike Kelly and the SCOTUS by saying that nowhere in history has the Supreme Court ever nullified a Governor's certification and that this will be "opening a door". The only people who've been arguing the constitutionality of PA's Act 77 are the ones who made amicus briefs about it being passed and then later gutted. But even then, it's false since it was never actually added to the constitution. They also attempted to play shitty word games by using the phrases "absentee ballots" and "mail-in ballots" interchangeably--which is, again, false.
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
The states made their “safe harbor” date so I think you’re out of luck in trying to steal the election now.
States legislatures have until the 8th to remove all disputes with regards to the election results in their respective states to pronounce them conclusive.
Why do you think Paxton and Cruz filed the lawsuit mere hours before Tuesday?
Texas has insured that all four of those state legislatures are now in dispute.
Will the they acknowledge it.....Eh. We'll see. But the door is open.
Addendum: as of now, 18 states in total are a part of the lawsuit. I don't think SCOTUS can ignore that regardless of any pressure not to seem partisan.
No surprise there and while it’s been fun watching trump lose over and over I’m angry at how far so many republicans were willing to really toss democracy aside.
Link - Breitbart: Texas Sues Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin at Supreme Court over Election Rules
The State of Texas filed a lawsuit directly with the U.S. Supreme Court shortly before midnight on Monday challenging the election procedures in Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin on the grounds that they violate the Constitution.
Texas argues that these states violated the Electors Clause of the Constitution because they made changes to voting rules and procedures through the courts or through executive actions, but not through the state legislatures. Additionally, Texas argues that there were differences in voting rules and procedures in different counties within the states, violating the Constitution’s Equal Protection Clause. Finally, Texas argues that there were “voting irregularities” in these states as a result of the above.
Texas is asking the Supreme Court to order the states to allow their legislatures to appoint their electors. The lawsuit says:
Certain officials in the Defendant States presented the pandemic as the justification for ignoring state laws regarding absentee and mail-in voting. The Defendant States flooded their citizenry with tens of millions of ballot applications and ballots in derogation of statutory controls as to how they are lawfully received, evaluated, and counted. Whether well intentioned or not, these unconstitutional acts had the same uniform effect—they made the 2020 election less secure in the Defendant States. Those changes are inconsistent with relevant state laws and were made by non-legislative entities, without any consent by the state legislatures. The acts of these officials thus directly violated the Constitution.
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This case presents a question of law: Did the Defendant States violate the Electors Clause by taking non-legislative actions to change the election rules that would govern the appointment of presidential electors? These non-legislative changes to the Defendant States’ election laws facilitated the casting and counting of ballots in violation of state law, which, in turn, violated the Electors Clause of Article II, Section 1, Clause 2 of the U.S. Constitution. By these unlawful acts, the Defendant States have not only tainted the integrity of their own citizens’ vote, but their actions have also debased the votes of citizens in Plaintiff State and other States that remained loyal to the Constitution.
Texas approached the Supreme Court directly because Article III provides that it is the court of first impression on subjects where it has original jurisdiction, such as disputes between two or more states.
Tim Pool phrased it adequately. Texas has just NUKED the Democrats from Orbit. This suit meets ALL the qualifications:
1) It goes direct to the Supreme Court on account of a dispute between multiple states.
2) It was filed mere HOURS before safe harbor day, which puts all of the defendant states in dispute and de-solidifies electors.
3) Because this is a dispute between the states addressing the constitutionality--or lack thereof--of the past election, that means that Trump is not actually engaging in Lawfare since the Constitution supercedes the law.
The evidence is RIGHT THERE in front of them, and in an act of judicial cowardice, chief justice John Roberts, along with Gorsuch, Kavanaugh and Coney-Barrett and the more predictable three liberal justices, just absolutely refuse to review it. Which is to me an admission that Trump won. The only way the US S C can avoid ruling in Trump's favor is by refusing to review the evidence of the case.
Samuel Alito and Clarence Thomas have made clear their contempt for justice pulled out from under them.
The ONLY way the Republican half of the country would ever accept the election results is with a full legal review of the results. And the obstruction of that by Democrats, by establisshment Republicans, and the refusal of the US S C to even look at it, just raises even more suspicion.
Roughly half of Republicans believe President Trump “rightfully won” the election, with 68 percent saying they had concerns about a “rigged” vote counting process in favor of President-elect Joe Biden, according to a new Reuters-Ipsos opinion poll released Wednesday.
Overall, 73 percent of Americans polled in the Nov. 13-17 survey said they believed Biden won the election, while 5 percent say they thought Trump won.
However, only 29 percent of Republicans believed that Biden had “rightfully won,” compared to 52 percent of Republicans who said the same about Trump.
Gallup and Rasmussen have similar or higher numbers of people nationwide who see the clear evidence the election was tampered with, and overwhelmingly reject the result, regardless of what the liberal media tries to sell, and regardless of what partisan or intimidated judges rule.
An overwhelming majority who believed in the integrity of U S elections BEFORE Nov 3rd, immediately lost faith in that integrity in the days after the election. Democrats, who don't give a damn about the rule of law so long as their guy won, mostly support the result. The facts coming out will increasingly reveal that the election was rigged, but by then Biden, and more likely Kamala Harris in a second coup, will have burned this country to the ground.
Rudy Giuliani, President Trump’s personal attorney, said Friday on Newsmax TV’s “Stinchfield” that the president’s legal team will continue filing lawsuits even after the Supreme Court dismissed a lawsuit by Texas which was backed by 17 other states and 126 House Republicans, to overturn the election results in four swing states.
Giuliani said, “The case wasn’t rejected on the merits, the case was rejected on standing. So the answer to that is to bring the case now to the district court by the president, by some of the electors, alleging some of the same facts where there would be standing and therefore get a hearing.”
Giuliani said, “The president’s reaction is to look at other options. I mean, we always knew that this was an option, that we would have to convert this into — in fact, originally, we thought about this as possibly four or five separate cases. So that is the option we are going to have to go to. There’s nothing that prevents us from filing these cases immediately in the district court in which the president, of course, would have standing, some of the electors would have standing in that their constitutional rights have been violated.”
I think it was a given that the trump was never going to concede. At this point though making it a democrat vs republican thing is shattered as the Supreme Court is firmly under conservative control. What you have is a pos that lost and instead of putting country first will continue the tantrum and lies. I wouldn’t be surprised if we see a major rise in right wing terrorism thanks to sore loser trump.
I think it was a given that the trump was never going to concede. At this point though making it a democrat vs republican thing is shattered as the Supreme Court is firmly under conservative control. What you have is a pos that lost and instead of putting country first will continue the tantrum and lies. I wouldn’t be surprised if we see a major rise in right wing terrorism thanks to sore loser trump.
We had a major rise in left wing terrorism (Antifa, etc.) after sore loser Hillary cooked up the “Russian collusion” BS so anything’s possible I suppose.
I think it was a given that the trump was never going to concede. At this point though making it a democrat vs republican thing is shattered as the Supreme Court is firmly under conservative control. What you have is a pos that lost and instead of putting country first will continue the tantrum and lies. I wouldn’t be surprised if we see a major rise in right wing terrorism thanks to sore loser trump.
In over 4 years, did DEMOCRATS ever concede that Trump had won the 2016 election, M E M? No.
Instead they tried ever deceitful, unlawful and criminal abuse of power to initiate multiple coups on Trump. Opening FBI counter-intelligence investigations, and a Mueller investigation, based on falsified and "salacious" (then-FBI director James Comey's own words in describing the "Russia dossier" in a meeting with Trump in Jan 2017, even as Comey and his fellow criminals used that same Hillary Clinton/DNC-funded hit piece Russia Dossier as the basis for FOUR consecutive FISA warrants to spy on the Trump campaign. Every last one of those in the FBI and DOJ who moved forward those FISA warrants and investigations should be in jail.)
In contrast to that open criminality and deceit by Democrats, Donald Trump and his lawyers are just pursuing their legal options.
And in further context, Al Gore and his[/b[ legal team took 37 days to pursure their legal options and concede in 2000. That was with Florida, one state, in contest.
How much more justified is Donald Trump in contesting the 2020 election, with clear multiple streams of election fraud, [b]consistent orchestrated Democrat election fraud, across at least 7 contested states, and further involving international espionage against the United States, with Dominion voting systems out of Venezuela, and sending voter information to Dominion computer facilities in Farnkfurt Germany and Barcelona, Spain, for further alteration of election data on their computers. China, Russia and Iran have also had a hand in campaign funding the Democrats' campaignh war chest and get-out-the-vote drives, as have Mark Zuckerberg, and George Soros and his huge web of front organizations. Now that the election is perceived as over by Democrats, the liberal media is finally revealing what they wouldn't disclose during the campaign, and even blocked conservatives an even journalists from discussing on Facebook and Twitter, and blocked in Google searches. The suppression of information alone influenced millions of votes, beyond the cheating. Guiliani has cited all this, and over $300 million in "dark money" that was funneled into the Biden campaign from sources unclear.
People who voted for Trump are threatened and intimidated, and leftists from Jennifer Rubin and Tom Friedman and others in the liberal media, to sitting Democrat U.S. Senators and Congress members, openly talk about purging former Trump officials and Trump voters and supporters, so that they "never rise up again". Republican officials at the federal, state and local level are threatened and intimidated from supporting Trump while he contests the election. Whistleblower witnessess are intimindated for coming forward, threatened with losing their jobs and violence toward them and their families. Trump lawyers have been threatened and left the case because of that intimidation. U.S. Supreme Court Justices are intimidated from supporting Trump.
As I quoted in the Breitbart article above about international election observers and what they consider suppression of a free and fair election, it's ironic that this Nov 3rd election fits all the criteria of what those international criteria would laabel a corrupted and unfair election. Even with all this intimidation and dark money, the Democrats still had to rig the election to win.
And the piece of shit Democrats celebrate the outcome regardless, just because their guy Biden, by whatever corrupt means, won the election. That's like celebrating the victory of Lenin and Staalin in 1917, or Castro in 1959, or (using the same electronic voting system!) Hugo Chavez. Democrats are corrupt to the core, and shameless about it.
Hillary called trump the night of the election and conceded the next day so don’t even bother with your partisan bs. The Obama administration also tried its best for a smooth transition like W had done for them. There is simply no comparison to the low trump is reaching with this transition. All this while thousands die of Covid while many others are out of work looking for a job during a pandemic.
Even if you truly felt that way g that hardly justifies trump trying to steal the election. This bitch can’t even call and concede like Hillary did.
Going to court, or any other deliberative body set up for that purpose, and arguing one’s position isn’t trying to steal anything.
Your position that people in the opposing political party should have no right to petition for redress of grievances is duly noted and, unfortunately, hardly surprising.
Bottom line he’s trying to throw out election results because he lost. Just because you can do something doesn’t make it moral or ethical. It certainly doesn’t make it beyond judgment, what you seem to be arguing. My vote wasn’t okay to steal and it won’t be forgotten that he’s trying to do exactly that.
Even if you truly felt that way g that hardly justifies trump trying to steal the election. This bitch can’t even call and concede like Hillary did.
Going to court, or any other deliberative body set up for that purpose, and arguing one’s position isn’t trying to steal anything.
Your position that people in the opposing political party should have no right to petition for redress of grievances is duly noted and, unfortunately, hardly surprising.
G-shill, well, shilling for Trump since he's a Republican. Today must be a day ending with the letter "y".
They are now asking WI’s Supreme Court to throw out their votes after Biden gained more votes from targeted recounts Trump paid for. The evidence trumpers swear is there doesn’t hold up under any serious scrutiny and fails in court.
But we’re not supposed to judge them for what they try to do.
Bottom line he’s trying to throw out election results because he lost. Just because you can do something doesn’t make it moral or ethical. It certainly doesn’t make it beyond judgment, what you seem to be arguing. My vote wasn’t okay to steal and it won’t be forgotten that he’s trying to do exactly that.
You want to put your political enemies in Gulags. That won’t be forgotten either.
Bottom line he’s trying to throw out election results because he lost. Just because you can do something doesn’t make it moral or ethical. It certainly doesn’t make it beyond judgment, what you seem to be arguing. My vote wasn’t okay to steal and it won’t be forgotten that he’s trying to do exactly that.
You want to put your political enemies in Gulags. That won’t be forgotten either.
Since I never said that how could you remember g-man? That was something you just created. I would point out that Trump likes to have some “lock her up” or “ lock him up” chants going at his super spreader events.
Well I won?t take trump or ruddies word for it. Like I said they can take their ?evidence ? to court... Our votes matter and it is not up to the loser to decide if they did indeed lost.
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
...I think Biden needs to hold out the hand for unity but folks like Lindsay Graham that were actively trying to overturn the election need to pay for betraying their country.
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
I would like to think I would be better than those in your party that are trying to throw out an election...
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
...Do you really want to be on record as not having any discernible issue with the attempted coup going on?
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
Exposure without proof isn’t really exposure. You trying to throw my vote out isn’t going to be okay Pariah. Nor forgotten.
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
You try to throw my vote away too WB...
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
I’m not for gulags but I now know you and WB would throw my vote out and everyone else’s too.....
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
Yep while g’s trumpers party tries to steal the election and doing death threats to those officials that won’t assist in the steal is going on about libs and what their not saying. Some things never change. He did surprise me with the endorsement of the coup though but he wouldn’t be the first lawyer who tried raping the Constitution.
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
It was sad to me up till they started their pathetic attempt to steal my vote. A wounded dying animal can be the most dangerous. Props to the truly brave republicans who are putting country above their party and getting death threats along with their families.
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
You are actually the turncoat choosing Trump over your country. It will never be okay that you were for throwing away my vote and god knows what else trump comes up with before his term ends.
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
You really want a coup and hold onto power no matter what.
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
This is why you are a turncoat WB. You want to disenfranchise everyone to keep a lying corrupt piece of shit in power. The state legislature would have to break election laws that they passed to do your evil anti democratic coup....
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
You can claim whatever you want but if it can’t be proven in court....
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
I guess we don’t agree about it being evil but I look at it as a real attempt to steal the election by rendering voting useless...
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
...I’m angry at how far so many republicans were willing to really toss democracy aside.
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
They are now asking WI’s Supreme Court to throw out their votes....
Let's all take a moment to chuckle at MEM destroying his own premises:
Originally Posted by SCOTUS
The State of Texas' motion for Leave to File a bill of complaint is denied for lack of standing under Article III of the Constitution. Texas has not demonstrated a judicially cognizable interest in the manner in which another State conducts its elections.
The highest court in the land has already heretofore determined that Texas and, by extension, Minnesota has no say in how WI, MI, PA, and GA conduct their voting process. In which case, if the State Legislatures pick their electors irrespective of compromised vote totals, nothing has been "stolen" and no "coup" will have taken place. As such, the courts' authority--to which your integrity is so beholden--has already undermined your accusations.
Yep you are for stealing an election Pariah. I and I hope everyone that loves our country remembers what you and the others tried and failed to do and vote out the Cruz’s and Graham’s that enabled this failed coup. No need for a dog whistle, I hate evil
I love how you're feigning confidence in the courts, but will ultimately condemn them if and when they start producing verdicts in Trump's favor--and I'm not just talking about the lead up to an electoral count. I'm talking about the proceedings thereafter.
Are you even making sense to yourself Pariah? Many of the states have laws tying the electors to the states votes. There are none that say legislatures can decide to break the law and pick the loser instead. The founding fathers rejected the tyranny you want now. I reject it also.
Link - Breitbart: Texas Sues Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin at Supreme Court over Election Rules
The State of Texas filed a lawsuit directly with the U.S. Supreme Court shortly before midnight on Monday challenging the election procedures in Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin on the grounds that they violate the Constitution.
Texas argues that these states violated the Electors Clause of the Constitution because they made changes to voting rules and procedures through the courts or through executive actions, but not through the state legislatures. Additionally, Texas argues that there were differences in voting rules and procedures in different counties within the states, violating the Constitution’s Equal Protection Clause. Finally, Texas argues that there were “voting irregularities” in these states as a result of the above.
Texas is asking the Supreme Court to order the states to allow their legislatures to appoint their electors. The lawsuit says:
Certain officials in the Defendant States presented the pandemic as the justification for ignoring state laws regarding absentee and mail-in voting. The Defendant States flooded their citizenry with tens of millions of ballot applications and ballots in derogation of statutory controls as to how they are lawfully received, evaluated, and counted. Whether well intentioned or not, these unconstitutional acts had the same uniform effect—they made the 2020 election less secure in the Defendant States. Those changes are inconsistent with relevant state laws and were made by non-legislative entities, without any consent by the state legislatures. The acts of these officials thus directly violated the Constitution.
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This case presents a question of law: Did the Defendant States violate the Electors Clause by taking non-legislative actions to change the election rules that would govern the appointment of presidential electors? These non-legislative changes to the Defendant States’ election laws facilitated the casting and counting of ballots in violation of state law, which, in turn, violated the Electors Clause of Article II, Section 1, Clause 2 of the U.S. Constitution. By these unlawful acts, the Defendant States have not only tainted the integrity of their own citizens’ vote, but their actions have also debased the votes of citizens in Plaintiff State and other States that remained loyal to the Constitution.
Texas approached the Supreme Court directly because Article III provides that it is the court of first impression on subjects where it has original jurisdiction, such as disputes between two or more states.
Tim Pool phrased it adequately. Texas has just NUKED the Democrats from Orbit. This suit meets ALL the qualifications:
1) It goes direct to the Supreme Court on account of a dispute between multiple states.
2) It was filed mere HOURS before safe harbor day, which puts all of the defendant states in dispute and de-solidifies electors.
3) Because this is a dispute between the states addressing the constitutionality--or lack thereof--of the past election, that means that Trump is not actually engaging in Lawfare since the Constitution supercedes the law.
Are you even making sense to yourself Pariah? Many of the states have laws tying the electors to the states votes. There are none that say legislatures can decide to break the law and pick the loser instead. The founding fathers rejected the tyranny you want now. I reject it also.
That is up to the legislature. In which case, if they don't have confidence in the vote, there's nothing binding them to the precedent of adhering to a (alleged) majority.
Laws do not subvert the Constitution. It's the other way around. And the only way to make "laws" that force the legislature to abide by such rules that you think exist is by amending it. In any other instance, laws can only enhance what's already there, but not supersede it.
Article II says hello.
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The Electors shall meet in their respective States, and vote by Ballot for two Persons, of whom one at least shall not be an Inhabitant of the same State with themselves. And they shall make a List of all the Persons voted for, and of the Number of Votes for each; which List they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the Seat of the Government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate. The President of the Senate shall, in the Presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the Certificates, and the Votes shall then be counted. The Person having the greatest Number of Votes shall be the President, if such Number be a Majority of the whole Number of Electors appointed; and if there be more than one who have such Majority, and have an equal Number of Votes, then the House of Representatives shall immediately chuse by Ballot one of them for President; and if no Person have a Majority, then from the five highest on the List the said House shall in like Manner chuse the President. But in chusing the President, the Votes shall be taken by States, the Representation from each State having one Vote; A quorum for this Purpose shall consist of a Member or Members from two thirds of the States, and a Majority of all the States shall be necessary to a Choice. In every Case, after the Choice of the President, the Person having the greatest Number of Votes of the Electors shall be the Vice President. But if there should remain two or more who have equal Votes, the Senate shall chuse from them by Ballot the Vice President.
The Congress may determine the Time of chusing the Electors, and the Day on which they shall give their Votes; which Day shall be the same throughout the United States.
Courtesy of the Founding Fathers.
And still the most likely course of action IMO.
....Althooooough...The slow (steady) leak of info regarding politicians compromised by China (see also: Swalwell, Bidens, et al) in tandem with our current election woes does give credence to the speculators pushing the Executive Order theory...
And the legislature did choose how the electors are picked though through the election laws they passed. None of them say that they can just throw the votes away and keep the loser in power. Like I said the founding fathers rejected the tyranny you want Pariah. You’re trying to put in a cheat that simply doesn’t exist.
And the legislature did choose how the electors are picked though through the election laws they passed. None of them say that they can just throw the votes away and keep the loser in power. Like I said the founding fathers rejected the tyranny you want Pariah. You’re trying to put in a cheat that simply doesn’t exist.
Laws do not subvert the Constitution. It's the other way around. And the only way to make "laws" that force the legislature to abide by such rules that you think exist is by amending it.
Well I guess we shall soon see who is right Pariah. Tomorrow the electoral votes are cast. I do believe you like the other trumpers that want to subvert the will of the people are grasping at anything and everything. The last bit will probably be when pence is counting the electoral votes. There trumpers can stretch that out but they don’t have control of the house and it’s doubtful enough senate republicans would be all in for a futile attempt to throw out the election results.
I hope this doesn’t end up being consequence free for those elected officials that aided trump with this failed coup but that will be really up to the voters to decide in 2022 and future elections.
Hillary called trump the night of the election and conceded the next day so don’t even bother with your partisan bs. The Obama administration also tried its best for a smooth transition like W had done for them. There is simply no comparison to the low trump is reaching with this transition. All this while thousands die of Covid while many others are out of work looking for a job during a pandemic.
You're so full of shit, M E M.
It's well documented (and I quoted and linked it in the Election Day 2016 topic), that Hillary Clinton was in an apoplectic rage on election night 2016. In such a rage that she phyisically attacked two of her closest aides, John Podesta, and Robby Mook. It was under pressure from those in her own party that Hillary Clinton gave a phone call to Trump on election night, but she was mentally incapaable of going on stage that night to personally concede. It was a distraught John Podesta who came out on stage to say Hillary would NOT concede that night. (So you flatout lied, M E M) That is how mentally unbalanced Hillary was that night. She couldn't even come out to thank her campaign workers for their efforts, to even provide that basic courtesy to her supporters.
According to the authors of Shattered: Inside Hillary Clinton's Doomed Campaign, by late Tuesday night the White House had concluded that Trump would win the election. Obama's political director David Simas called Clinton campaign manager Robby Mook to persuade Clinton to concede the election, with no success. Obama then called Clinton directly, citing the importance of continuity of government, to ask her to publicly acknowledge that Trump had won.[367] Believing that Clinton was still unwilling to concede, the president then called her campaign chair John Podesta, but the call to Clinton had likely already persuaded her.[368]
After networks called Pennsylvania for Donald Trump, putting him with 264 electoral votes while he had a five-point lead in Arizona, which gives eleven electoral votes that would put Trump above the majority of 270, Clinton realized she had no chance to win the election and called Trump early Wednesday morning to concede defeat.[369] Clinton was unable to make a public concession that night, as she had no concession speech written.[370]
On Wednesday morning at 2:30 a.m. Eastern Time (ET), it was reported that Trump had secured Wisconsin's 10 electoral votes, giving him a majority of the 538 electors in the Electoral College, enough to make him the president-elect of the United States,[371] and at 2:50 a.m. Trump gave his victory speech.[371]
Later that day, Clinton asked her supporters to accept the result and hoped that Trump would be "a successful president for all Americans."[372] In his speech, Trump appealed for unity, saying "it is time for us to come together as one united people", and praised Clinton as someone who was owed "a major debt of gratitude for her service to our country."[373]
Someone behaved presidentially on election night, but it sure as hell wasn't Hillary Clinton. And despite her hypocritical words quoted above, she never stopped undermining Trump and calling him "illegitimate" during the last 4 years. Nor did the entire Democrat-Bolshevik party, a large slive of whom wouldn't even attend Trump's Jan 2017 inauguration.
And Obama didn't give Trump a peaceful transition either, Obama personally] orchestrated the attacks by the FBI and DOJ on Trump's campaign and presidency As evidenced by the August 2016 text messages between Peter Strzok and Lisa Page: "POTUS wants to see everything we are working on". And: Sally Yates' memo of a Jan 5 2017 Oval Office meeting of Obama, Biden, Yates, Comey, Clapper, Brennan, and Susan Rice, where Yates described her astonishment that Obama had the FISA transcripts of Michael Flynn's phone calls with the Russian ambassador that he briefed the others there about, and Obama personally instructed Comey to select "the right people" (i.e., criminal/partisan Democrat loyalists within in the FBI) to orchestrate the perjury trap on Flynn to destroy Flynn, to prevent Flynn from discovering the criminal actions of Obama in the Iran nuclear deal, and Obama's abuse and weaponization of intelligence agencies against Trump and Republicans. And it was Biden who suggested using the Logan Act to indict Flynn, a law that was made over 200 years ago and has never been used to prosecute anyone, until Flynn.
That's in addition to Obama more than doubling the staff of the National Security Council before the end of his term, and stacking it with Democrat partisans who leaked top secret information and undermined Trump from within for the ffirst two years of his presidency. Two of whom were Alexander Vindman and Eric Ciaramela.
And Obama weaponizing the IRS against Tea Party groups, religious conservative groups, and large Republican donors like Frank Vandersloot, who had to spend $80,000 in legal fees just to prove he wasn't guilty of anything. That Obama and the IRS persecuted just to intimidate potential Republican support in future elections.
Now ALL OF THAT, AND MORE BY OBAMA AND HILLARY AND THEIR THUG OPERATIVES, is not "trying their best for a smooth transition", and is in fact the TRUE "new low reached in a transition".
Also, Al Gore took 37 days to concede, and just as Trump did, Gore pursued all his legal options. With no evidence of election tampering in that 2000 election. As compared to millions of votes in the 2020 election compromised by election fraud, and abundant witnesses, affidavits, photo- and video-evidencee, and forensic evidence in the Dominion computer systems as well. As well as ties to foreign intervention spreading to Venezuela, Germany and Barcelona, China, Russia and Iran. As well as "Trump won't win, I made f--ing sure of that" Dominion security head Eric Coomer. The point being: Trump isn't being a bad sport in refusing to concede an election he allegedly lost, there is ABUNDANT evidence that the Democrats tainted the election, and he should not concede until every last bit of that evidence is reviewed. Not just dismissed by partisan or intimidated judges, but THOROUGHLY REVIEWED.
You also imply Trump did something wrong in the containment of Covid-19 without ever providing any facts to support that lie.
Trump in fact: (1) suspended all travel from China, over 5,000 people a day, that early on even Fauci and Redfield (who both advised against suspending travel) said it was a very good strategic move and saved countless thousands of lives, and bought the nation time to medically prepare, (2) a similar suspension of travel from Europe at the peak of their outbreak, (3) Trump secured the Southern border from illegal immigrants during the months prior to the outbreak, again something Obama, Biden or Hillary would NEVER NEVER do, that also prevented another huge avenue of potential uncontrolled outbreak. Biden is already telegraphing he will completely destroy bordr security, and apprehensions have already risen 550% since October. (4) Trump began a trade war with China in the year prior to the outbreak, that vastly decreased U.S. dependency on China for supply for medical PPE, food and everything else. (5) Trump cut funding for the World Health Organization (WHO) due to WHO's deceit that halped endanger the U.S. and the rest of the world, where China cut all INTERNAL airline flights within China, but calculatedly allowed flights OUT of China to infect and economically damage the rest of the world. (6) Trump orchestrated a joint effort of public and private sectors in first mass producing medical PPE equipment in short supply (thanks to Obama) and mass producing life-saving ventilator machines at a mass number no one thought possible, to the point we were able to give some of our surplus to other countries less prepared, like Mexico and European nations. And ultimately (7) Trump fast-tracked a vaccine for Covid-19, in an incredible 9 months, what would normally take 2 or 3 years at best to create and distribute.
Compare with handling of the previous Swine flu and Ebola outbreaks during the Obama administration, to see how ***FAR*** superior Trump's response was to a national threat, as compared to the complete incompetence in the Obama administration, as admitted by V P Joe Biden's then-chief-of-staff Ron Klain, who admitted they did nothing to contain those two outbreaks, and that the Obama administration was "vaery lucky" those outbreaks were not far worse, because they were unable to manage any effort to contain them. Polar opposite the leadership of Trump.
Whatever WB, you seem to acknowledge that Hillary did indeed call the night of the election and conceded the next day. Al Gore had won the popular vote in 2000 and did legitimately pursue his legal options with the vote counts in Florida. (And I remember what the gop thought about that at the time). When the Supreme Court weighed in he conceded. Gore unlike pos trump didn’t try to allege widespread voter fraud that has failed in courts no matter the political affiliation of the judges. Trump is the liar and actively trying to undermine our country’s electoral integrity. Democracy is your enemy WB.
Former New Jersey Governor Christine Todd Whitman has criticized Republicans who have backed President Trump's bid to overturn the election.
"I keep comparing it somewhat to Jonestown," Whitman told The New York Times. "They've all drunk the Kool Aid. It just hasn't killed them yet."
The comments are some of the most scathing yet by a senior Republican about Trump's bid to overturn the election, and the refusal of the GOP to stand up to him.
Well I guess we shall soon see who is right Pariah. Tomorrow the electoral votes are cast. I do believe you like the other trumpers that want to subvert the will of the people are grasping at anything and everything. The last bit will probably be when pence is counting the electoral votes. There trumpers can stretch that out but they don’t have control of the house and it’s doubtful enough senate republicans would be all in for a futile attempt to throw out the election results.
I hope this doesn’t end up being consequence free for those elected officials that aided trump with this failed coup but that will be really up to the voters to decide in 2022 and future elections.
You keep looking for a Fait Accompli. But there isn't one. The only day I'm tracking is set in stone is January 6th. In which case, the vote is subject to objection.
If and when the voter fraud is completely exposed--even moreso than it has been--do you really think any final conclusions can stand on those premises?
...Kamala Harris hasn't stepped down yet....I wonder why....
If I was you Pariah I would wonder why all that supposedly rock solid evidence of wide spread voter fraud doesn’t stand up in front of any judges no matter their political affiliations. But I think we both know it’s trump making the fraudulent claims. It has been fun seeing the pos not just lose once but many times but his show is about to be cancelled. The losers, fools and deplorables that tried to enable him and his coup are now exposed.
Link - Breitbart: Texas Sues Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin at Supreme Court over Election Rules
The State of Texas filed a lawsuit directly with the U.S. Supreme Court shortly before midnight on Monday challenging the election procedures in Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin on the grounds that they violate the Constitution.
Texas argues that these states violated the Electors Clause of the Constitution because they made changes to voting rules and procedures through the courts or through executive actions, but not through the state legislatures. Additionally, Texas argues that there were differences in voting rules and procedures in different counties within the states, violating the Constitution’s Equal Protection Clause. Finally, Texas argues that there were “voting irregularities” in these states as a result of the above.
Texas is asking the Supreme Court to order the states to allow their legislatures to appoint their electors. The lawsuit says:
Certain officials in the Defendant States presented the pandemic as the justification for ignoring state laws regarding absentee and mail-in voting. The Defendant States flooded their citizenry with tens of millions of ballot applications and ballots in derogation of statutory controls as to how they are lawfully received, evaluated, and counted. Whether well intentioned or not, these unconstitutional acts had the same uniform effect—they made the 2020 election less secure in the Defendant States. Those changes are inconsistent with relevant state laws and were made by non-legislative entities, without any consent by the state legislatures. The acts of these officials thus directly violated the Constitution.
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This case presents a question of law: Did the Defendant States violate the Electors Clause by taking non-legislative actions to change the election rules that would govern the appointment of presidential electors? These non-legislative changes to the Defendant States’ election laws facilitated the casting and counting of ballots in violation of state law, which, in turn, violated the Electors Clause of Article II, Section 1, Clause 2 of the U.S. Constitution. By these unlawful acts, the Defendant States have not only tainted the integrity of their own citizens’ vote, but their actions have also debased the votes of citizens in Plaintiff State and other States that remained loyal to the Constitution.
Texas approached the Supreme Court directly because Article III provides that it is the court of first impression on subjects where it has original jurisdiction, such as disputes between two or more states.
Tim Pool phrased it adequately. Texas has just NUKED the Democrats from Orbit. This suit meets ALL the qualifications:
1) It goes direct to the Supreme Court on account of a dispute between multiple states.
2) It was filed mere HOURS before safe harbor day, which puts all of the defendant states in dispute and de-solidifies electors.
3) Because this is a dispute between the states addressing the constitutionality--or lack thereof--of the past election, that means that Trump is not actually engaging in Lawfare since the Constitution supercedes the law.
Bottom line he’s trying to throw out election results because he lost. Just because you can do something doesn’t make it moral or ethical. It certainly doesn’t make it beyond judgment, what you seem to be arguing. My vote wasn’t okay to steal and it won’t be forgotten that he’s trying to do exactly that.
You want to put your political enemies in Gulags. That won’t be forgotten either.
Since I never said that how could you remember g-man? That was something you just created. I would point out that Trump likes to have some “lock her up” or “ lock him up” chants going at his super spreader events.
And this is only one among many of Sanders' campaign staffers similarly eager to commit violence against Trump supporters (thank you Project Veritas!). Another Sanders staffer talked about putting Trump supporters in "re-education camps". As did former Bill Clinton cabinet secretary Robert Reich.
That Blaze article qquotes a pretty extensive list of Democrat leaders and liberal media anchors and pundits who are calling for exactly what G-Man cited. That you deceitfully feign ignorance of, M E M.
And that call for gulags and re-education camps for Trump supporterss is perfectly in line with rhetoric from Maxine Waters, Cory Booker, Beto O'Rourke, Kamala Harris and other Democrat leaders who I can pull up video of saying it, openly calling for violence against Republicans, over several years now. Going back to the Republican House baseball game where a Bernie Sanders campaign volunteer tried to kill multiple Republican House members. To which Democrats and their advisors on Facebook and Twitter openly cheered on MORE attacks on Republicans.
And Democrat leaders passively endorse this violent rhetoric and actual violence by their fellow Democrats, remaining silent about it and not condemning it. Because they believe this rhetoric and violence helps their party politically, by intimidating away Republican support. There's no way you can dismissively pretend that rhetoric is coming from just an outside liberal fringe. It is clearly a widely held belief across a huge swath of the mainstream Democrat-Bolshevik Left. And again: The fact that other Democrat leaders don't condemn it make clear they actually support it.
Violence from both sides need to be condemned WB. One over the other is not acceptable. When a trump lawyer called for someone to be drawn and quartered and than taken out and shot (a fellow republican no less) trump had nothing to say about that. And he doesn’t have to WB because of folks like you being okay with that.
And over 7 million more votes than the loser. Trump can probably spot Dorothy and Toto peddling up and must know the Pelosi controlled House is about to land on him, lol
Link - WT: GOP electors cast votes for Trump in Arizona, Georgia, Pennsylvania
Republican electors in Arizona, Georgia and Pennsylvania cast votes for President Trump and Vice President Mike Pence on Monday in hopes a court might overturn Joseph R. Biden’s win, even as the Electoral College voted across the nation to certify the Democrat’s victory.
Georgia Republican Party Chairman David Shafer said Republican electors met at the state capitol to cast votes for Mr. Trump because a Trump campaign lawsuit challenging the state’s election is still pending.
“Had we not meet today and cast our votes, the President’s pending election contest would have been effectively mooted. Our action today preserves his rights under Georgia law,” Mr. Shafer tweeted.
The Pennsylvania GOP said the Trump campaign asked Republican electors to vote for Mr. Trump to preserve the right to another legal challenge that could overturn Mr. Biden’s win.
“We took this procedural vote to preserve any legal claims that may be presented going forward,” Trump campaign Pennsylvania chair Bernie Comfort said in a statement. “This was in no way an effort to usurp or contest the will of the Pennsylvania voters.”
Arizona GOP Chair Kelli Ward said Republican electors also met Monday to vote for Mr. Trump. She said legal challenges to the election are still being heard.
“It is imperative that the proper electors are counted by Congress,” she said.
The actions keep open the option of sending pro-Trump slates of electors to Congress, which will vote on Jan. 6 on whether to accept each state’s electoral votes. Congress can only approve one slate of electors from each state, either for Mr. Biden or for Mr. Trump.
Apparently, WI and MI GOP Electors voted as well, but I'm still trying to confirm that.
They say that this is for a provisional declaration on the 6th. But I don't think this is going to be fully determined til the 20th. Just a hunch.
Yep you are for stealing an election Pariah. I and I hope everyone that loves our country remembers what you and the others tried and failed to do and vote out the Cruz’s and Graham’s that enabled this failed coup. No need for a dog whistle, I hate evil
This should be a rule of "How to post like M E M" :
Whatever the Democrats are doing, accuse the Republicans of doing it, to hide the the vicious criminal actions of the Democrats.
EX: Democrats stole an election using at least 20 different methods of demonstrable cheating, identical strategy in states nationwide - dead people voting, - voting in the names of people who left a state by stealing their ballot and voting in their name, - Democrats from neighboring states using fraudulent addresses to vote in AZ, NV, WI, MI, PA, GA and probably many other states, - double voting, - poll workers re-scanning Democrat ballots 10 times or more to hyper-inflate Democrat vote totals, - BLM types inside voter-counting facilities screaming at and intimidating Republican poll observers, and keeping them 30 to 120 feet from Democrat poll counters, so it's impossible to see Dems fraudulently rigging the votes , and adding fake votes with no chain of custody. - and ultimately, the Venezuelan Dominion votiung machines, that allow 6,000 Trump votes to be flipped with with a sngle computer-mouse click into Biden votes. And do the same over and over 4,800, 4,800, 4,800, 4,800, 4,800, until suddenly Biden is up 130,000 votes in just a few hours. And not verifying signatuires, and xerox-copying 1 mail-in ballot into a stack of hundreds of ballots, all for Biden, that affidavit-signed poll-worker witnesses say were flat pages, and therefore clearly not 3-folded and removed from envelopes, aagain hyperinfating Biden's total with thousands of fake votes.
THOUSANDS of witnesses have written sworn statements testifying to observing all of these Democrat cheating methods.
Ann Coulter said that back in 2008: "If you want to know what Demcorats are up to, just look at what they're accusing Republicans of doing."
Par for the course, for the Democrat-Bolshevik party.
Violence from both sides need to be condemned WB. One over the other is not acceptable. When a trump lawyer called for someone to be drawn and quartered and than taken out and shot (a fellow republican no less) trump had nothing to say about that. And he doesn’t have to WB because of folks like you being okay with that.
M E M: "Republicans do it too..."
No, they don't.
The incidents of violence are at least 100 to 1 of Democrat-on-Republican violence. There is no Republican-party-inspired violence, non. Once in a blue moon, a lone conservative crazy, but nothing comparable to the top-down-inspired Democrat violence/intimidation machine. As I've cited repeatedly, there are an average 2 attacks a day on Trump supporters. Republicans are intimidated if they even wear a Trump hat, or put a Trump campaign sign in their front yard. And that is stoked by rhetoric from Democrat leaders at the very top. Not the DNC fringe from the core leadership. And no Democrat, NONE OF THEM, ever openly condemns this DNC rhetoric, or these DNC-stoked acts of intimdation and violence.
There are no calls by Republican politicians to intimidate or violently attack Democrats. But as I just cited a few posts above, with linked examples, I can't even remember all the Democrats who regularly incite violence on Republicans, there are far too many. Start with the Bernie Sanders campaign workers (Youtube-linked above, from Project Veritas), Maxine Waters, Robert Reich, Jennifer Rubin, Paul Krugman, Hillary Clinton, Kamala Harris, Cory Booker, Beto O'Rourke, Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez, Rashida Tlaib, on and on.
Nothing, absolutely nothing similar coming from the Republican side. Nice try, M E M. Again, you are flatout lying to say "Republicans do it too", with absolutelty nothing to back it up.
Link - WT: GOP electors cast votes for Trump in Arizona, Georgia, Pennsylvania
Republican electors in Arizona, Georgia and Pennsylvania cast votes for President Trump and Vice President Mike Pence on Monday in hopes a court might overturn Joseph R. Biden’s win, even as the Electoral College voted across the nation to certify the Democrat’s victory.
Georgia Republican Party Chairman David Shafer said Republican electors met at the state capitol to cast votes for Mr. Trump because a Trump campaign lawsuit challenging the state’s election is still pending.
“Had we not meet today and cast our votes, the President’s pending election contest would have been effectively mooted. Our action today preserves his rights under Georgia law,” Mr. Shafer tweeted.
The Pennsylvania GOP said the Trump campaign asked Republican electors to vote for Mr. Trump to preserve the right to another legal challenge that could overturn Mr. Biden’s win.
“We took this procedural vote to preserve any legal claims that may be presented going forward,” Trump campaign Pennsylvania chair Bernie Comfort said in a statement. “This was in no way an effort to usurp or contest the will of the Pennsylvania voters.”
Arizona GOP Chair Kelli Ward said Republican electors also met Monday to vote for Mr. Trump. She said legal challenges to the election are still being heard.
“It is imperative that the proper electors are counted by Congress,” she said.
The actions keep open the option of sending pro-Trump slates of electors to Congress, which will vote on Jan. 6 on whether to accept each state’s electoral votes. Congress can only approve one slate of electors from each state, either for Mr. Biden or for Mr. Trump.
Apparently, WI and MI GOP Electors voted as well, but I'm still trying to confirm that.
They say that this is for a provisional declaration on the 6th. But I don't think this is going to be fully determined til the 20th. Just a hunch.
How cute playing pretend. Official electors have already chosen and voted though. Trump turd loses again.
And WB after losing over 50 cases in court in front of both liberal and conservative judges not to mention a conservative controlled Supreme Court, why on earth do you think I would buy Trump’s bs and lies? It’s clearly not a republican vs democrat thing. Trump lost and not shockingly is being a pos sore loser.
Violence from both sides need to be condemned WB. One over the other is not acceptable. When a trump lawyer called for someone to be drawn and quartered and than taken out and shot (a fellow republican no less) trump had nothing to say about that. And he doesn’t have to WB because of folks like you being okay with that.
That is again, horseshit.
The Trump lawyer you cite is Joe Digenova (of Digenova and Toensing), a former U.S. attorney and vocal Trump advocate. He didn't literally call for a Democrat to be drawn and quartered, it was said in a joking context in a TV interview, he never literally called for violence against anyone. That's quite a reach, M E M.
That's like Trump at a Trump rally a year or so ago, saying of a heckler interrupting and being escorted out, "I'd like to smack that guy".
That's like when a guy playfully says something male-piggish to a girl, and with a smile she responds "Ohh I want to smack you!" and alleging that the girl was inciting violence. Just ridiculous. Meanwhile on the other side, you have all the violent rhetotic I cited **AND LINKED EXAMPLES OF** by Democrats calling for intimidation and attacks on Trump administration officials and Trump supporters, and the average two attacks a day on Trump supporters, that are clearly a direct result of Demcorat leadership calling for that violence. See the examples above, and thousands more I didn't list.
Just playfully calling somebody to be shot, what utter bs. Krebs for being honest was fired by trump and now him and his family get death threats for not assisting the orange turd in stealing an election from rabid partisan trumpers. You live in a fantasy world where now Barr, the Supreme Court and other very conservative but honest republicans are part of the conspiracy WB.
What makes them "official"? The media companies that tell you everything's going to be okay and your party's going to be just fine?
The state seals. The other electors might as well be from Latvia, Atlantis and Batshitcrazyville. I’m sure trump will pull more out of his ass till he gets the boot to keep you excited.
And WB after losing over 50 cases in court in front of both liberal and conservative judges not to mention a conservative controlled Supreme Court, why on earth do you think I would buy Trump’s bs and lies? It’s clearly not a republican vs democrat thing. Trump lost and not shockingly is being a pos sore loser.
All but about 7 of those cases are by other states or conservative groups, not by Trump's lawyers. The big one of those was by the Texas attorney general, suing GA, PA, MI, and WI for violating Texas' state rights, that those four states' negligence violated the integrity of Texas' presidential election as well. And as I said, the U S S C didn't review the evidence, they just said the case "lacks standing", whatever that bullshit excuse means. The bottom line is, th U S S C didn't review the actual evidence, BECAUSE IF THEY DID REVIEW THE ACTUAL EVIDENCE, THE *OVERWHELMING* EVIDENCE, THEY WOULD HAVE TO RULE IN TRUMP'S FAVOR. But because they were intimidated, because they are worried about Democrt violence and harassment directed at them and their families and children, they backed off and didn't even hear the case.
I would point out that justices Thomas and Alito wanted to hear the case. Four more are intimidated, and three more are Bolsheviks.
Sebastian Gorka said something really insightful about Barr (who resigned/was fired today) and the FBI: That the FBI sent a dozen agents to investigate an alleged noose in a race car garage of a dimwitted black driver trying to pull a Jussie Smollet, that ANYONE could see was not a noose, but clearly just a rope for pulling down a garage door. But that same FBI, didn't send a single agent to investigate the most massive election fraud in U.S. history across 8 states, that clearly rigs who our president will be with over 20 differnt kinds of election fraud, and in rigging it for Biden, endangers the future and national securrity of our nation.
What makes them "official"? The media companies that tell you everything's going to be okay and your party's going to be just fine?
The state seals. The other electors might as well be from Latvia, Atlantis and Batshitcrazyville. I’m sure trump will pull more out of his ass till he gets the boot to keep you excited.
The vote can be objected to on the day of the count, and the president (Pence) can choose not to count or finalize as a result. 126 GOP congressional personnel joined that lawsuit. You think nothing's gonna happen?
If what you were saying were true, then there wouldn't be any contingencies offered up by Article II of the constitution in the first place.
WB your just making shit up. Thomas and Alito said they would have been willing to hear the case but unwilling to grant any of what was being asked. You just make up a reason for the other conservative justices not willing to help trump turd to steal an election. It’s not even rational. They have life time appointments and democrats want to pack the court. In your mind intimidation makes sense? But since you brought up intimidation I would point you towards orange turds bullying and anger at those that won’t assist him in his lies and attempts to steal the election. Who knew Barr and Georgia’s republican gov were secretly part of the conspiracy.
What makes them "official"? The media companies that tell you everything's going to be okay and your party's going to be just fine?
The state seals. The other electors might as well be from Latvia, Atlantis and Batshitcrazyville. I’m sure trump will pull more out of his ass till he gets the boot to keep you excited.
The vote can be objected to on the day of the count, and the president (Pence) can choose not to count or finalize as a result. 126 GOP congressional personnel joined that lawsuit. You think nothing's gonna happen?
If what you were saying were true, then there wouldn't be any contingencies offered up by Article II of the constitution in the first place.
No doubt it will add a couple more hours of Trump being a pathetic loser but since democrats control the House it ultimately doesn’t matter what Pence tries to do. I would also point out that senate republicans that don’t have gerrymandered districts of trump crazies are not all on board either.
No doubt it will add a couple more hours of Trump being a pathetic loser but since democrats control the House it ultimately doesn’t matter what Pence tries to do. I would also point out that senate republicans that don’t have gerrymandered districts of trump crazies are not all on board either.
It doesn't work that way. Pence doesn't require acquiescence from the House Speaker to conduct the count in any particular fashion. He has the sole ability to put a full stop to the count. If there's a significant number of objections in congress, I believe he would be hard pressed to ignore them. It's very possible he'll say that the issue is still going through the courts and needs to be addressed before the vote goes through--OR supposing he chooses not to count period. Then the legislatures themselves are up to bat.
Pretty easy to understand I think. Like I said this maneuver will add a couple of hours of trump’s sore losing but that’s it. If republicans had control of the House I would be genuinely worried and unsure of what Senate republicans would do but instead this will be trump and pence getting well deserved kicks in the nuts.
That article just rehashes what you've been saying for the past couple of pages, but it doesn't actually address the presidential powers within the House.
Pelosi isn't the one that counts the votes.
You're journey isn't over yet--and may not even reach its destination.
Lol, okay Pariah. In the real world Biden has well over 270 certified official electoral votes. The process doesn’t allow for it depending on the loser accepting the loss. We already knew trump was never going to concede. Trump can only prolong the butt hurt and further burn into history just how big a loser he really was.
Yes, actually. In the 1960 election between John F. Kennedy and Richard Nixon, Hawaii’s Republican governor certified a Republican slate of electors after the initial count had Nixon winning the state by about 100 votes. But Democratic electors met anyway and insisted that Kennedy would win an ongoing recount.
The Democrats were right, and when it came time for Congress to consider which group of electors to count, it chose the Democratic one. It was Nixon himself, who was presiding over Congress as the outgoing vice president, who made the decision.
Pennsylvania’s alternate slate of Republican electors even cited the 1960 Hawaii case in a press release Monday, saying they were simply following Hawaii Democrats’ lead. “We took this procedural vote to preserve any legal claims that may be presented going forward,” said Bernie Comfort, Pennsylvania chair of the Trump campaign. “This was in no way an effort to usurp or contest the will of the Pennsylvania voters.”
Still, there’s an obvious difference — the outcome of the Hawaii election was actually unclear when the rival slates were appointed. Biden won Pennsylvania by 80,000 votes, and every court challenge the Trump campaign and its allies filed to contest has failed. Hawaii’s governor ended up sending both slates of electors to Congress. Pennsylvania’s governor is only sending Biden’s.
Under federal law, if there’s a tie between the two chambers of Congress, the slates sent by governors will be declared the winner. That’s the ultimate guarantee the pro-Trump slates will lose because none were endorsed by governors on Monday.
As always with Levin's show, a lot of detailed information of what the liberal media, Democrats, self-serving lobbyist-controlled deep state Republicans, attorney general Barr, the DOJ and FBI are all collaboratively hiding from the American public about Joe Biden and election fraud.
“As always with Levin's show, a lot of detailed information of what the liberal media, Democrats, self-serving lobbyist-controlled deep state Republicans, attorney general Barr, the DOJ and FBI are all collaboratively hiding from the American public about Joe Biden and election fraud. “
Don’t forget the intimidated Supreme Court WB. Pretty much it has to come from Trump or his family for the real truth (minus sisters and nieces and anyone who doesn’t sign a NDA). The whole dem vs gop is really exposed as a sham here with the “everyone is wrong” motif. If there had been the widespread fraud Trump claimed it would have had a much friendlier reception in court. He couldn’t prove it and instead of recognizing what a truly evil shitty thing he just did to the country you lash out at everyone else,
President Donald Trump scolded Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell on Twitter early Wednesday morning for finally acknowledging that President-elect Joe Biden won the 2020 White House race.
“Our country has officially a president-elect and a vice president-elect,” McConnell said. “The Electoral College has spoken. So today, I want to congratulate President-elect Joe Biden.”
“As always with Levin's show, a lot of detailed information of what the liberal media, Democrats, self-serving lobbyist-controlled deep state Republicans, attorney general Barr, the DOJ and FBI are all collaboratively hiding from the American public about Joe Biden and election fraud. “
Don’t forget the intimidated Supreme Court WB. Pretty much it has to come from Trump or his family for the real truth (minus sisters and nieces and anyone who doesn’t sign a NDA). The whole dem vs gop is really exposed as a sham here with the “everyone is wrong” motif. If there had been the widespread fraud Trump claimed it would have had a much friendlier reception in court. He couldn’t prove it and instead of recognizing what a truly evil shitty thing he just did to the country you lash out at everyone else,
No. It just shows how pervasive the globalist/Marxist corruption is.
The superior court justices at the lower level were clearly mostly corrupt Democrat appointees. At the U S Supreme Court level, chief justice John Roberts has a long history of doing what is politically expedient and uncontroversial, rather than what is right. A prime example being repeated rulings upholding Obaamacare, despite its clear unconstitutioal violations, saying "It's not the job of the Court to repeal bad law." Well... it is, actually. With the election fraud, Samuel Alito and Clarence Thomas wanted to do what is right and review the case, but were outnumbered by politicians masking as justices on the Court.
And the evidence remains clear. The fact that they refused to hear it in a courtroom makes clear they made their decision based on something other than the facts.
But they send no agents, ZERO, to investigate what appears to be the most massive election campaign fraud in U.S. history, across 7 states?!!? Please. That tells you everything you need to know. Only if there is a thorough investigation, and that evidence is presented in a court of law, will the Republican half of this country accept that the outcome for Biden is legitimate. It's clearly not, and the lack of willingness to honestly review the evidence is further proof that the evidence is too damaging. Only ignoring and dismissing the evidence can save the Biden victory narrative. And even up to 30% of Democrats think the election results are fraudulent. Trump in the last few hour re-tweeted a poll that shows 92% of Republicans see the election as rigged. Including Democrats and independents, it's still 50% of voters that see the election results as rigged. Thsi is not going away.
For someone willing to steal my vote I will never expect anything but you being an enemy of democracy WB. I would be foolish to even think you would want trump to rise to what Hillary did by conceding when she knew she lost. Just glad America got to see how rotten and how far so many trumpers will go.
Trump Floats Coup Plan That’s So Wild Even Rudy Giuliani Is Terrified At the White House on Friday, President Trump held what may have been his most deranged meeting yet. In it, the president raged at his loyalists for betraying him, and discussed taking extralegal measures to overturn the election.
The meeting, first reported by the New York Times, included lawyer and conspiracy theorist Sidney Powell, convicted felon Michael Flynn, and Rudy Giuliani. One plan floated at the meeting was for Trump to appoint Powell as a “special counsel” overseeing allegations of voter fraud. Powell’s voter fraud claims are so fantastical she has been mocked even by other far-right legal conspiracy theorists. Andrew McCarthy, a former birther and author of one book titled How Obama Embraces Islam’s Sharia Agenda and another calling for his impeachment on multiple counts, has described Powell’s vote-fraud claims as “loopy.” Trump also reportedly brought up Flynn’s proposal, which he has expounded on cable news, to impose martial law and direct the military to hold a new election. “At one point in the meeting on Friday, Mr. Trump asked about that idea,” reports the Times.
Trump is a Republican, so that plan is fine with us.
It’s still hard to believe so many were willing and eager to throw the election aside to keep that thing in power. There are worse things than “owning the libs” and you guys came close to seeing it.
After legal threat, Fox airs news package debunking election fraud claims made by its own hosts.
New York (CNN)If President Trump tunes into Fox News this weekend, he may see something unexpected: a point-by-point fact-check to wild election fraud claims made by some of his favorite hosts on the network.
After voting technology company Smartmatic sent Fox News a blistering legal threat that accused the network of participating in a "disinformation campaign" against it, the network has started airing a remarkable news package debunking claims its hosts and guests have propagated. The package aired for the first time Friday night on Lou Dobbs' show. Fox News said the same package would air Saturday night on Jeanine Pirro's program as well as Sunday morning on Maria Bartiromo's show. All three hosts, who use their platforms to air pro-Trump propaganda, are close with the President. The stunning news package featured an interview with voting technology expert Eddie Perez, who poured cold water on a series of conspiracy theories that have been amplified and promoted on the shows of Dobbs, Pirro, and Bartiromo.
Perez said, for instance, that he had not seen any evidence that Smartmatic software was used to manipulate the election or that there was a direct connection between the company and liberal philanthropic billionaire George Soros. As Trump has continued to attack the integrity of the voting system, some of his allies have homed in on Smartmatic because of the services it provided Los Angeles County for the 2020 election.
The baseless conspiracy theories peddled about Smartmatic, which mimic those pushed against Dominion Voting Systems, falsely suggest that the company's technology allowed the November vote to be rigged against Trump. Some strains of the conspiracy theory have aimed to tie the company to Soros and the late Venezuelan leader Hugo Chávez. When asked for comment on the surreal news package Fox aired, Erik Connolly, an attorney for Smartmatic, told CNN, "We cannot comment due to potential litigation." A Fox News spokesperson referred CNN back to the segment itself and did not comment further. In its legal notice to Fox News, dated December 10, Smartmatic identified several instances in which conspiracy theories were spread on its air by either Trump lawyer Rudy Giuliani or former Trump campaign lawyer Sidney Powell. The legal notice, which stated assertions made about Chavez and Soros have no truth to them, also identified instances in which Dobbs and Bartiromo helped spread false information.
It’s still hard to believe so many were willing and eager to throw the election aside to keep that thing in power. There are worse things than “owning the libs” and you guys came close to seeing it.
"That thing in power" is the single most effective president in over 50 years, with more accomplishments in 4 years than any of his predecessors in 8 years, even surpassing the accomplishments of Ronald Reagan. Quantifiable achievements in re-negotiated major trade deals with all our global trading partners, securing the Southern border, re-building our military, stopping your Bolshevik party from tearing down statues of all our nation's founders, maniacs who if allowed would have further gone on to burn this country to the ground, and building the strongest economy of our lifetimes, with the lowest recorded unemployment for blacks, hispanics, women and people under 25. As well as overseeing a better and faster recovery from the Covid-19 pandemic of any nation on earth. And other nations' brightest and best in nations worldwide acknowledge that by moving their investment assets to the U.S.
Does anyone REALLY BELIEVE that Biden, cowering in his basement for 9 months, not campaigning, got 11 million more votes than Barack Obama? 83% of Republicans don't. 48% of Independents don't. 30% of DEMOCRATS don't.
That Democrat leadership, and their equally corrupt brethren in the establishment/deep state/lobbyist-controlled wing of the Republicans, try to sweep this away without thorough investigation just further undermines confidence that this was a legitimate election. It most certainly was NOT a legitimate election. And there are enough blatantly illegitimate votes (dead voters, double voters, illegal immigrant votes, voters using fake addresses, votes with non-matching signatures, etc. ) that if excluded as they legally should be, would instantly give all 6 contested states to Donald Trump, by margins in the tens of thousands, or even hundreds of thousands of votes.
Only by corruption can Democrats successfully pull off this coup. And it isn't over yet.
That Democrat leadership, and their equally corrupt brethren in the establishment/deep state/lobbyist-controlled wing of the Republicans, in trying to sweep this away without a thorough investigation, just further undermine confidence that this was a legitimate election. It most certainly was NOT a legitimate election. And there are enough blatantly illegitimate votes (dead voters, double voters, illegal immigrant voters, voters using fake addresses, votes with non-matching signatures, etc. ) that if excluded as they legally should be, would instantly give all 6 contested states to Donald Trump, by margins in the tens of thousands, or even hundreds of thousands of votes.
Only by corruption can Democrats successfully pull off this coup. And it isn't over yet.
In his capacity as a private citizen, likely a position related to legal advice from White House counsel, Senior White House Policy Advisor Peter Navarro has released a 36-page report containing a review and summary of findings from the 2020 election.
Within the report [direct pdf here] Navarro outlines the issues at stake within several key states in the election contest. The report highlights several troubling issues related to the way mail-in, potentially fraudulent ballots, were handled in Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Wisconsin Nevada and Pennsylvania. Within those states the activity by regional officials is critical to understanding the controversial post-election-day outcomes.
As Navarro states “the observed patterns of election irregularities are so consistent across the six battleground states that they suggest a coordinated strategy to, if not steal the election outright, strategically game the election process in such a way as to “stuff the ballot box” and unfairly tilt the playing field in favor of the Biden-Harris ticket.”
Last night the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, John Ratcliffe, announced there was evidence of specific election interference by foreign actors specifically: China, Russia and Iran. Additionally, a report on those malign activities is forthcoming.
While the specific topic of foreign interference is not an element of the Navarro report, there is room within the authorization of the DNI directive to include and evaluate independent audits – so the Navarro analysis could align with the DNI report.
“If, in fact, compelling evidence comes to light proving the election was indeed stolen after a fait accompli Biden inauguration, we as a country run the very real risk that the very center of our great American union will not hold.
To put this another way, if the greatest democracy in world history cannot conduct a free and fair election, and if much of the mainstream media of this country won’t even fully investigate what is becoming a growing mountain of evidence calling into question the election result, there is little chance that our democracy and this Republic will survive as we know it. It is therefore critical that we get to the bottom of this matter. That is the purpose of this report.”
One way to look at this report is the White House indirectly providing their perspective on the election outcome in advance of the upcoming DNI report. In essence, an insurance policy of sorts in the event that elements within the intelligence community attempt to water-down any election interference as a purposeful way to preserve institutions.
The Navarro report looks at granular details within key states, while the DNI report may focus upon top-line intelligence related to foreign actors.
There is overwhelming evidence of systemic election voter fraud, across all 6 contested states. Until that evidence is investigated by law enforcement and reviewed in court hearings, this election forever remains illegitimate.
The only way Biden and the Democrats can sell their lying narrative is to refuse any investigation or review of the facts. If they have nothing to hide, why are they refusing that review ?
Do you have anything WB that if positions were reversed you would accept if democrats were trying to do what you trumpers want to do? Repeating allegations that can’t even stay afloat in front of conservative judges isn’t really persuasive.
Do you have anything WB that if positions were reversed you would accept if democrats were trying to do what you trumpers want to do? Repeating allegations that can’t even stay afloat in front of conservative judges isn’t really persuasive.
G-troll is still crying about Hillary's reaction to losing, and she actually conceded the next day.
If a Dem tried a fraction of the the shit Diaper Don tried, the MAGA retards would have to be committed.
Do you have anything WB that if positions were reversed you would accept if democrats were trying to do what you trumpers want to do? Repeating allegations that can’t even stay afloat in front of conservative judges isn’t really persuasive.
1) ALLOW A THOROUGH RECOUNT AND INVESTIGATION OF THE DOMINION AND OTHER VOTING MACHINES AND OTHER ELECTION RECORDS.
Democrat governors and elections supervisors (and a few RINO Republican governors and election supervisors, such as Georgia) have only permitted a superficial recount, that does not allow rejection of dead people votes, double voters, voters listing fraudulent addresses, signatures unverified that don't match, absentee ballots from people that long before the election moved out of state, on and on.
2) HAVE THE FBI AND DOJ DO A THOROUGH INVESTIGATION. At present, the FBI and DOJ have sent **not one** agent to investigate what is clearly the most massive election fraud in U.S. history. But as I pointed out before, 97% of DOJ campaign donations went to Hillary Clinton in 2016, and to other Democrats, and they are deeply partisan toward the Democrats winning, so they will continue to sit on their hands and let the clock run out, irregardless of the law. As I pointed out before, there were at least a dozen FBI agents sent to investigate: 1) the fabricated Jussie Smollett racial incident, 2) likewise the black NASCAR driver Bubba Wallace with the alleged racist intimidation "noose" hanging in his car garage investigated by the FBI, 3) likewise an army of FBI agents sent to investigate a Biden campaign bus allegedly harassed on a highway by Trump supporters. And yet... not a single FBI agent sent to investigate massive Nov 3 2020 election irregularities across at least 7 states. Even a Democrat zealot like you, M E M, should be alarmed at the indifference of FBI and DOJ to such a major case, with enormous national ramifications. Although at this point, even if the FBI did an investigation now, I'm sure it would just be like the Hillary Clinton e-mails investigation, a rubber-stamp of whatever narrative would benefit the Democrats, not discovery of the actual facts.
3) THE ORWELLIAN CENSORSHIP OF ANY DISCUSSION OF THE FACTS SUPPORTING THE REPUBLICAN ARGUMENT THAT THE NOV 2020 ELECTION WAS RIGGED. Does that really not cause you the slightest pause, M E M? Where there are so many irregularities, and yet we are not even allowed to share or discuss them?
4) HAVE LAW ENFORCEMENT SEIZE THE DOMINION VOTING MACHINES AND OTHER ELECTION EVIDENCE. Evidence that is probably being shredded by Democrats every day it is not seized.
It is frankly impossible that Biden, while staying in his basement for months and not even campaigning, got 11 million more votes than Barack Obama.
The ties of Dominion to Smartmatic and the election-rigging in Venezuela was major news, even on CNN, from 2006-2019, and then suddenly the Orwellian Newspeak of the mainstream media declares it's "right wing conspiracy theory" to even discuss it? DEMOCRAT Senators Dianne Feinstein, Elizabeth Warren, Ron Wyden, and Democrat Rep.Mark Pocan wrote an open letter in *December 2019* voicing these exact concerns, barely a year ago. But now again, suddenly (Orwell's Newspeak liberal media, changing the official narrative again) this has all magically become tin-foil hat conspiracy theory to cite THE EVIDENCE that four prominent House and Senate Democrats vocally waned about, and despite that the mainstream media vocally exposed the Dominion ties to Venezuela's election fraud and the machines' easy ability to be hacked for 14 years. What's wrong with this picture?
Eric Coomer, the executive at Dominion who personally travelled to and set up the voting machines in the 7 contested states, is a rabid partisan anti-Trumper, and a rabid supporter of Antifa, and when asked in a Zoom conference call online with a dozen other Antifa members,where the others were voicing concern that Trump might win re-election in November, Coomer said: "Trump's not going to win, I made fucking sure of that." https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/11/the_dominion_software_story_keeps_getting_worse.html https://pjmedia.com/election/matt-m...ot-gonna-win-on-conference-call-n1179285 https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/20...h-internet-profile-deleted-erased-audio/ Coomer and all his pals at Dominion are ALL radical-left, tied to the Clinton Foundation, to radical activists, to Antifa members, rabidly anti-Trump. And these are people you don't question controlling the election machines on Nov 3rd? Their Facebook and Twitter feeds were filled with rabid self-incriminating leftist and anti-Trump posts. All now scrubbed, but screen-grabbed by conservatives before that. Dominion shared offices with the Soros-funded Tides Foundation. The CEO of Dominion is a board member of the Tides Foundation. Nancy Pelosi's chief of staff is a major shareholder of Dominion. Dianne Feinstein's husband is a major Dominion shareholder.
There is overwhelming evidence that the election was rigged. The fact that your side won't even permit investigation of it is just further proof that they have plenty to hide.
If all else fails, Trump has the right to declare a national emergency under the Insurrection Act, and remain in power, for years if necessary, until this election IS fully investigated. Because as former Joint Chiefs general Thomas McInerney said, make no mistake, this IS a coup, this IS an insurrection by domestic radical leftist forces and foreign governments to overthrow the United States' constitutional government, and it has to be stopped. https://tennesseestar.com/2020/12/0...gh-executive-order-and-insurrection-act/
I'm frankly surprised there haven't been hundreds of former FBI and other retired Republican law enforcement agents and lawyers offering to help the Trump team investigate the election fraud, to fill the void left by a compromised DOJ/FBI.
The same compromised DOJ/FBI that evidence now shows in 2016 deliberately sabotaged the FBI e-mails case against Hillary Clinton, and simultaneously opened a knowingly fake 9-month "Russia collusion" investigation (AGAIN: Peter Strzok and Lisa Page texts verify this (STRZOK, to PAGE: "There's no 'there' there.") . As also verified by other FOIA-opened documents by Lisa Page, Peter Strzok, Bill Priestap, and Sally Yates). As verified by confessed FBI lawyer Kevin Clinesmith ("Vive le resistance!") who falsified FISA request documents to obtain surveillance of Carter Page, to say Page was not working for the CIA, the polar opposite of the truth, because the documents clearly said Carter Page actually was a paid CIA informant. Documents deceitfully re-written, so a Democrat-weaponized FBI could falsely obtain four consecutive FISA warrants to do surveillance on Page. And through surveilling Carter Page, to surveil the entire Trump campaign.
An army of partisans in the FBI who tried to destroy the Trump campaign in 2016. AGAIN: 97% of DOJ campaign donations were to the Hillary Clinton campaign, which I linked earlier. (texts messages: LISA PAGE: "Trump isn't going to be president, right? RIGHT?!? PETER STRZOK: "No. No, we will stop it.") And ongoing after for 4 years, during Trump's entire presidency. The same FBI that set up Michael Flynn, Paul Manafort, George Pappadapoulos, Roger Stone and others, destroyed innocent men, destroyed their lives, just to damage Trump. Even the ones who weren't convicted , such as Michael Caputo, had their jobs and lives destroyed by constant FBI intimidation of their clients.
The evidence is right there in front of you, M E M, if you weren't a partisan who gladly consumes the Orwellian Newspeak that is clearly untrue, just because it allows your side to win. The truth is right there in front of you. And even you should be deeply alarmed by the intimidation and silencing of all political dissent. We are now living in a Chinese or Soviet-style political system.
Barr, the conservative Supreme Court justices and the many other republican officials involved in the state elections are only rinos because you and others that would betray this country are the true Orwellian monsters. It’s now all about keeping that orange pos in power by any means. You keep dishonestly trying to frame this as purely a democrat vs republican thing but it’s clearly not. If the evidence was truly there and so clear those republicans wouldn’t be literally risking their lives and political futures. They’re the ones getting the death threats and intimidation. Hopefully the rest of the nation sees the true threat trumpers represent and rejects it in future elections. You guys almost cost us free and fair elections.
A federal judge in Texas has dismissed a long-shot lawsuit by Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-Tex.) that sought to overturn the presidential election, saying neither the congressman nor his allies have legal standing to pursue the case.
The judge’s Friday night ruling tosses out what many election law experts considered a far-fetched theory to challenge the formal mechanism by which President-elect Joe Biden will be affirmed as the winner of the race for president.
U.S. District Judge Jeremy D. Kernodle issued an order dismissing the case because, he found, neither Gohmert nor his fellow plaintiffs have a sufficient legal stake in the process to justify the lawsuit. Kernodle was nominated to the federal bench by Trump.
Kernodle is part of the Deep State conspiracy, or some nonsense.
No. As I cited with Col. Waldron's testimony above, and with Peter Navarro's report above, when you subtract the dead voters, the illegal immigrant voters, the unmatched signature voters, the double-voters, the voters coming in to vote from out of state with non-existent or non-residential fake addresses, the ballots included without supervised chain of custody, the ballots included without signature matching, when you remove all those ILLEGAL ballots, Trump wins by a substantial margin in all of these contested states.
It is only by cheating that Biden can possibly win. Ignoring the evidence on an alleged "lack of standing" and refusing to publicly review that evidence . If this were an actual election and not a rigged one, these judges and other political leaders would say "absolutely, let's allow a full review, so both sides have no question about the election result". But the fact that they won't is because they are intimidated or part of the fix. John Roberts was overheard yelling at other justices saying exactly this. That if the U S S C reviews the case, Roberts is worried there will be riots nationwide blamed on him. Intimidation of the mob, rather than actual law and justice.
Odd how it’s just rabid partisans like yourself that “know”the election was rigged. It wasn’t WB. Your unfit lying pos couldn’t win even trying to get republican election officials to change election results. It’s on tape so you can spin all you want but it’s right there WB.
But yeah, hey, it's just tin foil hat conspiracy, right? It's not like there's actual EVIDENCE here of political corruption, with enormous money changing hands.
Likwise the Roger Ebert looking Georgia voting systems manager, who has posts going back to 2016 on Facebook and Twitter making clear he is now and has always been a rabid anti-Trumper. GABRIEL STERLING'S EXPOSED 2016 TWEETS, RABID ANTI-TRUMPER
It's amazing how many sites I find evidence at, including this one and Dan Boningo's site, that suddenly are blocked or labelled insecure by Google. Welcome to Communist China. These are the authoritarian tactics of China, and these are the people the Democrats are in bed with and aiding to destroy our country.
But there you are, THREE clear examples of prominent individuals within the Kemp campaign, with clear financial and ideological motive for rigging the election against Donald Trump.
Oh, and a fourth, the judge on including or excluding votes, who just happens to be Stacey Abrams' sister.
Odd how it’s just rabid partisans like yourself that “know”the election was rigged. It wasn’t WB. Your unfit lying pos couldn’t win even trying to get republican election officials to change election results. It’s on tape so you can spin all you want but it’s right there WB.
You're such a lying piece of shit, M E M. I just posted one of several polls that shows it's well over 50% of the U.S. population that thinks the Nov 3rd election was rigged. A poll that showed up to 92% of Republicans think the election was rigged, that 48% of independents think the election was rigged, and even 30% of Democrats think the election was rigged.
So I'm not rabid, I'm among a growing majority who can read and discern the facts. And that majority is growing every day, because your side is trying to cover up, suppress any recounts, and shred the evidence.
The hearings in contested states nationwide with witnesses to the corrupt irregularites and clear rigging of the votes in favor of Biden, are what are on tape. Endless hours of election workers, expert fraud investigation witnesses, delivery drivers contracted to the U S postal service, computer systems experts, and military information wars specialists. Not rabid emotion, cold hard facts. That your side tries to bury and ignore.
I saw who the pollster was WB. Somebody that has polls off by more than 40 points for the republican might be fine with a partisan like yourself but I prefer accuracy. Than again I’m a bit old fashioned and value honesty and patriotism. (That’s loyalty to your country over say a corrupt lying pos)
A bit overly evangelical for my taste, but the Powell interview alone makes it worth seeing. Exploring some of the legal options left open to President Trump and his legal team, and the scope of the conspiracy against the president, that includes Dominion voting systems, possibly with its origins in the CIA's clandestine overseas operations in rigging other nations' elections, the Democrat-lapdog FBI, and even judges and Republican leaders who are either financially profiting from the same corporations and foreign governments as the Democrats, or are just intimidated not to do the right thing.
I saw who the pollster was WB. Somebody that has polls off by more than 40 points for the republican might be fine with a partisan like yourself but I prefer accuracy. Than again I’m a bit old fashioned and value honesty and patriotism. (That’s loyalty to your country over say a corrupt lying pos)
We already went over this. McLaughlin has been a pollster for almost 40 years. To slander the guy as 100% wrong all the time, just because he worked for Trump, just because he's lost a handful of elections over that 35 plus years, despite his winning elections and being right an overwhelming majority of the time for 35 years, is just typical Democrat smear tactics. He polls accurately to insure he is selected to poll for the next election, you have absolutely no basis to allege he somehow rigged the numbers just to support Trump. Unlike the Bolsheviks you parrot talking points for, this guy has a private polling business he's not going to put at risk by fronting deliberately inaccurate propaganda, for Trump or for anyone else.
All 10 living former defense secretaries declare election is over in forceful public letter
(CNN)All 10 living former US defense secretaries declared that the US presidential election is over in a forceful public letter published in The Washington Post on Sunday as President Donald Trump continues to deny his election loss to Joe Biden.
The letter -- signed by Dick Cheney, James Mattis, Mark Esper, Leon Panetta, Donald Rumsfeld, William Cohen, Chuck Hagel, Robert Gates, William Perry and Ashton Carter -- amounts to a remarkable show of force against Trump's subversion efforts just days before Congress is set to count Electoral College votes.
"Our elections have occurred. Recounts and audits have been conducted. Appropriate challenges have been addressed by the courts. Governors have certified the results. And the electoral college has voted. The time for questioning the results has passed; the time for the formal counting of the electoral college votes, as prescribed in the Constitution and statute, has arrived," the group wrote.
Since Election Day, Trump has falsely claimed that a second term is being stolen, even as there have been no credible allegations of widespread voting issues as affirmed by dozens of judges, governors, and election officials, the Electoral College, the Justice Department, the Department of Homeland Security, and the US Supreme Court.
There was no slander involved WB. He had that polling error that I correctly pointed out. Making false claims though is what a trumpers does though and doubling down on them when it’s called out. Accuracy and democracy are things I value.
All 10 living former defense secretaries declare election is over in forceful public letter
(CNN)All 10 living former US defense secretaries declared that the US presidential election is over in a forceful public letter published in The Washington Post on Sunday as President Donald Trump continues to deny his election loss to Joe Biden.
The letter -- signed by Dick Cheney, James Mattis, Mark Esper, Leon Panetta, Donald Rumsfeld, William Cohen, Chuck Hagel, Robert Gates, William Perry and Ashton Carter -- amounts to a remarkable show of force against Trump's subversion efforts just days before Congress is set to count Electoral College votes.
"Our elections have occurred. Recounts and audits have been conducted. Appropriate challenges have been addressed by the courts. Governors have certified the results. And the electoral college has voted. The time for questioning the results has passed; the time for the formal counting of the electoral college votes, as prescribed in the Constitution and statute, has arrived," the group wrote.
Since Election Day, Trump has falsely claimed that a second term is being stolen, even as there have been no credible allegations of widespread voting issues as affirmed by dozens of judges, governors, and election officials, the Electoral College, the Justice Department, the Department of Homeland Security, and the US Supreme Court.
The Deep State conspiracy strikes again!
Dick Cheney!?! You know it’s bad for trumpers when even he’s not going along with the bs
It’s no fun taking one of Trump’s “perfect” calls where your coerced and threatened to help him steal an election. Hats off to the brave republicans that are doing this.
There was no slander involved WB. He had that polling error that I correctly pointed out. Making false claims though is what a trumpers does though and doubling down on them when it’s called out. Accuracy and democracy are things I value.
It’s no fun taking one of Trump’s “perfect” calls where your coerced and threatened to help him steal an election. Hats off to the brave republicans that are doing this.
That is again a lying narrative that misrepresents what was ACTUALLY said. As is crystal clear in the recorded call, Trump only asked him repeatedly to "do the right thing", to do what is right and correct, to do a recount.
There is nothing beyond blatant misrepresentation by you and the liberal media to indicate Trump persuaded Raffensperger to do anything other than disclose the true facts and evidence. It is suppression of the true facts that allows Biden to win.
It’s no fun taking one of Trump’s “perfect” calls where your coerced and threatened to help him steal an election. Hats off to the brave republicans that are doing this.
The "brave Republicans" who sell out not only Republicans, but the American people, by allowing corrupt Bolshevik marxist radicals to seize power, by their bought silence, and suppression of the true facts.
All 10 living former defense secretaries declare election is over in forceful public letter
(CNN)All 10 living former US defense secretaries declared that the US presidential election is over in a forceful public letter published in The Washington Post on Sunday as President Donald Trump continues to deny his election loss to Joe Biden.
The letter -- signed by Dick Cheney, James Mattis, Mark Esper, Leon Panetta, Donald Rumsfeld, William Cohen, Chuck Hagel, Robert Gates, William Perry and Ashton Carter -- amounts to a remarkable show of force against Trump's subversion efforts just days before Congress is set to count Electoral College votes.
"Our elections have occurred. Recounts and audits have been conducted. Appropriate challenges have been addressed by the courts. Governors have certified the results. And the electoral college has voted. The time for questioning the results has passed; the time for the formal counting of the electoral college votes, as prescribed in the Constitution and statute, has arrived," the group wrote.
Since Election Day, Trump has falsely claimed that a second term is being stolen, even as there have been no credible allegations of widespread voting issues as affirmed by dozens of judges, governors, and election officials, the Electoral College, the Justice Department, the Department of Homeland Security, and the US Supreme Court.
The Deep State conspiracy strikes again!
Dick Cheney!?! You know it’s bad for trumpers when even he’s not going along with the bs
Establishment Republicans can be expected to betray Trump, they have more in common with the corrupt Democrats than with a reformer like Trump. Keeping the corrupt status quo allows both the establishment Democrats and the establishment Republicans (AND their sons, daughters, brothers, spouses, etc.) to keep cashing in at the expense of thee American people. See again the book OBAMANOMICS by Tim Carney, that details the corporate and lobby influence on both parties. See also the book CULTURE OF CORRUPTION by Michelle Malkin for abundant evidence of corrupt money going to Joe Biden and his family, as well as other Democrat leaders.
I love how W. Bush and Cheney were all for contesting an election in 2000, but now it's suddenly "sedition" and "disruptive" for Trump to do exactly the same in contesting a clearly rigged election. For which I've already linked abundant evidence the election was rigged. They, like Democrats, are loyal to a corrupt system that has enriched them, not to the American people.
All 10 living former defense secretaries declare election is over in forceful public letter
(CNN)All 10 living former US defense secretaries declared that the US presidential election is over in a forceful public letter published in The Washington Post on Sunday as President Donald Trump continues to deny his election loss to Joe Biden.
The letter -- signed by Dick Cheney, James Mattis, Mark Esper, Leon Panetta, Donald Rumsfeld, William Cohen, Chuck Hagel, Robert Gates, William Perry and Ashton Carter -- amounts to a remarkable show of force against Trump's subversion efforts just days before Congress is set to count Electoral College votes.
"Our elections have occurred. Recounts and audits have been conducted. Appropriate challenges have been addressed by the courts. Governors have certified the results. And the electoral college has voted. The time for questioning the results has passed; the time for the formal counting of the electoral college votes, as prescribed in the Constitution and statute, has arrived," the group wrote.
Since Election Day, Trump has falsely claimed that a second term is being stolen, even as there have been no credible allegations of widespread voting issues as affirmed by dozens of judges, governors, and election officials, the Electoral College, the Justice Department, the Department of Homeland Security, and the US Supreme Court.
The Deep State conspiracy strikes again!
Respectfully, it is un-American to pressure trump to concede without exhausting his legal options. The same legal options these same Republicans supported for a more establishment George W. Bush in 2000.
And the same legal options the Democrats pursued in 1969, 2000, 2016 and 2019.
Either Trump has the same rights as these others, and it is not "subversion", or all these others are as guilty of "subversion" as Donald Trump allegedly is.
I love how Democrats as prominent as Biden, Pelosi and Schumer are bemoaning Trump's alleged divisiveness, but are simultaneously now pushing to have him removed from office just 13 days before his term ends.
Irony, that. So much for Democrat "unity".
We are just seeing the beginning of how divisive, vicious and violent the Democrat party is going to be, once they have consolidated what they believe is enough power to steamroll over all political opposition. They are the party of BLM and Antifa, of tearing down statues of our nation's founders, urinating on our nation's history, and kicking the gates of illegal immigration wide open. Of a president Biden (and family) who are completely sold out to the Chinese Communist Party, and have eagerly taken cash for that sellout in the millions.
The Democrats have already made clear they want to "crush Trump and his supporters so completely they can never rise up again" (Jennifer Rubin, New York Times). Or in the words of Clinton official Robert Reich, (very China or Soviet-like) appoint tribunals to force Trump officials to publicly confess and repent for their alleged crimes.
Add to that how media giants like Facebook, Twitter, Youtube, and Amazon are silencing all conservative speech. And Google is suppressing all access to conservative information.
I suspect in the opening months of a Biden administration, they will expand their over-reach to shutting down 2nd Amendment rights, and perhaps even seizure of guns in the hands of private citizens. While, of course, de-funding the police, so that we have neither state protection or personal protection.
We just had the capital stormed by protrump rioters. 50 capital police injured by the folks Trump “loves”. That literally just happened yesterday. In what reality is trump not divisive?
We just had the capital stormed by pro trump rioters. 50 capital police injured by the folks Trump “loves”. That literally just happened yesterday. In what reality is trump not divisive?
AGAIN: The "Trump protesters" have not been identified. And the Capitol police were alerted and warned at least a day in advance that BLM and Antifa were planning violence under cover of PRETENDING to be Trump protestors.
And also, you ignore the seige on the White House by BLM/Antifa a few months ago, where they burned a historic church across the street from 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, while attempting to do the same to the White House, and Secret Service saw it as severe enough they evacuated the president. **AND** Washington DC Mayor Muriel Bowser created a "Black Lives Matter Plaza" to honor the insurrectionists !
You know what's divisive, M E M? The pieces of shit who run your party, Biden, Pelosi and Schumer, who far from bringing the country together, raise the lying talking point about impeaching Trump in his last 13 days, instead of just letting the clock run out and more graciously taking power in 13 days. THAT is as "divisive" and incendiary as it gets !
Going back since the 2000 election, and getting more vicious and bitter and threatening with each election, your side is the catalyst of the hate and viciousness an division nationwide, and with each consecutive manufactured incident your side incites, you have the audacity to accuse the Republicans of provoking it. Your party are Bolshevik maniacs, who increasingly win by mob intimidation, and they have made clear in speeches and texts their violent intentions. And now they are about to have the absolute power to actually do it. God help us all.
As the quisling “conservative” media attacks Trump and his voters, facial recognition proves that Antifa had infiltrated the MAGA marchers during the protests on Wednesday.
The news media went wild on Wednesday when a group of protesters had broken through a cordon of police to enter the capitol as Congress met to certify the results of last month’s Electoral College vote. But were the people who perpetrated the unrest really members of the MAGA movement?
Well, it appears that at least some of them were infiltrators from the anti-American terrorist outfit called Antifa.
According to the Washington Times, electronic surveillance has identified some of those among the MAGA protesters as Antifa.
Per the Times:
A retired military officer told The Washington Times that the firm XRVision used its software to do facial recognition of protesters and matched two Philadelphia antifa members to two men inside the Senate.
The source provided the photo match to The Times.
One has a tattoo that indicates he is a Stalinist sympathizer. antifa promotes anarchy through violence and wants the end of America in favor of a Stalinist-state. “No more USA at all” is a protest chant.
XRVision also has identified another man who, while not known to have antics links, is someone who shows up at climate and Black Lives Matter protests in the West.
The paper also noted that Antifa has been telling its members to disguise themselves as MAGA marchers to cause havoc.
“Before the Nov. 4 election, an antifa chapter sent out on social media a reminder for members to disguise themselves as Trump supporters by wearing the distinctive red Make American Great Again (MAGA) hat,” the Times wrote. “On Nov. 4 don’t forget to disguise yourselves as patriots/Trump supporters. Wear MAGA hats. USA flags. A convincing police uniform is even better. This way police and patriots responding to US won’t know who their enemies are and onlookers and the media will think there are Trump supporters rioting so it’s harder to turn popular opinion against us.”
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Warner Todd Huston has been writing editorials and news since 2001 but started his writing career penning articles about U.S. history back in the early 1990s. Huston has appeared on Fox News, Fox Business Network, CNN, and several local Chicago News programs to discuss the issues of the day. Additionally, he is a regular guest on radio programs from coast to coast. Huston has also been a Breitbart News contributor since 2009. Warner works out of the Chicago area, a place he calls a "target rich environment" for political news.
The comments below are also interesting, and quite articulate, many of whom say they participated in the protests and were there, some of them inside the Capitol when it happened.
Oh, and of the 50 arrests, only 5 were participants in the Capitol violence. The others were all arrests for "violating curfew".
The FBI has uncovered no evidence that supporters of the Antifa movement were involved in the pro-Trump riot at this U.S. Capitol, a bureau official said Friday.
The announcement debunks claims pushed forward by some right-wing pundits and politicians that the anarchist movement’s supporters were part of the angry mob that stormed the Capitol.
During a press briefing Friday, a reporter asked if Antifa activists had disguised themselves as Trump supporters during the riot.
Still, some Trump allies, far-right journalists and politicians have peddled baseless theories about Antifa participation in the riot.
Against the liberal talking points that there is no evidence of Antifa involvement, that is what the Capitol police guarding the grounds were advised, and what they told multiple House and Senate members. The tactics are typical of Antifa and BLM, not typical of Trump supporters.
And why would the FBI not want to find any evidence of leftist radicals instead of Trump supporters involved?
Even if you truly felt that way g that hardly justifies trump trying to steal the election. This bitch can’t even call and concede like Hillary did.
Going to court, or any other deliberative body set up for that purpose, and arguing one’s position isn’t trying to steal anything.
Your position that people in the opposing political party should have no right to petition for redress of grievances is duly noted and, unfortunately, hardly surprising.
Washington (CNN)President Donald Trump and his attorney Rudy Giuliani both mistakenly made calls to Republican Sen. Mike Lee as deadly riots were unfolding at the US Capitol earlier this week, a spokesman for the senator confirmed to CNN -- calls that were intended for another GOP senator the White House was frantically trying to convince to delay the counting of Electoral College votes.
Lee's spokesman said the calls from Trump and his attorney were intended for Sen. Tommy Tuberville, a newly elected Republican from Alabama.
The effort by the White House to get Tuberville to delay certification of the votes provides insight into the President's thinking and priorities as a mob of his supporters lay siege to the iconic building. As the President worked to convince Tuberville to delay the process, he and other top White House officials did little to check in on Vice President Mike Pence while he and members of his family were inside the breached Capitol, a source close to the vice president told CNN.
Trump first called the personal cell phone of Lee, a Utah Republican, shortly after 2 p.m. ET. At that time the senators had been evacuated from the Senate floor and were in a temporary holding room, as a pro-Trump mob began breaching the Capitol.
Lee picked up the phone and Trump identified himself, and it became clear he was looking for Tuberville and had been given the wrong number. Lee, keeping the President on hold, went to find his colleague and handed Tuberville his phone, telling him the President was on the line and had been trying to reach him.
It's alleged that President Trump, in his 12 noon speech on Wednesday, Jan 6 2021, was somehow an incendiary catalyst that "incited" a raging pro-Trump mob to violence.
And since it the rush of protestors into the Capitol building, that lying narrative has been fronted (whether they were in fact a few Trump protestors, or whether they were Democrat/Antifa PRETENDING to be Trump supporters, infiltrating the protest). And immediately after, Facebook and Twitter both suspended Trump's accounts, and Youtube likewise is purging anything that would reveal the true facts and disprove that lying narrative.
The best I could find is this transcribed text of Trump's speech :
A few typos, but at least it's preserved in this form.
How much proof do you need that the leftist media is lying, when they won't even let you see the video, to judge for yourself?
The rally went on peacefully for hours after Trump's speech.
And it was only after Pence refused to give Republican legislators the expected legal authorization to go into 10 days of debate, and news got out to the protestors, that the protestors moved toward thr Capitol, and a small group got violent.
And shortly after the clash with Capitol police, Trump gave the more brief statement I transcribed, encouraging everyone at the protest rally to remain peaceful and go home.
Originally Posted by President Donald J. Trump
I know your pain, I know you're hurt. We had an election that was stolen from us. It was a landslide election and everyone knows it, especially the other side. But you have to go home now. We have to have peace. We have to have law and order. We have to respect our great people in law and order. We don't want anybody hurt.
It's a very tough period of time. There's never been a time like this where such a thing happened where they could take it away from all of us — from me, from you, from our country. This was a fraudulent election, but we can't play into the hands of these people. We have to have peace. So go home. We love you. You're very special. You've seen what happens. You see the way others are treated that are so bad and so evil.
I know how you feel, but go home, and go home in peace.
Because the constitution totally calls for a 10 day time period if the losers don’t accept losing we probably should understand that they (the antifa posing trump supporters) had a right to storm the capital killing one cop and injuring many more while trump and rudy tried forcing our elected officials to reject legal election results.
And It took a long time for Trump to tell the rioters to go home. Instead of trying to defuse the riot he was busy trying to use the riot he incited to delay certification. It’s such a huge betrayal WB that you can’t just pass off.
And It took a long time for Trump to tell the rioters to go home. Instead of trying to defuse the riot he was busy trying to use the riot he incited to delay certification. It’s such a huge betrayal WB that you can’t just pass off.
That's because, according to GOP Senator Mike Lee of Utah, Trump was busy wrong dialing him trying to get Tommy Tuberville to delay the certification.
Courts continually refuse to hear cases regarding voter fraud on the premises of "standing" and the Doctrine of Laches. Evidence is ignored.
Georgia, Michigan, and Pennsylvania legislatures demand house sessions to analyze growing body of evidence. Governors tell them to go fuck themselves.
Trump asks very specific questions of Raffensperburglergrjonf regarding wrongdoing and then leaks his own recording of the discussion via Whitehouse aid.
AOC, MEM, Sammitch, etc demand lists of Trump voters so they can toss them into camps. And they want to arrest Trump.
The runoff elections produces the same suspicious vertical spike upticks in democratic votes in the dead of night allowing them to win by JUST the right amount of votes.
Trump calls for mass demonstration in DC on the 6th to show the congress his supporter base. Whether he knew Antifa would infiltrate crowds or if he called for the crowds to show up to stymie MAGA-dressed Antifa operators--the presence of which he had foreknowledge--is a bit of a guessing game. My thinking is it was the latter since Pelosi knew the squishy corrupt congress would need a face-saving excuse to pull back on making objections to the electors and arranged to have Antifa's presence at the capitol prior to Trump calling for a protest. And thus it's easier for Pence and the GOP to betray Trump while fueling the narrative of fomenting insurrection.....and then the Airmen gets shot. Called it:
"I'm hoping I'm wrong on this one and that Trump has a trick up his sleeve to mitigate or nullify the likely friction (to put it lightly) that will ensue today and over the course of the next month or so. But there's too many factors, too many actors, and too much on the line to assume anything other than shots fired."
All media outlets, both social and televised, run with the narrative and enforce straight radio silence on all Trump supporters--even Trump himself. All under the auspices of "preventing violence." Corporations and the general elite work in tandem with these same media outlets to deplatform free speech dispensaries such as Parler, Bitchute, and Gab (see also: Dems using El Paso to shut down infinity). Anything and anyone that does not conform to the narrative is blacklisted and destroyed.
AOC, MEM, Sammitch, etc demand lists of Trump voters so they can toss them into camps. And they want to arrest Trump.
Military intelligence operations unearth the foreign source of vote tampering in Italy via personnel working for defense contractor Leonardo SpA. Mainstream ignores on account of the clear implications involving Trump's 2018 Executive Order.
Pelosi and McConnell push for impeachment and/or 25th Amendment this week. What could they possibly be afraid of that they have to push this now of all times.........
AOC, MEM, Sammitch, etc demand lists of Trump voters so they can toss them into camps. And they want to arrest Trump.
Current speculation: Trump invoked the Insurrection Act. People have made this claim, but I'm having trouble confirming it. Especially since it might be superfluous in the face of Trump already declaring a national emergency.
And of course, the people by and large are rejecting the clearly premeditated narratives because Trump has long since castrated mainstream news.
And It took a long time for Trump to tell the rioters to go home. Instead of trying to defuse the riot he was busy trying to use the riot he incited to delay certification. It’s such a huge betrayal WB that you can’t just pass off.
You're full of shit. It took Trump maybe an hour at most.
And as I said, The protesters left immediately. When there are calls for the Left to stand down, even by Democrats, they keep right on looting and burning.
And It took a long time for Trump to tell the rioters to go home. Instead of trying to defuse the riot he was busy trying to use the riot he incited to delay certification. It’s such a huge betrayal WB that you can’t just pass off.
You're full of shit. It took Trump maybe an hour at most.
And as I said, The protesters left immediately. When there are calls for the Left to stand down, even by Democrats, they keep right on looting and burning.
Pro-Trump rioters breached the capital at 2:15 and your pos released a lame video at 4. Pro-trump rioters timeline
And It took a long time for Trump to tell the rioters to go home. Instead of trying to defuse the riot he was busy trying to use the riot he incited to delay certification. It’s such a huge betrayal WB that you can’t just pass off.
You're full of shit. It took Trump maybe an hour at most.
And as I said, The protesters left immediately. When there are calls for the Left to stand down, even by Democrats, they keep right on looting and burning.
Pro-Trump rioters breached the capital at 2:15 and your pos released a lame video at 4. Pro-trump rioters timeline
Wow, slightly over an hour after it happened! To hear you tell it, you'd think it was 7 days or 2 weeks later. Remember the beheading of an American journalist (James Foley) by Al Qaida, where it took Obama over a week to make a public comment? And then cynically started golfing less than 30 seconds later? A callous and bare minimum response.
Remember the two U.S. Marines, in two separate incidents, that were unjustly put in Mexican prison, where Obama *NEVER* made a public statement on their behalf publicly, necer made an appeal on their behalf to the Mexican government? Who were only released because they had health problems, and Mexico released them because they didn't want the blowback of being responsible for killing American soldiers. Their imprisonment was essentially kidnapping by state officials, and extorting payment for their release, a frequent tactic by officials in Mexico.
Remember the U.S. soldier killed in his recruiting office by a muslim, where again it took your piece of shit former president Obama two weeks to respond?
Or where Obama made public comments that racialized and further inflamed rioting in cities nationwide, on the occasions of both Trayvon Martin in Sanford Florida, and Michael Brown in Ferguson Missouri? "If I had a son he would have loked like Trayvon..." Throwing even more kerosine on the fire.
It took Trump maybe an hour at most. And it probably took Trump at least 30 or 45 minutes to learn there was an incident at the Capitol, and time to compose an articulate statement that addressed all the issues involved. And far from "lame", Trump hit exactly the right note with his words, both with protestors and the nation, and the crowd, even Capitol police were impressed with how quickly the crowd left. Trump addressed well the frustration his 74,223,000 voters nationwide were feeling, gave them much needed appreciation in the face of a fixed system that never gave them their day in court. But gently made the point that even any further completely peaceful protest that day would have been unproductive, and just exploited by the vicious Democrat/Left. Pundit comments said Trump was very sincere and seemed deeply grieved by what happened while giving his comments.
What you try to spin in a lying narrative as Trump "inciting a riot", M E M :
Originally Posted by President Donald J. Trump, January 6, 2021
I know in a few minutes you are going to march over to the Capitol, to peacefully and patriotically let your voices be heard.
How your Bolshevik-Democrat party twists that into "incitement" is absurd.
Only by not showing Trump's actual speech on video, and just having Democrat leaders and liberal media pundits themselves say, "Trump incited a riot" can that lying narrative be spread, by not allowing people to see what Trump actually said.
As Alan Dershowitz said last night, Trump is using the exact same phrasing as hundreds of other political leaders before him have said at political rallies in Washington. You're all liars, M E M, Trump's actual words make that clear.
KAMALA HARRIS on BLM riots: "They're gonna keep going right up through election day, they're not going to stop, and they SHOULDN'T stop."
*THAT*, M E M, is endorsing and inciting violence. Likewise Cory Booker, Maxine Waters, Hillary Clinton, and pretty much the entire Democrat-Bolshevik party. Biden and the rest of the DNC have likewise passively endorsed BLM and Antifa violence by refusing to criticize it.
She’s talking about the peaceful protesters WB. You know like the pro-trump ones that didn’t storm and riot in the capital. Or build gallows or kill and injure cops. (Trump’s special people)
She’s talking about the peaceful protesters WB. You know like the pro-trump ones that didn’t storm and riot in the capital. Or build gallows or kill and injure cops. (Trump’s special people)
That's horseshit, M E M. Kamala Harris is talking about riots and intimidation, "keeping up the pressure", she makes no distinction at any point to exclude violent protests from that "pressure".
As contrasted with Trump who specifically said "let your voices be peacefully and patriotically heard". And "This was a fraudulent election, but we can't play into the hands of these people. "
There’s a very simple and obvious reason Trump could not have incited the violence, one that has nothing to do with what he has said, and everything to do with WHERE and WHEN he said it. The connection between these points is so simple a child could follow it — maybe even Nancy Pelosi.
For Trump to have incited violence in a crowd, that crowd must have heard what he had to say. That makes sense, right? And it won’t require any complex explanation? If they weren’t part of the crowd, there’s no sense in Democrats and media blaming the crowd of protesters. If the attackers left before Trump addressed the crowd, their reasons for busting up the place must have been something OTHER than what the President said to supposedly ‘incite’ the crowd to violent action.
The other consideration is the distance between where the speech was given, and where the criminal actions took place. Now that we’ve set up the elements in tension, here is Raheem Kassam to present his argument for why Trump could not POSSIBLY have incited violence on the 6th of January.
The website he refers to explains in more concise detail:
And while the Washington Post clumsily attempts to blame President Trump for the violence, despite the President calling for “peaceful” protests and the “cheering on” of Congressmen, their own article admits the “first wave of protesters arrived at the Capitol about 12:40pm.”
President Trump’s speech didn’t conclude until 1:11pm, and with at least a 45-minute walk between the two locations with crowd-related delays, that would put the first people from Trump’s speech at Capitol Hill no earlier than 1:56pm – a full hour and sixteen minutes after troublemakers arrived.
In fact, rioters who breached the perimeter would have had to leave before Trump’s speech even began (at 12pm precisely) to make it in time for the events as they are detailed by authorities.
The Washington Post also states: “Sund’s outer perimeter on the Capitol’s west side was breached within 15 minutes,” meaning the Capitol was breached over an hour before Trump speech attendees could have even begun to arrive.
This correlates with Sund’s interview, where he admits: “I realized at 1pm, things aren’t going well… I’m watching my people getting slammed.”
Again, 1pm would have been a full 56 minutes before any Trump speech-attendees could have begun arriving, let alone breaching the perimeter and clashing with police. Downtown Washington, D.C. roads were closed. There was no way of arriving faster, let alone before the President had finished speaking.
At 1:09pm, still before the President had finished speaking, Sund called the Sergeants-at-arms of the House and Senate. He told them it was time to call in the National Guard. He even said he wanted an emergency declaration. Both, however, said they would “run it up the chain” and get back to him.
At 1:50pm the Capitol itself was breached. Still before most Trump speech attendees could have arrived. –TheNationalPulse
Supporting video and timeline graphs at the link.
Evidence that shows a group of people showed up at the rally (Antifa?) with a plan to initiate violence, irregardless of and unrelated to Trump's January 6, 2021 speech, that has a clear peaceful protest message.
Unbelievable. In the last few hours, the House Democrats passed a fraudulent vote to impeach President Trump a Second time, just as abusively and illegitimately as the first time. With the help of 10 RINO Republicans who have opposed and obstructed Trump's presidency for 4 years, with establishment Republican Liz Cheney leading the pack.
The Democrats had no hearings, presented NO EVIDENCE before they took a vote to do this. Because as I pointed out, there is no evidence to present. Many who voted against Trump, such as Maxine Waters or Eric Swalwell, are openly guilty of "incitement" and treason themselves. It is absurd that these people can vote to destroy Trump, who is guilty of nothing, while they themselves are guilty of the very things they falsely accuse Trump of !
It reminds me of the movie Mean Girls, where the mean popular girls don't like another girl, so they just make up rumors she's a slut to destroy her, just to crush her and make her life hell. And Pelosi is the meanest, most malicious girl of all.
Impeached TWICE. And both times done maliciously for purely political reasons, for doing absolutely nothing wrong. While his accusers are themselves truly guilty of exactly what they accuse him of. See the above video clips of Kamala Harris, Cory Booker, Maxine Waters, and the rest. This is not about "incitement", it's about Democrats trying to destroy Trump and his voter-base, by whatever contrived abuse of the law possible. Not because it's right, but just because they can, with no one to stop them or hold them accountable.
Lol, Liz Cheney is hardly a rino WB. And what do these republicans get for voting to impeach trump? I ask after watching rabid trumpers chant “hang pence” as they rioted in the capital. She just earned death threats and probably a primary challenge. While I admire her patriotism she’s still very conservative so folks like me are not going to vote for her. So why do you think she voted for impeachment WB?
I think that's clear enough. She's the daughter of former V P Dick Cheney, that is the definition of an establishment neo-con elitist Republican. As opposed to a nationist/populist like Trump, and the movement he leads.
And the establishment Democrats, the establishment Republicans, the globalists (that also includes the Soros-funded BLM and Antifa Left and the Bernie Sanders wing marxist revolutionaries), and their Democrat/deep state allies in the FBI, DOJ, State Department, CIA, and every other tentacle of the establishment/deep state beast. Which also includes many judges, up to and including, as we've seen over the last two months, the U.S. Supreme Court. So, more succinctly, fuck yes it's a conspiracy.
And a conspiracy by a group of violent radicals, agents of a Democrat party who have already infiltrated Trump rallies in 2016 to start violence and then blame it on Trump, but were proven (by Project Veritas, ON VIDEO) to be thug agents of the Hillary Clinton campaign, who openly boasted they were paid through "a double wall of deniability".
Also:
Text by LISA PAGE: "Trump's not going to be president, right? RIGHT?!?" Text by PETER STRZOK: "No. No, he won't. We will stop it."
Yeah, a false flag conspiracy against Trump and his supporters couldn't possibly happen...
Disloyalty to big (orange) brother will not be tolerated! Putting country above that pos guarantees death threats and getting ran out of the party for republicans.
I think that's clear enough. She's the daughter of former V P Dick Cheney, that is the definition of an establishment neo-con elitist Republican. As opposed to a nationist/populist like Trump, and the movement he leads.
And the establishment Democrats, the establishment Republicans, the globalists (that also includes the Soros-funded BLM and Antifa Left and the Bernie Sanders wing marxist revolutionaries), and their Democrat/deep state allies in the FBI, DOJ, State Department, CIA, and every other tentacle of the establishment/deep state beast. Which also includes many judges, up to and including, as we've seen over the last two months, the U.S. Supreme Court. So, more succinctly, fuck yes it's a conspiracy.
And a conspiracy by a group of violent radicals, agents of a Democrat party who have already infiltrated Trump rallies in 2016 to start violence and then blame it on Trump, but were proven (by Project Veritas, ON VIDEO) to be thug agents of the Hillary Clinton campaign, who openly boasted they were paid through "a double wall of deniability".
Also:
Text by LISA PAGE: "Trump's not going to be president, right? RIGHT?!?" Text by PETER STRZOK: "No. No, he won't. We will stop it."
Yeah, a false flag conspiracy against Trump and his supporters couldn't possibly happen...
"Vote how you want, but deviating from the party is bad and we will punish you for it" is a pretty shitty position and you would shit all over it if it were spoken like that by Democrats. Clearly, yes, you are a fucking moron who slogged through OBAMANOMICS and some Pat Buchanan shit, realized reading was fucking hard, and never touched another book again...much less a book like 1984. You are fucking loon.
"Vote how you want, but deviating from the party is bad and we will punish you for it" is a pretty shitty position and you would shit all over it if it were spoken like that by Democrats. Clearly, yes, you are a fucking moron who slogged through OBAMANOMICS and some Pat Buchanan shit, realized reading was fucking hard, and never touched another book again...much less a book like 1984. You are fucking loon.
Quoted to preserve your own self-incriminating stupidity.
You claim to be a junior college professor, and yet this appears to be the best you can do in trying to articulate your thoughts.
Moron.
We're the Republican party, but we're going to have leadership under Liz Cheney that enacts policy directly opposite the will of 97% of the Republican voters who support Trump? Who has far grreater support than even Ronald Reagan, and certainly far more than Liz Cheney? The whole point of having a Republican party is to rally around leaders like Reagan and Trump, who most popularly represent the will of Republican voters. The purpose of a party is to represent the priorities of a maajority of its members and especially its voters. Liz Cheney is trying to hijack the will of those voters, just to elevate her own position and power.
And we should instead support leaders who help the Democrats impeach Trump OVER NOTHING, over a false narrative that is already crumbling not even a day after Liz Ceney, Pelosi and the Democrats used that false narrative to impeach Trump a second time over nothing? The timeline is falling apart, it doesn't fit the impeachment narrative that Trump "incited" the protesters. NYPD, FBI and DHS information now shows it was all pre-planned, a month in advance. And it is no longer a "conspiracy theory" that Antifa was involved, but proven to the point that FBI has arrested the ringleader, or at least one of several, and plenty of video of him boasting about infiltrating, planning the violence, doing the violence himself, and inciting others as well to commit violence and damage.
There are some less bright fringe idiots arrested from among actual Trump supporters as well, arrested on lesser charges like criminal trespass and theft of property. But my belief that the ones at the center of the violence has so far been borne out in the FBI's investigation and arrests, and Antifa's own videos from that day.
Explaining the 12th Amendment options that Vice President Pence had on Jan 6th, as quoted from a former assistant Attorney General John Yoo, and by a former Homeland Security Council deputy counsel Robert Delahunty....
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In October, writing for The American Mind, University of California, Berkeley, School of Law Professor (and former Deputy Assistant U.S. Attorney General [under George W. Bush]) John Yoo, as well as University of St. Thomas School of Law Professor (and former Deputy General Counsel of the United States Homeland Security Council [also under Dubya]) Robert Delahunty, related something of keen interest:
Under the 12th Amendment, “the President of the Senate [i.e., the Vice President] shall, in the Presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates [of the electoral votes of the states] and the votes shall then be counted.” Left unclear is who is to “count” the electors’ votes and how their validity is to be determined.
Over the decades, political figures and legal scholars have offered different answers to these constitutional questions. We suggest that the Vice President’s role is not the merely ministerial one of opening the ballots and then handing them over (to whom?) to be counted. Though the 12th Amendment describes the counting in the passive voice, the language seems to envisage a single, continuous process in which the Vice President both opens and counts the votes.
The check on error or fraud in the count is that the Vice President’s activities are to be done publicly, “in the presence” of Congress. And if “counting” the electors’ votes is the Vice President’s responsibility, then the inextricably intertwined responsibility for judging the validity of those votes must also be his.
Their article, titled What Happens if No One Wins?, and subtitled, “(t)he Constitution provides for election crises—and its provisions favor Trump,” is essential reading for a time like this, as well as the future, in my humble, non-barrister’s opinion.
Will Pence take advantage of his power under the 12th Amendment? Who is to say he cannot claim that vast fraud and irregularities took place, using Peter Navarro’s 36-page report, The Immaculate Deception, as reason for discarding the official Dem electors? After all, Navarro is hardly some schnook who just fell off the turnip wagon; he simultaneously serves as the Assistant to the President and the Director of Trade and Manufacturing Policy.
Of course, the Electoral Count Act, which specifies how Congress tallies electoral votes, should at least be brought up here, but the Act itself may be unconstitutional, as Yoo and Delahunty argue: “Congress cannot use legislation to dictate how any individual branch of government is to perform its unique duties: Congress could not prescribe how future Senates should conduct an impeachment trial, for example.”
It would be near-impossible to seriously maintain, then, that Pence is violating the law simply because he is following the plain language of the Constitution itself. Needless to mention, a great deal would do exactly that, which, at the very least, would make for some choice free entertainment.
...argues that Pence absolutely did have the authority to decide the election, or at the very least allow nationally televised debate of the evidence of election fraud. There were multiple paths to an V P or legislative overturn of the fraudulent election. Pence for whatever reason abdicated those options, that would have made him a hero to the over 50% of the country who can plainly see the Biden coup, under the guise of being a free and fair election, was illegitimate. Justice and legality would be not allowing it to stand.
Pence will forever be remembered as the VP who sold us all out, particularly in the face of an incredibly corrupt Biden administration, whose corruption and incompetence the nation might not survive.
He never broke 50% while he was President. Sort of hard to do when you’re pleasing the camp auschwitz crowd I would imagine.
Assuming the "camp Auschwitz"-shirt guy is not an Antifa guy PRETENDING to be a Trump supporter to smear them at the rally, as many others like Jon Sullivan were. And it was Sullivan who deliberately caused the violence, not Trump. As Trump's 1 hour and 11 minute speech proves (which is why leftist big tech social media and the liberal media are trying so hard to ban it, so people caan't see the truth, that Trump did nothing wrong). Just as the videos Jon Sullivan and his BLM group posted on social media self-incriminatingly prove that his leftist group were the ones truly responsible for the violence.
Sorry that these FACTS interfere with your lying narrative.
He never broke 50% while he was President. Sort of hard to do when you’re pleasing the camp auschwitz crowd I would imagine.
Assuming the "camp Auschwitz"-shirt guy is not an Antifa guy PRETENDING to be a Trump supporter to smear them at the rally, as many others like Jon Sullivan were. And it was Sullivan who deliberately caused the violence, not Trump. As Trump's 1 hour and 11 minute speech proves (which is why leftist big tech social media and the liberal media are trying so hard to ban it, so people caan't see the truth, that Trump did nothing wrong). Just as the videos Jon Sullivan and his BLM group posted on social media self-incriminatingly prove that his leftist group were the ones truly responsible for the violence.
Sorry that these FACTS interfere with your lying narrative.
He never broke 50% while he was President. Sort of hard to do when you’re pleasing the camp auschwitz crowd I would imagine.
Assuming the "camp Auschwitz"-shirt guy is not an Antifa guy PRETENDING to be a Trump supporter to smear them at the rally, as many others like Jon Sullivan were. And it was Sullivan who deliberately caused the violence, not Trump. As Trump's 1 hour and 11 minute speech proves (which is why leftist big tech social media and the liberal media are trying so hard to ban it, so people caan't see the truth, that Trump did nothing wrong). Just as the videos Jon Sullivan and his BLM group posted on social media self-incriminatingly prove that his leftist group were the ones truly responsible for the violence.
Sorry that these FACTS interfere with your lying narrative.
And the graph shows that during Trump's 4 years, Trump on many days polled higher than Obama at the same point in his presidency.
Keep pounding that delusional sand, you terrorist sympathizer!
I don't see any facts to prove my alleged delusion, just your usual petty insults.
Even if this "camp Aushwitz" guy turns out to be an actual Trump supporter, he's one lone nut, and not representative of the Trump movement, or a participant in any violence. Also: 1) Trump's son-in-law, Jared Kushner is Jewish 2) his daughter Ivanka, Kushner's wife, converted to Judaism 3) Trump's grandchildren are Jewish 4) Trump, after 30 years of promises to do so by 5 previous presidents, is the president who finally fulfilled the promise to move the U.S. embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem. 5) Trump is otherwise the most pro-Israel president ever. 6) Trump negotiated a middle east peace deal that has secured the safety of millions of Jews in Israel 7) Democrats are the party of antisemitism, as exemplified by Ilhan Omar, Rashida Tlaib, Barack Obama and Keith Ellison's ties to rabid antisemite Louis Farrakhan. And the entire party removing a pro-Israel policy from their platform. And for that matter, removed the God of Israel from their platform.
....Oh wait. No it isn't. Trump is drawing tremendously huge crowds every where he goes--even places he hasn't gone (see also: Beverly Hills)--and, predictably, the polls have once again gone from YUGELY favoring Democrats to evening out with, or leaning toward, Trump.
Trump will win in a landslide both in the popular vote and the electoral college. Any other reported result will, and should, be challenged.
I'm hearings murmuring about watermarks. Very sophisticated and impossible to duplicate watermarks that are on ballots the ballots....hmmmmm....this will get VERY interesting if true.
President Donald Trump publicly lashed out at Gov. Doug Ducey on Monday, contending the Republican leader and Trump supporter "betrayed the people of Arizona" by certifying an election that didn't go the president's way.
As Ducey signed the certification documents Monday, his cellphone buzzed with the ringtone of "Hail to the Chief." Ducey said he set that for calls coming from the White House. Monday, he muted the ring tone and set the phone aside, continuing to sign documents that made Trump's loss official.
Link - Breitbart: Texas Sues Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin at Supreme Court over Election Rules
The State of Texas filed a lawsuit directly with the U.S. Supreme Court shortly before midnight on Monday challenging the election procedures in Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin on the grounds that they violate the Constitution.
Texas argues that these states violated the Electors Clause of the Constitution because they made changes to voting rules and procedures through the courts or through executive actions, but not through the state legislatures. Additionally, Texas argues that there were differences in voting rules and procedures in different counties within the states, violating the Constitution’s Equal Protection Clause. Finally, Texas argues that there were “voting irregularities” in these states as a result of the above.
Texas is asking the Supreme Court to order the states to allow their legislatures to appoint their electors. The lawsuit says:
Certain officials in the Defendant States presented the pandemic as the justification for ignoring state laws regarding absentee and mail-in voting. The Defendant States flooded their citizenry with tens of millions of ballot applications and ballots in derogation of statutory controls as to how they are lawfully received, evaluated, and counted. Whether well intentioned or not, these unconstitutional acts had the same uniform effect—they made the 2020 election less secure in the Defendant States. Those changes are inconsistent with relevant state laws and were made by non-legislative entities, without any consent by the state legislatures. The acts of these officials thus directly violated the Constitution.
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This case presents a question of law: Did the Defendant States violate the Electors Clause by taking non-legislative actions to change the election rules that would govern the appointment of presidential electors? These non-legislative changes to the Defendant States’ election laws facilitated the casting and counting of ballots in violation of state law, which, in turn, violated the Electors Clause of Article II, Section 1, Clause 2 of the U.S. Constitution. By these unlawful acts, the Defendant States have not only tainted the integrity of their own citizens’ vote, but their actions have also debased the votes of citizens in Plaintiff State and other States that remained loyal to the Constitution.
Texas approached the Supreme Court directly because Article III provides that it is the court of first impression on subjects where it has original jurisdiction, such as disputes between two or more states.
Tim Pool phrased it adequately. Texas has just NUKED the Democrats from Orbit. This suit meets ALL the qualifications:
1) It goes direct to the Supreme Court on account of a dispute between multiple states.
2) It was filed mere HOURS before safe harbor day, which puts all of the defendant states in dispute and de-solidifies electors.
3) Because this is a dispute between the states addressing the constitutionality--or lack thereof--of the past election, that means that Trump is not actually engaging in Lawfare since the Constitution supercedes the law.
Link - WT: GOP electors cast votes for Trump in Arizona, Georgia, Pennsylvania
Republican electors in Arizona, Georgia and Pennsylvania cast votes for President Trump and Vice President Mike Pence on Monday in hopes a court might overturn Joseph R. Biden’s win, even as the Electoral College voted across the nation to certify the Democrat’s victory.
Georgia Republican Party Chairman David Shafer said Republican electors met at the state capitol to cast votes for Mr. Trump because a Trump campaign lawsuit challenging the state’s election is still pending.
“Had we not meet today and cast our votes, the President’s pending election contest would have been effectively mooted. Our action today preserves his rights under Georgia law,” Mr. Shafer tweeted.
The Pennsylvania GOP said the Trump campaign asked Republican electors to vote for Mr. Trump to preserve the right to another legal challenge that could overturn Mr. Biden’s win.
“We took this procedural vote to preserve any legal claims that may be presented going forward,” Trump campaign Pennsylvania chair Bernie Comfort said in a statement. “This was in no way an effort to usurp or contest the will of the Pennsylvania voters.”
Arizona GOP Chair Kelli Ward said Republican electors also met Monday to vote for Mr. Trump. She said legal challenges to the election are still being heard.
“It is imperative that the proper electors are counted by Congress,” she said.
The actions keep open the option of sending pro-Trump slates of electors to Congress, which will vote on Jan. 6 on whether to accept each state’s electoral votes. Congress can only approve one slate of electors from each state, either for Mr. Biden or for Mr. Trump.
Apparently, WI and MI GOP Electors voted as well, but I'm still trying to confirm that.
They say that this is for a provisional declaration on the 6th. But I don't think this is going to be fully determined til the 20th. Just a hunch.
The Chinese Foreign Ministry gushed over President Joe Biden’s inauguration on Thursday, although its river of praise read more like a backhanded parting shot at the departing Trump administration than any deep appreciation for the new one.
As Reuters pointed out, Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Hua Chunying made a point of including a new propaganda phrase adapted by the Chinese Communist Party from a line in Biden’s inaugural speech and repeated by Chinese state media: “I believe if both countries put in the effort, the kind angels can triumph over evil forces.” The line is a play on Biden saying, “Through struggle, sacrifice, and setbacks, our better angels have always prevailed.” Biden was, in turn, quoting Abraham Lincoln’s inaugural address.
“In the past years, the Trump administration, especially Pompeo, has laid too many mines that need to be removed, burned too many bridges that need to be rebuilt, damaged too many roads that need to be repaired,” Hua said on Thursday, referring to former Secretary of State Mike Pompeo. “President Biden also mentioned in his inauguration speech that Americans have much to heal, much to restore. This is exactly what China-U.S. relations need,” she said.
Apparently, that need for healing and restoration is not urgent enough for China to drop the petty-revenge sanctions it imposed on departing Trump officials during the Biden inauguration ceremony. Even the Biden team thought those sanctions were a bit much, denouncing them as “unproductive and cynical,” but Hua insisted they were appropriate and would remain in force. “China’s decision to impose sanctions on these U.S. individuals is a legitimate and necessary response to their erroneous behaviors that severely violated China’s sovereignty, security and development interests on China-related issues. It fully demonstrates the Chinese government’s determination to safeguard national interests,” she said. “I must stress that in the past few years, out of selfish political agenda and bias and hatred against China, some anti-China politicians in the United States planned, worked on and made a lot of crazy moves that severely interfered in China’s internal affairs, undermined China’s interests, hurt the Chinese people’s sentiments, and damaged China-U.S. relations. China has pointed out multiple times that these anti-China politicians will pay for their crazy acts,” she added.
Those "selfish" and " erroneous behaviors" were, y'know, eliminating annual trade deficits of over 500 billion a year to something resembling proportionate and equal mutual trade, putting pressure on China to stop its cyber-theft estimated at about 600 billion a year, targeting every U.S. large company and every federal branch of government hit by Chinese cyber-hacking,. AndChinese aggression toward its neighbors in and around the South China sea. And its attempted crushing human rights violations in Hong Kong, and increasingly telegraphing they plan to do the same to Taiwan. And imprisonment, slave labor, forced sterilization, torture and genocide of Uyghurs in Xinxiang province, estimated to be about 1 to 3 million incarcerated. And the same treatment of those in occupied Tibet.
You know. "selfish" stuff like that. Stuff Biden will roll over and play dead over, and allow the Chinese to run wild.
The Chinese were holding out to see if #JoeChina, China's inside man, could get elected, and they were successful. Trump never avoided the subject, he plainly said that if he was elected to a second term (and he was, and electoral fraud cheated him of that second term) that China could not hold out another 4 years, and would within weeks of his re-election be forced to sign a deal with Trump. Same with Iran. Same with North Korea.
But because Biden was able to rig the vote and do a soft coup, all these nations are laughing at us and slapping each other high-fives. Likewise Al Qaida. Likewise the Mexican drug cartels (that also make a third of their profits trafficking illegals into the U.S.). Likewise ISIS. Likewise Russia.
Not even a week into Biden's presidency, he is destroying this country from within. Biden scrapped the Keystone XL pipeline from Canada, that instantly terminated 11,000 jobs and threatens U.S. oil independence, and will kill another 700,000 jobs over the next 10 years. Biden is allowing Chinese components into the U.S. electrical grid, that can be cyber-hacked and be used in a war to destroy us. Biden wants to re-enter the Iran nuclear deal, that will ASSURE Iran gets nuclear weapons within just a few years. And they have ICBM's now that will allow them to target the U.S. and any other part of the world. AND WILL SET OFF A NUCLEAR ARMS RACE IN THE MIDDLE EAST. Biden re-entered the U.S. into the Paris Accord that Trump took us out of, that will further cripple U.S. industry, despite that WITHOUT that agreement, the U.S. has till now had lover emissions than any other nation on earth. And despite that while crippling COMPLIANT U.S. industry, the Paris Accord puts not requirements of compliance on China, India, Iran, North Korea or the other greatest polluters on earth. All it does is damage the U.S.
On every level, Biden is signing policy that will hurt the country, cause skyrocketing prices of fuel and goods, and eliminate millions of jobs. I seriously hope we can survive 4 years of Obama, before the Democratss can do permanent damage. He is acting as if he were elected and had a mandate, but he was NOT elected. And Democrats won't allow the evidence to be looked at, because they know that's the case. It is quantifiably proven by every measure that Trump is the most effective president in over 50 years, and has overseen the highest rise in incomes in every demographic: blacks, hispanics, women, asians, people under 25, and whites. The lowest unemployment in over 50 years. The first rise in real incomes in 50 years, ESPECIALLY benefitting the middle class and poor. A big part of that was reigning in illegal immigration, so that an uncontrolled swarm of illegal immigrants stopped driving down wages. Guess what Biden immediately destroyed? BORDER SECURITY.
It's an absolute fact that Joe Biden is a self-confessed prostitute for lobby cash who will sell himself to whoever greases him with corrupt financial compensation for the betrayal. Both Biden's sons sat on the boards of the largest corporations in his state, that greased him with huge campaign contributions, and were rewarded with huge legislative favors from Biden, that paid off for them in the billions. Biden is China's guy, and the New York Post broke that story a month before the election. Peter Schweizer and Gregg Jarrett exposed that corruption closer to 4 years ago in their books. Michelle Malkin exposed Biden's 50 years of corruption in her 2010 book CULTURE OF CORRUPTION. It's beyond denial. All the Orwellian mainstream media and social media do is suppress this information about Biden's undeniable corruption, but they cannot hide it. THAT's your "turd", M E M.
President Joe Biden campaigned on a message of unifying a deeply fractured nation, reiterating the theme frequently during his inauguration speech earlier this month. According to a recent poll, however, the new administration has thus far attracted the approval of less than half of the country.
In fact, Rasmussen found that outgoing President Donald Trump had a higher approval rate before leaving office than Biden did a week into his term.
Despite puff pieces and general approval from the mainstream media in regard to his nascent presidency, following years of widespread vilification of the Trump administration, the Democratic Party’s promise of unity has not come to fruition. The polling firm’s daily presidential tracking poll found Biden’s approval and disapproval ratings were tied at 48% each.
Breaking the results down further, 34% said they “strongly approved” of Biden’s performance, compared to 41% who “strongly disapproved. The supposedly divisive Trump administration ended on decidedly better terms, according to the poll. Upon leaving office, Trump had an approval rating of 51% — three points higher than his disapproval rating.
Of course, Rasmussen polling results are frequently outliers compared to other major firms, and the early Biden approval numbers are no exception.
The RealClearPolitics average of polls, which includes Rasmussen, finds that Biden has the approval of nearly 55% of the nation and just 37% disapprove. Reiterating the disparity between polls, the same average as reported at the end of Trump’s term found his rating was underwater by 15 points with just 41% overall approval.
In a separate survey question, Rasmussen reported that of 1,000 likely voters polled between Jan. 25-26, only 16% believed the country was more unified than before the election. About one in four felt the level of division between Americans was roughly the same.
Perhaps most telling, a whopping 56% believe the nation’s sharp divisions have only grown deeper since Biden’s inauguration. Nevertheless, some experts believe Biden’s inaugural “honeymoon” period is likely to be short-lived.
As Fordham University political scientist Jeffrey Cohen explained: “One of the things that’s happened is that old-fashioned ‘let’s give the guy a chance’ has kind of evaporated. Instead, people don’t break out of their voting patterns. The divisiveness that you see in election campaigns stays.”
And as I've pointed out often, that's with the media acting as Biden's protector and propping him up every day, and that same media hyperpartisanly attacking Trump and kicking him down every day. And yet, even with all that, Trump holds this level of popularity. With poll evidence, more popular than Biden, despite the Orwellian Newspeak media.
Far from striving for unity and any outreach to the 74.3 million Trump voters he cheated on election day (and won't even allow investigation of the ballots to assure them it was a fair election), Biden has turned Washington DC into an armed camp, has called anyone who disagrees with him "domestic terrorists" who need to be spied on by federal agencies, has overseen calls to de-platform conservatives who even criticize him from Facebook, Twitter, Youtube, Amazon and other social media, and further calls to take Fox News, OAN and Newsmax off the air "de-platforming" them from cable television subscribers. And even had the likes of Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez and Nancy Pelosi accuse Republican House and Senate members as "enemies within our own ranks."
These same Democrats that accuse Republicans of "inciting", are the same Democrats that cheer on Antifa and BLM burning hundreds of cities nationwide, the same Democrats who cheer on attacks on federal buildings and ICE compounds EVERY DAY, and never acknowledge that their own rhetoric DIRECTLY incites and encourages these attacks. Even as they try to manufacture allegations that Trump incited riots at the Capitol on January 6th. DESPITE that the NYPD, FBI and DHS were made aware these Jan 6th attacks were planned long before Trump ever gave his speech that day. Despite that the attacks that day moved into position BEFORE Trump began his speech. Despite that there are no words in Trump's 71-minute speech that incited violence. If it were there, the Democrats and liberal media would be quoting it endlessly. They're not.
The Democrats at every turn are the ones inciting division and political violence. Biden, Hillary Clinton, Pelosi, Schumer, Maxine Waters, Cory Booker, Ocasio-Cortez, pretty much every Democrat.
And then Biden has the audacity to pass an unprecedented 40 executive orders in his first 8 days, ramming his Bolshevik nation-destroying agenda down the nation's throats, as if this fraudulent unelected clod had some kind of mandate to do so.
Even Tulsi Gabbard has made a public statement about how dangerous what Team Biden, Pelosi and Schumer are doing.
Even the New York Times published an editorial saying okay, enough with the executive orders already, that he should time to try to actually lead and build coalitions, not deliver unpopular executive orders like a tyrant king.
Is it any wonder that in less than 2 weeks, in ACTUAL polls and not gushing liberal media puff pieces, Biden has already dropped below 50% in not even his first 2 weeks? Democrats are proving their tyranny and abuse of power, and corruption every day.
Biden’s 54 percent approval is based on polls. I guess media puff pieces equates to polls where you don’t like the results. As for executive orders I’m good with Biden’s fast action to remove at least some of the trump stain. I’m sure his second term will have far fewer executive orders.
Biden’s 54 percent approval is based on polls. I guess media puff pieces equates to polls where you don’t like the results. As for executive orders I’m good with Biden’s fast action to remove at least some of the trump stain. I’m sure his second term will have far fewer executive orders.
I already said, Gallup and Rasmussen are among the best known polls in the U.S., and Rasmussen has been the single most accurate in calling multiple elections since 2000. As compared with the bulk of liberal media polls that have been wildly inaccurate. But as my article above cites, the other polls are taken into account in the RealClearPolitics average of polls, despite their skewed liberal bias.
In fact, Trump was a historically unpopular president. According to Gallup, which started tracking presidential performance in 1938, Trump had an average approval rating of 41 percent during his time in the White House—lower than any other commander-in-chief in modern history.
CNN is reporting that the case to prove Capitol Police Officer Brian Sicknick’s death was murder may be falling apart.
Investigators are struggling to build a federal murder case regarding fallen US Capitol Police officer, Brian Sicknick, vexed by a lack of evidence that could prove someone caused his death as he defended the Capitol during last month’s insurrection.
Authorities have reviewed video and photographs that show Sicknick engaging with rioters amid the siege but have yet to identify a moment in which he suffered his fatal injuries, law enforcement officials familiar with the matter said.
Soon after Sicknick died on January 7, prosecutors in Washington opened a federal murder investigation, dedicating a team inside the US attorney’s office to build out a case, authorities have said.
This is a far cry from what we were told—that the officer was beaten to death. Not only can authorities not explain his death, but they also admit to having given out false information that the officer was bludgeoned by a fire extinguisher.
According to one law enforcement official, medical examiners did not find signs that the officer sustained any blunt force trauma, so investigators believe that early reports that he was fatally struck by a fire extinguisher are not true.
How can we know so little about the cause of this man’s death almost an entire month later?
To date, little information has been shared publicly about the circumstances of the death of the 13-year veteran of the police force, including any findings from an autopsy that was conducted by DC’s medical examiner. In a statement the day after the insurrection, Capitol Police said that Sicknick had been “injured while physically engaging with protesters” and collapsed as a result of his injuries sometime after returning to his office. He died the next day in a local hospital
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We don’t know if he had any health conditions that contributed to the death. We don’t know the cause of death. Basically, we know nothing about how or why this man died, but his death was used to paint all of the protesters at the Capitol as violent insurrectionists. There’s no question that some of them did act violently, but if they did not commit murder, we should know that, too.
The FBI says that 100 officers were injured in the Capitol events. I hope that didn’t happen, honestly, because it is upsetting to think about people who agree with me politically participating in violence like that. If they did, they should be locked up. But I don’t know how anyone can know anything definitively at this point after learning that reports about Sicknick were not correct. What else about this reporting was wrong? Will we ever know?
In court documents, FBI agents have laid out elements of the attacks faced by officers in alarming detail. More than 100 police officers were injured in the melee, including at least 15 officers who required hospitalization, according to court documents.
Even though the network is reporting the major questions surrounding the officer’s death, CNN contributors are still claiming that Sicknick was killed “in the January 6th terrorist attack,” though he died a day later and authorities don’t know how or why. Does that seem like good journalism to you? It’s clear that no matter what comes from this investigation, Officer Sicknick will be forever used to push the left’s narrative that a protest in which a tiny percentage of the attendees got out of control was a “violent terrorist attack” and an “insurrection.” Whether that is actually true doesn’t seem to matter. How do you like living in a post-truth reality?
Officer Sicknick is lying in honor in the Capitol.
My condolences to the Sicknick family. However he died—and maybe we’ll find out one day— it’s a sad loss. Rest in peace.
So a further piece of the Democrat lying narrative (and rationalization for a national lockdown on 74 million "white supremacist" Trump supporters) is falling apart.
Further, officer Brian Sicknick was a Trump supporter, who wrote multiple letters to House and Senate leaders about his outrage that Trump was being impeached in 2020, and appealing to them to stop the unwarranted impeachment procedure.
Again, I suspect that if Sicknick had been killed and it was an ACTUAL Trump supporter, that person would have been arrested a long time ago. Plenty of video and photos of the protest crowds and Sicknick clashing with them, plenty of people they could identify and pull in to interrogate to find out who any unknown person was inside the Capitol. I think the 97% Democrat-donating FBI doesn't want to bring them in, because it doesn't fit their Bolshevik party's narrative.
Investigators have recommended that prosecutors decline to bring charges against a US Capitol Police officer in the shooting of a pro-Trump rioter who was killed during the insurrection, according to people familiar with the matter.
The shooting of pro-Trump rioter, Ashli Babbitt, remains under investigation by the DC Metropolitan Police, the US Attorney’s Office in Washington, DC, and civil rights prosecutors, a routine process for shootings involving the Capitol Police. A final decision hasn’t been made, the people familiar with the probe told CNN. Justice Department officials could make a final decision in the coming days.
CNN has reached out to Metropolitan Police and the US Attorney’s Office in DC for comment. The Wall Street Journal was first to report on the recommendation.
Babbitt was fatally shot as the mob tried to force its way toward the House Chamber where members of Congress were sheltering, US Capitol Police said in a statement. She was given medical assistance immediately and taken to a hospital, where she was pronounced dead.
Babbitt was an ardent Trump supporter who held strong political views, her mother previously told CNN, and was “passionate enough to die for what she believed in.”
Babbitt, who was previously married but separated from her husband in 2019, frequently attended pro-Trump rallies. She flew to Washington, DC, from San Diego, California, with the intent to participate in the protest, her mother said. A CNN review of Babbitt’s social media accounts determined Babbitt frequently voiced support for Trump and other Republican figures on Facebook. She also shared content promoting political conspiracy theories often pushed by far-right figures.
Babbitt served as a senior airman in the US Air Force from 2004 to 2008 under the name Ashli Elizabeth McEntee, according to military records. She was a member of the Air Force Reserve from 2008 to 2010 and was in the Air National Guard from 2010 until November 2016, records show.
Piece-of-shit CNN fails to mention that Babbitt was UNARMED when she was shot from several yards away, climbing through a window, by the officer. Remember when an identified violent repeat felon piece of garbage was shot (not killed) by police in Kenosha, Wisconsin when the thug reached for a knife in his SUV? And there were riots and half a city burned because of alleged excessive force? "Black Lives Matter" they scream in an orchestrated event, despite on a perfectly legitimate police shooting.
But when Ashli Babbitt, a decorated 35 year old military veteran, UNARMED, is shot dead? Nothing to see here, no further investigation, no charges, move on. Does Ashli Babbitt's life matter? Apparently not so much.
And I would point out that BLM leader John Earle Sullivan orchestrated the panic on the police side of that Jan 6th incident. And yet he is home, under only house arrest and still stoking violence on Facebook and Twitter, who apparently have no problem with him directly causing Babbitt's death, and further using their social media platforms to promote violence. He probably will see his case dropped by the 97% Democrat-campaign-donating DOJ/FBI as well.
You understand what Babbit was doing beyond just climbing through a window WB? If this was a lefty mob doing the same thing I would want our democracy protected regardless. She was part of a violent mob fighting against democracy. I do feel bad that she fed on Trump’s lies and hope that there is justice for the blood on that pos hands.
This is the part where I mention it wouldn't have happened had she just complied with the commands of the officers, right?
Okay, great. So she should have been arrested for trespassing and vandalism. But killing her was a clear case of excessive force.
If she had been black and Democrat, whole city blocks would have been burned and looted in her name, and her family would become overnight millionaires in an excessive force lawsuit against the Capitol police department.
Maybe, she shouldn't have been hanging around people that beat cops with American flag poles and fire extinguishers. She really sucked at decision making. Predictable results end up fairly predictable. This woman is no Crispus Attucks.
You understand what Babbit was doing beyond just climbing through a window WB? If this was a lefty mob doing the same thing I would want our democracy protected regardless. She was part of a violent mob fighting against democracy. I do feel bad that she fed on Trump’s lies and hope that there is justice for the blood on that pos hands.
No, she just climbed through a window, while BLM thug John Sullivan (pretending to be a Trump supporter) screamed "come on, come on, let's go". And then, stoking both sides to attack each other, Sullivan then pretended to be a reporter and walked to the other side, putting on his fake press badge and camera, and said to the police "Hey, I don't think you should stay here, I've seen a lot of officers to get hurt today, I don't want that to happen to you..."
All on video, M E M, if you cared what the truth was. Video RECORDED BY JOHN SULLIVAN HIMSELF, and posted and gloated about self-incriminatingly on social media, and gushed over on CNN. FOR WHICH HE WAS ARRESTED BY THE FBI.
You need to watch the video. Officers were overwhelmed by the mob and we’re just lucky there wasn’t more death. And I think you can count on trumpers getting treated like BLM’ers from now on.
You need to watch the video. Officers were overwhelmed by the mob and we’re just lucky there wasn’t more death. And I think you can count on trumpers getting treated like BLM’ers from now on.
I've seen the video. The one with Ashli Babbitt is not as you describe it:
I would point out that ALL the violence that day was pre-planned and reported to authorities up to a month in advance, and much of it was orchestrated by BLM and Antifa, and some of them have been arrested. The other "right wing" rioters, such as the Boogaloos (that are at least partially tied to BLM) and the right-wing militia Oath Keepers who I mentioned earlier, and possibly the Proud Boys (who in the video I saw didn't look like they could conquer a large cheese pizza), all planned their violence up to a month prior on social media (as NYPD got wind of weeks in advance, and warned FBI and DHS, who sat on their hands and let it happen, because they wanted it to happen, to feed the Democrat narrative of "dangerous white racist insurrectionists we have to crack down on"). And these fringe groups got in place for their planned mischief before Trump even spoke on Jan 6th. Some of them may have been "right wing", but they were not Trump supporters in the normal sense, nor were they motivated by Trump's speech on Jan 6th. They were too far away and mobilizing their pre-planned attacks while Trump was still speaking, 45 minutes walking-distance away.
A group pushing for election integrity and expunging the outdated voter-rolls in Wisconsin, of dead voters and other fraudulent voters, and mail-in ballots that allowed the 2020 election to be riigged.
You understand what Babbit was doing beyond just climbing through a window WB? If this was a lefty mob doing the same thing I would want our democracy protected regardless. She was part of a violent mob fighting against democracy. I do feel bad that she fed on Trump’s lies and hope that there is justice for the blood on that pos hands.
No, she just climbed through a window, while BLM thug John Sullivan (pretending to be a Trump supporter) screamed "come on, come on, let's go". And then, stoking both sides to attack each other, Sullivan then pretended to be a reporter and walked to the other side, putting on his fake press badge and camera, and said to the police "Hey, I don't think you should stay here, I've seen a lot of officers to get hurt today, I don't want that to happen to you..."
All on video, M E M, if you cared what the truth was. Video RECORDED BY JOHN SULLIVAN HIMSELF, and posted and gloated about self-incriminatingly on social media, and gushed over on CNN. FOR WHICH HE WAS ARRESTED BY THE FBI.
I love your "so gullible that all it took was one "lefty" guy to say "let's go" to turn thousands of Trump supporters into violent idiots in a frenzy" defense of these people.
A group pushing for election integrity and expunging the outdated voter-rolls in Wisconsin, of dead voters and other fraudulent voters, and mail-in ballots that allowed the 2020 election to be riigged.
Allow same day registration and other safeguards for those that “accidentally” get purged so that they are not disenfranchised too.
I love your "so gullible that all it took was one "lefty" guy to say "let's go" to turn thousands of Trump supporters into violent idiots in a frenzy" defense of these people.
The brave, patriotic protestors were merely exercising their Constitutional right to protest the Bolshevik fixed election, which saw The Greatest President of All Time, Donald J Trump, unfairly removed from office.
You understand what Babbit was doing beyond just climbing through a window WB? If this was a lefty mob doing the same thing I would want our democracy protected regardless. She was part of a violent mob fighting against democracy. I do feel bad that she fed on Trump’s lies and hope that there is justice for the blood on that pos hands.
No, she just climbed through a window, while BLM thug John Sullivan (pretending to be a Trump supporter) screamed "come on, come on, let's go". And then, stoking both sides to attack each other, Sullivan then pretended to be a reporter and walked to the other side, putting on his fake press badge and camera, and said to the police "Hey, I don't think you should stay here, I've seen a lot of officers to get hurt today, I don't want that to happen to you..."
All on video, M E M, if you cared what the truth was. Video RECORDED BY JOHN SULLIVAN HIMSELF, and posted and gloated about self-incriminatingly on social media, and gushed over on CNN. FOR WHICH HE WAS ARRESTED BY THE FBI.
I love your "so gullible that all it took was one "lefty" guy to say "let's go" to turn thousands of Trump supporters into violent idiots in a frenzy" defense of these people.
Not "thousands", you liar. I think the FBI opened investigations of just under 300 "Trump supporters" inside the Capitol (many of them BLM or other leftistss in Trump-supporter clothing). And of those, less than 50 were up on charges of violence. The overwhelming majority of those charged were criminal trespass, violating curfew, or at worst smashing a few windows, or stealing Pelosi's podium and her personal letters. Video shows most of them just walking though the Capitol as if they were on a guided tour, even staying within the roped-off ailes, and at most taking a few selfie photos.
There's absolutely no question that misleading Trump supporters into violence is what John Sullivan and his BLM gang intended , who self-incriminatingly videotaped themselves detailing their plan to mislead Trump supporters into doing so. Video of their plans posted on Facebook an Twitter. Low hanging fruit, for the FBI to prosecute them.
Out of over 100,000 Trump supporters, there were a handful who were willing to smash a few windows and aggressively intimidate police and legislators in the Capitol on Jan 6th, whether on their own or unknowingly led by Antifa/BLM. It was Mark Twain who first observed there are things people do as a mob that they would never do individually. I've made it clear I don't condone it and certainly would never participate in rioting and destruction myself. But certainly some are more inclined to participate in these things when they see others cross that line. In Ashli Babbitt's case, I think she was participating in just intimidating police and legislators, and never imagined actually hurting someone. And certainly never imagined she could have been shot for doing so. Again, she was UNARMED,, no gun, no knife, no club, and not a threat to the officer who shot her, who as you can plainly see in the video was at least 20 feet away from Babbitt when he fired at her. She could have been arrested on lesser charges of trespassing and vandalism, an officer shooting her dead was excessive.
There were many other Trump supporters interviewed outside the Capitol who said there were others in the crowd saying to them "Come on!" or "This way!" or "Let's go!" who didn't take the bait. There were many other incidents (some of them videotaped, that I've previously linked) where "Trump supporters" were smashing windows and others would identify them as Antifa, and a group of ACTUAL Trump supporters would grab the vandals and stop them.
A group pushing for election integrity and expunging the outdated voter-rolls in Wisconsin, of dead voters and other fraudulent voters, and mail-in ballots that allowed the 2020 election to be rigged.
Allow same day registration and other safeguards for those that “accidentally” get purged so that they are not disenfranchised too.
Tens of thousands of dead voters, roughly 10,000 in each contested state. Illegal immigrants voting. People under age 18 voting. In Arizona alone, about 42,000 double-voters. (which alone is four times Biden's victory margin in Arizona.) People coming in from out of state and voting under fake addresses (probably after double voting in their home states.
No one is disenfranchising legitimate voters, M E M. Just eliminating clear corruption and illegal voting.
In every one of the 6 contested states, these alone would eliminate Biden's narrow victory margin, giving Trump a victory in each state by tens of thousands of LEGITIMATE votes. And that's not even getting into the votes flipped by Dominion Voting systems.
A group pushing for election integrity and expunging the outdated voter-rolls in Wisconsin, of dead voters and other fraudulent voters, and mail-in ballots that allowed the 2020 election to be rigged.
Allow same day registration and other safeguards for those that “accidentally” get purged so that they are not disenfranchised too.
Tens of thousands of dead voters, roughly 10,000 in each contested state. Illegal immigrants voting. People under age 18 voting. In Arizona alone, about 42,000 double-voters. (which alone is for times Biden's victory margin.) People coming in from out of state and voting under fake addresses (probably after double voting in their home states.
No one is disenfranchising legitimate voters, M E M. Just eliminating clear corruption and illegal voting.
In every one of the 6 contested states, these alone would eliminate Biden's narrow victory margin, giving Trump a victory in each state by tens of thousands of LEGITIMATE votes. And that's not even getting into the votes flipped by Dominion Voting systems.
Trump’s DOJ found no evidence of widespread voter fraud that would have changed the election result so I will not take your word on it. And people have shown up to vote and can’t because of voter purges. .. How a massive voter purge in Georgia affected the 2018 election
Unfortunately there is an incentive for your party doing this. Remove the incentive and work on election integrity the right way.
I love your "so gullible that all it took was one "lefty" guy to say "let's go" to turn thousands of Trump supporters into violent idiots in a frenzy" defense of these people.
The brave, patriotic protestors were merely exercising their Constitutional right to protest the Bolshevik fixed election, which saw The Greatest President of All Time, Donald J Trump, unfairly removed from office.
Even G-troll and Pariah's uneducated ass want nothing to do with that argument.
I know you're just havin' fun, JLA, but Trump was quantifiably the most accomplished president of our lifetime, creating the best economy that this country has had in over 50 years, the lowest black unemployment recorded, the lowest hispanic employment ever recorded, the lowest women's unemployment in about 65 years, the lowest under-25 unemployment, the highest black home purchasing. Trump re-negotiated trade deals in the U.S.'s favor with Canada, Mexico, Korea, Japan, China, and Central and South America. Trump secured our southern border for the first time since Eisenhower was president, Trump slashed regulation of business to stimulate growth, bringing jobs and factories and investment back from overseas. Trump rebuilt our military. Trump is the first president since Reagan not to drag the U.S. into another costly war. And despite pulling us out of the Paris Accord, actually lowered environmental emissions more than any other nation, on and on.
I don't defend the protestors, but it's a fact that the very worst acts committed (the police shooting of Ashli Babbit, and possibly officer Sicknick's death) were stoked by BLM leader John Sullivan, WHO VIDEOTAPED Ashli Babbit getting shot, after stoking the rioters, and (again: VIDEOTAPED) walked to the other side and stoked panic in the police to make one of them shoot Babbitt. While not all the rioting, and maybe not even the majority of it was BLM, the BLM "Bolsheviks" certainly stoked the worst acts. Without BLM there, nothing at the Capitol that day rises even to the level of an average BLM or Antifa riot.
When I use the term Bolsheviks, I refer specifically to the Democrat-leftist insurrectionist tactics of violence, intimidation, propaganda and slander, that perfectly mirror the Bolshevik tactics of the Leninist and Stalinist takeover of Russia in 1917-1922, and the Stalinist purges after. Many on FOX, OAN and Newsmax have also pointed out the similarities of Democrat words and actions to the authoritarian tactics of the Chinese Communist party. For example, the Chinese tactic to mock all dissenters, and try to outlaw or censor all dissenting information from news and social media as "rumors" or "conspiracy theories" or "disinformation", or "promoting violence".
And by the oddest coincidence, many prominent Democrats, including Obama and Clinton administration officials, have made clear their admiration of the Chinese Communist government, and of other communist regimes. RON BLOOM: "We agree with Mao, that capitalism is mostly a sham, and that power is mostly administered at the barrel of a gun." (We've certainly seen that since January 20th, beginning with Biden's North Korea-like inauguration ! ) ANITA DUNN: "Two of my favorite philosphers, Mao Tse Tung and Mother Teresa..the two people that I turn to most..." Barack Obama, Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton are all undeniable Cultural Marxists, as are their closest aides.
Democrats admire Bolsheviks, quote them, and mirror their mob-rule tactics of insurrection. It is not the slightest bit an exaggeration or hyperbolic to describe Democrats as Bolsheviks. They are clearly rooted in Bolshevik/communist ideology, to the point that they are less comfortable advocating capitalism and our Constitution than they are advocating socialism, or even outright Marxism. And they certainly have no problem enabling the Chinese government, often for huge payoff rewards, whether we're talking about the Clintons, the Obamas, the Bidens, George Soros, Google, Facebook or Twitter. The Democrat-left is owned body and soul by the Chinese government.
The Russians cal theseinsurrection tactics "active measures". In the West, we call it Cultural Marxism. But the Marxist rose by any name is still a Bolshevik revolution.
On your other point, I don't know where G-man or Pariah are right now. Pariah is probably deployed somewhere, and G-Man appears to be busy and just phoning it in lately, with a lot of political cartoons rather than commentary, perhaps to make the point that he doesn't see it as worthy of serious commentary. I don't recall that G-man was ever a great admirer of Trump. In any case, I just assume both are busy elsewhere.
A group pushing for election integrity and expunging the outdated voter-rolls in Wisconsin, of dead voters and other fraudulent voters, and mail-in ballots that allowed the 2020 election to be rigged.
Allow same day registration and other safeguards for those that “accidentally” get purged so that they are not disenfranchised too.
Tens of thousands of dead voters, roughly 10,000 in each contested state. Illegal immigrants voting. People under age 18 voting. In Arizona alone, about 42,000 double-voters. (which alone is for times Biden's victory margin.) People coming in from out of state and voting under fake addresses (probably after double voting in their home states.
No one is disenfranchising legitimate voters, M E M. Just eliminating clear corruption and illegal voting.
In every one of the 6 contested states, these alone would eliminate Biden's narrow victory margin, giving Trump a victory in each state by tens of thousands of LEGITIMATE votes. And that's not even getting into the votes flipped by Dominion Voting systems.
Trump’s DOJ found no evidence of widespread voter fraud that would have changed the election result so I will not take your word on it. And people have shown up to vote and can’t because of voter purges. .. How a massive voter purge in Georgia affected the 2018 election
Unfortunately there is an incentive for your party doing this. Remove the incentive and work on election integrity the right way.
Trump's DOJ under William Barr DIDN'T EVEN LOOK!
As I cited before, 97% of campaign donations by DOJ/FBI employees were to the Hillary Clinton and other Democrat campaigns. They are made up of tens of thousands of Peter Strzoks, Lisa Pages, Bill Priestaps, Kevin Clinesmiths and Bruce Ohrs, deeply ideologically Democrat, eager to maliciously prosecute Republican officials, committed to suppress and sabotage any investigation of, say, Lois Lerner, or Hillary Clinton, or Joe Biden or Hunter Biden. EVEN IF THEY WERE ORDERED to investigate election fraud by President Trump or William Barr, they would "resist" and quietly sit on their hands and stonewall any investigation that might vindicate Trump and allow him to have a second term. The same way they were ordered to release documents by Trump, and stonewalled and rode out the clock till Trump left office, only releasing about 15% of the documents Trump ordered de-classified and released (regarding the Joe Biden and Hunter Biden documents related to Ukraine and China, and to the earlier "Russia Collusion" investigation and closed-door testimony by Dems, and related to Trump's earlier impeachment in Jan 2020.)
As I said, the DOJ sent an army of agents to investigate the Jussie Smollett hoax, the Bubba-whoever black racing driver and "noose" hanging in his Indy-500 garage hoax, a dozen agents to investigate some pickup trucks with Trump flags on a highway allegedly harassing a Biden campaign bus. THESE get major FBI response. And yet... No agents sent, to investigate ANY of the rampant fraud in the 6 battleground states? That just doesn't make sense. Unless they were part of the fix, a 97% compromised DOJ/FBI that is invested in the Democrats winning the rigged election. The DOJ, FBI, State Department, the IRS, the NEA, and pretty much every unionized federal and state employee organization, are under complete and overwhelming Democrat control. As well as the elections supervisors offices. And now the Democrats are consolidating their absolute power over the U.S. military, weeding out anyone who has even the slightest conservative-Republican-pro-Trump leanings.
Score another victory for the Democrat-Bolshevik party, in their quest for absolute power.
But Trump said he had the evidence, why would Barr need to look? Trump just made it up about massive election fraud. That’s why Trump’s DOJ couldn’t find it.
It was NOT a legal election, it's just an election where those who rigged it had powerful friends who allowed them to get away with it.
None of the state legislators or state/federal/U S supreme court judges ever actually weighed the evidence. They dismissed the case without examining the evidence using tricks like "lacks standing". They either were part of the Democrat election-rigging cabal, or were intimidated by the Democrat mob that would riot or be in their faces and protesting outside their homes and personally threatening them if they challenged it.
My Pillow owner and CEO Mike Lindell put himself at great risk producing this 2-hour documentary that he purchased about 8 hours per day to run on OAN this weekend, beginning Friday, Feb 5th.
As he details, Facebook and Twitter have cancelled his personal and business accounts, corporate retail chains like Bed Bath & Beyond have taken his merchandise off the shelves. But at least in the short term, conservatives have rallied to support his business and he said in a recent interview he actually has hired 200 people to deal with all the increased demand for his product! The documentary was (of course!) instantly deleted from Youtube and Facebook.
No discussion or mention whatsoever of the evidence presented on the other news networks.
Just like there was no mention of the many hours of state hearings in all 6 contested states, where abundant witnesses and evidence were presented.
That can happen when you want a coup. As for your previous post allegations that can’t withstand even a conservative judge’s scrutiny seems to be the usual shit that survives on opinion/talk or blogs but it’s obviously not so iron clad once it hits reality. But hey it got you one dead officer and video of frothing right wingers screaming that this is their country as they use an American flag to beat on more officers.
BY ALLAN LICHTMAN, OPINION CONTRIBUTOR — 02/08/2021 THE VIEWS EXPRESSED BY CONTRIBUTORS ARE THEIR OWN AND NOT THE VIEW OF THE HILL
(IN all-caps, as it was in the "article" itself)
What you posted is a hyper-partisan opinion piece, and it's absolute shit garbage. From a hyper-partisan Democrat Harvard lawyer who has been grasping and pushing for Trump's impeachment on any rationalization possible since Jan 2017.
The smoking gun for NOT impeaching:
Originally Posted by Donald J. Trump, Jan 6th 2021
I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to PEACEFULLY and patriotically make your voices heard...
Add to that how all these fringe groups who committed violence on Jan 6th pre-planned their violence a month in advance, as detected by the NYPD and referred well in advance of Jan 6th to FBI, DHS, and Capitol police. **CLEARLY** Trump was not the catalyst for their violence, much as you lyingly try to front that slanderous narrative.
And of those who actually committed violence on Jan 6th. BLM, John Sullivan: Left-wing vilolence. Boogaloos: Despite your lying efforts to describe them as "right wing" and "Trump supporters", they are anarchists with ties to BLM, and the head of that group has repeatedly said on social media that he hates Trump "and most Republicans". Oath Keepers: possibly a right-wing milita, but not Trump supporters, and they likewise planned their violence in posts on social media a month in advance of Jan 6th. Proud Boys: another group that is all over the place in their beliefs, and planned their actions well in advance of Trump's speech.
If you want to REALLY cite people whose public rhetoric openly incites violence and further endorses it after the attacks, look no further than :
Kamala Harris ( of BLM. "They're going to keep up the pressure right up to election day, they're not going to stop, and they SHOULDN'T stop.") Joe Biden Multiple comments endorsing BLM, and repeatedly saying he'd like to punch or otherwise attack Trump. Nancy Pelosi (Saying of Trump while he was president: " I don't know why there aren't uprisings all over the country. There should be") Sen Cory Booker ("Get in some congressmen's faces..." ) Rep. Cori Bush (who over the weekend called for Biden to launch drone strikes and kill Trump at Mar A Lago !!!!!!!) Rep. Maxine Waters ( of ANY Bush official: "create a crowd, push back at them, let them know they're not welcome." A clear call for mob intimidation) Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (who called ICE nazis, and immediately after there was an Antifa attack on an ICE compound that she refused to condemn.
If I spent the time, I could list dozens other Democrats whose words have directly called for violence and incited actual violence.
It is incredible that these Democrat-Bolsheviks, stoking and endorsing violence, FOR YEARS, have the audacity to frame and prosecute Trump for "incitement" that clearly did not occur, as police reports and Trump's own videotaped speech make clear. While simultaneously ALL these Democrats are themselves infinitely guilty of ! Incredible audacity.
So...if I say peacefully at the beginning of a speech, then I'm pretty much off the hook for everything that doesn't jive with "peacefully" afterwards? He started with peacefully and closed with fight like hell or lose your fucking country. Sure seems like your trying to make that one line carry the entire load that was the rest of the speech and I think it is fair to say that people would clearly disagree with that assertion and you'd have a hard time really proving they were wrong.
And afterwards you look at his actions. It wasn’t somebody that was horrified at what happened after they sent that crowd to the Capitol. The link I posted above details what we know. I would really like him under oath detailing his actions after he sent his “special “ people to the capitol
So...if I say peacefully at the beginning of a speech, then I'm pretty much off the hook for everything that doesn't jive with "peacefully" afterwards? He started with peacefully and closed with fight like hell or lose your fucking country. Sure seems like your trying to make that one line carry the entire load that was the rest of the speech and I think it is fair to say that people would clearly disagree with that assertion and you'd have a hard time really proving they were wrong.
No, you can look at the comments of Alan Dershowitz or a dozen other legal scholars and former U.S. attorneys and high-level national judges: Trump only said to "fight" in the sense of vigorous protest for your cause, the same way hundreds of other political leaders have done in speeches in that exact same Washington mall over the last 20 years. "PEACEFULLY and patriotically let your voices be heard". And again, the worst violence was orchestrated by John Sullivan and his group of BLM infiltrators. To review, the "five people killed" on Jan 6th were 1) Ashli Babbitt, an UNARMED Trump supporter who was shot dead by a police officer, not killed by Trump supporters, 2) officer Brian Sicknick who as I linked yesterday, no video shows him ever hit with an extinguisher and not clearly injured by any Trump supporter, what even WP acknowledges the case for murder of Sicknick is "falling apart", 3) a guy in his 50's who died of a stroke, 4) a guy in his 50's who died of a heart attack, and 5) a girl in her 30's who collapsed with health problems and died while receiving CPR, unable to revive her.
So... None of those 5 are proven violence by any Trump protester, and the only actual "killing" was by a Capitol police officer, NOT by any Trump supporter. It's all a lying Democrat narrative.
Trump did not call for violence. Trump did not incite violence. The violence was planned (as verified by NYPD, FBI and DHS) a month before the protests on Jan 6th.
And nothing in Trump's Jan 6th speech incited violence. This is all just a Democrat sham, to impeach Trump as a political weapon to destroy him politically, *NOT* because Trump did anything wrong.
Originally Posted by M E M
And afterwards you look at his actions. It wasn’t somebody that was horrified at what happened after they sent that crowd to the Capitol. The link I posted above details what we know. I would really like him under oath detailing his actions after he sent his “special “ people to the capitol
That's just complete made-up garbage and subjective tea-leaf reading, of what you WISH was there, rather than what is ACTUALLY there. You have no interest in truth or facts, it's all about whatever advances your Democrat-Bolshevik party, whatever lying narrative allows that to happen.
That link you posted is to a factless partisan editorial, by a Harvard lawyer who has been scheming to find a way to impeach Trump on any contrived pretense since Jan 2017 when Trump was inaugurated.
I actually do care WB. And Trump’s response to the capitol riot is a matter of public record. The tweet he sent about Pence while his special people were beating up officers is hardly made up. You are guilty of exactly what your accusing others of.
Link - Breitbart: Texas Sues Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin at Supreme Court over Election Rules
The State of Texas filed a lawsuit directly with the U.S. Supreme Court shortly before midnight on Monday challenging the election procedures in Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin on the grounds that they violate the Constitution.
Texas argues that these states violated the Electors Clause of the Constitution because they made changes to voting rules and procedures through the courts or through executive actions, but not through the state legislatures. Additionally, Texas argues that there were differences in voting rules and procedures in different counties within the states, violating the Constitution’s Equal Protection Clause. Finally, Texas argues that there were “voting irregularities” in these states as a result of the above.
Texas is asking the Supreme Court to order the states to allow their legislatures to appoint their electors. The lawsuit says:
Certain officials in the Defendant States presented the pandemic as the justification for ignoring state laws regarding absentee and mail-in voting. The Defendant States flooded their citizenry with tens of millions of ballot applications and ballots in derogation of statutory controls as to how they are lawfully received, evaluated, and counted. Whether well intentioned or not, these unconstitutional acts had the same uniform effect—they made the 2020 election less secure in the Defendant States. Those changes are inconsistent with relevant state laws and were made by non-legislative entities, without any consent by the state legislatures. The acts of these officials thus directly violated the Constitution.
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This case presents a question of law: Did the Defendant States violate the Electors Clause by taking non-legislative actions to change the election rules that would govern the appointment of presidential electors? These non-legislative changes to the Defendant States’ election laws facilitated the casting and counting of ballots in violation of state law, which, in turn, violated the Electors Clause of Article II, Section 1, Clause 2 of the U.S. Constitution. By these unlawful acts, the Defendant States have not only tainted the integrity of their own citizens’ vote, but their actions have also debased the votes of citizens in Plaintiff State and other States that remained loyal to the Constitution.
Texas approached the Supreme Court directly because Article III provides that it is the court of first impression on subjects where it has original jurisdiction, such as disputes between two or more states.
Tim Pool phrased it adequately. Texas has just NUKED the Democrats from Orbit. This suit meets ALL the qualifications:
1) It goes direct to the Supreme Court on account of a dispute between multiple states.
2) It was filed mere HOURS before safe harbor day, which puts all of the defendant states in dispute and de-solidifies electors.
3) Because this is a dispute between the states addressing the constitutionality--or lack thereof--of the past election, that means that Trump is not actually engaging in Lawfare since the Constitution supercedes the law.
Link - Breitbart: Texas Sues Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin at Supreme Court over Election Rules
The State of Texas filed a lawsuit directly with the U.S. Supreme Court shortly before midnight on Monday challenging the election procedures in Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin on the grounds that they violate the Constitution.
Texas argues that these states violated the Electors Clause of the Constitution because they made changes to voting rules and procedures through the courts or through executive actions, but not through the state legislatures. Additionally, Texas argues that there were differences in voting rules and procedures in different counties within the states, violating the Constitution’s Equal Protection Clause. Finally, Texas argues that there were “voting irregularities” in these states as a result of the above.
Texas is asking the Supreme Court to order the states to allow their legislatures to appoint their electors. The lawsuit says:
Certain officials in the Defendant States presented the pandemic as the justification for ignoring state laws regarding absentee and mail-in voting. The Defendant States flooded their citizenry with tens of millions of ballot applications and ballots in derogation of statutory controls as to how they are lawfully received, evaluated, and counted. Whether well intentioned or not, these unconstitutional acts had the same uniform effect—they made the 2020 election less secure in the Defendant States. Those changes are inconsistent with relevant state laws and were made by non-legislative entities, without any consent by the state legislatures. The acts of these officials thus directly violated the Constitution.
…
This case presents a question of law: Did the Defendant States violate the Electors Clause by taking non-legislative actions to change the election rules that would govern the appointment of presidential electors? These non-legislative changes to the Defendant States’ election laws facilitated the casting and counting of ballots in violation of state law, which, in turn, violated the Electors Clause of Article II, Section 1, Clause 2 of the U.S. Constitution. By these unlawful acts, the Defendant States have not only tainted the integrity of their own citizens’ vote, but their actions have also debased the votes of citizens in Plaintiff State and other States that remained loyal to the Constitution.
Texas approached the Supreme Court directly because Article III provides that it is the court of first impression on subjects where it has original jurisdiction, such as disputes between two or more states.
Tim Pool phrased it adequately. Texas has just NUKED the Democrats from Orbit. This suit meets ALL the qualifications:
1) It goes direct to the Supreme Court on account of a dispute between multiple states.
2) It was filed mere HOURS before safe harbor day, which puts all of the defendant states in dispute and de-solidifies electors.
3) Because this is a dispute between the states addressing the constitutionality--or lack thereof--of the past election, that means that Trump is not actually engaging in Lawfare since the Constitution supercedes the law.
That article is from Dec 7 2020, the legal landscape for the election battle has changed considerably.
And as I said elsewhere, re-counts and evidence of Democrat/Dominion election fraud have been revealed in Georgia, Pennsylvania, New Hampshire, Arizona, Montana, Michigan and multiple other states. All pointing to the illegitimacy of Biden as an "elected" president.
I love how OAN does this in multiple stories. If OAN simply reported on election fraud in their own words, they would be dismissed by the other media, as "paranoid" or "right wing propaganda" or "tin foil hat conspiracy theorists".
But instead, Pearson Sharp quotes other mainstream liberal media stories from CNN, the New York Times, Politico, Washington Post and others, showing they reported the exact same facts that OAN is now accused of being "conspiracy theorists" for airing. It's bulletproof on OAN's part, OAN indicts the liberal media with their own past liberal-media reporting. And further shows that when the liberal media could portray Donald Trump as having won the election by fraud, they were eager to report it.
But when Biden won in Nov 2020, suddenly the mainstream networks made it off-limits to report the exact same facts. Instead selling the narrative that the election had perfect integrity. Making it clear the liberal media were reporting the facts in 2017-2020 to damage the integrity of Trump's 2016 election victory , and are censoring those facts now, in their role as the Ministry of Truth for the Obama administration. Sacrificing their journalistic integrity and lying to the American people, in an effort to keep Biden in power.
CNS News) -- As President Joe Biden and Democrats in Congress push for passage of HR 1, a massive election reform bill that Republicans largely oppose because they see it as a way to allow voter fraud and entrench Democratic rule nationwide, the Honest Elections Project reports that only 28% of Americans support the legislation, and that contrary to the bill, 77% of Americans want voter ID.
H.R. 1, the For the People Act, "is out of sync with American voters," said HEP Executive Director Jason Snead in a report on the election reform debate. "Few embrace its particular provisions, or its guiding principle that election integrity and voter confidence measures make voting 'hard' and that Congress must impose new laws that eliminate them."
"In fact, voters overwhelmingly prioritize maintaining confidence in elections over making voting 'easier.'" said Snead, a former senior policy analyst with the Heritage Foundation. "Most Americans want credible elections backed up by fair rules that make voting both accessible and secure, and only 28% of voters support H.R. 1’s final passage once they are provided with an understanding of its provisions." HEP's data on what Americans think of HR 1 was obtained through an online survey of 1,200 registered voters nationwide, in early March.
-- 64% of voters "want to strengthen voting safeguards to prevent fraud, rather than eliminate them to make voting 'easier.'"
-- Only 21% "want to make voting 'easier' by getting rid of the precautionary measures that prevent fraud."
-- 77% of voters "want people to show a photo ID to cast a ballot, while only 14% oppose it." this majority includes 62% of Americans who voted for Joe Biden in 2020; 92% of Republicans; 75% of Independents; and 63% of Democrats.
-- 64% of black voters support voter ID, as do 78% of Hispanic voters.
-- "Similarly, 64% of Black voters, 77% of Hispanics, and 76% of low-income voters reject the notion that showing an ID is a 'burden,' despite frequent claims from the left."
-- For absentee ballots, 66% of registered voters support requiring a voter ID. 64% percent of young voters (age 18-24) back an absentee voter ID; 56% of seniors; 58% of blacks; 68%of Hispanics; and 62% of low-income voters.
"H.R. 1 expressly blocks absentee voter ID and other successful safeguards that shield elections against fraud," stated HEP's Jason Snead.
The poll also found that only 11% of registered voters think that "vote trafficking should be legal." And 62% say "it should be illegal for political operatives and paid organizers to have direct access to absentee voters as they vote, and then take unsupervised possession of their ballots." "Vote Trafficking, i.e., "Ballot Harvesting"]
Nonetheless, HR 1 "forces every community in the nation to allow it," said Snead. "Vote trafficking has been used to intimidate and disenfranchise voters, and several states have banned it. H.R. 1 expressly overrules these sensible and popular laws."
Only 11% of Americans support Ballot Harvesting. But H.R.1 (now a proposed S. 1) would mandate it on 100% of the population, across all 50 states. And by fraud, guarantee Democrats a permanent majority in every election nationwide for the next 100 years.
Wow, seeing this now, it was quite prescient about what to expect on Nov 3rd. Democrats lawlessly refusing to accept the outcome of the election, no matter what. Threatening to use the military against Trump he should win. And especially, prolonging the vote count, to win the election AFTER the election, by manipulating the mail-in ballots to rig the election. That's basically the way it went down, predicted exactly 2 months in advance of election day. Trump had won in a landslide on election day, but in the days after the election, fraudulent mail-in ballots were manufactured to turn the election in Biden's favor.
....Oh wait. No it isn't. Trump is drawing tremendously huge crowds every where he goes--even places he hasn't gone (see also: Beverly Hills)--and, predictably, the polls have once again gone from YUGELY favoring Democrats to evening out with, or leaning toward, Trump.
Lets cut to the meat of the matter and eliminate all equivocation in the process: the Democrats do not have hidden voters. They all operate in plain sight on account of their self proclaimed, protected status as "polite society". By that same token, Trump's voters are still vilified and targeted--even killed (see also: Jacob Gardner's "suicide")--when identified by hostile partizans and aggressive insurgents (see also: Antifa, BLM), and thus have a vested interest in remaining hidden even as Trump draws large crowds. Where there's smoke, there's fire...and if those rally sizes constitute smoke, what does that say about the fire?
Bearing this in mind, the polls lie. Obviously. They always have, being a tool of manipulating public perception rather than a means of conducting objective analysis. That being said, they've gone almost completely from serving the purpose of overestimating the cultural strength and prevalence of Democrats, as a means to chip away at conservative morale, to masking an inevitable massive fraud so as to cease the severe hemorrhage from the near fatal wounds that Trump has dealt the cabal (see also: the euphemistic "Deep State"). It's certainly not the first time or occasion that Democrats have cheated using voter fraud. More than likely they've used numerous permutations of the basic concept over the past 40 to 50 years in every single state to gaslight the populous with spurious perceptions that they're outnumbered by an "other" philosophy that's entirely alien to them and that they're a dying race of thinkers destined for death. But I'm all but certain that the lengths they've gone to over the past 6 to 12 months constitutes the single most massive fraud to which we will ever bear witness since they are necessarily going to have to break the 3% rule in an attempt to meet their goal of getting the dementia-plagued Biden (Harris) into office.
By "3%", I'm referring to the threshold that must be observed when playing the game of stacking dummy votes before it becomes noticeable. By comparison, the scale of the primaries is such that a given political party can get away with a rate of 10% fraudulent ballots or, at the very least, "counted" votes before hitting a barrier of explicit fraud (see also: Hillary and Biden stealing primaries in CA and IA). The threshold for a general is 3%, and they must surpass it. They will, of course, launch the same narrative of "look no further" with regards to voter fraud OR they will project blame on the opposition. But this is the first time that they've had to deal with someone who has a vested interest in exposing voter fraud--as opposed to establishment Republicans who've been complicit with Democrats in hiding it.
Bearing these two factors in mind, the center-left and/or dead heat polls that we are seeing assuredly allude to something beyond margin of error. More like, significant lead for Trump that they're desperate to hide. In actuality, they know people don't believe it, but since narratives must be steeped in the tone of something "official", they must forego the acknowledgement of the natural understanding of the individual (see also: common sense) and rely upon the open secret of deceit so that they might simply emphasize their own consistency to justify results that are inconsistent with apparent reality, and thus effectively broadcasting their strategy to their true believers (see also: MEM) via the dog whistle of outrageous claims and general incredulity given credence only by their own repetition and devotion to the current state of the Overton Window. The Zeitgeist is now squarely in the hands of the individual, and not the media.
PA has already stated that the state will not be called today in the interest of insuring 'every vote is accounted for'. NC will likely be in a similar situation. Democrats managed to take advantage of the liberal plant, Justice Roberts, who has allowed them to keep votes flowing into the states three days past the election. Trump will cry fowl--as well he should. As counties that were clearly turned red gradually metamorphasize to blue over a long enough timeline, the rules of the game will be clear cut to everyone. And that spark will risk a conflagration.
People here are probably already aware of the warnings of rioting, violence, and looting today--especially if Biden loses. This fact should be self-defeating to his ilk, but neigh. On the contrary, they've gone through great lengths to construct a mentally gymnastic high ground built up the persistent narrative that Trump is an underhanded, lying istaphobe to whom which any form of violence would be justified. As such, they have fabricated a reality in which they can wear the violence and viciousness of Biden's supporters and fellow travelers on their sleeve and still sit pretty atop their pile of sophistry ridden rhetoric and ad hominem laden shit. Conversely, any violence taken up by Trump supporters, whether offensive or defensive, in the coming days will be portrayed as insurrectionist terrorism. Only the left could some how get away with being so blatantly coercive, but still make a case for righteousness. And while this is going on, Hilldog has told Biden to "not concede defeat under any circumstances".
For those who don't already know at this point: everyone--and I mean EVERYONE--is now VERY well armed and on high alert. Antifa is gonna Antifa regardless of outcome. BLM is gonna BLM regardless of outcome. Such are the intimidation orders they've been receiving from OCONUS. Furthermore, mothers have bought firearms in record numbers on account of the riots. Militias are standing by, and still as geared up as they ever were. Trump has erected a fence around the White House and called in around 250 soldiers to guard the castle.
I'm hoping I'm wrong on this one and that Trump has a trick up his sleeve to mitigate or nullify the likely friction (to put it lightly) that will ensue today and over the course of the next month or so. But there's too many factors, too many actors, and too much on the line to assume anything other than shots fired.
Knowing full well the consequences of saying something with this much finality before the big game, I say it anyway: Trump will win in a landslide both in the popular vote and the electoral college. Any other reported result will, and should, be challenged.
Back to our original programming.
....What say the rest of you? Putting aside your preferences, which are pretty much well documented, who do you think will win and by how much?
....Oh wait. No it isn't. Trump is drawing tremendously huge crowds every where he goes--even places he hasn't gone (see also: Beverly Hills)--and, predictably, the polls have once again gone from YUGELY favoring Democrats to evening out with, or leaning toward, Trump.
Lets cut to the meat of the matter and eliminate all equivocation in the process: the Democrats do not have hidden voters. They all operate in plain sight on account of their self proclaimed, protected status as "polite society". By that same token, Trump's voters are still vilified and targeted--even killed (see also: Jacob Gardner's "suicide")--when identified by hostile partizans and aggressive insurgents (see also: Antifa, BLM), and thus have a vested interest in remaining hidden even as Trump draws large crowds. Where there's smoke, there's fire...and if those rally sizes constitute smoke, what does that say about the fire?
Bearing this in mind, the polls lie. Obviously. They always have, being a tool of manipulating public perception rather than a means of conducting objective analysis. That being said, they've gone almost completely from serving the purpose of overestimating the cultural strength and prevalence of Democrats, as a means to chip away at conservative morale, to masking an inevitable massive fraud so as to cease the severe hemorrhage from the near fatal wounds that Trump has dealt the cabal (see also: the euphemistic "Deep State"). It's certainly not the first time or occasion that Democrats have cheated using voter fraud. More than likely they've used numerous permutations of the basic concept over the past 40 to 50 years in every single state to gaslight the populous with spurious perceptions that they're outnumbered by an "other" philosophy that's entirely alien to them and that they're a dying race of thinkers destined for death. But I'm all but certain that the lengths they've gone to over the past 6 to 12 months constitutes the single most massive fraud to which we will ever bear witness since they are necessarily going to have to break the 3% rule in an attempt to meet their goal of getting the dementia-plagued Biden (Harris) into office.
By "3%", I'm referring to the threshold that must be observed when playing the game of stacking dummy votes before it becomes noticeable. By comparison, the scale of the primaries is such that a given political party can get away with a rate of 10% fraudulent ballots or, at the very least, "counted" votes before hitting a barrier of explicit fraud (see also: Hillary and Biden stealing primaries in CA and IA). The threshold for a general is 3%, and they must surpass it. They will, of course, launch the same narrative of "look no further" with regards to voter fraud OR they will project blame on the opposition. But this is the first time that they've had to deal with someone who has a vested interest in exposing voter fraud--as opposed to establishment Republicans who've been complicit with Democrats in hiding it.
Bearing these two factors in mind, the center-left and/or dead heat polls that we are seeing assuredly allude to something beyond margin of error. More like, significant lead for Trump that they're desperate to hide. In actuality, they know people don't believe it, but since narratives must be steeped in the tone of something "official", they must forego the acknowledgement of the natural understanding of the individual (see also: common sense) and rely upon the open secret of deceit so that they might simply emphasize their own consistency to justify results that are inconsistent with apparent reality, and thus effectively broadcasting their strategy to their true believers (see also: MEM) via the dog whistle of outrageous claims and general incredulity given credence only by their own repetition and devotion to the current state of the Overton Window. The Zeitgeist is now squarely in the hands of the individual, and not the media.
PA has already stated that the state will not be called today in the interest of insuring 'every vote is accounted for'. NC will likely be in a similar situation. Democrats managed to take advantage of the liberal plant, Justice Roberts, who has allowed them to keep votes flowing into the states three days past the election. Trump will cry fowl--as well he should. As counties that were clearly turned red gradually metamorphasize to blue over a long enough timeline, the rules of the game will be clear cut to everyone. And that spark will risk a conflagration.
People here are probably already aware of the warnings of rioting, violence, and looting today--especially if Biden loses. This fact should be self-defeating to his ilk, but neigh. On the contrary, they've gone through great lengths to construct a mentally gymnastic high ground built up the persistent narrative that Trump is an underhanded, lying istaphobe to whom which any form of violence would be justified. As such, they have fabricated a reality in which they can wear the violence and viciousness of Biden's supporters and fellow travelers on their sleeve and still sit pretty atop their pile of sophistry ridden rhetoric and ad hominem laden shit. Conversely, any violence taken up by Trump supporters, whether offensive or defensive, in the coming days will be portrayed as insurrectionist terrorism. Only the left could some how get away with being so blatantly coercive, but still make a case for righteousness. And while this is going on, Hilldog has told Biden to "not concede defeat under any circumstances".
For those who don't already know at this point: everyone--and I mean EVERYONE--is now VERY well armed and on high alert. Antifa is gonna Antifa regardless of outcome. BLM is gonna BLM regardless of outcome. Such are the intimidation orders they've been receiving from OCONUS. Furthermore, mothers have bought firearms in record numbers on account of the riots. Militias are standing by, and still as geared up as they ever were. Trump has erected a fence around the White House and called in around 250 soldiers to guard the castle.
I'm hoping I'm wrong on this one and that Trump has a trick up his sleeve to mitigate or nullify the likely friction (to put it lightly) that will ensue today and over the course of the next month or so. But there's too many factors, too many actors, and too much on the line to assume anything other than shots fired.
Knowing full well the consequences of saying something with this much finality before the big game, I say it anyway: Trump will win in a landslide both in the popular vote and the electoral college. Any other reported result will, and should, be challenged.
Back to our original programming.
....What say the rest of you? Putting aside your preferences, which are pretty much well documented, who do you think will win and by how much?
In all the excitement among objective journalists for Joe Biden’s declared victory, reporters are missing how extraordinary the Democrat’s performance was in the 2020 election. It’s not just that the former vice president is on track to become the oldest president in American history, it’s what he managed to accomplish at the polls this year. Candidate Joe Biden was so effective at animating voters in 2020 that he received a record number of votes, more than 15 million more than Barack Obama received in his re-election of 2012. Amazingly, he managed to secure victory while also losing in almost every bellwether county across the country. No presidential candidate has been capable of such electoral jujitsu until now.
While Biden underperformed Hillary Clinton’s 2016 totals in every urban county in the United States, he outperformed her in the metropolitan areas of Georgia, Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania. Even more surprising, the former VP put up a record haul of votes, despite Democrats’ general failures in local House and state legislative seats across the nation.
He accomplished all this after receiving a record low share of the primary vote compared to his Republican opponent heading into the general election. Clearly, these are tremendous and unexpected achievements that would normally receive sophisticated analysis from the journalist class but have somehow gone mostly unmentioned during the celebrations at news studios in New York City and Washington, D.C. The massive national political realignment now taking place may be one source of these surprising upsets. Yet still, to have pulled so many rabbits out of his hat like this, nobody can deny that Biden is a first-rate campaigner and politician, the likes of which America has never before seen. Let’s break down just how unique his political voodoo has been in 2020.
1. 80 Million Votes
Holy moly! A lot of Americans turned out for a Washington politician who’s been in office for nearly 50 years. Consider this: no incumbent president in nearly a century and a half has gained votes in a re-election campaign and still lost.
President Trump gained more than ten million votes since his 2016 victory, but Biden’s appeal was so substantial that it overcame President Trump’s record support among minority voters. Biden also shattered Barack Obama’s own popular vote totals, really calling into question whether it was not perhaps Biden who pulled Obama across the finish lines in 2008 and 2012.
Proving how sharp his political instincts are, the former VP managed to gather a record number of votes while consistently trailing President Trump in measures of voter enthusiasm. Biden was so savvy that he motivated voters unenthusiastic about his campaign to vote for him in record numbers.
2. Winning Despite Losing Most Bellwether Counties
Biden is set to become the first president in 60 years to lose the states of Ohio and Florida on his way to election. For a century, these states have consistently predicted the national outcome, and they have been considered roughly representative of the American melting pot as a whole. Despite national polling giving Biden a lead in both states, he lost Ohio by eight points and Florida by more than three. For Biden to lose these key bellwethers by notable margins and still win the national election is newsworthy. Not since the Mafia allegedly aided John F. Kennedy in winning Illinois over Richard Nixon in 1960 has an American president pulled off this neat trick.
Even more unbelievably, Biden is on his way to winning the White House after having lost almost every historic bellwether county across the country. The Wall Street Journal and The Epoch Times independently analyzed the results of 19 counties around the United States that have nearly perfect presidential voting records over the last 40 years. President Trump won every single bellwether county, except Clallam County in Washington.
Whereas the former VP picked up Clallam by about three points, President Trump’s margin of victory in the other 18 counties averaged over 16 points. In a larger list of 58 bellwether counties that have correctly picked the president since 2000, Trump won 51 of them by an average of 15 points, while the other seven went to Biden by around four points. Bellwether counties overwhelmingly chose President Trump, but Biden found a path to victory anyway.
3. [ retracted due to error, see concluding note *]
4. Biden Won Despite Democrat Losses Everywhere Else
Randy DeSoto noted in The Western Journal that “Donald Trump was pretty much the only incumbent president in U.S. history to lose his re-election while his own party gained seats in the House of Representatives.” Now that’s a Biden miracle!
In 2020, The Cook Political Report and The New York Times rated 27 House seats as toss-ups going into Election Day. Right now, Republicans appear to have won all 27. Democrats failed to flip a single state house chamber, while Republicans flipped both the House and Senate in New Hampshire and expanded their dominance of state legislatures across the country.
Christina Polizzi, a spokesperson for the Democratic Legislative Campaign Committee, went so far as to state: “It’s clear that Trump isn’t an anchor for the Republican legislative candidates. He’s a buoy.” Amazingly, Biden beat the guy who lifted all other Republicans to victory. Now that’s historic!
5. Biden Overcame Trump’s Commanding Primary Vote
In the past, primary vote totals have been remarkably accurate in predicting general election winners. Political analyst David Chapman highlighted three historical facts before the election.
First, no incumbent who has received 75 percent of the total primary vote has lost re-election. Second, President Trump received 94 percent of the primary vote, which is the fourth highest of all time (higher than Dwight Eisenhower, Nixon, Clinton, or Obama). In fact, Trump is only one of five incumbents since 1912 to receive more than 90 percent of the primary vote.
Third, Trump set a record for most primary votes received by an incumbent when more than 18 million people turned out for him in 2020 (the previous record, held by Bill Clinton, was half that number). For Biden to prevail in the general election, despite Trump’s historic support in the primaries, turns a century’s worth of prior election data on its head.
Joe Biden achieved the impossible. It’s interesting that many more journalists aren’t pointing that out.
* This article’s third point originally quoted Patrick Basham‘s citation of pollster Richard Baris and election analyst Robert Barnes’ claims that “Biden underperformed Hillary Clinton in every major metro area around the country, save for Milwaukee, Detroit, Atlanta and Philadelphia.” Post-results vote analysis shows this point on review is inaccurate.
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The National Review piece (linked in the original article) gloats about the retracted and corrected point 3, , as if correcting 1 (of 5) points somehow proves that all the valid criticism of Biden's shady and implausible victory is rendered null and void just by not mentioning it. But it remains only 1 of 5 points, and for all their gloating, the other 80% is verified and could not be disproven, otherwise they would have. So they just didn't mention it.
At least the Federalist had the decency to make the retraction of the portion in error (which they quoted from a listed source). Whereas their bashers pretend all the valid data cited in the article doesn't actually exist. And no doubt the same in the [ lack of ] coverage at News York Times, Washington Post, Politico, ABC, NBC, CBS, PBS, MSNBC, CNN, Yahoo news, HuffPost, and the rest of the liberal Newspeak media. And all mention of the full facts on Facebook, Twititer, Youtube or Instagram will just get those accounts locked or permanently banned. No open dialogue or full discussion of the facts in the rigged election permitted. Just like Hunter Biden's laptop computer. Just like the Biden-manufactured crisis on the Southern border. Likewise the medical evidence of Covid-19 originating from "gain of function" illegal research at the Wuhan Instutute lab. Likewise the evidence against lockdowns and wearing a mask, where in nations worldwide, infection rates are consistently the same, whether wearign a mask or not. Likewise, the same thing with forced immunizations, where up to 73% of immunized people still get infected with Covid. In all these examples, when it doesn't fit the Democrat narrative, just bury it. That same rule applies in the news media, the medical establishment, big tech social media, and the FBI.
Meanwhile, the Democrats still rigged the election, and the evidence of that is growing, and still getting out.
You and other trumpers have no issues on election lies if you like them. Trump for example can keep repeating claims like a missing database in Arizona that is provably false.
All recounts have jibed with the official ones, even hand recounts.
You hate democracy and you and other trumpers will never fool me again that you value it.
You and other trumpers have no issues on election lies if you like them. Trump for example can keep repeating claims like a missing database in Arizona that is provably false.
All recounts have jibed with the official ones, even hand recounts.
You hate democracy and you and other trumpers will never fool me again that you value it.
People are coming for Lindell's five million dollar prize!
You and other trumpers have no issues on election lies if you like them. Trump for example can keep repeating claims like a missing database in Arizona that is provably false.
All recounts have jibed with the official ones, even hand recounts.
You hate democracy and you and other trumpers will never fool me again that you value it.
What are you smoking? I've linked and sourced PLENTY of evidence. See above. And the pending Maricopa County report is due out before the end of the month, and based on their forensic audit recount, multiple other states are planning to do similar election audits. It is an absolute fact that both the Maricopa County election board, and Dominion voter systems are jerking around and witholding evidence, that they are required by law to provide to the Arizona state senate who are conducting the audit.
There are audits done in New Hampshire, Montana and other states that have PROVEN there was tampering with the election machines in their states, and always in Joe Biden's favor. Pennsylvania seems to be the next state to do a forensic audit of the election, with similar pushes to do the same in Georgia, Wisconsin, Nevada, and even in states that were not among the 6 contested states. Lindell and his guests showed that voter fraud occurred in all 50 states on Biden's behalf, even when it was not enough to turn the state for Biden. Tens of thousands, or hundreds of thousands of fraudulent votes in every state. I don't have to prove that, Lindell and the guests he had on, military experts in cyber-warfare, decades long experts in investigating corporate fraud, experts in computer security and cyber-crime, have all provided the evidence. Along with hundreds of election volunteer witnesses, who have sworn statements to what they saw, under threat of perjury charges if they lied. And they did not. Some of them have been volunteers in every election for 20, 30 and 40 years. They know what a legitimate election looks like, and reported the fraud they saw. And instead of an actual investigation to prove or disprove what they exposed, corrupt officials just fired them. And FBI came and intimidated them, to withdraw their sworn statements. Does that sound the slightest bit like legitimate investigation or interest in the truth to you? The Democrat-Bolshevik machine is terrified of investigation, because they know the facts will not support them. If they were interested in the truth and confident an investigation would verify a legitimate election, they would allow one. That is why they are preventing an investigation every way they can.
Why were election recounts and audits perfectly fine in 2000, 2004, and 2016? Because it was audit of a Republican victory. And we said sure, fine, go ahead, because we were confident of the result. But your side in the 2020 election won't allow, and is obstructing a recount. Shredding ballots before the legally required 22 months of record keeping has expired. Stonewalling and not surrendering records, missing passwords and flash-drives, computer scans of ballots are all being with-held. Why would your side obstruct a 2020 re-count? Only one reason: Because THEY KNOW they cheated, and THEY KNOW the evidence will expose how they rigged the votes.
There's already video evidence of election rigging at the Atlanta vote-counting center, and the Detroit voting center, where hundreds of thousands of votes were pulled out from under tables and illegally counted, the same Democrat votes were illegally scanned and counted multiple times, and huge trucks with bags of illegal votes were brought in, as soon as the Republican vote observers were tricked into leaving. Mail-in ballot fraud. Voting center fraud by Democrat vote counters. Fraudulent votes in the names dead people. Or in the names of people who no longer lived in states. Or votes from phony names and fake addresses. Votes cast in the names of people who don't normally vote, who then were unable to vote when they showed up on election day to vote. And massive vote-flipping on Dominion voting machines, with "adjudication" changing Trump votes to Biden votes. And remote access cyber-hacking to change votes. Whether you like it or not, Mike Lindell and his guests presented evidence of all this. I regret that all this evidence could not have been presented on January 6th in a joint session of the House and Senate, and that then-Vice President Pence didn't authorize a delay of the electoral vote counting until 2 or 3 weeks of debate of this evidence could be debated on national television.
The truth is, because you are a Democrat-Bolshevik partisan, M E M, you will always just repeat the lying talking points of the Democrat/Left, no matter how blatantly untrue. YOU are the one who hates Democracy, as you support your Bolshevik party's attempts (S.B. 1 / H.R 1) to establish corrupt authoritarian one-party rule, and destroy our Constitution and its checks and balances on power. Yours is the party of socialism, and often unapologetically outright communism, the party of hating America, the party of tearing down statues of our nation's founders, hating police, hating our military, and siding with the enemies of the United States, even parroting the enemy's talking points. The party of Antifa and Black Lives Matter and Critical Race Theory.
The evidence, however under-reported, is there to support what I say. Mike Lindell offers that $5 million to anyone who can disprove what he says, because he knows he has the evidence, and no one on the other side will ever be able to offer the proof to take that 5 million. No matter what the evidence, America-hating Democrats will always allege it's never quite enough, no matter how much open and massive rigging of votes has been proven. Even as Joe Biden and the Democrat-Bolsheviks burn this country to the ground.
The Chinese, the Russians, Iran, North Korea, the Mexican drug cartels, Hispanic gangs, human traffickers, the literally millions of new illegal immigrants, the Taliban, ISIS, Al Qaida, all LOVE a Biden presidency. This is their guy.
... this is the first I've seen the exact nature of the threats. In some ways predictable, but in others more vile than I imagined. I first saw Jenna Ellis as a panelist on Greg Gutfeld's late night Redeye program, she's very low-key and quite beautiful.
My attitude about the threats to her and other Trump lawyers is... really? You threaten lawyers just for defending someone? You try and intimidate them, and undermine the rule of law? And not just Jenna Ellis, but no doubt every person on Trump's law team. Attempts to get them disbarred, to ruin them personally and professionally. There was one female lawyer at the beginning of the election challenge who immediately bailed from the Trump defense team. Now I more fully understand why. Unlike Jenna Ellis, she was older and had children who could also be threatened.
This is the standard-tactics slander-violence-intimidation Bolshevism of the Democrat/Left now.
The same tactics used against Brett Kavanaugh and Amy Coney Barret. The same tactics used on Alan Dershowitz, despite his being professor emeritus at Harvard Law School. The same tactics used against New York U.S. Representative Elise Stefanik, who actually was removed from a Harvard law school board just for defending Trump. The same tactics used on Rudy Giuliani, actually removing his law license (temporarily) from the New York Bar.
The same intimidation used against witnesses to Nov 2020 election fraud, some of it done by FBI agents.
Likewise the intimidation of anyone who supported Trump, Paul Manafort, Roger Stone, Jerome Corsi, Michael Flynn, K.,T. McFarland, Michael Pauto, Jorge Pappadapoulos, many others, indicted, legally threatened, maliciously prosecuted, some of them framed. And others like Pam Bondi, Sara Huckabee Sanders, who they wanted to ruin just for supporting Trump or serving in his administration. And likewise targeting anyone who was active in organizing or voicing support for Trump, and using IRS to target large Trump donors, as an example to intimidate others. And that goes back to targeting Tea Party and grassroots religious groups and large donors by the IRS and Lois Lerner since at least the 2012 election.
From weaponization of government agencies against Trump/Republican supporters, to the rhetoric coming out of Democrats like Schumer, Pelosi, Maxine Waters, A O-C and her "squad" rationalizing and encouraging violence against Trump/Republicans. To the cheering on of these threats by the liberal media To the Democrats' unofficial but never criticized nazi-brownshirt arms of Antifa and BLM, that openly attack people in the streets who just voice support for conservative ideas they disagree with.
This is what the Democrat party has become, from top to bottom. From the Washington leadership, to activists groups like BLM and Antify, to the print and broadcast media who cheer all this on, and spins propaganda in their favor. And even the Democrat-Bolsheviks within the law profession, and activist district attorneys, U.S. attorneys and judges, who shield them from prosecution, and just turn the law into another partisan Democrat weapon in its arsenal. And as evident from multiple cases over the last 10 years, even intimidating U.S. Supreme Court justices from acting.
Anyone supporting Trump enduring these threats is a brave person, to daily endure threats this abundant, and this serious. They're not idle threats, they mean it, and they're out for blood. Deception, slander, intimidation, violence, whatever serves their Bolshevik revolution.
Nobody should get death threats WB but I remember your “cry like a little baby” response not that long ago for those that wouldn’t bend to Trump’s attempt to stay in power. You are part of the problem aiding those that resort to such heinous behavior. Trumpers trying to run a campaign bus off the road was okay. Trump calling the attackers on Jan 6 “special people” and they were actually loving the police officers that they were viciously beating and not a drop of disgust for any of it. You and other trumpers revealed your “principles “ a while back and not fooling anyone.
You throw Bolshevik around like you accuse others of doing with Nazi, child.
"Bolshevik" is a precise and accurate term I use to describe the current Democrat leadership. I've been posting here for 20 years now, and it's not a term I used to describe Democrats until a few years into the Obama administration, around 2010. There is nothing hyperbolic in the comparison, the Democrats and the Soviet Bolsheviks they admire are in both ideology and actions the same.
Almost the entire Democrat party worships the thuggish Bolshevik tactics of the likes of Che Gueverra, Saul Alinsky, Hugo Chavez, Fidel Castro, Stalin, Mao and other brutal authoritarian marxist leaders. I've quoted these Democrats at length in previous topics, repeatedly: the Clintons themselves, the Bidens themselves, and Obama appointees such as Mark Lloyd, Anita Dunn, Ron Bloom, Van Jones, Valerie Jarrett and others. They OPENLY QUOTE Mao Tse Tung favorably. They praise Boshevik tactics as "very effective, and a good model to follow".
What is Bolshevism? It's authoritarian one-party totalitarian rule, that rises to power by slandering, intimidating and violently crushing all political opposition, even within their own party. That is precisely what the Democrats are doing. And that's not a surprise, when you see how they openly adore and quote Bolshevik/Marxist leaders and propagandists.
Both Bill and Hillary Clinton travelled to and lived in the Soviet Union in their college years, openly praised marxist/Soviet ideology, and its strong-arm Bolshevik tactics. Openly sided with the Soviets against the U.S.'s Vietnam war, openly led anti-U.S. protests. And only Bill Clinton ever made any pretense of being a moderate, while Hillary Clinton pushed him to be more hard-Left every step of the way. https://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individuals/hillary-rodham-clinton https://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individuals/bill-clinton
Likewise Bernie Sanders, who spent his Honeymoon in the Soviet Union, openly praised the Soviet system, adoringly praised the Castro Cuba government, praised the Sandinista government in Nicaragua, the Maoist government in China. The only government Sanders could find nothing positive to say about in 5 decades is the U.S. capitalist system. Bernie Sanders had a SOVIET FLAG ON THE WALL OF HIS OFFICE, for the entire 10 years he was mayor of Wilmington, VT, before he moved on to higher office as a Senator. https://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individuals/bernie-sanders
Barack Obama is a cultural marxist, who used to teach Saul Alinsky rules for radicals tactics to "community organizers" (i.e., trained marxist street agitators) for ACORN after he graduated college, and was regarded by others at ACORN as the unchallenged master of Alinsky tactics. Mentored in his college years by Frank Marshall Davis, a marxist and open Stalinist who spent his entire adult life under FBI surveillance. Barack Obama was a protege of William Ayers of the Weather Underground. Obama was an apostle of Derrick Bell and his Critical Race Theory writings, and (on VIDEO) once introduced Bell enthusiastically at a public lecture in Boston. He is the son of Barack Obama Sr. and Stanley Ann Dunham, both America-hating cultural marxists and anti-Colonialists. Obama's first political fundraiser was hosted in Ayers' home. And his administration was filled to the brim with marxist radicals. Michelle Obama as well is a white hating cultural marxist and racist, who, among many incendiary remarks, said "I'm as integrated as I ever want to be." https://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individuals/barack-hussein-obama https://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individuals/michelle-obama
Elizabeth Warren, Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez, Ilhan Omar, Rashida Tlaib, Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi, Pete Buttegeig, Maxine Waters, Cory Booker, Cori Bush, to a person within the Democrat party, they are all marxist-Bolshevik to the core, and endorse the core Bolshevik tactics of intimidation and violence to achieve their political goals. https://www.discoverthenetworks.org/organizations/individuals
They all endorse ( H.R 1 and S.B. 1) legislation so their Bolshevik party can exercise absolute power over elections, to the exclusion of state governments, to the exclusion of even the minority party to challenge elections. They are purging our military and federal law enforcement agencies of Republican officials, labelling them "extremists" to remove them and exclude any representation by those might oppose their Bolshevik takeover. And even the "moderates" like Joe Manchin and Kirstyn Sinema might object to certain legislation, but never attack the overall rhetoric or violence of their fellow members, or even that of BLM and Antifa.
Yes, the Democrats are Bolshevik, to the core. And describing them with a term for the ideology and tactics they openly emulate and believe in is not the slightest bit hyperbolic, it is just accurate.
Why don't you MORE HONESTLY post the multiple videos of OTHER doors to the Capitol, where the Capitol police officers themselves held the doors open, ON VIDEO, and welcomed Trump supporters in, so they could later accuse them of "insurrection" and "Storming the Capitol" , when in truth they just walked in, invited.
AGAIN, out of over 100,000 protestors, only about 600 entered the Capitol. And of those 600, only about 50 committed anything resembling violence, including smashing windows, urinating a desk, and stealing a posium, some letters and other personal items.
OUT THIS WEEK: The FBI has said that no one has been accused of insurrection. NOT ONE PERSON CHARGED WITH INSURRECTION.
And again, of that 50 violent offenders, from the FBI's own investigation, there are at least 20 "un-indicted co-conspirators" (i.,e. FBI undercover agents) including one who shared a hotel room with the head of Oath Keepers at the rally, and who gave the battle plan to Oath Keepers. Meaning if anything happened, it was undercover agents who planned it, not the Oath Keepers themselves. Entrapment, a frame, a set-up.
Add to that about 10 to 20 BLM/Antifa led by John Earle Sullivan, were dressed up as Trump supporters, and ON VIDEOTAPE openly boasted they were disguised as Trump supporters, that they were going to get Trump supporters blamed for violence, and hoped to trick some into following them into violence. It was John Earle Sullivan himself with some of his followers who DIRECTLY caused the shooting of Ashli Babbit, egging on the Trump supporters (if they were's all Sullivan's own BLM/Antifa group in Trump-supporter clothing) And he is filmed from 2 angles on the scene as it happened, and (posing as a journalist) stoking fear in the cop who shot Babbitt just before he shot her. Self-incriminatingly posted by John Earle Sullivan himself, all over Facebook, Twitter and Instagram.
And when you add up the 20 "un-indicted co-conspirators" and the 15 or 20 fake Trump supporters and rioters in John Earle Sullivan's group, that means the overwhelming majority, if not ALL, of "insurrectionists" were NOT Trump supporters, but part of at least two separate conspirator groups to FRAME Trump supporters.
Likewise the alleged plot to kidnap Michigan governor Gretchen Whitmer, where 3 of the 5 involved in the plot were FBI agents, and the one who proposed the plot was an FBI agent. Again: a set up, a frame, a lying narrative. The same way the FBI set up and tried to frame Paul Manafort, George Papadapoulos, Roger Stone, Jerome Corsi, Michael Flynn, Michael Caputo, K.T. McFarland and so forth. And when they could not be convicted, they manufactured a perjury trap so they could charge them and threaten them with something.
So again... according to Jill Sanborn, assistant director of counter-terrorism at the FBI, NO ONE is accused of "insurrection" , NOT ONE firearm was seized that day by police in or around the Capitol, or anywhere around Washington square. THERE WAS NO INSURRECTION. Period. There was some minor rioting by around 50 people, no building was burned, no stores were looted, no one was killed, and the worst thing that happened (the Ashli Babbitt shooting) was caused by John Earl Sullivan's BLM/Antifa group, and an anonymous trigger happy Capitol police officer.
AGAIN: In the initial 3 months, the FBI rounded up 290 Trump supporters, and 90% of them were only charged with "trespassing", no violent offenses.
So a month after that, to keep the lying Democrat narrative of an "insurrection" alive, they went out and arrested another 100 or so, more trespassers, no violent criminals, no armed militia, nothing. Just to keep the Democrt lying narrative alive.
Then when Bolshevik party judge Merrick Garland was appointed attorney general, he breathed new life into the false narrative and declared that "white supremacist insurrectionists" are the greatest threat to the country, and ordered ANOTHER false-narrative building expansion of the "investigation". More trespassers, no violent offenders, just enough to keep the false narrative alive.
Iggnoring the evidence that goes against that false narrative:
That's a police officer opening the gate and waving in the protestors to the Capitol.
...that emphasizes the similarities between the Chinese Communist Party and the U.S. Democrat/ Left in each's organized efforts to frame their political opposition.
The Chinese Foreign Ministry gushed over President Joe Biden’s inauguration on Thursday, although its river of praise read more like a backhanded parting shot at the departing Trump administration than any deep appreciation for the new one.
As Reuters pointed out, Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Hua Chunying made a point of including a new propaganda phrase adapted by the Chinese Communist Party from a line in Biden’s inaugural speech and repeated by Chinese state media: “I believe if both countries put in the effort, the kind angels can triumph over evil forces.” The line is a play on Biden saying, “Through struggle, sacrifice, and setbacks, our better angels have always prevailed.” Biden was, in turn, quoting Abraham Lincoln’s inaugural address.
“In the past years, the Trump administration, especially Pompeo, has laid too many mines that need to be removed, burned too many bridges that need to be rebuilt, damaged too many roads that need to be repaired,” Hua said on Thursday, referring to former Secretary of State Mike Pompeo. “President Biden also mentioned in his inauguration speech that Americans have much to heal, much to restore. This is exactly what China-U.S. relations need,” she said.
Apparently, that need for healing and restoration is not urgent enough for China to drop the petty-revenge sanctions it imposed on departing Trump officials during the Biden inauguration ceremony. Even the Biden team thought those sanctions were a bit much, denouncing them as “unproductive and cynical,” but Hua insisted they were appropriate and would remain in force. “China’s decision to impose sanctions on these U.S. individuals is a legitimate and necessary response to their erroneous behaviors that severely violated China’s sovereignty, security and development interests on China-related issues. It fully demonstrates the Chinese government’s determination to safeguard national interests,” she said. “I must stress that in the past few years, out of selfish political agenda and bias and hatred against China, some anti-China politicians in the United States planned, worked on and made a lot of crazy moves that severely interfered in China’s internal affairs, undermined China’s interests, hurt the Chinese people’s sentiments, and damaged China-U.S. relations. China has pointed out multiple times that these anti-China politicians will pay for their crazy acts,” she added.
Those "selfish" and " erroneous behaviors" were, y'know, eliminating annual trade deficits of over 500 billion a year to something resembling proportionate and equal mutual trade, putting pressure on China to stop its cyber-theft estimated at about 600 billion a year, targeting every U.S. large company and every federal branch of government hit by Chinese cyber-hacking,. AndChinese aggression toward its neighbors in and around the South China sea. And its attempted crushing human rights violations in Hong Kong, and increasingly telegraphing they plan to do the same to Taiwan. And imprisonment, slave labor, forced sterilization, torture and genocide of Uyghurs in Xinxiang province, estimated to be about 1 to 3 million incarcerated. And the same treatment of those in occupied Tibet.
You know. "selfish" stuff like that. Stuff Biden will roll over and play dead over, and allow the Chinese to run wild.
Still true.
Biden is more clearly a corrupt Benedict Arnold sellout to China than he was 21 months ago. Every self-incriminating e-mail on Hunter Biden's laptop has turned out to be verified and absolutely true. And the 51 intelligence officials who signed a letter alleging it was "Russian disinformation" have turned out to be proven liars and Democrat partisans.
The Biden family are known to have pocketed at least $31 million dollars in Chinese Communist Party cash, that has resulted in decision after decision that has weakened the U.S., and strengthened China. And overturned every Trump-era policy to protect the U.S. from Chinese military, economic, or technological aggression toward the U.S.
My cited facts, sourced and linked propaganda, your empty and malicious insults not taking my cult shit seriously. You I have no serious point.
Just to get a rise bullshit because I'm a fucking cultist. [I'm a] Moron.
We fucking know, man...
Asked and answered, dipshit :
Originally Posted by Wonder Boy
What you describe as "right wing propaganda sites" are, in fact, mainstream conservative news. And many of them not even conservatives, but liberals who while not conservatives, are outraged by the unhinged bias and radical-Leftist Bolshevik power grab that is being attempted by the united-front liberal media, radical-leftist tech companies and social media, and the Democrat-Bolshvik party, who are trying to establish authoritarian one-party rule in the United States. Journalists like John Solomon, Lara Logan, Sharyl Attkisson, Glenn Greenwald, Ron Kessler, Bernard Goldberg, John Stossel, those are all undeniably mainstream award-winning reporters.
There are extensive examples to confirm that it is in fact the liberal media that YOU exalt, that are in fact, the true propagandists. Fox News, Newsmax, FBN, Wall Street Journal, the American Conservative, Breitbart, Daily Caller, Rasmussen, New York Post, The Federalist, Revolver News, Rebel News, Human Events, Substack, MRC.org, and American Greatness, are all pretty mainstream and accessible news organizations who hire journalists to write actual news stories, not propaganda opinion blogs.
And I would hold any of them in higher regard than (as Sharyl Atkisson sourced extensively) the overtly partisan propagandists who have been caught deliberately getting stories wrong for over 10 years on event after event. From Trayvon Martin, Michael Brown, the Sandy Hook shooter, the Aurora Colorado movie theatre shooter, to selective omission of Rev. Jeremiah Wright ties to Obama, selective omission of William Ayers' ties to Obama. The Hillary Clinton Benghazi negligence (10 years later and STILL no one has reported where either Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama were during the hours of that attack.) The Hillary Clinton e-mails on a private server, that compromised top-secret documents to the Russian and Chinese spy hackers on a daily basis for four years (THAT doesn't bother you, but this contrived thing about documents at Mar A Lago does?!?) The partisan reporting that I sourced and linked repeatedly in a topic during Occupy Wall Street fiasco protests, that was sometimes so egregious newspapers and broadcast news networks had to fire reporters. And from 2015-present, literally DOZENS of stories about Donald Trump where the media over and over DELIBERATELY got it wrong, so intense was their Trump-hate and their zeal to destroy Trump, by any deceitful means. And yet it blew up in their faces, over and over. Failed. Exposed. Over and over.
So yeah, when you source CNN or MSNBC, or Politico, or Washington Post, or New York Times, you're essentially quoting liberal opinion blogs that agree with your unhinged partisan opinion and hatred. And if you doubt that, just look at the above examples quoted by Sharyl Attkisson.
A New York Times so hostile to reporting objective news, that a mass of N Y Times employees harassed reporter/editor Bari Weiss into quitting, just for giving Sen.Tom Cotton equal time in an editorial, in the silly idea of giving balanced coverage to both sides. The New York Times employees have the same mentality as those working for Tass or Pravda.
But yeah, whatever, here I am trying to reason with the mentally ill, so intense is your irrational leftissm and Trump-hate.
The ACTUAL "cultists" are people like you who actually believe what the liberal media fronts and hold it up as "facts", as if there were still an ethical journalism standard, despite that in story after story the mainstream liberal media have been proven wrong in their facts. And usually DELIBERATELY reported wrong, in their zeal to smear Trump or other Republicans, and to fly cover for the Democrats.
Over and over, the right-wing pro-Trump, pro-Tea Party, pro-MAGA groups, when the true facts are finally revealed, have 2 years later been proven to be the ones who were right from the beginning, and the liberal media and Democrat-Bolsheviks are proven to have been factually incorrect from the beginning. Some high-profile media examples :
1. The narrative that Covid-19 was created in a wet market, and not the Wuhan lab where it truly was. And that Anthony Fauci and the NIH actually funded that "gain of function" bat- Coronavirus research. AND, even after the outbreak in March 2020, COVERED IT UP. As FOIA-request revealed in Fauci's e-mail chains.
2. Surgical masks don't work in preventing Covid-19, even N-95 masks have proven to be cause virtually no protection.
3. School lockdowns to prevent Covid don't work.
4. Economic lockdowns to prevent Covid don't work.
5. Trump didn't collaborate with the Russians to rig the 2016 election (but Hillary Clinton, the DNC, and the FBIdid collaborate with the Russians.)
6. Hunter Biden's laptop was NOT "Russian disinformation", and the 53 Democrat-partisan intelligence officials who signed a letter saying it was Russian disinformation, were dead wrong, and deliberately fronting that false narative to help Biden win the 2020 election. And FBI, DOJ, the Democrat leadership, AND the liberal media who suppressed it, KNEW it from the start the laptop was in fact Hunter Biden's. And everything on it evidence of Hunter Biden's crimes, AND Joe Biden's crimes, selling out the U.S. to China, Russia and Ukraine.
7. Covid-19 vaccinations were ineffective, they did not prevent individuals from getting infected, and vaccination did not prevent them from infecting others.
8. Dominion voting machines are easily hacked, and Sen Elizabeth Warren, Sen Amy Klobuchar, and Sen Ron Wyden were fighting to block their use from 2017-2020. Until the point that Dominion voting machines (as part of a wider multiple streams of election fraud ) resulted in a victory for Biden and the Democrats, at which point they went silent on the issue. But their documented criticism of Dominion FOR YEARS in news reports still exists, to show they were criticizing Dominion voter machines, before the narrative completely flipped and became "right wing conspiracy theory". Three Democrat senators and CNN and NY Times all reported the factual danger of Dominion voting machines first, before they silenced anyone from discussing it further.
9. The "5 people killed by Trump supporters" narrative on Jan 6 2021 at the Capitol. "Officer Brian Sicknick KILLED by Trump supporters." First alleged to be bludgeoned with a fire extinguisher. Then alleged to be killed with bear spray or some other chemical. Both narratives admitted to be completely false, by even the New York Times six months after the fac, who created the narrative in the first place.
10. The "insurrection" narrative, deceitfully popularized by the media, despite there were no guns in the Capitol or anywhere in Washington Square that day (SOURCE: Jill Sanborn, head of the FBI's investigation of the January 6th riots) , no organized seizure of buildings or of other military targets. No hostages taken, another false narrative. And the icing on the cake, of the 60 people involved in rioting or vandalism on January 6th, "at least 20" were FBI undercover agents , i.e. "un-indicted co-conspirators". (SOURCE: the FBI's own investigative reports). And another 20 or so were John Earle Sullivan and his group of Antifa Salt Lake City who, in videos posted all over the internet, openly boasted they were dressing up as Trump supporters to commit violence, to trick Trump supporters into following them into violence, gloating they would get Trump supporters blamed for their own rioting and vandalism. At least 40 of the 60 were not even Trump supporters, WERE IN FACT AGENTS SENT TO FRAME THEM
These are JUST SOME OF the false narratives zealously fronted daily for at least 2 years now by CNN, MSNBC, ABC, NBC, CBS, PBS, The New York Times, Washington Post, Politico, and the rest of the Democrat/Leftist Trump-hating media, much of which they've already revealed was false reports from the start.
But you call me a "cultist". And yet it is YOU and the rest of the Democrat/Left who are clearly lapping up a suicide cult 's disinformation Kool-Aid.
As I write this, Vladimir Putin today is threatening to use nukes if the West doesn't back off in Ukraine. Biden and the Democrats, after having pointlessly gutted tens of thousands of our military with Covid purges, making it completely unprepared for war, is escalating the rhetoric and pushing for war with both Russia and China. National suicide. Democrat zealots eagerly drinking the Kool-Aid.
*** AND *** negotiating a renewed Iran nuclear deal that will give Iran nuclear weapons. ** AND ** letting illegal criminals, drug cartels, potential terrorists, and potential Russian, Chinese and Al Qaida military forces to just walk across the U.S. Southern border and invade.
So far this fiscal year, in addition to the 2 million illegals Biden has let walk in with no vetting, there have also been [b]another 800,000 "got-aways" that were caught on video surveillance cameras but did not have the border agents to apprehend, who just walked in completely unprocessed and completely un-identified by U.S. Border Patrol. That is a mass of persons that exceeds in size the entire Russian military.
Nuclear war, massive terrorism, or invasion, these are the inevitable results of the Kool-Aid your cult is drinking, from a visibly lying Democrat-Bolshevik media (again, just re-watch the Sharyl Attkisson Hillsdale video, where she documents dozens of examples of a fanatical media deliberately ignoring the facts to sell a narrative. For cultists like you to gullibly believe. )
Or, you know, you just accept that as fact because it contorts to your world-view, cultist writer of screeds.
Originally Posted by Iggy, translated
Bla bla bla, screed (whatever that meaningless term is supposed to imply), doofus, cultist, fuck you, fuck your mother, etc. etc.
You don't even believe the shit garbage you post. Your only purpose is to troll, you've openly said repeatedly your only purpose is to harass me. No facts, no logical arguments, and you try to ignore the extensive sourced and linked facts I've cited above.
....Oh wait. No it isn't. Trump is drawing tremendously huge crowds every where he goes--even places he hasn't gone (see also: Beverly Hills)--and, predictably, the polls have once again gone from YUGELY favoring Democrats to evening out with, or leaning toward, Trump.
Lets cut to the meat of the matter and eliminate all equivocation in the process: the Democrats do not have hidden voters. They all operate in plain sight on account of their self proclaimed, protected status as "polite society". By that same token, Trump's voters are still vilified and targeted--even killed (see also: Jacob Gardner's "suicide")--when identified by hostile partizans and aggressive insurgents (see also: Antifa, BLM), and thus have a vested interest in remaining hidden even as Trump draws large crowds. Where there's smoke, there's fire...and if those rally sizes constitute smoke, what does that say about the fire?
Bearing this in mind, the polls lie. Obviously. They always have, being a tool of manipulating public perception rather than a means of conducting objective analysis. That being said, they've gone almost completely from serving the purpose of overestimating the cultural strength and prevalence of Democrats, as a means to chip away at conservative morale, to masking an inevitable massive fraud so as to cease the severe hemorrhage from the near fatal wounds that Trump has dealt the cabal (see also: the euphemistic "Deep State"). It's certainly not the first time or occasion that Democrats have cheated using voter fraud. More than likely they've used numerous permutations of the basic concept over the past 40 to 50 years in every single state to gaslight the populous with spurious perceptions that they're outnumbered by an "other" philosophy that's entirely alien to them and that they're a dying race of thinkers destined for death. But I'm all but certain that the lengths they've gone to over the past 6 to 12 months constitutes the single most massive fraud to which we will ever bear witness since they are necessarily going to have to break the 3% rule in an attempt to meet their goal of getting the dementia-plagued Biden (Harris) into office.
By "3%", I'm referring to the threshold that must be observed when playing the game of stacking dummy votes before it becomes noticeable. By comparison, the scale of the primaries is such that a given political party can get away with a rate of 10% fraudulent ballots or, at the very least, "counted" votes before hitting a barrier of explicit fraud (see also: Hillary and Biden stealing primaries in CA and IA). The threshold for a general is 3%, and they must surpass it. They will, of course, launch the same narrative of "look no further" with regards to voter fraud OR they will project blame on the opposition. But this is the first time that they've had to deal with someone who has a vested interest in exposing voter fraud--as opposed to establishment Republicans who've been complicit with Democrats in hiding it.
Bearing these two factors in mind, the center-left and/or dead heat polls that we are seeing assuredly allude to something beyond margin of error. More like, significant lead for Trump that they're desperate to hide. In actuality, they know people don't believe it, but since narratives must be steeped in the tone of something "official", they must forego the acknowledgement of the natural understanding of the individual (see also: common sense) and rely upon the open secret of deceit so that they might simply emphasize their own consistency to justify results that are inconsistent with apparent reality, and thus effectively broadcasting their strategy to their true believers (see also: MEM) via the dog whistle of outrageous claims and general incredulity given credence only by their own repetition and devotion to the current state of the Overton Window. The Zeitgeist is now squarely in the hands of the individual, and not the media.
PA has already stated that the state will not be called today in the interest of insuring 'every vote is accounted for'. NC will likely be in a similar situation. Democrats managed to take advantage of the liberal plant, Justice Roberts, who has allowed them to keep votes flowing into the states three days past the election. Trump will cry fowl--as well he should. As counties that were clearly turned red gradually metamorphasize to blue over a long enough timeline, the rules of the game will be clear cut to everyone. And that spark will risk a conflagration.
People here are probably already aware of the warnings of rioting, violence, and looting today--especially if Biden loses. This fact should be self-defeating to his ilk, but neigh. On the contrary, they've gone through great lengths to construct a mentally gymnastic high ground built up the persistent narrative that Trump is an underhanded, lying istaphobe to whom which any form of violence would be justified. As such, they have fabricated a reality in which they can wear the violence and viciousness of Biden's supporters and fellow travelers on their sleeve and still sit pretty atop their pile of sophistry ridden rhetoric and ad hominem laden shit. Conversely, any violence taken up by Trump supporters, whether offensive or defensive, in the coming days will be portrayed as insurrectionist terrorism. Only the left could some how get away with being so blatantly coercive, but still make a case for righteousness. And while this is going on, Hilldog has told Biden to "not concede defeat under any circumstances".
For those who don't already know at this point: everyone--and I mean EVERYONE--is now VERY well armed and on high alert. Antifa is gonna Antifa regardless of outcome. BLM is gonna BLM regardless of outcome. Such are the intimidation orders they've been receiving from OCONUS. Furthermore, mothers have bought firearms in record numbers on account of the riots. Militias are standing by, and still as geared up as they ever were. Trump has erected a fence around the White House and called in around 250 soldiers to guard the castle.
I'm hoping I'm wrong on this one and that Trump has a trick up his sleeve to mitigate or nullify the likely friction (to put it lightly) that will ensue today and over the course of the next month or so. But there's too many factors, too many actors, and too much on the line to assume anything other than shots fired.
Knowing full well the consequences of saying something with this much finality before the big game, I say it anyway: Trump will win in a landslide both in the popular vote and the electoral college. Any other reported result will, and should, be challenged.
Back to our original programming.
....What say the rest of you? Putting aside your preferences, which are pretty much well documented, who do you think will win and by how much?
....Oh wait. No it isn't. Trump is drawing tremendously huge crowds every where he goes--even places he hasn't gone (see also: Beverly Hills)--and, predictably, the polls have once again gone from YUGELY favoring Democrats to evening out with, or leaning toward, Trump.
Lets cut to the meat of the matter and eliminate all equivocation in the process: the Democrats do not have hidden voters. They all operate in plain sight on account of their self proclaimed, protected status as "polite society". By that same token, Trump's voters are still vilified and targeted--even killed (see also: Jacob Gardner's "suicide")--when identified by hostile partizans and aggressive insurgents (see also: Antifa, BLM), and thus have a vested interest in remaining hidden even as Trump draws large crowds. Where there's smoke, there's fire...and if those rally sizes constitute smoke, what does that say about the fire?
Bearing this in mind, the polls lie. Obviously. They always have, being a tool of manipulating public perception rather than a means of conducting objective analysis. That being said, they've gone almost completely from serving the purpose of overestimating the cultural strength and prevalence of Democrats, as a means to chip away at conservative morale, to masking an inevitable massive fraud so as to cease the severe hemorrhage from the near fatal wounds that Trump has dealt the cabal (see also: the euphemistic "Deep State"). It's certainly not the first time or occasion that Democrats have cheated using voter fraud. More than likely they've used numerous permutations of the basic concept over the past 40 to 50 years in every single state to gaslight the populous with spurious perceptions that they're outnumbered by an "other" philosophy that's entirely alien to them and that they're a dying race of thinkers destined for death. But I'm all but certain that the lengths they've gone to over the past 6 to 12 months constitutes the single most massive fraud to which we will ever bear witness since they are necessarily going to have to break the 3% rule in an attempt to meet their goal of getting the dementia-plagued Biden (Harris) into office.
By "3%", I'm referring to the threshold that must be observed when playing the game of stacking dummy votes before it becomes noticeable. By comparison, the scale of the primaries is such that a given political party can get away with a rate of 10% fraudulent ballots or, at the very least, "counted" votes before hitting a barrier of explicit fraud (see also: Hillary and Biden stealing primaries in CA and IA). The threshold for a general is 3%, and they must surpass it. They will, of course, launch the same narrative of "look no further" with regards to voter fraud OR they will project blame on the opposition. But this is the first time that they've had to deal with someone who has a vested interest in exposing voter fraud--as opposed to establishment Republicans who've been complicit with Democrats in hiding it.
Bearing these two factors in mind, the center-left and/or dead heat polls that we are seeing assuredly allude to something beyond margin of error. More like, significant lead for Trump that they're desperate to hide. In actuality, they know people don't believe it, but since narratives must be steeped in the tone of something "official", they must forego the acknowledgement of the natural understanding of the individual (see also: common sense) and rely upon the open secret of deceit so that they might simply emphasize their own consistency to justify results that are inconsistent with apparent reality, and thus effectively broadcasting their strategy to their true believers (see also: MEM) via the dog whistle of outrageous claims and general incredulity given credence only by their own repetition and devotion to the current state of the Overton Window. The Zeitgeist is now squarely in the hands of the individual, and not the media.
PA has already stated that the state will not be called today in the interest of insuring 'every vote is accounted for'. NC will likely be in a similar situation. Democrats managed to take advantage of the liberal plant, Justice Roberts, who has allowed them to keep votes flowing into the states three days past the election. Trump will cry fowl--as well he should. As counties that were clearly turned red gradually metamorphasize to blue over a long enough timeline, the rules of the game will be clear cut to everyone. And that spark will risk a conflagration.
People here are probably already aware of the warnings of rioting, violence, and looting today--especially if Biden loses. This fact should be self-defeating to his ilk, but neigh. On the contrary, they've gone through great lengths to construct a mentally gymnastic high ground built up the persistent narrative that Trump is an underhanded, lying istaphobe to whom which any form of violence would be justified. As such, they have fabricated a reality in which they can wear the violence and viciousness of Biden's supporters and fellow travelers on their sleeve and still sit pretty atop their pile of sophistry ridden rhetoric and ad hominem laden shit. Conversely, any violence taken up by Trump supporters, whether offensive or defensive, in the coming days will be portrayed as insurrectionist terrorism. Only the left could some how get away with being so blatantly coercive, but still make a case for righteousness. And while this is going on, Hilldog has told Biden to "not concede defeat under any circumstances".
For those who don't already know at this point: everyone--and I mean EVERYONE--is now VERY well armed and on high alert. Antifa is gonna Antifa regardless of outcome. BLM is gonna BLM regardless of outcome. Such are the intimidation orders they've been receiving from OCONUS. Furthermore, mothers have bought firearms in record numbers on account of the riots. Militias are standing by, and still as geared up as they ever were. Trump has erected a fence around the White House and called in around 250 soldiers to guard the castle.
I'm hoping I'm wrong on this one and that Trump has a trick up his sleeve to mitigate or nullify the likely friction (to put it lightly) that will ensue today and over the course of the next month or so. But there's too many factors, too many actors, and too much on the line to assume anything other than shots fired.
Knowing full well the consequences of saying something with this much finality before the big game, I say it anyway: Trump will win in a landslide both in the popular vote and the electoral college. Any other reported result will, and should, be challenged.
Back to our original programming.
....What say the rest of you? Putting aside your preferences, which are pretty much well documented, who do you think will win and by how much?
....Oh wait. No it isn't. Trump is drawing tremendously huge crowds every where he goes--even places he hasn't gone (see also: Beverly Hills)--and, predictably, the polls have once again gone from YUGELY favoring Democrats to evening out with, or leaning toward, Trump.
Lets cut to the meat of the matter and eliminate all equivocation in the process: the Democrats do not have hidden voters. They all operate in plain sight on account of their self proclaimed, protected status as "polite society". By that same token, Trump's voters are still vilified and targeted--even killed (see also: Jacob Gardner's "suicide")--when identified by hostile partizans and aggressive insurgents (see also: Antifa, BLM), and thus have a vested interest in remaining hidden even as Trump draws large crowds. Where there's smoke, there's fire...and if those rally sizes constitute smoke, what does that say about the fire?
Bearing this in mind, the polls lie. Obviously. They always have, being a tool of manipulating public perception rather than a means of conducting objective analysis. That being said, they've gone almost completely from serving the purpose of overestimating the cultural strength and prevalence of Democrats, as a means to chip away at conservative morale, to masking an inevitable massive fraud so as to cease the severe hemorrhage from the near fatal wounds that Trump has dealt the cabal (see also: the euphemistic "Deep State"). It's certainly not the first time or occasion that Democrats have cheated using voter fraud. More than likely they've used numerous permutations of the basic concept over the past 40 to 50 years in every single state to gaslight the populous with spurious perceptions that they're outnumbered by an "other" philosophy that's entirely alien to them and that they're a dying race of thinkers destined for death. But I'm all but certain that the lengths they've gone to over the past 6 to 12 months constitutes the single most massive fraud to which we will ever bear witness since they are necessarily going to have to break the 3% rule in an attempt to meet their goal of getting the dementia-plagued Biden (Harris) into office.
By "3%", I'm referring to the threshold that must be observed when playing the game of stacking dummy votes before it becomes noticeable. By comparison, the scale of the primaries is such that a given political party can get away with a rate of 10% fraudulent ballots or, at the very least, "counted" votes before hitting a barrier of explicit fraud (see also: Hillary and Biden stealing primaries in CA and IA). The threshold for a general is 3%, and they must surpass it. They will, of course, launch the same narrative of "look no further" with regards to voter fraud OR they will project blame on the opposition. But this is the first time that they've had to deal with someone who has a vested interest in exposing voter fraud--as opposed to establishment Republicans who've been complicit with Democrats in hiding it.
Bearing these two factors in mind, the center-left and/or dead heat polls that we are seeing assuredly allude to something beyond margin of error. More like, significant lead for Trump that they're desperate to hide. In actuality, they know people don't believe it, but since narratives must be steeped in the tone of something "official", they must forego the acknowledgement of the natural understanding of the individual (see also: common sense) and rely upon the open secret of deceit so that they might simply emphasize their own consistency to justify results that are inconsistent with apparent reality, and thus effectively broadcasting their strategy to their true believers (see also: MEM) via the dog whistle of outrageous claims and general incredulity given credence only by their own repetition and devotion to the current state of the Overton Window. The Zeitgeist is now squarely in the hands of the individual, and not the media.
PA has already stated that the state will not be called today in the interest of insuring 'every vote is accounted for'. NC will likely be in a similar situation. Democrats managed to take advantage of the liberal plant, Justice Roberts, who has allowed them to keep votes flowing into the states three days past the election. Trump will cry fowl--as well he should. As counties that were clearly turned red gradually metamorphasize to blue over a long enough timeline, the rules of the game will be clear cut to everyone. And that spark will risk a conflagration.
People here are probably already aware of the warnings of rioting, violence, and looting today--especially if Biden loses. This fact should be self-defeating to his ilk, but neigh. On the contrary, they've gone through great lengths to construct a mentally gymnastic high ground built up the persistent narrative that Trump is an underhanded, lying istaphobe to whom which any form of violence would be justified. As such, they have fabricated a reality in which they can wear the violence and viciousness of Biden's supporters and fellow travelers on their sleeve and still sit pretty atop their pile of sophistry ridden rhetoric and ad hominem laden shit. Conversely, any violence taken up by Trump supporters, whether offensive or defensive, in the coming days will be portrayed as insurrectionist terrorism. Only the left could some how get away with being so blatantly coercive, but still make a case for righteousness. And while this is going on, Hilldog has told Biden to "not concede defeat under any circumstances".
For those who don't already know at this point: everyone--and I mean EVERYONE--is now VERY well armed and on high alert. Antifa is gonna Antifa regardless of outcome. BLM is gonna BLM regardless of outcome. Such are the intimidation orders they've been receiving from OCONUS. Furthermore, mothers have bought firearms in record numbers on account of the riots. Militias are standing by, and still as geared up as they ever were. Trump has erected a fence around the White House and called in around 250 soldiers to guard the castle.
I'm hoping I'm wrong on this one and that Trump has a trick up his sleeve to mitigate or nullify the likely friction (to put it lightly) that will ensue today and over the course of the next month or so. But there's too many factors, too many actors, and too much on the line to assume anything other than shots fired.
Knowing full well the consequences of saying something with this much finality before the big game, I say it anyway: Trump will win in a landslide both in the popular vote and the electoral college. Any other reported result will, and should, be challenged.
Back to our original programming.
....What say the rest of you? Putting aside your preferences, which are pretty much well documented, who do you think will win and by how much?
Interesting and sad look back at the election. Before this I thought we all shared some basic principles. Losing an election sucks but the willingness to support a candidate’s efforts to steal was an eye opener. Heroes like Pence and Cheney, that I would never vote for because they’re way to conservative stood up knowing what they would be hit with. I think of them when I look at the sad pathetic thing that the GOP is now.
Interesting and sad look back at the election. Before this I thought we all shared some basic principles. Losing an election sucks but the willingness to support a candidate’s efforts to steal was an eye opener. Heroes like Pence and Cheney, that I would never vote for because they’re way to conservative stood up knowing what they would be hit with. I think of them when I look at the sad pathetic thing that the GOP is now.
Uh...
2000 election, Democrats: "Bush stole the election!" (Said for many years, despite THREE re-counts in front of the global media, and even multiple privately funded recounts by the Miami Herald, Washington Post, and other major newspapers, that ALSO confirmed that W. Bush won.) Democrats challenged both the 2000 and 2004 elections. And then again challenged the 2016 election.
All elections that were legally disputed, if Democrats were less than civil in doing so. Democrats had a right to re-count the votes. They DIDN'T have a right to slanderously poison the well and allege "Russia collusion" (i.e., Perkins-Coie law firm / Fusion GPS / Christopher Steele, and their "Russia Dossier" that was clearly funded by the Clinton campaign and the DNC, with the full blessing of the Obama White House administration, and rogue Democrat-zealot agents in the FBI, DOJ and CIA, in a malicious and completely untrue legal case against Trump, PROVEN untue) that crippled his presidency (as Democrats intended to) for most of its four years.
These federal officials and agents should be prosecuted and in jail. They are only NOT prosecuted because the Democrats are in power and corruptly protecting them from prosecution. Even as they SIMULTANEOUSLY manufacture fake charges and maliciously prosecute Donald Trump and others in his administration on further false allegations, burying them in expensive legal cases in FOUR jurisdictions at the same time (Manhattan, Miami, Washington DC, and now Fulton County, GA).
And yet... no one can even ask for a re-count over the 2020 election? Or make a case with the evidence of election fraud in the election? The multiple irregularities and outright proof of election fraud? Republicans are not even allowed to ask, despite abundant evidence. And in several cases, the ballots (Arizona) that are required BY LAW to be kept on file for such a re-count, were immediately shredded and destroyed. The election riggers made sure no election re-count was even possible. But Republicans are portrayed as crazy evil insurrectionists, if they even ask for a re-count and investigation, what they are entitled to, BY LAW.
THE SAME challenges that the Democrats themselves took, in 2000, 2004, and 2016, that they maliciously pursued in every election they lost over the last 20 years. And Republicans are shameful and crazy and insurrectionist for demanding investigation, based on far more evidence of election fraud in 2020 ?
NO ONE will ever convince me that Joe Biden legitimately won in Nov 2020. There is no logical way this Biden "victory" occurred. Up until 3 AM on election night, Trump was winning in every battleground state. In all these contested states, Democrat election officials deceitfully sent Republican vote observers home, saying they were done for the night, and then in their absence continued counting. And lo and behold, all of a sudden the Democrats counting votes, unsupervised by observers sent home, suddenly THEN there was a spike in votes for Biden, in those 8 or so unsupervised hours. In several cases with security videocamera footage, and hundreds of sworn witnesses to the fraud taking place.
Regarding January 6th, YOU NEVER EXPLAIN: If Trump signed a presidential order and arranged for up to 20,000 national guard troops to be guarding Washington Square to prevent any violence on Jan 6 2021, how is Trump allegedly responsible for the small amount of rioting on that day in and around the Capitol building. Trump didn't want or stoke an "insurrection". Quite the contrary, HE ARRANGED TO PREVENT rioting. Why is it not Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, and DC mayor Muriel Bowser who are held responsible for the violence, WHO PREVENTED those 20,000 troops from ever being deployed, THAT TRUMP ORDERED?
Liz Cheney is no hero, she is a self-serving uni-party establishment propagandist, who propped up a narrative in her January 6th House committee, that evaded the facts I just laid out, to prop up a lying Democrat propaganda narrative. And both Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger (Democrat puppets posing in "R" hats) were overwhelmingly ejected from office by their ACTUAL Republican constituents for the deceitful narrative they tried to create. And because the January 6th committee's narrative is so clearly false THE DEMOCRAT LEADERSHIP THEMSELVES SHREDDED THE "January 6th Committee" FILES, TO PREVENT THEIR FALSE EVIDENCE FROM BEING EXPOSED. https://www.foxnews.com/politics/j6...pitol-hill-security-failures-gop-charges
There it is, the proof Democrats and these fake Republicans were lying. If you had any interest in seeing the truth.
And if then-V P Mike Pence, as president of the elector-vote joint session on January 6 2021 had done his job, he would have noted the irregularities in the 2020 election, NOT approved the elector votes, and Pence would have instead sent the electors back to their respective 50 states to investigate election fraud. After that, Pence could have approved the elector votes at a later date, if no fraud could be proven, but at least he would have allayed the legitimate concerns of a majority of Republican legislators in the room, and the legitimate conccerns of at least 74.3 million Republican voters nationwide. But no, Instead Pence just rubber-stamped a visibly corrupt (or at best clearly questionable) election, and handed over the country to Joe Biden and the Democrat-Bolsheviks, who have done more damage to the country than any president in history over the last 3 years. Without investigation before approving the elector vote, over 50% of voters will never accept this as a legitimate election. Not just me, but millions, Republican, Democrat, and independent. https://www.breitbart.com/politics/...cans-say-election-was-not-free-and-fair/ Pence could have prevented that. He didn't.
"Heroes like Pence and Cheney" are NOT heroes. They are Judases, who sold out the country, for their own political gain, trying to shove Trump down into the mud, so they could step over his political corpse and take over the Republican party. It didn't work.
And almost 3 years later, further evidence of election tampering and fraud has become more evident. The wide perception that the 2020 election was rigged HAS INCREASED, not decreased. And even among Democrats, if not for the social media censorship of the Hunter Biden laptop story in Oct-Nov 2020, about 15 percent OF DEMOCRATS say would NOT have voted or Biden in 2020, and Trump would have won.
And further evidence of Democrat election tampering was exposed by the "Twitter Files". Democrat former FBI and CIA agents, who had moved on to high legal positions at Twitter, Facebook, Google and other social media giants, worked to corruptly censor information about Biden, falsely banning information about the Hunter Biden laptop as "Russian disinformation" to prevent Biden from losing, that THEY KNEW was not disinformation, that THEY KNEW was true and accurate information. And used their power to deprive voters of that information.
I don't know what your "basic principles" are, but they seem pretty far removed from ethics and the facts.
Your "principles" seem to be about the Democrat-Bolsheviks winning elections by any means and at all costs, and in revisionism portraying these deceptions and strong-arm tactics as "heroic". And you seem perfectly okay with silencing Republicans, weaponizing IRS, FBI, DOJ and CIA against their opposition, imprisoning Republicans on false charges, and using violence and intimidation against Republicans. Which again, are precisely the tactics of the Bolshevik party in Soviet Russia, the Maoists in China, and communist regimes in Cuba, Nicaragua and Venezuela. You seem totally on board with that.
Those are your "heroes", the liars who would do that. And as I've detailed in multiple other topics, the inner circle around the Clintons and the Obamas worship these communist radical governments, so it is no surprise they use the same tactics as their communist role models, when they themselves rise to positions of power. You are cheering on the people trying to turn our constitutional republic into a one-party authoritarian marxist state. And you seem utterly immune to the facts that this is occurring, as you cheer on the marxists as if they were defending democracy, instead of doing the opposite as they truly are.
I think baring false witness is wrong WB. Cheney and Pence are heroes to me because even though they are solid conservatives they didn’t toss their oaths out the door to help keep their corrupt leader in power despite losing an election. And they continue to do that even though the political cost was certainly going to put them on the outs with those who worship a corrupt political figure above all else. Trump was legally safe asking for recounts ( all showing Biden won btw). He even has the right to lie about it. That isn’t what he’s being indicted for though. He conspired to stay in office through other means despite losing the election. Like trying to get the DOJ to just call the election corrupt and let the republicans to take it from there. “There” being trying to get the election decided by gop controlled legislatures ignoring their certified election results and keeping their lying loser in office.
... if then-V P Mike Pence, as president of the elector-vote joint session on January 6 2021 had done his job, he would have noted the irregularities in the 2020 election, NOT approved the elector votes, and Pence would have instead sent the electors back to their respective 50 states to investigate election fraud. After that, Pence could have approved the elector votes at a later date, if no fraud could be proven, but at least he would have allayed the legitimate concerns of a majority of Republican legislators in the room, and the legitimate concerns of at least 74.3 million Republican voters nationwide. But no, Instead Pence just rubber-stamped a visibly corrupt (or at best clearly questionable) election, and handed over the country to Joe Biden and the Democrat-Bolsheviks, who have done more damage to the country than any president in history over the last 3 years. Without investigation before approving the elector vote, over 50% of voters will never accept this as a legitimate election. Not just me, but millions, Republican, Democrat, and independent. https://www.breitbart.com/politics/...cans-say-election-was-not-free-and-fair/ Pence could have prevented that. He didn't.
"Heroes like Pence and Cheney" are NOT heroes. They are Judases, who sold out the country, for their own political gain, trying to shove Trump down into the mud, so they could step over his political corpse and take over the Republican party. It didn't work.
And almost 3 years later, further evidence of election tampering and fraud has become more evident. The wide perception that the 2020 election was rigged HAS INCREASED, not decreased. And even among Democrats, if not for the social media censorship of the Hunter Biden laptop story in Oct-Nov 2020, about 15 percent OF DEMOCRATS say they would NOT have voted for Biden in 2020, and Trump would have won.
And further evidence of Democrat election tampering was exposed by the "Twitter Files". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twitter_Files Democrat former FBI and CIA agents, who had moved on to high legal positions at Twitter, Facebook, Google and other social media giants, worked to corruptly censor information about Biden, falsely banning information about the Hunter Biden laptop as "Russian disinformation" to prevent Biden from losing, that THEY KNEW was not disinformation, that THEY KNEW was true and accurate information. And used their power to deprive voters of that information.
I don't know what your "basic principles" are, but they seem pretty far removed from ethics and the facts.
Your "principles" seem to be about the Democrat-Bolsheviks winning elections by any means and at all costs, and in revisionism portraying these deceptions and strong-arm tactics as "heroic". And you seem perfectly okay with silencing Republicans, weaponizing IRS, FBI, DOJ and CIA against their Republican opposition, imprisoning Republicans on false charges, and using violence and intimidation against Republicans. You seem totally on board with that.
Those are your "heroes", the liars who would do that. And as I've detailed in multiple other topics, the people in the inner circles around the Clintons and the Obamas worship these communist radical governments, so it is no surprise they use the same tactics as their communist role models, when they themselves rise to positions of power. You are cheering on the people trying to turn our constitutional republic into a one-party authoritarian Marxist state. And you seem utterly immune to the facts that this is occurring, as you cheer on the Marxists as if they were defending democracy, instead of doing the opposite, as they truly are.
Trump is the opposite of a "corrupt leader", he is trying to route out the corruption that has infested the uni-party corrupt elite for decades. That is why the Democrat-Bolsheviks are fighting Trump with everything they've got to stop him. If you were not brainwashed with a twisted leftist spin of the facts, you would see that. No one has ever fought harder and more courageously, against a corrupt system trying to get him, than Trump.
You don't even question the attempts to go after Trump's attorneys, the violations against his constitutional right to counsel. Prosecuting lawyers, just for lawfully defending their client !
You don't question their going after an impeccable lawyer like Giuliani, spying on him, illegally tapping into his private ATTORNEY-CLIENT communications, disbarring him as a lawyer? That is Soviet-level invasion of privacy, Soviet-level intimidation and abuse of power. Okay, you don't like Trump, but he has constitutional rights to attorney-client privelege and representation. But your side shreds the Constitution. And you have no problem with that. Let alone the 1,000 or so January 6th defendents, 90% of whom were imprisoned for being duped by undercover FBI agents disguised as Trump supporters, who moved barricades, sso they didn'te even know they had walked into a restricted area. "Criminal trespass" at most, and yet they are kept in unsanitary conditions and treated worse than Al Qaida prisoners are at Guantanamo.
Has it ever occurred to you for a second that YOUR side is evil, and has Marxist-authoritarian intent, and Trump and his supporters have done nothing wrong? Or are you so indoctrinated that all you care about is that the Democrat-Bolsheviks win, at all cost?
Trump has played by the rules, the (Democrat-controlled) FBI and DOJ have done multiple raids on his homes and Mar A Lago, in desperate search of ANYTHING they could prosecute him on, and Trump is so guilty that they found... nothing. NOTHING. So these multiple prosecutions are just Democrats' last attempt to damage and stop Trump's 2024 campaign. And in doing so, Democrats are proving THEY are the ones who are criminal, THEY are the ones who are corrupt, THEY are the ones who are un-Constitutional and un-American. And like a good Bolshevik, you just mindlessly repeat their lying talking points.
I love that the bullshit that you know is bullshit isn’t going to play in a court of law. I agree about what you’re saying about having a right to a lawyer in general but even lawyers have to follow some laws. A lawyer doesn’t get to commit crimes for their client like Giuliani has done for Trump. I read and posted a bit of an article in the Georgia indictment that involved Giuliani lying about election fraud. Trump and he then singled out a woman by name with the accusation. They then sent people to try to coerce her and threaten her with jail time. Just one of many acts that are part of that indictment.
I love that the bullshit that you know is bullshit isn’t going to play in a court of law. I agree about what you’re saying about having a right to a lawyer in general but even lawyers have to follow some laws. A lawyer doesn’t get to commit crimes for their client like Giuliani has done for Trump. I read and posted a bit of an article in the Georgia indictment that involved Giuliani lying about election fraud. Trump and he then singled out a woman by name with the accusation. They then sent people to try to coerce her and threaten her with jail time. Just one of many acts that are part of that indictment.
This multiple-cases-at-once persecution of Trump is unprecedented. There is absolutely no getting around Trump's right to counsel, and to private attorney-client priveleged communication. That's in the Bill of Rights, iron-clad, non-negotiable. Unless you are going to abolish the Constitutional republic, and turn us into an authoritarian Marxist state. Which is what Democrats are doing.
It is infuriating that you can even accuse Giuliani of being a criminal, let alone without evidence, just made-up viciously slanderous allegations. Giuliani was among the most accomplished U.S. attorneys for decades, several other U.S. attorneys interviewed have called him the single best U.S. attorney. Giuliani went after mafia bosses and broke up and imprisoned crime families, under constant threats of him and his family being killed. He then went on to be Mayor of New York City, and cleaned up crime in a way no one thought was even possible. And needless to say, the exceptional job Giuliani did after Sept 11 2001 as mayor.
To allege that Giuliani is a criminal, JUST FOR BEING TRUMP'S ATTORNEY, is obscene. Based on nothing. He went to Ukraine and investigated the evidence against the Bidens, often speaking to people like Shokin, and Burisma executives, who feared being murdered for what they knew and could prove. It goes without saying that if THEY were at risk of being murdered, Giuliani was at risk too, for bringing forward the evidence against the Bidens, and against the Ukranian, Russian and Chinese governments.
SPECIFICALLY quote to me where Giuliani "lied about election fraud". SPECIFICALLY., the exact quote. That is a vicious allegation, with nothing to back it up. Giuliani is not the attorney for an Al Qaida prisoner at Guantanamo Bay, carrying orders from his client to subordinates, to order people killed. But you would think that, to see the way Democrats and the liberal media are portraying him.
Giuliani's only crime is defending Trump and making the case with THE EVIDENCE for election fraud. And for that, Guiliani and all of Trump's lawyers are targets to be destroyed by the Democrat-Bolsheviks, abusing their power to do so. There's even a special group of lawyers that try to criminally prosecute and disbar ANY lawyers who defend Trump. https://www.influencewatch.org/organization/65-project/ That's not "justice", that's just pure harassment and intimidation, and vindictiveness toward people you disagree with politically, to intimdate them into silence and destroy them, just for dissenting. i.e., Democrat-Bolshevism.
They did the same not just to Giuliani, but to ALL of Trump's lawyers. They did the same to Rep. Elise Stefanik (R-NY), for even defending Trump, for investigating the evidence of election fraud. They fired her from a prestigious position teaching part time at Harvard Law school, and tried to have her disbarred as a lawyer. And they did attempted to do the same to Alan Dershowitz, but were not successful at getting him fired or disbarred. But they sure as hell tried, and that personal destruction and intimidation deters others from defending Trump and other Republicans. Democrat-Bolshevism, pure and simple.
You are defending tyranny, not justice. This is so obviously a series of indictments that have been brewing for over 2 years, and these prosecutors could have dropped the hammer at any time on each. But then all 4 went down... RIGHT BEFORE the Republican primaries ?!? CLEAR abuse of federal power, CLEAR election tampering. CLEAR Democrat-Bolshevism.
Not one of these cases presents a clear crime, every one of them is "bootstrapping", playing fast and loose with the law, splicing things together that are never done in that way in a legal and ethical prosecution. It is fantasyland. Get Trump, stop him, by whatever contrived means and abuse of power. And to ram a deceitful lawsuit through, they cherry-picked fanatically Democrat judges, fanatically Democrat voting districts with fanatically Democrat potential jurors. Just like in the Flynn case, in the Roger Stone case, in the Paul Manafort case, on and on. That is the ONLY way they could make these cases, that are designed to smear Republicans and benefit Democrat politically.
I've seen several U.S. attorneys interviewed who said they would never do this in all their decades of prosecution, because any U.S. attorney case has to avoid EVEN THE APPEARANCE of bias or political motivation. That in cases where multiple districts could pursue charges against a defendant, they would communicate and let one jurisdiction prosecute the person, and hold the other jurisdiction cases in reserve, if that conviction was not successful. What is being done to Donald Trump, four, possibly even later five, cases tried simultaneously, indicted simultaneously during an election primary no less, when the accused has limited time to prepare for EVEN ONE case... this has NEVER BEEN DONE BEFORE, let alone with such obvious bias and political motive for the indictments. Not to Al Capone. Not to Sam Giancana. Not to John Gotti.
NO ONE has been prosecuted like this, ever before. And on the most frivolous contrived "novel" charges.
There is no way you can defend this barrage against Trump, Giuliani and others. Everything Guiliani said three years ago, investigating the facts for himself in Ukraine (because the FBI were Democrat-Bolsheviks hiding the evidence given to them by the Ukranians) and Giuliani was vilified for by the Democrat leadership and the media as conspiracy theory, about Viktor Shokin's statements, about wire transfers and Suspicious Activity Reports (SARs) about the Hunter Biden laptop e-mail communications, about Burisma executives.... but over those 3 years it has all been confirmed as absolutely true.
But Giuliani is a criminal. Right. Only in the eyes of a Bolshevik, reading the party's official talking points.
Though Giuliani is not disputing that the statements were false, he does not concede that they caused any damage to Freeman or Moss. That distinction is important because plaintiffs in a defamation case must prove not only that a statement made about them was false but that it also resulted in actual damage.
Moss told the U.S. House committee investigating the Capitol riot that her life was shattered by the false accusations. She said she received hateful and racist messages, some “wishing death upon me. Telling me that I’ll be in jail with my mother. And saying things like, ‘Be glad it’s 2020 and not 1920.’”
Freeman said in her testimony: “There is nowhere I feel safe.”
Giuliani’s statement was attached to a filing arguing that he did not fail to produce evidence in the case and should not be sanctioned as Freeman and Moss had requested.
“While Giuliani does not admit to Plaintiffs’ allegations, he — for purposes of this litigation only — does not contest the factual allegations,” the filing said.
Giuliani political adviser Ted Goodman said in an email Wednesday that the filing was made “in order to move on to the portion of the case that will permit a motion to dismiss.”
Note the bolded statements.
This seems very legalistic, as if in this context, Giuliani is "not disputing the statements are false" in a legalistic way "for purposes of litigation only", "in order to move on to the portion of the case that will permit a motion to dismiss."
As a layman and not a lawyer, it sounds to me like he cannot definitively prove these two voting center women were rigging votes as Giuliani accused. (Even though there are tens of millions of us who all saw the camera footage, and it sure as hell looks like vote tampering. But maybe since Giuliani cannot PROVE that the video evidence clearly shows vote tampering, Giuliani is saying it was wrong to allege it was tampering without more evidence, which legally equates to Giuliani making a false statement, that he is withdrawing without severe penalty by the court THAT PORTION of what he alleged, not that he lied, but that he without enough proof made a false statement, and stated that to the court so the dispute about that portion could be resolved "for purposes of litigation only", and "in order to move on to the portion of the case that will permit a motion to dismiss" so Giuliani could resolve that portion that was preoccuppying the court, and move on with the part of the case he had evidence to prove. And that the liberal media and Democrat leadership spin as "Giuliani LIED".
Despite the judge manufacturing a charge of false statements by Giuliani, for asserting in court the opinion argument that he (and Trump) firmly believe the election was rigged (as do I and as do at least 74.3 million others, as well as millions of other independents (in polls 51%) and Democrats (in polls 30%).
A plea made to circumnavigate what the (Democrat) judge refused to accept as Giuliani and Trump's first amendment opinion, the judge made Giuliani plead to making a false statement, to get past it and continue with the major thrust of Giuliani's case at trial.
I'm not a lawyer, but clearly the language shows Giuliani did this for convoluted legalistic reasons demanded by the judge, not because Giuliani is guilty of anything.
It’s not hard to understand WB. Lying under oath is perjury for starters. So Rudy conceded that he made false statements. A lot of what you claim as evidence has been something Rudy avoids when under oath I’ve noticed. That’s been a consistent pattern with him and Trump.
It’s not hard to understand WB. Lying under oath is perjury for starters. So Rudy conceded that he made false statements. A lot of what you claim as evidence has been something Rudy avoids when under oath I’ve noticed. That’s been a consistent pattern with him and Trump.
You want evidence of lying under oath? Look at Joe Biden, Hunter Biden, and those who are covering up for them.
I just showed the EXACT language that was used in the article, and showed that Giuliani was never accused of "LYING" in court. Just that Giuliani's statements are false, or more precisely unprovable, despite that I and tens of millions of others, including 51% of independents, and 30% of Democrats, know 2020 was a rigged election. The evidence of that is not permitted by the bias of this judge. By the paramaters of what the judge permitted or excluded from the trial, Giuliani was not permitted to say what is true but not provable because of what the judge does and does not allow to be presented at trial.
Giuliani was forced to concede to these terms, in order to move away from this diversionary issue, and continue with the thrust of his case at trial. This is consistently how Republicans are handled in these "lawfare" cases: overcharged, rigged judges, rigged juries, rigged verdicts, and the judge excludes exculpatory evidence, and prosecutors don't disclose exculpatory evidence. And the rigged verdict is used as a political weapon to smear the entire Republican party, especially on Trump and his inner circle.
But Giuliani is someone who for decades has been described by others in the legal profession as one of the best, if not THE best U.S. attorney of the last 50 years. Giuliani was an exceptional mayor, and cleaned up New York City in a way no one imagined it could be of crime and murders. Giuliani risked his life for years prosecuting the worst organized crime families. And it is absurd to accuse Giuliani of being a corrupt figure, this is just corrupt Democrats slandering and persecuting him, just showing how they can destroy ANYONE. Giuliani's career is spotless.
Instead of proving his and Trump’s accusations in court he conceded that they were false statements. That’s the same thing as lying to me and it surely doesn’t mean “can’t prove “. That is just you trying to put a pretty bow on a pile of horse shit. Rudy and Trump have been playing this game all the time with people like yourself enabling them. It’s pretty pathetic that you’re this partisan.
Instead of proving his and Trump’s accusations in court he conceded that they were false statements. That’s the same thing as lying to me and it surely doesn’t mean “can’t prove “. That is just you trying to put a pretty bow on a pile of horse shit. Rudy and Trump have been playing this game all the time with people like yourself enabling them. It’s pretty pathetic that you’re this partisan.
How many times do you want me to repeat the same arguments? Only the Democrat leadership and the liberal media are calling Giuliani's statement about these 2 vote counting women "lies".
But clearly, the SECURITY TAPE VIDEO EVIDENCE shows these two black vote-counters rigging votes, regardless of what the judge partisanly excludes as evidence, to triy and box Giuliani in with. It was a rigged election, a majority of Republicans see it as a rigged election, 51% of independents see it as a rigged election, and even 30% of Democrats see it as a rigged election.
One judge arbitrarily re-writing the rules of evidence doesn't change that.
I see Giuliani interviewed almost daily, and I don't even see him asked about this, not even to spin it in his favor, that's how insignificant it is.
All that evidence that has done dick in court? Color me unimpressed.
Of the cases ended, again, it's been about 50 /50 in Trump's favor. And many cases still pending. Certainly in the polls and politically, Trump is way out ahead.
No case he's won has done anything to question the validity of 2020. Try and fail harder. He lost legitimately to a basement dwelling dementia patient. He'll be the same age as sleepy was if he somehow wins in 2024. Why should I ignore his age while everyone is going on about how old Joe, Mitch, and others are? Seems like something the cult wants to ignore as they talk about sleepy Joe.
As for the polls, you'll just call them propaganda if or when they flip.
No case he's won has done anything to question the validity of 2020. Try and fail harder. He lost legitimately to a basement dwelling dementia patient. He'll be the same age as sleepy was if he somehow wins in 2024. Why should I ignore his age while everyone is going on about how old Joe, Mitch, and others are? Seems like something the cult wants to ignore as they talk about sleepy Joe.
As for the polls, you'll just call them propaganda if or when they flip.
AGAIN: Trump was winning by large margins until 3AM election night, when the {Democrat] election center supervisors in Atlanta, Detroit, Minneapolis, Maricopa County and Philadelphia, said they were shutting down vote counting for the night, and sent all Republican vote observers home. Then they stayed with only Democrats present and counted votes all night, and by the oddest coincidence, there was a huge spike in the ratio of votes for Biden at exactly that time. They lied about a water main break in the Atlanta voting center, to send home Republican vote observers there. Security camera video footage shows Democrat vote counters rigging the votes. In Detroit, security camera video showed a U-Haul truck pulling up at 4AM filled with bags of illegal votes with no chain of custody. Postal employees, at risk of their jobs (which they eventually lost) testified to organized ballot fraud and illegally backdating ballots by their managers, that they were forced to participate in. HUNDREDS of cmpaaign volunteers, salaried campaign workers, Dominion contract employees and others all gave sworn statements to the election fraufd they witnessed. And virtually all of them were harassed and intimidated, some by the FBI, and ultimately, fired. If there is no election fraud, why not allow it to be investigated and verified or disproven? Why all the intimidation from even asking or investigating, why the silencing, if there is nothing to hide? ONE REASON: because it WAS election fraud.
And in many places such as Maricopa in Arizona, the ballots that are supposed to be kept on file for such a re-count, were mysteriously shredded immediately. Intimidation of even Alan Dershowitz, Rudy Giuliani, Jenna Ellis and Trump's other lawyers, attempting to have them disbarred or imprisoned, just for representing Trump, in a LEGAL election challenge that is constitutional by both federal and state law. Again, why the silencing, why the intimidation, for simply issuing a legal challenge ?
Republican officials and judges who wanted to prosecute this voter fraud were intimidated and threatened with facing criminal charges if they pressed election challenges, so they backed down. If even people like Alan Dershowitz, Jenna Ellis, Rudy Giuliani, and even sitting Rep. Elis Stefanik (the third most powerful Republican in the House) were facing threats and legal challenges, that level of Democrat-Bolshevism and intimidation CLEARLY stifled any legitimate legal challenge of the rigged election. And is testament to the fact it was rigged and covered up. FACT.
Regarding polls, We've been over this many times, there is liberal bias to the polls, so when a poll favors Trump or Republicans, that is significant and undeniable public support for the Republicans, and Democrat-leaning pollsters weren't able to hide support for Republicans in how they phrased the poll.
Regarding Trump's age, there are people who are losing it mentally at 60 or 65, and others (such as Trump) who remain sharp and energetic into their late 70's and beyond. I recall also a Mother's Day ad that John McCain did with his mom during the 2008 campaign, showing that his genetics indicated he would remain sharp well into his 90's and into a potential presidency as well.
Again...they have proven all of dick in court and judges have been pretty merciless in cutting through their arguments. Pound sand harder.
Refusing to look at the evidence is not the same thing as finding it false. And most of the judges in question were appointed by Clinton or Obama, or are otherwise corrupt deep staters.
No greater evidence of their corruption and bias is evident than in the judges in the Michael Flynn case, in the Roger Stone case, in the Paul Manafort case, among others. And especially in the judge-shopping and kangaroo courts in the four current Donald Trump indictments. No rational objective person could call any of these fair trials.
You absolutely refuse to see the obvious. Cultist.
Lin Wood is witness in Trump Georgia election prosecution, DA Fani Willis says “ Lin Wood, an attorney and vocal supporter of former President Donald Trump, is a witness for the Atlanta district attorney in her prosecution of Trump and his allies over their efforts to reverse his 2020 election loss in Georgia, a new court filing reveals.”
Originally Posted by Wonder Boy(MADE UP FAKE QUOTE BY Iggy, YET AGAIN, BECAUSE THAT'S ALL YOU'VE GOT)
I trust news sources that point out the times sources I don't like were wrong and trust them far too much because of that.
Your strategy for consuming news is dumb and you should feel shame.
My strategy for watching news is to actually listen to more news that I don't agree with, but that has a liberal bias I can see right through, because I watch enough news sources that I can see which sources are lying to me.
As I've said many times, from 1981-2008, my primary news source was the PBS News Hour, until watching them, I could see they and CNN (beginning in 2008) were just ignoring and not reporting stories that Fox News was fully covering that negatively impacted Obama and Democrats (specifically, William Ayers and his connections to Barack Obama, Obama's radical ties since high school to multiple far-left radicals, Obama and marxist/Stalinist Frank Marshall Davis, Obama at ACORN teaching Saul Alinsky's "Rules for Radicals" to many classes of "community organizers" the euphemistic term for Marxist street agitators, the ACORN corruption story broken by James O'Keefe and Hannah Giles, in what became Project Veritas; the Shirley Sherrod story where she as a federal Farm Bureau official boasted on video in front of an NAACP group about refusing loans to white farmers and only giving them to black farmers)
I began to perceive a liberal media bias, PRECISELY BECAUSE THERE IS a liberal bias, that became glaringly obvious in 2008, in the zealotry of print and broadcast news reporters in getting Obama elected. And that unashamed bias has only become more shamelessly clear every year since. As pointed out in books by Bernard Goldberg, Tim Groseclose, Sharyl Attkisson, Ron Kessler, John Stossel, Lara Logan, Glenn Greenwald, John Solomon, and many others. All highly paid award-winning former mainstream journalists, who have left their positions in disgust, because of the leftist fanatical bias and abandonment of journalistic ethics they previously worked under for decades, THAT NO LONGER EXIST at those same networks.
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