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John Byrne v Wikipedia. Poor John Byrne. If you listen to him, he’s the most misunderstood person in comics. Of course, if you listen to him, he’s reasonable and never gets into snitty arguments and fights with anyone. The latest target of his misguided ire is his entry on Wikipedia. Originally an informative retrospective of his entire career, detailing not only the work he’s done throughout the years, but the documented fan and industry response to his various projects, Byrne discovered it the other week and immediately set about to “correct” things. Here’s the problem. Byrne didn’t just want to go through to clarify points or streamline the entry - he wanted to dismantle the entire page. He deleted everything except for the opening biographical paragraph and the bibliography. He deleted every bit of information regarding his career stages, his interactions with fans, pros, etc., claiming that the entire entry was fraught with inaccuracies and lies. Thing is, they weren’t. Sure, some of the entries contained opinions, but of aa personal nature - the opinions were those thaat have been well documented online and off, ie: Byrne’s self-inked artwork isn’t as well received as when Austin’s inking him. People may disagree, but over the years, this has been an opinion pretty strongly held by a good proportion of fandom. The Wiki entry mentioned this as being one opinion of his work, without presenting it as a stone cold fact. In any well researched biography, you’ll read accounts of the person, both positive and negative. So discussing, for example, Byrne’s relationship with Jim Shooter as it was reported in the press and through interviews during and after the time they worked together, is fair game. If Byrne doesn’t like how he comes off when people relate anecdotes or revisit his old interviews and message board postings, perhaps he should just become more conscious of what he’s saying or typing. Unfortunately, Byrne will have none of this. In their anger and inability to understand how something like Wikipedia is a good thing, he and the fans on his messageboard went off on the entire site. Denouncing the entire concept of the Wikipedia project as something prone to lies, slander and outright poor information, they managed to raise such a stink that the head of the Wiki project himself stepped in and edited Byrne’s entry down to what Byrne wants. Think about that for a minute - the head of the Wikipedia project, a project consisting of thousands and thousands of entries which are self-policing and oftentimes are more accurate than even the printed Encyclopedia Brittanica, had to take time out of his day to edit the entry of a chronically bitter and angry comic book artist. It’s a horrible precedent, allowing the subject of an entry determine what can and cannot be written about them. It would be one thing if the slanderous and innaccurate entries from one particularly psychotic fan were allowed to go through and remain in place, but the entire Wikipedia project has shown that self-policing is it’s greatest strength. If Byrne and Co. had actually followed the rules about correcting and modifying the entry, things would have worked out just fine and Wiki users wouldn’t have such a threadbare and useless entry as the result. If you want to compare the old entry versus the one that Byrne edited it down to and then forced through by complaining to the head of Wikipedia directly, click here. I really don’t know if there’s a time limit on Wiki caching these, so enjoy it while you can.
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What a legacy this man shall leave when he dies.
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I love wikipedia.
I saw Byrne's page there about a month back and it was fair in his criticisms (which have come up from more than just the writers).
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I can just imagine John rising from the dead midway through his own funeral to correct his eulogizer.
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Byrne retcons self. Film at 11.
John Byrne: Chapter One
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 !!! Byrne grows more intelligent each day.... Edited by John Byrne (09/25/05 12:40 PM)
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god I really really hate that man. Not because I ever really cared about him because I never felt an appreciation for his "art", but because he's a has-been dick head who's surrounded by fans begging to suck his withered old balls.
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John Byrne has been Byrned!
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I am currently in the process of rewriting the all of Wikipedias entries.
I am also currently looking to cast Rob Kamphausen as North Star.
What do you mean "Their origin was fine as it was"?
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John,why do you look like British serial killer Dr.Harold Shipman?
Is that some kinda retcon?
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I am currently in the process of rewriting the all of Wikipedias entries.
I am also currently looking to cast Rob Kamphausen as North Star.
You're a fat ugly cunt!
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I think that Wikipedia is a sick sick fetish. People should not look at children like that.
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it's such a shame. I liked the old byrne page it was interesting. and you didn't walk away thinking he was an asshole, you walked away with an even handed accounts of all of his controversy.
now its like this stripped down "byrne is great" page that has ruined any lingering respect i had for him.
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looking at other comic writers I found this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_W._MackI don't think I've ever read his work, but the last line on the profile is funny.
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I can just imagine John rising from the dead midway through his own funeral to correct his eulogizer.
I'm sure John has mandated in his will that his fans from his message board should be allowed at least an hour to rebuttal any eulogy on his behalf.
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You people are SO imorant, it is pronounced eugoogley.
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I love John Byrne.
What do you mean "Their origin was fine as it was"?
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John Byrne makes me feel like a real woman.
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John Byrne makes me feel like a real woman.
That's it. I'm calling shenanigans. Even Uschi is unsure of her gender!
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I wish I could be more like John Byrne.
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John Byrne saved my life.
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John Byrne is helping me ungay myself.
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John Byrne saved my life.
Another lie. R3x is even aware that his existance is pointless.
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John Byrne makes us Canadians look good.
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John Byrne is helping me ungay myself.
Yet another lie! In order to be "un-gayed," I must first be gay!
"Ah good. Now I'm on the internet clearly saying I like tranny cleavage. This shouldn't get me harassed at all." -- Lothar of the Hill People
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John Byrne is a great artist. I want to bear his children.
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I am German!
Touch my small penis with your tongue boys.
Not Edited by John Byrne (09/25/05 12:40 PM)
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I wrote a song about John Byrne.
It was called "John Byrne,you make my ass yearn"
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John Byrne is the god of fuck!
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Touch me John Byrne,touch me you naughty boy.
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John Byrne is helping me ungay myself.
I cant stop being gay,sorry John Byrne,I have let you down!
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