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she likely will, but Joe The Plumber doesn't get the privacy Obama's campaign ripped from him back. Obama's campaign didn't do anything to this guy. Why are you jumping to such extreme conclusions? And she should be fired, no doubt. She was wrong to do what she did... Promod's throwing her under the bus. Obama would be proud. Jeezus you've gone around the bend, G-Man. You really have. If we disagree (which is 99% of the time) you freak out, and rant, and make up nicknames for me, and try to find ways to personally insult me...whatever. But, if we happen to agree on anything, you still do your best to try and insult or belittle me. Do I threaten you that much? Is your life that miserable? Are you that insecure? 
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calm down man, it's just a message board.
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I like the way Promod's accusing me of "freaking out" and "ranting" while he posts the following: Jeezus you've gone around the bend, G-Man. You really have. If we disagree (which is 99% of the time) you freak out, and rant, and make up nicknames for me, and try to find ways to personally insult me...whatever. But, if we happen to agree on anything, you still do your best to try and insult or belittle me. Do I threaten you that much? Is your life that miserable? Are you that insecure? Not to mention this one post: You're such a drama queen. Stop playing stupid. You know exactly what I'm talking about. All your silly little childish propaganda (he's a terrorist, he's a Muslim, he's a Socialist, etc., etc)... You can almost hear the spittle hitting the monitor.
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the Obamamerical must not have went well....
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Maybe we should cut Promod some slack. His mentor hasn't posted here today. He's probably having trouble keeping up without whomod feeding him video clips and blog posts.
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the polls are getting close again and whomod is scared. promod too.
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she likely will, but Joe The Plumber doesn't get the privacy Obama's campaign ripped from him back. Obama's campaign didn't do anything to this guy. Why are you jumping to such extreme conclusions? And she should be fired, no doubt. She was wrong to do what she did... Promod's throwing her under the bus. Obama would be proud. Jeezus you've gone around the bend, G-Man. You really have. If we disagree (which is 99% of the time) you freak out, and rant, and make up nicknames for me, and try to find ways to personally insult me...whatever. But, if we happen to agree on anything, you still do your best to try and insult or belittle me. Do I threaten you that much? Is your life that miserable? Are you that insecure? A while back when G-man was using the portal page to get at me you said something about how he's got to go overboard & atack on a personal level if he feels he's cornered. Can't remember your post exactly but I think it probably applys here.
Fair play!
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calm down man, it's just a message board. I like the way Promod's accusing me of "freaking out" and "ranting" while he posts the following: Jeezus you've gone around the bend, G-Man. You really have. If we disagree (which is 99% of the time) you freak out, and rant, and make up nicknames for me, and try to find ways to personally insult me...whatever. But, if we happen to agree on anything, you still do your best to try and insult or belittle me. Do I threaten you that much? Is your life that miserable? Are you that insecure? Not to mention this one post: You're such a drama queen. Stop playing stupid. You know exactly what I'm talking about. All your silly little childish propaganda (he's a terrorist, he's a Muslim, he's a Socialist, etc., etc)... You can almost hear the spittle hitting the monitor. the Obamamerical must not have went well.... Maybe we should cut Promod some slack. His mentor hasn't posted here today. He's probably having trouble keeping up without whomod feeding him video clips and blog posts. the polls are getting close again and whomod is scared. promod too. Five posts to my one? I own each of you. Thank you for proving it. 
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so you're voting for McCain!
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081030/ap_on_el_ge/fact_check_obama_ad WASHINGTON – Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama was less than upfront in his half-hour commercial Wednesday night about the costs of his programs and the crushing budget pressures he would face in office.
Obama's assertion that "I've offered spending cuts above and beyond" the expense of his promises is accepted only by his partisans. His vow to save money by "eliminating programs that don't work" masks his failure throughout the campaign to specify what those programs are — beyond the withdrawal of troops from Iraq.
A sampling of what voters heard in the ad, and what he didn't tell them:
THE SPIN: "That's why my health care plan includes improving information technology, requires coverage for preventive care and pre-existing conditions and lowers health care costs for the typical family by $2,500 a year."
THE FACTS: His plan does not lower premiums by $2,500, or any set amount. Obama hopes that by spending $50 billion over five years on electronic medical records and by improving access to proven disease management programs, among other steps, consumers will end up saving money. He uses an optimistic analysis to suggest cost reductions in national health care spending could amount to the equivalent of $2,500 for a family of four. Many economists are skeptical those savings can be achieved, but even if they are, it's not a certainty that every dollar would be passed on to consumers in the form of lower premiums.
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THE SPIN: "I also believe every American has a right to affordable health care."
THE FACTS: That belief should not be confused with a guarantee of health coverage for all. He makes no such promise. Obama hinted as much in the ad when he said about the problem of the uninsured: "I want to start doing something about it." He would mandate coverage for children but not adults. His program is aimed at making insurance more affordable by offering the choice of government-subsidized coverage similar to that in a plan for federal employees and other steps, including requiring larger employers to share costs of insuring workers.
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THE SPIN: "I've offered spending cuts above and beyond their cost."
THE FACTS: Independent analysts say both Obama and Republican John McCain would deepen the deficit. The nonpartisan Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget estimates Obama's policy proposals would add a net $428 billion to the deficit over four years — and that analysis accepts the savings he claims from spending cuts. The nonpartisan Tax Policy Center, whose other findings have been quoted approvingly by the Obama campaign, says: "Both John McCain and Barack Obama have proposed tax plans that would substantially increase the national debt over the next 10 years." The analysis goes on to say: "Neither candidate's plan would significantly increase economic growth unless offset by spending cuts or tax increases that the campaigns have not specified."
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THE SPIN: "Here's what I'll do. Cut taxes for every working family making less than $200,000 a year. Give businesses a tax credit for every new employee that they hire right here in the U.S. over the next two years and eliminate tax breaks for companies that ship jobs overseas. Help homeowners who are making a good faith effort to pay their mortgages, by freezing foreclosures for 90 days. And just like after 9-11, we'll provide low-cost loans to help small businesses pay their workers and keep their doors open. "
THE FACTS: His proposals — the tax cuts, the low-cost loans, the $15 billion a year he promises for alternative energy, and more — cost money, and the country could be facing a record $1 trillion deficit next year. Indeed, Obama recently acknowledged — although not in his commercial — that: "The next president will have to scale back his agenda and some of his proposals." If that is all the lies he told in a half hour, he is improving.....
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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article5042571.ece Barack Obama has lived one version of the American dream that has taken him to the steps of the White House. But a few miles from where the Democratic presidential candidate studied at Harvard, his Kenyan aunt and uncle, immigrants living in modest circumstances in Boston, have a contrasting American story.
Zeituni Onyango, the aunt so affectionately described in Obama's best-selling memoir "Dreams fFrom My Father," lives in a disabled-access flat on a rundown public housing estate in South Boston.
A second relative believed to be the long-lost "Uncle Omar" described in the book was beaten by armed robbers with a "sawed-off rifle" while working in a corner shop in the Dorchester area of the city. He was later evicted from his one-bedroom apartment for failing to pay $2,324.20 in bills, according to the Boston Housing Court.
The press has repeatedly rehearsed Obama's extraordinary odyssey, but the other side of the family's American experience has only been revealed in parts. Just across town from where Obama made history as the first black president of the Harvard Law Review, some of his closest blood relatives have confronted the harshness of immigrant life in America.
In his book Obama writes that "Uncle Omar" had gone missing after moving to Boston in the 1960s a quarter-century before Obama first visited his family in Kenya. Aunt Zeituni is now also living in Boston, and recently made a $260 campaign contribution to her nephew's presidential bid from a work address in the city.
Speaking outside her home in Flaherty Way, South Boston, on Tuesday, Onyango, 56, confirmed she was the "Auntie Zeituni" in Obama's memoir. She declined to answer most other questions about her relationship with the presidential contender until after the November 4 election.
"I can't talk about it, I just pray for him, that's all," she said, adding: "After the 4th, I can talk to anyone." geez if he's willing to spend a few trillion of other peoples money, you'd think he could spend just a little of his millions on his poor aunt...
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If he treats his family like that I can only imagine what he is going to do to the country.
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Bill Clinton: Obama Got Lots of Help on Economic Crisis Response
Bill Clinton says at a rally that Barack Obama called a round of advisers during the height of the economic crisis and said, "tell me what ... to do."
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Barack Obama speaks with Bill Clinton at a rally in Kissimmee, Fla., Wednesday. (AP Photo)
Barack Obama cultivated the image of a cool and collected leader during the height of the economic crisis last month, when lawmakers on Capitol Hill scrambled to draft a workable bailout package after a meltdown on Wall Street.
And when John McCain suspended his campaign to dive head first into the fray, Obama's campaign accused the Republican of being "unsteady."
But to hear Bill Clinton tell it, the Democratic nominee didn't quite have a handle on the situation himself.
"I haven't cleared this with him and he may even be mad at me for saying this so close to the election, but I know what else he said to his economic advisers (during the crisis)," Clinton told the crowd at a Wednesday night rally with Obama in Florida. "He said, 'Tell me what the right thing to do is. What's the right thing for America? Don't tell me what's popular. You tell me what's right -- I'll figure out how to sell it.'"
Clinton said when the crisis broke, Obama called his own advisers as well as those of the former two-term president, Hillary Clinton, Warren Buffet and others.
"He called those people. You know why? Because he knew it was complicated and before he said anything he wanted to understand," Clinton said. "That's what a president does in a crisis."
The seeming praise may come off as a backhanded compliment, especially since Obama repeatedly accuses McCain of admitting he doesn't know much about the economy. McCain's campaign said Clinton's remark shows Obama was uncertain when Wall Street seemed to be on the verge of crumbling.
"Barack Obama had no idea what the right thing to do is or at least that's Bill Clinton's impression," McCain spokesman Michael Goldfarb said.
"It's disturbing that ... Barack Obama's response to this is 'Tell me what to do and I will sell it,'" Goldfarb added. "That's been Barack Obama's entire campaign -- is one big sales job."
During the height of negotiations in late September, McCain briefly suspended his campaign to work on the economic bailout package and even threatened to sit out the first presidential debate.
Obama teased him for it, and after a mid-week summit with President Bush, congressional leaders and the presidential candidates ended in disarray, his Democratic supporters criticized McCain for "injecting" presidential politics into the debate.
Before the inter-campaign sniping began, the two presidential nominees released a joint statement urging the nation to "rise above politics for the good of the country."
Goldfarb said he can't speculate on the content of the advice Obama solicited in late September but that, "The result was to sit back and do nothing."
Former Hillary Clinton adviser Maria Cardona said Clinton was genuinely trying to pay Obama a compliment Wednesday night, especially after so much was made in the press of the divisions between Obama and Clinton supporters.
"President Clinton was trying to make the point that their campaigns are actually talking to one another quite a bit," she told FOX News. "The point that President Clinton was trying to make is that Senator Obama understands this is a big issue, and he is surrounding himself with people who have that experience."
Bill Clinton has come out forcefully in favor of Obama ever since the Democratic National Convention in late August in Denver.
He declared Wednesday night that, "This man should be our president."
However, he sometimes has had a strange way of showing his support. Clinton has repeatedly praised McCain in interviews, and even described Sarah Palin at one point as an "effective candidate with a compelling story" who cannot be underestimated.
Clinton also said in Florida Wednesday night that Obama has proved himself by running a campaign that "involves so many people," adding: "He has executed this campaign in a way that is different from modern and forward thinking -- something no one else ever could have done. He can be the chief executor of good intentions as president."
It's not clear what he meant, since he pronounced the word 'executer.'
Asked about Clinton's intentions Wednesday, Goldfarb said: "I think ... he clearly chooses his language carefully."
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http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/10/conservative_group_to_run_anti.php Get ready for a deluge of Wright rantings.
The National Republican Trust PAC, which has been airing an ad attacking Barack Obama's association with Reverend Wright in three battleground states, has now put down for a national buy on five networks that will last from now through election day, a consultant with the group confirms to me.
The ad will run nationally on Fox, CNN, ABC, CBS, and NBC for the next five days, the consultant, Rick Wilson, says -- "all the way until election day."
The ad, which you can watch here, features the now-infamous footage of Wright's livelier sermons, and intones that Obama "never complained" about Wright "until he ran for President," adding that Obama is "too radical, too risky."
Previously, the ad was only running in Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Florida, as Ben Smith reported the other day.
Now, however, the ad will run nationally, Wilson says, adding that the group just got through getting the spot vetted with network lawyers and is good to go. Best $10 I ever donated!
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http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20081030/COL05/810300305/1004/COL Barack Obama is a transformational political savior, a reincarnation of JFK who will bring peace, justice and worldwide respect as he is "fulfilling Martin Luther King's dream," in the words of one Enquirer headline.
Or he's a smooth-talking humbug in a glossy wrapper - a radical socialist, friend of terrorists, another clueless Jimmy Carter who will cause economic ruin as he appeases our enemies.
Both Obamas are possible.
Both views are true and false because more than any candidate in our lifetimes, he is a blank sheet of paper, where critics and supporters can write down anything they want.
The reason for that is as disturbing as the fears of Obama: The Fourth Estate has been AWOL. The media have abandoned their responsibility to check out both candidates. We know next to nothing about Obama except what he and his fawning friends in the press have decided to tell us.
Fear and loathing
And that's why this election has pushed so many people out on a ledge. Many of his supporters are worried that something dark and ugly from the blank spots in his resume could jump out of a box and scare voters. So they viciously attack his critics to keep the lid on tight.
Whenever a troubling issue comes up - Bill Ayers, Tony Rezko, links to ACORN voter fraud, radical defense of abortion, drug use - they wrap it in yellow tape and tell us, "Move along, folks, nothing to see here."
Many conservatives, motivated more by fear of Obama than enthusiasm for McCain, are just as jittery. Web sites, chain e-mails and talk radio are teeming with Obamaphobia. Some spread the word about real connections to a Chicago crook, his radical America-hating pastor and domestic terrorists. Others spread wild, high-octane fiction that make him look like a Marxist in a moderate suit.
When our election equipment operates properly, the press checks out those allegations and either confirms them or dismisses them as pulp fiction from conspiracy nuts who think aliens in black helicopters blew up the Trade Center.
But this time, the background screening machine was unplugged for Obama. While Sarah Palin, John McCain and even Joe the Plumber got the full wand treatment and pat-down, Obama was whisked past the security checkpoint by his fans in the press.
So people are left to guess about the real Obama.
The media will pay a price for this. There's a reason 70 percent say the press wants Obama to win. In this election, there's not even a flimsy pretense of being objective. And that betrayal of public trust and professional standards will do lasting damage.
But nothing much can be done about it now that we're in the final two-minute drill.
If Obama wins, we may be in for a surprise. I hope it's a pleasant one. But there are reasons to doubt that.
'Spread wealth' sincerity
In a 2001 radio interview, Obama showed disdain for the Constitution and embraced socialism. He said that a failure of the civil rights struggle was that "the Supreme Court never entered into the issues of redistribution of wealth." He defined the Constitution as a menu of "negative rights" that "says what the federal government can't do to you, but it doesn't say what the federal government or the state government must do on your behalf."
So Obama's "spread the wealth" remark in Toledo was no slip. He believes it.
Why isn't the press asking for an explanation? When it was reported at all, the story was dismissed as an attack by McCain.
But if that's the real Obama, giving him the almost absolute power of an unchecked Democratic majority in the House and Senate could cause more damage than Carter. The analogy would be closer to FDR, who ran as a moderate, then prolonged the Depression with a legacy of big-government socialism, even trying to rig the Supreme Court to bypass the Constitution.
Obama gives us a lot to worry about: Weakness in the war on terrorism. Alarming inexperience. Tax hikes that could aggravate the economic crisis. Thin-skinned retaliation against critics. A pinched view that the Constitution guarantees "negative rights," not liberties.
But the biggest worry is what we don't even know about Barack Obama.
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If you guys can out hannity and colmes on.....apparently they found a book that ayers wrote and dedicated to Obama.....they are going to talk about it in a little bit.
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it may not be Obama....they are being mysterious about it.
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the book is from1974 so it's not Obam but is bad they said.
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the book is dedicated to Sirhan Sirhan the guy that killed RFK. But Obama thinks he's a great guy.
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the book is dedicated to Sirhan Sirhan the guy that killed RFK. But Obama thinks he's a great guy. Come on....killing RFK was just another form of political activism.
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the book is dedicated to Sirhan Sirhan the guy that killed RFK. But Obama thinks he's a great guy. Come on....killing RFK was just another form of political activism. a college prank, gone awry if you will.
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I hope that guy's taxes and licenses are all in order.
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They’re happy to spread yours around, mind you. Just not their own:
Looking at Obama’s charitable giving in since 2000 based on his tax returns, we find that Obama consistently refused to follow his own advice to “spread the wealth” when he had the opportunity to do so. This is especially true in years when he made nearly $250,000 or more. . . . [F]rom 2000-2004, Obama’s charitable giving was less than 1 percent.
His contributions increased after his book deal, to a maximum of 6.1% of income in 2006.
Obama’s running mate, Joe Biden, was even stingier about spreading his wealth. When his tax records were released in September, they revealed that over the past decade he had only donated an average of $369 each year. In 2007, his charitable giving was only $995, or 0.3 percent of income in a year when his tax returns reported $319,853 in income.
By comparison, John McCain gave more than one-quarter of his income in 2006 and 2007 (28.6 and 27.3 percent respectively). And according to the New York Observer, since 1998, he has donated royalties on his books totaling more than $1.8 million.
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Obama is also a bad tipper.
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On the other hand he has a tremendous singing voice.
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And he gives great head.
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Obama is also a bad tipper. that's why Mrs. Gore is campaigning for him.
Bow ties are coool.
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http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/31/obama-lays-plans-kill-expectations-election-victory/Obama Lays Plans to Kill Expectations After Election Victory Confident in an Election Day win, the campaign looks to lower supporters' expectations on concerns their hopes of 'change' are unrealistic, a senior aide says FOXNews.com By Tim Reid, The Times of London Barack Obama's senior advisers have drawn up plans to lower expectations for his presidency if he wins next week's election, amid concerns that many of his euphoric supporters are harboring unrealistic hopes of what he can achieve. The sudden financial crisis and the prospect of a deep and painful recession have increased the urgency inside the Obama team to bring people down to earth, after a campaign in which his soaring rhetoric and promises of "hope" and "change" are now confronted with the reality of a stricken economy. One senior adviser told The Times that the first few weeks of the transition, immediately after the election, were critical, "so there's not a vast mood swing from exhilaration and euphoria to despair." The aide said that Obama himself was the first to realize that expectations risked being inflated. In an interview with a Colorado radio station, Obama appeared to be engaged already in expectation lowering. Asked about his goals for the first hundred days, he said he would need more time to tackle such big and costly issues as health care reform, global warming and Iraq. "The first hundred days is going to be important, but it's probably going to be the first thousand days that makes the difference," he said. He has also been reminding crowds in recent days how "hard" it will be to achieve his goals, and that it will take time. "I won't stand here and pretend that any of this will be easy -- especially now," Obama told a rally in Sarasota, Florida, yesterday, citing "the cost of this economic crisis, and the cost of the war in Iraq." Obama's transition team is headed by John Podesta, a Washington veteran and a former chief-of-staff to Bill Clinton. He has spent months overseeing a virtual Democratic government-in-exile to plan a smooth transition should Obama emerge victorious next week. The plans are so far advanced that an Obama Cabinet has been largely decided upon, with the expectation that most of his senior appointments could be announced shortly after election day. Obama is showing his true colors a little too soon.
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So, does this mean that the whomods of the world will start chanting "Obama LIED"TM?
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oh my god! he's not lying to people and treating us like we're children the way bush/mccain do.
Bow ties are coool.
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So lying for the past two years was okay, now that he's ahead in the polls and flush with cash?
Really Machievellian there, Ray.
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So what your saying G-man is that you would rather he inflated peoples hope? Whoever wins is going to have a tough couple of years ahead of them.
Fair play!
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yeah but he was telling everyone he was going to fix everything......the past few months. He lied about a lot of things. if he wins you will see him do many things that will make you shake his head.
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So what your saying G-man is that you would rather he inflated peoples hope? No, I'm saying he already did so and now we're finding out that he promised more than he plans to deliver. I'm not surprised, simply wondering how his zombie supporters (figurative and literal) are going to react to the news that their "messiah" isn't the miracle worker/personal Jesus they all seem to believe.
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yeah but he was telling everyone he was going to fix everything......the past few months. He lied about a lot of things. if he wins you will see him do many things that will make you shake his head. Unless he gave some type of time limit on fixing things, I don't understand how you think he "lied"?
Fair play!
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yeah but he was telling everyone he was going to fix everything......the past few months. He lied about a lot of things. if he wins you will see him do many things that will make you shake his head. I meant shake your head.....if he is President you will go to jail if you shake his head.
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