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i love idiots like you, you claim your a christian then you dont want the government to force Christmas on you. if you were a christian it wouldn't be forced, it would be your choice moron.

youre more laughable than MEM at least he plagiarizes RAW, they have a consistent message.
i don't want ANY religion forced on anyone. that is a personal matter. i also don't want the govt, forcing me/others and otherwise.


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 Originally Posted By: 655321
in the original post, the state didn't censor the belief system, they moved it to a proper venue.


Deciding what is or is not appropriate to be expressed verbally or visually while in a public venue is a form of censorship. Just because it was moved rather than trashed doesn't mean the display was any less inhibited.

This isn't a matter of separating the church and the state--it's not as if the state is adopting a religious tradition by tolerating these displays. It's a matter of free speech.

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Why are all federal, state, and local government offices closed on Christmas if it's such an offensive practice?


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I just don't know how I'm gonna believe in something when its not reinforced everywhere I go. What am I going to do? Think for myself and not worry about others?


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 Originally Posted By: 655321
i don't have 'non-beliefs', i'm a roman catholic. not born into it either, i converted to it 4yrs ago, baptized easter vigil 2007.


Then, you mis-spoke and have no actual issue with displays of Christmas anywhere, and everywhere. Otherwise, you're a hypocrite. Choose your adventure.

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i don't have 'non-beliefs', i'm a roman catholic. not born into it either, i converted to it 4yrs ago, baptized easter vigil 2007.


Then, you mis-spoke and have no actual issue with displays of Christmas anywhere, and everywhere. Otherwise, you're a hypocrite. Choose your adventure.
i have no issue with xmas displays as long as it's not in a govt office, schools are part of the govt. what don't you get about my opinion? just because I chose xtianity as my religion doesn't mean i'm fine with it being pushed by a govt entity which is supposed to remain neutral.


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I just don't know how I'm gonna believe in something when its not reinforced everywhere I go. What am I going to do? Think for myself and not worry about others?
jesus fucking christ, i can't believe i ttly agree with rex. maybe he's the cool one who gets it and all the rest are idiots and not the other way around.

ps- this really has blown my world apart, finding rex the voice of sanity.


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I just don't know how I'm gonna believe in something when its not reinforced everywhere I go. What am I going to do? Think for myself and not worry about others?


someone said something that they believe is and since I'm a mindless zombie I will agree with that person even though it contradicts what I've said before.


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 Originally Posted By: 655321
i have no issue with xmas displays as long as it's not in a govt office


Then you have a problem with Xmas displays. There's no wiggle room there. Either you are for it, or against it.

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Rethink. If you have chosen a religion, then you are acceptable of its presence in your life, no matter the geographic or social location. Otherwise, it's a country club card, and has as much relevance in your life.

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which is supposed to remain neutral.


The US government was founded on the principal of religious freedom. Thus, they have no right to censor religious holidays. Thus, neutrality should play no part.

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Medical Journal: Santa Needs to Clean Up His Act: expert believes Santa Claus needs to hit the gym, saying jolly old St. Nick needs to put down the cookies and pick up the reindeers' carrots.


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There is a picture of a Crescent moon and star sitting not 4 ft away from a Nativity scene and Menorah about 5 blocks from my house.

I didn't realize that Ramadan was celebrated the same month as Christmas and Hanukkah.

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There is a picture of a Crescent moon and star sitting not 4 ft away from a Nativity scene and Menorah about 5 blocks from my house.

I didn't realize that Ramadan was celebrated the same month as Christmas and Hanukkah.


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in all fairness, they probably settled on the crescent moon because not everyone can recognize an improvised explosive device on sight and they didn't want the reference to go over people's heads.


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This has been covered in any number of topics here.

But to reiterate, I think it's retarded to try and exclude Christianity from any public or government displays in a nation that is unquestionably founded on Biblical principles.
And whose founders clearly felt that teaching of the Bible and biblical principles was essential to the health and survival of our democracy. And that the absence of biblical principles were the reason that every previous experiment in democracy had failed.


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 Originally Posted By: Declaration of Independence, 1776
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness...


Whether looking at the Declaration, Constitution, the writings of the founding fathers, or the addresses of most of our Presidents up till the 1960s, and often beyond then, we are clearly a nation founded on Christianity and Biblical principles, particularly a contract government that mirrors the Old and New Testament contract between God and Man.

To exclude Christianity in any way from a government with such clear Christian origins and founding principles, is in the truest sense un-American, expressing a contempt for --or at best ignorance of-- what we are and have been for over 200 years.
To prohibit the free practice of Christianity in a nation that is 79% Christian (at the lowest estimate I've seen), is absurd, and an attempt by secularists and liberals to convert us to belief system completely opposite what we are.

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Wondy, you want your beliefs validated by everyone else because you are weak. You need to latch onto things you see as strong so you can feel better about yourself. If you were a normal person you would be able to celebrate Christmas without throwing online hissy fits and throwing tantrums whenever someone doesn't agree with you.


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Wondy, you want your beliefs validated by everyone else because you are weak. You need to latch onto things you see as strong so you can feel better about yourself. If you were a normal person you would be able to celebrate Christmas without throwing online hissy fits and throwing tantrums whenever someone doesn't agree with you.


Hissy fit? Tantrums?

Your relentless personal attacks on me, and obsession with what I post, manifests a torqued-up level of apoplectic emotion that my posts never approach.

I simply posted some obvious facts about Christianity and its obvious importance in forming our nation.

The hysteria and psychosis is yours, not mine. Quite obviously.

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 Originally Posted By: Pariah
There is a picture of a Crescent moon and star sitting not 4 ft away from a Nativity scene and Menorah about 5 blocks from my house.

I didn't realize that Ramadan was celebrated the same month as Christmas and Hanukkah.


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in all fairness, they probably settled on the crescent moon because not everyone can recognize an improvised explosive device on sight and they didn't want the reference to go over people's heads.


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 Originally Posted By: Wonder Boy

I simply posted some obvious facts about Christianity and its obvious inportance in forming our nation.



You really love clinging to that, don't you? Its not true at all. I know that's what glenn beck and all your other alcoholic hero's always say but it isn't.

Why can't you just celebrate Christmas without getting upset that people don't agree with you?


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I've been quoting the founding fathers for many years before I ever heard of Glenn Beck or any other conservative pundit.

And the only one getting upset here is you.

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 Originally Posted By: Wonder Boy
 Originally Posted By: Declaration of Independence, 1776
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness...


Whether looking at the Declaration, Constitution, the writings of the founding fathers, or the addresses of most of our Presidents up till the 1960s, and often beyond then, we are clearly a nation founded on Christianity and Biblical principles, particularly a contract government that mirrors the Old and New Testament contract between God and Man.

To exclude Christianity in any way from a government with such clear Christian origins and founding principles, is in the truest sense un-American, expressing a contempt for --or at best ignorance of-- what we are and have been for over 200 years.
To prohibit the free practice of Christianity in a nation that is 79% Christian (at the lowest estimate I've seen), is absurd, and an attempt by secularists and liberals to convert us to belief system completely opposite what we are.

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i have no issue with xmas displays as long as it's not in a govt office


Then you have a problem with Xmas displays. There's no wiggle room there. Either you are for it, or against it.

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Rethink. If you have chosen a religion, then you are acceptable of its presence in your life, no matter the geographic or social location. Otherwise, it's a country club card, and has as much relevance in your life.

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which is supposed to remain neutral.

The US government was founded on the principal of religious freedom. Thus, they have no right to censor religious holidays. Thus, neutrality should play no part.


brilliant logic. following it, since i'm ok with sex, i should find it acceptable no matter the geographic or social location.

my chosen religion is just that - MINE. i don't need other ppl to recognize the important dates within it for validation.

religious holidays are not being censored by the govt. neutrality should be practiced on the part of the govt. by allowing private citizens, businesses & places of worship to observe religious holidays they are allowing religious freedom. when the govt takes it upon themselves to observe a particular religion's traditions, they are sending the message that it is govt sponsored.


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brilliant logic. following it, since i'm ok with sex, i should find it acceptable no matter the geographic or social location.


A) Yes.

B) You don't worship sex, and give yourself over to its ideals and followings as your guiding path in life (or do you?). Please attempt to recognize the obvious and inherent difference in your failed comparison. Try again.

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my chosen religion is just that - MINE. i don't need other ppl to recognize the important dates within it for validation.


But, since it is "YOUR" religion (why are we shouting?), and you have accepted it as your designated spiritual definition, you have no problems with others wishing to see it on display, correct? Your religion could not possibly offend you. Right?

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religious holidays are not being censored by the govt.


Then why isn't a nativity scene allowed on city property? Why is the Atheistic Religion being allowed dominance?

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neutrality should be practiced on the part of the govt. by allowing private citizens, businesses & places of worship to observe religious holidays they are allowing religious freedom. when the govt takes it upon themselves to observe a particular religion's traditions, they are sending the message that it is govt sponsored.


But, if they are sponsoring Aethism, then they are departing from the foundations of the American essence. Religious Freedom. Ergo, the censorship of Christianity.

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