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President Obama thanks Fort Campbell soldiers
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President Obama thanks soldiers at Ft. Campbell fo...: Meets privately with operatives who killed Osama bin Laden
FORT CAMPBELL— President Barack Obama paid tribute to an appreciative audience of more than 2,300 soldiers Friday, thanking them for the spirit of service and sacrifice that led to the capture and killing of terrorist mastermind Osama bin Laden.
“You’ve been on the front lines of this fight for nearly 10 years,” the president told a standing-room only, camouflage-clad crowd in a hangar at Fort Campbell, home of the 101st Airborne Division.
“You were there in those early days, driving the Taliban from power, pushing al-Qaida out of its safe havens. Over time, as the insurgency grew, you went back for, in some cases, a second time, a third time, a fourth time.”
Obama spoke five days after bin Laden, whose al-Qaida organization was responsible for the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks on the United States, was killed in Pakistan.
Before the rally with the troops, he met privately with units that were heavily involved in the mission: the 160th Special Operations Aviation Regiment, which is based at Fort Campbell, and Navy SEAL Team 6.
“Job well done,” he told the special forces.
To the 101st, Obama said: “I came here for a simple reason — to say thank you on behalf of America.”
... Obama is clearly trying to grab all the credit.  It's funny how, when you present some people with absolute fact and proof, they still try and either claim it's false, or simply try and twist their argument a different way. Meanwhile, though, you proved your point with facts. Well done and argument unquestionably won. Yep, now it's time to pretend that Obama just started giving credit to the military when he's been doing it all along. I really don't expect the Pariahs out there to do anything different than what they always do. I guess I was surprised though that so many conservatives seem to be going that route. I can understand a Bush voter wishing it was their guy that had gotten Osama and this being a little bitter sweet for them but some of the polling I've seen, well I guess I had hoped there would have been more of a moment of unity.
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Yep, now it's time to pretend that Obama just started giving credit to the military when he's been doing it all along. President Obama thanks Fort Campbell soldiers
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3:31 AM, May. 7, 2011 | Comments Poor MEM. I guess he's just too busy getting fellated by Pro to bother making sense.
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Silly MEM. Don't you know you have to get a linked-article to match a date Pariah approves? How do you expect facts, the truth, or reality to convince him if you can't link to an article he approves of??!!
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Silly MEM. Don't you know you have to get a linked-article to match a date Pariah approves? How do you expect facts, the truth, or reality to convince him if you can't link to an article he approves of??!! That's great.
Now if only he'd done that before being criticized about not doing it.
Hmm. Somehow I don't think Bush would have had the same problem. It's funny how, when you present some people with absolute fact and proof, they still try and either claim it's false, or simply try and twist their argument a different way. Meanwhile, though, you proved your point with facts. Well done and argument unquestionably won. How long ago was he killed again? You're not very bright are you Pro?
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You know you don't need to respond to me directly to look like an idiot right Pro? Quoting yourself repeatedly as if your posts are relevant to the issue does the trick just fine.
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How do you expect facts, the truth, or reality to convince him if you can't link to an article he approves of??!! It's just like the time Pariah told us that Sony wasn't guilty of having shitty protection for PSN users, since Microsoft can get hacked, too.
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Chris Wallace just asked a great question to national security advisor Tom Donilon: Why is it okay to shoot an unarmed man in the face --Bin Ladin-- but it's not okay to conduct "enhanced" interrogation [waterboarding] of Al Qaida prisoners?
I'd only add to that: Why is "enhanced" interrogation immoral, but attacking a country that we never declared war on, and even sending in squads to assassinate Qaddafi and his family members perfectly okay?
Since Obama is already more willing to call Tea Party members dangerous extremists than he is to similarly label actual muslim terrorists, it's not difficult to imagine the possiblilities of sliding down this slippery slope. Especially for a president with an administration full of people who have praised the likes of Mao and Hugo Chavez.
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Chris Wallace just asked a great question to national security advisor Tom Donilon: Why is it okay to shoot an unarmed man in the face --Bin Ladin-- but it's not okay to conduct "enhanced" interrogation [waterboarding] of Al Qaida prisoners?
... It's not the same thing. For one thing the ones that went into Pakistan were taking on far more risk than the ones doing the torture. You don't have to worry about an already captured and detained captive blowing you up. The team that got Osama really did have to worry about that stuff.
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How do you expect facts, the truth, or reality to convince him if you can't link to an article he approves of??!! It's just like the time Pariah told us anything
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Yep, now it's time to pretend that Obama just started giving credit to the military when he's been doing it all along. President Obama thanks Fort Campbell soldiers
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3:31 AM, May. 7, 2011 | Comments Poor MEM. I guess he's just too busy getting fellated by Pro to bother making sense. Seriously, how the fuck does Obama thanking the troops a week to late equate to giving credit all along to this moron?
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Chris Wallace just asked a great question to national security advisor Tom Donilon: Why is it okay to shoot an unarmed man in the face --Bin Ladin-- but it's not okay to conduct "enhanced" interrogation [waterboarding] of Al Qaida prisoners?
... It's not the same thing. For one thing the ones that went into Pakistan were taking on far more risk than the ones doing the torture. You don't have to worry about an already captured and detained captive blowing you up. The team that got Osama really did have to worry about that stuff. If only given the option of being waterboarded or shot int he face which would you choose?
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If only given the option of being waterboarded or shot in the face which would you choose? It's a pretty simple choice. Waterboarding is a few minutes of discomfort with no permanent injury. Being shot in the face... well... that's a lot more permanent. U.S. marines and news reporters volunteer to be waterboarded. Not many volunteers for the latter bullet to the face.
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It's not the same thing. For one thing the ones that went into Pakistan were taking on far more risk than the ones doing the torture. You don't have to worry about an already captured and detained captive blowing you up. The team that got Osama really did have to worry about that stuff. That's a bogus argument. Is a police officer less valuable than Marine in Iraq or Afghanistan, just because cop is at less risk? A prisoner can always unexpectedly attack, or even kill their guards in a bid to escape. Is a teacher less valuable than a Navy SEAL? Is a paramedic, just because he's not risking his life? I would argue that the Navy SEALs are not at risk of being falsely imprisoned by Eric Holder's justice department, on equally bogus arguments.
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It's not bogus to recognize that the SEALS were at far more risk than an already captured and detained prisoner. Your scenario of an unexpected attack is far less likely and so there is much less risk. I made no such statement about one being more valuable than the other, nor see that having anything to do with the torture debate.
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How could the seals be at risk when obama was responsible for it all? Doesn't that mean obama was in danger?
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It's not bogus to recognize that the SEALS were at far more risk than an already captured and detained prisoner. Your scenario of an unexpected attack is far less likely and so there is much less risk. I'd acknowledge that a SEAL on a battlefield is at higher risk. But a CIA interrogator is likewise at some considerable risk. From both their prisoners, as well as others who would seek to kill them. I have a friend who was a prison guard, who spoke to me about an incident where he was just walking a prisoner from one area to another of the prison two steps behind him, and the prisoner whirled around for no apparent reason and elbowed him in the jaw, breaking his jaw. Six years later, he still had middle-ear problems and several surgeries, long after he left his position. I made no such statement about one being more valuable than the other, nor see that having anything to do with the torture debate. I re-read your comment I responded to, and acknowledge that I read more into it than you actually said. Independent of that, a CIA interrogator is as necessary to get information and save lives, as are Navy SEALs. And as I said, the CIA agents are up on false charges, and are arguably also at risk for doing exactly as they were instructed to.
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Sen. John McCain: Osama Bin Laden was not killed because of information obtained by torture
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Thursday, May 12th 2011, 2:27 PM
Torture did not produce the information that led to Osama Bin Laden, Arizona Sen. John McCain declared Thursday.
"It was not torture, or cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment of detainees that got us the major leads," he said on the Senate floor.
The key information about Bin Laden's courier "was obtained through standard, noncoercive means" - not from waterboarding detainees, McCain wrote in a Washington Post editorial.
A former prisoner of war who endured five years of mistreatment in Vietnam, McCain has a unique authority to speak on the subject.
Former Bush administration officials have repeatedly claimed that the relentless waterboarding of terrorist Khalid Sheik Mohammed cracked the case.
McCain said he learned from CIA Director Leon Panetta and staffers at the Senate intelligence committee that Mohammed actually lied to his interrogators about the courier, Abu Ahmed al-Kuwaiti.
"He specifically told his interrogators that Abu Ahmed had moved to Peshawar, got married and ceased his role as an Al Qaeda facilitator - none of which was true," McCain said.
The initial information about the courier's central role in Al Qaeda and his nickname, which ultimately led to Bin Laden, "came from a detainee held in another country, who we believe was not tortured," McCain said.
McCain's account directly contradicts the version told by several top Bush administration officials.
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So McCain knows more about this than Panetta?
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It looks like in the rush to take credit the secret White House sources have endangered the real heroes that took down Osama: http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/05/12/gat...-safety/?hpt=C1 “We are very concerned about the security of our families – of your families and our troops, and also these elite units that are engaged in things like that. And without getting into any details … I would tell you that when I met with the team last Thursday, they expressed a concern about that, and particularly with respect to their families,” Gates told an audience of Marines at Camp Lejeune in North Carolina.
Then he dropped this bombshell: “Frankly, a week ago Sunday, in the Situation Room, we all agreed that we would not release any operational details from the effort to take out bin Laden. That all fell apart on Monday, the next day.”
"He was indeed voicing his concern about the breakdown in operational security after the killing of Bin Laden," Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense Geoff Morrell said. "Anonymous sources revealing secret information about the tactics, training, and equipment of covert forces put at risk our ability to successfully mount similar missions in the future."
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This is why you don't make a community organizer commander in chief of the world's greatest army.
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Do you miss the days of the Bush Administration where secret agents were exposed for political payback and faulty intelligence was manufactured to go to war?
No wonder Osama had all those safe years.
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