RKMBs Forums .::Important::. Politics and Current Events Palestinian slaughter raid from Gaza into Israel

I've been meaning to post about this for a few days. The raids into Israel began early Saturday, October 7th. The rising death toll of Israelis killed , as of today, was announced to have surpassed 1,000, and still counting, most of them probably killed the first day, and it took till now to even count them.

Gaza and the West Bank were given autonomy over 15 years ago, and all along Palestinians have been continuing terrorism and missile attacks on Israel pretty much daily.

This part that preceded Oct 7 I just became aware of :


Israeli military has been conducting frequent nightly raids into Palestinian towns (October 5th)



I'm frankly surprised Israel tolerated it as long as they did.
Israel was apparently beginning to crack down on these attacks, even before the all-out Hamas attack on Israel began.

Beheading babies.
Raping women on the ground right next to the bodies of their just-murdered families.
Burning many alive, or machine gunning and stabbiing women and children while sleeping in their beds.
Shooting one Israeli woman's face over and over at least 40 times, long after dead, beyond any possible recognition.

Things I could not imagine, if not seen reported in the news.
That is some serious hatred.

And the hatred of Democrats like Rashida Tlaib, and students and faculty at universities across the U.S., seem to match the hatred and thirst for Jewish blood of those actually doing the killing. .

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_Strip



Israel removed its settlements in Gaza in 2005.

The Palestinians in Gaza elected radical Hamas as its leadership in 2006.
And have been firing rockets and digging attack tunnels into Israel ever since.

Biden
“ “In this moment we must be crystal clear: We stand with Israel,” Biden said in remarks from the State Dining Room. “And we will make sure Israel has what it needs to take care of its citizens, defend itself and respond to this attack. There’s no justification for terrorism. There’s no excuse.”
“It’s abhorrent,” he continues. “The brutality of Hamas … brings to mind the worst rampages of ISIS. This is terrorism. But sadly, for the Jewish people, it’s not new.”

"You know Hezobollah is very smart." -Orange Goober

i.e., Biden gives lip service to supporting Israel, but then simultaneously tells Israel to be restrained and not retaliate.
And announces to the world that the Biden administration doesn't have a winning strategy in Gaza.

Wow, how can you be more solidly behind Israel than that?

Recognizing that Russia or China or Hamas or Hezbollah are cunning adversaries is not giving anything away.

You know what's giving aid and comfort to the enemy?

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  * Biden offering $100 million to Gaza in humanitarian aid (that undermines Israel, and will be corruptly stolen by Hamas leadership and diverted for military supply instead of ACTUAL humanitarian aid, as Biden officials have already acknowledged is impossible to prevent.)
  
  * Biden stopping enforcement of Trump's former oil sanctions on Iran, that was previously starving Iran's military capability, where Iran previously only had $4 billion in assets, and not even 3 years later, Iran now has $80 billion in assets to fund wars and terrorism groups across the mid east , and fund Iran's nuclear program.
  **AND** anotther $ 6 billion given to Iran by Biden for only 5 U.S. hostages. Which only encourages Iran to kidnap more U.S. hostages. Which by the way, just happened in Gaza, about 6 weeks after the U.S. payment to Iran for hostages.
  
  * Biden surrendering Afghanistan, and handing over our Bagram air force base to the Chinese, as well as handing over $4 trillion in mineral reserves in Afghanistan for solar and electric energy, that leaves us even more dependent on China for those export materials.

Hamas, Hezbollah and Iran are clever, having out-maneuvered Biden and the Democrats, receiving billions thanks to Biden, diverted to even more terrorism and war.
So yes, "Orange Goober" is right.

So the house republicans want to help Israel so much they’re attaching budget cuts to the IRS in their aid package. And nothing for Ukraine? Tax cheats and Putin have some great friends there.

Two separate wars (Ukraine and Israel) should have two separate aid bills.
In the case of Ukraine, it's among the most corrupt nations on Earth, and was before Russia first invaded in 2014, and again in 2022. Whereas Israel is a nation that is not as corrupt and can be trusted with aid sent.
Ukraine has already received about $150 billion in aid from Biden, how much more do they need? And the combined other NATO nations have given Ukraine a piddly 6% of that.
Fair share?

Regarding putting in a provision for cutting funding for 87,000 new IRS agents (who would be used to further help an already Democrat-weaponized IRS to use those 87,000 new agents to audit and harass Republicans, particularly Republican campaign donors), how many other Democrat spending spree funding provisions for Planned Parenthood and other social/welfare programs and Democrat slush funds have been wedged into Democrat "omnibus" legislation bills over the last 10 years?
It's pretty hypocritical for you to be totally on board for these provisions where Democrats have continuously put in earmarks for hundreds of billions in legislation bill after bill, and then for you to be selectively outraged that Republicans use similar bootstrapping to simply get rid of previous frivolous/malicious spending.

Aid to Israel is supposedly something republicans want. When a party uses things as a bargaining chip then they really don’t want it all that bad. And Russia isn’t going to stop with Ukraine either. The price of letting Ukraine fall will be much larger.

Again, assuming that is even accurate, it is pure hypocrisy, for you to endorse Democrats using such bargaining chips FOR YEARS in legislation bills.
And now all of a sudden you have a hissy fit that Republicans fight back and use the same tactics?
Pure hypocrisy.

I think Republicans even want further aid to Ukraine, it's just Republicans want better oversight, to insure the aid sent to Ukraine is actually used for what it was sent for, instead of just being pocketed by Ukranian bureaucrats. Biden wants to combine congressional spending bills for Israel and Ukraine, so this corruption in Ukraine can continue, without audit or oversight. And I would lay money that Biden and his cabal are personally profiting from that Ukraine corruption.
Amid SO MUCH OTHER Biden corruption.

Just pointing out the obvious. If a group really wants something they don’t use it as a bargaining chip. Pretty easy to understand.

Hope voters in less gerrymandered areas are paying attention.

The poison pill that republicans inserted into the aid package will add billions to the deficit according to the CBO. Just pathetic.

So why are the Democrats continuing to use the bill to extort 87,000 new IRS agents (to harass and audit Republicans)?
Why not omit the expanded IRS spending, and pass the bill?

The Democrats' lie is that "Republicans are trying to give a tax break to the rich".
But we all know that the IRS won't be going after billionaires (who have tax lawyers and accountants who can find loopholes, or go to court to avoid payment.)

No, these will be used to audit conservative activist groups, conservative campaign donors, conservative media reporters, and middle class and blue collar taxpayers, who don't have the resources to fight IRS audits or fines.
I read an article years ago, about how IRS targets waiters, bartenders, and other tip-earning professions, because they are captive to the IRS. Whereas a factory owner can always move his business to a more tax-friendly state, or to Mexico or the Phillipines to avoid more taxes.
THAT'S why, against the Democrats' lying narrative, the IRS will never go after billionaires, as they allege the new IRS agents are for.

So let's dispense with the B.S.

Your hyper partisan accusations would be the bs though. I’ve watched republicans for years implement tax cuts for the wealthy while defunding the IRS. The CBO unsurprisingly finds that the cut house republicans are now demanding will actually add to the deficit. Hobbling the system that brings in the revenue for our country will do that.

Yeah, "hyper-partisan", right....

I guess that whole thing with Lois Lerner and the IRS in 2010-2012 targeting, auditing and harassing Tea Party and religious conservative grassroots groups like Franklin Graham, or the IRS auditing and harassing Frank Vandersloot (a $1 million donor to Mitt Romney's 2012 presidential campaign, vindictively targeted by the Democrat-weaponized IRS, so Vandersloot had to pay $80,000 in legal fees just to prove he wasn't guilty of anything, very much like the lawfare unleashed on Trump right now).
I guess all that didn't actually happen.

Or weaponizing of the FBI, DOJ, State Department, NSA, CIA, NSC and other agencies to attack and frame Trump, Flynn, Manafort and others in his staff, almost from the moment he announced his 2015 candidacy.

How immune to reality are you?
There they are, the facts, right in front of you. If you had the objectivity to look at them. But you would rather be lied to, and parrot DNC lies.
Such is your zeal for the Democrat-Bolshevik party. The fanatics in your party are burning this country to the ground. They openly boast about destroying the Republican party and establishing a one-party authoritarian state, and we've been witnessing for 5 years how eager they are to abuse federal power to illegally destroy their opposition. What your Bolshevik party is doing is exactly what has been done in authoritarian Brazil, Venezuela, Cuba, and China. And yet you cheer it on.

So where is the Israeli occupation and enslavement/occupation of Gaza?
Gaza has been free and autonomous of Israeli control for 18 years, and selected Hamas as their leadership 17 years ago (at which point Hamas ceased any more elections).
And statistically, for all Hamas' corruption and oppression, despite murder of dissenting Palestinians, despite billions in humanitarian funding for fresh sanitary water for pipes and Hamas pulling these pipes out of the ground to instead turn into missiles and artillery shells instead of fresh water, Gazans still support Hamas' leadership.

Likewise the West Bank.

Likewise Southern Lebanon.

As soon as Israel pulled out of each of these territories almost 20 years ago, rather than enjoy their own autonomous governments, and use billions in international aid to build economies for their own people, they instead have used those just ceded lands to fire thousands of missiles into Israel every year, and use those billions in international aid to build elaborate expensive concrete-reinforced tunnels, and for funding heavily armed terrorist raids into Israel.

So who are the aggressors, and who are the ones making concessions for peace?

Israel has every justification at this point to turn Gaza into a smoking crater. Despite concession of all these territories, Israel has been repaid and forced to endure continuous raids and missile attacks for roughly 20 years.

Even Egypt and Jordan on their borders won't take ANY Palestinians as refugees into their countries. Because they know what radicalized fanatics the Gazans and other Palestinians are. They are a de-stabilizing terror threat to any country they would immigrate to, even a muslim country.
And even their fellow muslim radicals in Egypt, Syria, Yemen, Qatar, UAE, Lebanon, Iraq, and Iran, know it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas (Gaza strip)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatah (West Bank)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hezbollah (Southern Lebanon)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Jihad_Organization (Lebanon)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_Islamic_Jihad
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houthi_movement

And the center of the web, and source of funding and training for all these, and other terror groups....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quds_Force (Iran)

The common sense thing to do by Biden (now that Hamas, funded and led by Iran) is to do a massive strike on all Quds and IRGC facilities in Iran and the surrounding region, that would cripple islamic terrorist funding and leadership at its source, and letting all the other terrorist group in the region know that what they have now is it, is all thy'll have, and there won't be any terrorism weapons or funding coming after.
With the added bonus of destabilizing Iran within their own country, crippling Iran's internal power structure, so that they would be struggling after such a strike just to remain in power against in their police state against a revolution, or perhaps be overthrown by the Iranian popular majority, who are pro-western and would likely hand over Iran's nuclear program to UN weapons inspectors to be dismantled, once a non-islamic goverment gained power in Iran.

This would be the logical thing to do.
Which means Biden and the Democrats can be counted on to do the exact opposite.

Despite that Iran has orchestrated the Hamas raid into Israel that killed 1,400 Israelis, and taken over 240 more as hostages, fromm many nations, 31 of whom are Americans who have been killed, and a further estimated 12 more Americans who are still being held hostage in Gaza. So the U.S. likewise has every right to go all-in looking for blood, from the source in Iran, and clean house, and go after Iran's nuclear weapons facilities and dismantle them. Iran has given the U.S. the invitation to do so, the absolute justification to. With maximum overwhelming force.

But again --OF COURSE-- the Biden administration can be counted on to do the exact opposite.
To the detriment and endangerment of the United States.
And of the world.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/aug/16/biden-has-been-wrong-on-every-major-foreign-policy/

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The Israel-Gaza war is apparently good for the news networks, all of whom got a boost in ratings since he initial Oct 7th raid into Israel.

https://www.adweek.com/tvnewser/here-are-cable-news-ratings-for-october-2023/540738/

Although across the board, network ratings, even after the boost in ratings, are astonishingly low. Just 7 months ago, Tucker Carlson at 8 PM on Fox was averaging about 3.5 million viewers nightly.

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WHO MADE THE ISRAEL HOSTAGE POSTERS BEING POSTED ALL OVER OVER THE U.S.
https://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/...osters-popping-up-around-the-us-18073973