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Incidentally, Byrne's work on FF has been collected as a Marvel Classics tpb.
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I haven't seen the new Byrne trade you refer to, T-Dave. I saw Visionaries: John Byrne FANTASTIC FOUR, out about two years ago, reprinting FF 232-240. But if what you refer to is a more recent one, I haven't seen it. Here's another cover from back when Byrne was still B*Y*R*N*E:  A classic from 1980 by Roger Stern, John Byrne and Joe Rubinstein. And this issue is especially relevent and fun in an election year, when perhaps we yearn even more for a candidate who engenders idealism and trust. Great story. Here also is a link to Rufus' new topic on Byrne:
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Does anyone else here really love ROG 2000 by Byrne? Although a great character, Rog 2000 has had very few appearances. I first discovered these stories in the ROG 2000 collected reprint magazine by Pacific Comics, out in 1982.  Collecting all the stories from E-MAN issues 6, 7, 9, and 10, along with some other stories and features from CPL and other fan publications where Byrne and ROG's other creators started out. Byrne's own website shows fan-magazine covers, convention sketches, and even a Twinkie ad, all featuring ROG 2000. Rog 2000 also had a cameo in Byrne's SHE HULK run, in issue 8.
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I loved Byrne's FF run.I liked his Superman stuff & of course,his X-Men.As far as recent stuff goes,I'd say the first two Generations minis,Batman/Captain America Elseworlds & Darkseid/Galactus Elseworlds were the only blips on the radar that I enjoyed.I have found the current Blood of the Demon series to be interesting enough for me to pick it up every month(like DP,it's ending before it even hits the 20 issue mark).I met him once a few years ago at Pittsburgh & he was actually pretty nice to me as we discussed Superman & what he had coming up that involved the Man of Steel(at the time it was the Elesworlds Annual of Action Comics I think).
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Rog 2000 was enjoyable stuff that stood out at the time (as well as the original E-man run) I think the Showcase revival of Doom Patrol at the time sported a Robotman with a very Rog 2000-ish body.
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I loved Byrne's FF run.I liked his Superman stuff & of course,his X-Men.
I met him once a few years ago at Pittsburgh & he was actually pretty nice to me as we discussed Superman & what he had coming up that involved the Man of Steel(at the time it was the Elesworlds Annual of Action Comics I think). That's great that you got to meet John Byrne. I saw him at a distance at a few South Florida conventions, but he was always too mobbed for me to talk with him. I saw recently that almost Byrne's entire FF run has been released in glossy trades. It's beautiful work in its original form, and even more so in these high-quality collected editions. I'd like to see Byrne's entire X-MEN run (issues 108, 109, 111-143) in similar reasonably priced trade editions. And Byrne's AVENGERS 181-191 run. Matter-eater Man said:
Rog 2000 was enjoyable stuff that stood out at the time (as well as the original E-man run)
I think the Showcase revival of Doom Patrol at the time sported a Robotman with a very Rog 2000-ish body. Glad to hear I'm not the only Rog 2000 fan out there, M E M. ! Here's another great pin-up of Rog 2000, titled "Rog 2000 meets Howard the Duck" :  And another that plays on the similarities of Rog 2000 to Robotman you mention. 
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Here's another sampling from Byrne's early days, about 30 pages of science fiction stories he did. Some really nice stuff: What's especially amazing is that he did these stories in 1973 ! But they're very professional looking work mostly, done about two years before Byrne started working professionally for Charleton and Marvel. And again, it's an example of early work by Byrne that far surpasses what he's doing now. If only Byrne could have maintained the standard he had from 1977-1982. Byrne especially excels at drawing robots and space ships, and these stories show that off nicely.
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Another great early cover by Byrne from COMIC BOOK READER 128 from 1976, again featuring Rog 2000 and Howard the Duck:  Byrne's Rog 2000 run in E-MAN ended in late 1975, and the first HOWARD THE DUCK issue (by Steve Gerber and Frank Brunner) was cover-dated January 1976. It's really funny to think of Rog 2000 being jealous of HOWARD THE DUCK getting his own book, while Rog's backup series in E-MAN (issues 6, 7, 9, and 10) floundered. Or perhaps this illustration reflects Byrne's wish to do a Rog 2000 series, and a sense that if Howard the Duck could get a regular series, then Rog was worthy of a regular series too. Although Byrne seems to be fond of Howard the Duck too, as reflected in the number of fan illustrations Byrne has done of Howard the Duck.
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John Byrne was th first artist I ever bought books specifically because he drew them. For some reason I bought his books for years after his work got really shitty, the horrible artwork on Next Men was the last straw....
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Yeah, unfortunately, I kept buying his shit out of inertia myself. At least you quit at a decent time, I kept going all the way through Marvel: The Lost Years and his Spider-Man crap...
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Maybe Byrne's problem is that he inks with a sharpie...or doesn't?
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Have to check out what a sharpie is.
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"Batman is only meaningful as an answer to a world which in its basics is chaotic and in the hands of the wrong people, where no justice can be found. I think it's very suitable to our perception of the world's condition today... Batman embodies the will to resist evil" -Frank Miller
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Well, here's a few samples of what Byrne, on his best day, can do with a Sharpie: X-MEN 114, cover, and first three pages, Austin inksX-MEN 117, first three pages ( Cockrum/Austin cover) X-MEN 126, first two pages (Cockrum/Austin cover) X-MEN 127, cover and first three pagesX-MEN 141, cover and first three pagesX-MEN 143, cover and first three pages
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i dont thin he used a sharpie on those...
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Those pic's looks good to me.
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Terry Austin, not John Byrne, inked all those covers. In fact Austin pencilled AND inked 143's cover.
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Yeah, my mistake. A sharpie would be used for inking, and all the X-MEN pages and covers I linked above were Byrne pencils, none showed Byrne inks. But the Rog 2000 pages I showed are Byrne pencils and inks. And virtually all the art in the ART OF JOHN BYRNE book from my opening post (published in 1980) are examples of Byrne's ability with a pen, if not a Sharpie pen in particular. And on second glance, you're right, issue 143 was Austin pencils/Austin inks(no Byrne). But it sure looks like Byrne art. Issue 142's cover as well (a futuristic Sentinel killing all the X-Men) is Austin pencils and inks, with no Byrne art. So that would make Byrne's spectacular cover for issue 141 his last X-MEN series cover.    [Click images to enlarge]But as you say, while very pretty, none of these X-MEN pages shows Byrne inks, only his pencils.
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One series by Byrne I've developed a recent curiosity about: Some comments you guys have made about the series: Pig Iron said: My favorites by Byrne [include]: profh0011 said:
O M A C, after-the-fact, turned out to be my favorite of Kirby's 70's DC books. One more inspired project cut off in mid-stream, far too early. Ressurected in a completely ill-conceived and obscene (yet technically impressive) rethink by Starlin, who dropped off too soon because of the "DC Implosion". Continued to no avail by Mishkin, Cohn & LaRocque, whose attempt to back-pedal to Kirby's intent felt awkward when compared to both Kirby AND Starlin.
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And then Byrne came along, and like HULK, did something UTTERLY bizarre... It was VERY interesting. I loved the part where OMAC killed Adolph Hitler! the discovery that "The World That's Coming" had always been an alternate-reality, NOT part of the "normal" DCU, created by time-travel, seemed inspired. But somehow, in the last half of part 4,
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I think he went too far-- OVER-COMPLICATING it to the point where, after reading the entire mini TWICE, I STILL couldn't make heads or tails of it. Mr Nobody said:
And then came OMAC. This is still high on my list of favorite books. This is when I realized that there is a world of comics outside straight up superhero books, and began to get into some of the edgy stuff released by DC and Epic back in the 80s, as well as some indie stuff.
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I have OMAC and I like it a lot. Art and story are excellent. Some of you like Byrne's O.M.A.C. series, some don't. But your reviews are 3 to 1 in favor. I initially passed on this one because it was in B&W, and because it was out in a period I'd already lost respect for Byrne's work. I wonder how it compares to Kirby's original series (1974-1975), and to Starlin's backup in KAMANDI 59 (stalled by the book's cancellation after just one issue in the DC Implosion of 1978) and finally concluded as a backup series in WARLORD 37-39, in 1981. Probably not very consistent in style to Kirby, but perhaps innovative and intriguing in its own right. Mixed reviews, but I think I'll check these out finally.
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I like Ariel AKA Warp's new topic and caricature of Byrne
No comic artist solicits the abuse on himself quite like Byrne. The hackery of his own work should shame him into either silence, or producing better work that would qualify him to make such comments.
Byrne demonstrated real talent in that 1975-1982 period. If only he had not allowed himself to so quickly become such a has-been. And a pathetically bitter has-been at that.
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If you read Lying in the Gutters,you'll come across a piece how Byrne banned a guy from his boards for reading some sympathy posts from people on Byrne's MB at a funeral for a guy who posted there.All class that JB.
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Yeah, that was really bad and sad...I read that and finally lost all respect.
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Dave:
<strong> I quite liked Sensational She-Hulk.
But then compare that to his atrocious run on Wonder Woman.
The only good thing Byrne did there was turn WW into a goddess..then DC stripped her of her new powers the next issue sfter his run was over...tragic.
The only good thing Byrne did there was turn WW into a goddess..then DC stripped her of her new powers the next issue sfter his run was over...tragic
Incidentally, Byrne has been the subject of criticism over his often sadistic portrayal of women - see the She-Hulk graphic novel (She-Hulk is naked, chained and watched on video by a voyueristic and corrupt SHIELD agent): Big Barda's apparent rape at the hands of a minion of Darkseid in an issue of Action Comics (in which she and Superman later make a porn film - I kid you not!), and others. They was a website on the subject, the link to which I've now lost.
I have those...they are a bit twisted..I only realized recently that Shulkie's nipple was hanging out in one of the panels .
</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Next Men and Danger Unlimited were the last truly great Byrne stories IMO.
My favorite Byrne works in order are..
X-Men
Alpha Flight
Fantastic Four
Avengers (various 175-200)
Iron Fist
Secret origins Doom Patrol Issue.
Man of Steel/Superman/Action Comics (Action Comics Annual #1 being the jewel in the crown)
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Captain America
Next Men/Danger Unlimited
Marvel Team-Up
Hulk
Avengers west Coast (yeah, I liked it)
Omac
Namor (about half the run was pretty decent.especially the savage Land issues)
In terms of comparing Byrne to other artists i think John Buscema is a good comparison. John Byrne could have been a better version of John Buscema..but he got the attitude.
I met him..he was a decent enough fellow, but he exuded cockiness (if I can judge). he had a decent sense of humor and was relatively cheerful. It just felt that he lost all interest in comics when I finally met him in 92. He had no spark about him as other creators had.
His intent on inking his own work and writing his own work was to his detriment. He needed creative refreshers and he never allowed himself to have any. hopefully his new JLA work with Claremont will re-energize him..
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I was just reading this "List of Aborted Storylines", where Byrne answers what made him leave various series, and was surprised by this one about why he left SHE-HULK after issues 1-8, and a Rog-2000 appearance that was aborted: - http://www.byrnerobotics.com/FAQ/listing.asp?ID=3&T1=Questions+about+Aborted+Storylines
Q: re-reading the Comics Interview book that collected various interviews with you, and in it they have your cover to SENSATIONAL SHE-HULK #9 with "Roger the Robot". Since you left the book before that issue, can you share what your story idea was for that issue?
BYRNE: I'd planned to introduce a very ROG-like golden robot as Jen's butler. She was going to meet him when she found herself prosecuting him for murder in a story I could not resist titling "Who Framed Roger Robot?"
  In my defective memory roughly 2 decades later, I thought the story was actually used. But it was planned for issue 9, and Byrne was taken off the series with issue 8. Byrne later came back to the series for issues 31-50, when Bobbie Chase was replaced with editor Renee Witterstatter.
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Yeah, all the more so for me because I love the ROG 2000 character. I wish they'd publish a book collecting every last Byrne story and illustration of ROG 2000, back to the original CPL days. A lot of them are on Byrne's site.
Fantagraphics was going to release the ROG 2000 stories again around 1987-1988 in a two-issue offset-printed collection with better coloring (the Charleton printing was horrible in E-MAN 6,7, 9 and 10) and the 2-issue Fantagraphics color reprint was advertised as coming out (in DOOMSDAY SQUAD 7), but to my knowledge was never released.
I have the original Charleton E-MAN issues, and the 1982 black-and-white reprint from Pacific Comics, but I'd still like to see a complete edition of this playful and fun character, that represents Byrne's earliest characters, and is possibly the first character he created, at least as a pro artist.
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I just dug up this great CPL fanzine drawing of ROG 2000 by Byrne:  He's sticking pins in a vodoo doll of Magnus Robot fighter!
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I just ran across this COMIC BOOK ARTIST inteview of Byrne, from the period he broke into comics working for Charleton, and gradually migrated to Marvel, circa 1975-1976. He had a special affection for Rog 2000 that came through in the interview. His complete work for Charleton and Marvel in that era is in my checklist on page 1 of the topic. http://twomorrows.com/comicbookartist/articles/12byrne.htmlI bought his first issue of DOOMSDAY +1 on the stands back in 1975, and had no idea then who Byrne was, but still enjoyed it (Byrne did 6 issues, reprinted in 1985 with far better offset printing by Fantagraphics with a 7th unpublished issue!) Around 1980 I got very into Byrne's work, and was surprised to learn from the checklist that this was one of his books!
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I have no happiness in my life, or achievements, so I'll just
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