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This is the only problem: refusing to transfer a woman's prescription for birth-control pills to another druggist or to give the slip back to her.
"Their job is not to regulate what people take or do. It's just to fill the prescription that was ordered by my physician." Actually, their job partially IS to regulate wjat people take. Otherwise they can get sued and have their liscance revoked. There are people who claim to be doctors or are shady doctors who prescribe controlled substances and other drugs. It's not just the Pharmacist's job to recognise and stop these occurances but also to ensure the doctor doesn't perscribe medications which would have negitive interactions with other medications. Rest assured, pharmacists know more about medications then physicians do. And they go to just about as much school. Their job is not to "just ... fill the prescription that was ordered by my physician." THAT is mostly what pharmacy technicians do (we do more, but not too much).
A pharmacist has the right to refuse to sell a product they find morally reprehensable, just like any other customer-oriented service has the right to refuse service. If the pharmacist refuses, there are two courses of action:
1. the customer takes their business elsewhere
2. if the pharmacist is not self-employed, their employer may chose to terminate their employment contract. Brauer was fired in 1996 after she refused to refill a prescription for birth-control pills at a Kmart in the Cincinnati suburb of Delhi Township.
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but it has no emotion, no thought and can't function and its not developed
So you're telling me that people with disabilities which result in their brain not fully developed as an adult, means they're not alive? They're not human? According to what you just said, thats true.
Also, if remember correctly, the heart is the first organ formed. I hate to break this to you, but it's been proven that life begins at coneption.
Regardless, you will never convince anyone of something held in personable belief and only observed from the outside. Until we can crawl up a uterus and say, "Hey! Zygote! You alive?" can we determine the assheadedness of peo- nevermind, that's mean and childish. You cannot force someone to share your beliefs.
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um, I never said Christians were the ones to prove that life begins at coneption. Scitentists have proven it, just don't remember where I saw/read that though, course it's been ages since I've heard that.
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Uschi said: Regardless, you will never convince anyone of something held in personable belief and only observed from the outside. Until we can crawl up a uterus and say, "Hey! Zygote! You alive?" can we determine the assheadedness of peo- nevermind, that's mean and childish. You cannot force someone to share your beliefs.
Wait a minute. Are you trying to tell me that because I've never had an abortion that I can't speak on this subject pro or con? That is the STUPIDEST thing I have ever heard.
No, I've never had an abortion, nor have I ever been pregnant, but that doesn't mean I don't have an opnion on the matter.
As for reasons for being pro life, there are plenty of people who feel abortion is murder regardless of religion.
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but it has no emotion, no thought and can't function and its not developed
So you're telling me that people with disabilities which result in their brain not fully developed as an adult, means they're not alive? They're not human? According to what you just said, thats true.
Also, if remember correctly, the heart is the first organ formed. I hate to break this to you, but it's been proven that life begins at coneption.
no that's not what i said. again, the egg its a undeveloped sack of cells that can't function and has no feeling or emotion. i didn't say a mental disabled person is uncapable of emotion or feeling, their perfectly cpable of both and their developed living organism.
well can you proven to me that the sack of cells which your calling life is developed, can functio, show emotion and can survive outsie the womb?
And, to be fair, one of my favorite friends there is blind and I take every opportunity available to make fun of that and we're still friends. That guy never fit there. He never got the spirit of the RKMBs. We're gonna keep an eye on the obits, see if he finally left or if he really did have a heart attack.
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Following are some excerpts from the book, approved by Planned Parenthood and SIECUS four years before the legalization of abortion:
"... at least one [sperm] will reach the egg, fertilize it, and conception will take place. A new life will begin." (page 15)
"... the egg which, if fertilized, gives rise to a new life." (page 3)
"From fertilization to delivery, mother and child are as one for approximately 266 days. At the end of the period the mother delivers the infant into the world ..." (page 3)
"However small it may be, the egg is about two thousand times as large as the sperm that must fertilize it. ...it carries the food the growing embryo will use during the first few days of its life." (page 26)
"The inherited characteristics of the baby to be born ... are determined by material within the egg and sperm ... each mature egg contains genetic material carrying the inheritable characteristics of the mother ... the child receives inherited characteristics from both parents." (page 50)
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no that's not what i said. again, the egg its a undeveloped sack of cells that can't function and has no feeling or emotion. i didn't say a mental disabled person is uncapable of emotion or feeling, their perfectly cpable of both and their developed living organism.
well can you proven to me that the sack of cells which your calling life is developed, can functio, show emotion and can survive outsie the womb?
This is an old and tired argument. People with dimished mental capacity can't function without the help of others. Same goes for new borns, babies, children in general.
ANd don't think that just because you don't hear them, babies inside the womb don't feel pain, don't scream when they're being killed. After all, a mother gets heartburn when the baby she's carrying has the hiccups. People can feel when a baby kicks inside the womb. Babies inside the womb react to outside things. JUST BECAUSE YOU CAN'T SEE OR HEAR THEM DOESN'T MEAN THEIR NOT LIVING BREATHING HUMAN BEINGS!
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but see, your crossing the line from fertal egg to fetus.
children babies and the handicapped have the ability to do things that even if they are minimual, THEIR DEVELOPED CELLS.
And, to be fair, one of my favorite friends there is blind and I take every opportunity available to make fun of that and we're still friends. That guy never fit there. He never got the spirit of the RKMBs. We're gonna keep an eye on the obits, see if he finally left or if he really did have a heart attack.
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So are fertilized eggs and fetuses, maybe not fully developed, but their STILL developed.
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Uschi said: Regardless, you will never convince anyone of something held in personable belief and only observed from the outside. Until we can crawl up a uterus and say, "Hey! Zygote! You alive?" can we determine the assheadedness of peo- nevermind, that's mean and childish. You cannot force someone to share your beliefs.
Wait a minute. Are you trying to tell me that because I've never had an abortion that I can't speak on this subject pro or con? That is the STUPIDEST thing I have ever heard.
Uh, no. That would be very stupid. Even moreso than even I can attain.
I'm saying you can argue when life starts to the end of the earth and not convince someone who believes differently than you. Life is mysterious. Are fire and viruses alive? Who knows. Are fertilized eggs? I think so, but who really KNOWS?
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and how exactly is a bag of chemicals developed? and how does that bag of chemicals have feeling or emotion?
And, to be fair, one of my favorite friends there is blind and I take every opportunity available to make fun of that and we're still friends. That guy never fit there. He never got the spirit of the RKMBs. We're gonna keep an eye on the obits, see if he finally left or if he really did have a heart attack.
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Way to go off topic people.  I could've sworn this was about Pharmacists and dispensing Birth Control Pills . . . not about when "life" begins.
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Way to go off topic people.
I could've sworn this was about Pharmacists and dispensing Birth Control Pills . . . not about when "life" begins.
Thread drift...
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I was in error. Uschi is right. The problem is that the pharmicist refused to return the script or transfer the script to another pharmacy. While the pharmacist's own moral code may prevent him/herself from filling a script, we are not to judge others. As long as birth control pills are legal (and they should be), the pharmacists has an obligation to transfer or return the script. If the pharmacist has a problem with the law, then there are other issues here.
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Let me bottom line it:
I think the owner of a pharmacy has the right to not seel any product he or she is personally against.
I think the customer has a right to take his or her business elsewhere.
I think the pharmacist had damn well better return the script if he or she won't fill it.
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Let me bottom line it:
I think the owner of a pharmacy has the right to not seel any product he or she is personally against.
I think the customer has a right to take his or her business elsewhere.
I think the pharmacist had damn well better return the script if he or she won't fill it.
WTF?
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but it has no emotion, no thought and can't function and its not developed
So you're telling me that people with disabilities which result in their brain not fully developed as an adult, means they're not alive? They're not human? According to what you just said, thats true.
Also, if remember correctly, the heart is the first organ formed. I hate to break this to you, but it's been proven that life begins at coneption.
ok now ur just sounding stupid, comparing a cell to a partially developed, though they are partially developed they can feel pain and they do have a certain amount of brain capacity, 2 cells do not. Cells are just protein and nucleic acid, they are not developed like humans, you cannot compare the 2. The next thing your gonna say is that masterbating is killing humans, since the cell sperm cell is "developed"
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And, to be fair, one of my favorite friends there is blind and I take every opportunity available to make fun of that and we're still friends. That guy never fit there. He never got the spirit of the RKMBs. We're gonna keep an eye on the obits, see if he finally left or if he really did have a heart attack.
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Dude, that post sitting out next to your avatar is just too damn creepy.
Anyways, I think Uschi has said it best here. The pharmacists are wrong when they won't give back scripts or recommend another pharmacy. Not for refusing to fill a script. Pharmacists don't just hand you bottle with fucking pills in them. They have a responsibility to their clients as well. I've known a lot of pharmacists who have refused to fill prescriptions because they realized that the drufs were either dangerous to a particular client's health due to preexisting conditions or because the drug whose company gave the doctor a nice trip to Cancun and did nothing to treat an ailment. They should be allowed to act on their own morals as long as they don't prevent someone from getting the script filled elsewhere. They hand out a shitload more than just birth control pills, after all.
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Dude, that post sitting out next to your avatar is just too damn creepy.
Not coming over, then?
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whomod said: I generally don't like it when people decide to play by the rules against people who don't play by the rules. It tends to put you immediately at a disadvantage and IMO is a sign of true weakness. This is true both in politics and on the internet." Our Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man said: "no, the doctor's right. besides, he has seniority."
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And, to be fair, one of my favorite friends there is blind and I take every opportunity available to make fun of that and we're still friends. That guy never fit there. He never got the spirit of the RKMBs. We're gonna keep an eye on the obits, see if he finally left or if he really did have a heart attack.
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This is the only problem: refusing to transfer a woman's prescription for birth-control pills to another druggist or to give the slip back to her.
"Their job is not to regulate what people take or do. It's just to fill the prescription that was ordered by my physician." Actually, their job partially IS to regulate wjat people take. Otherwise they can get sued and have their liscance revoked. There are people who claim to be doctors or are shady doctors who prescribe controlled substances and other drugs. It's not just the Pharmacist's job to recognise and stop these occurances but also to ensure the doctor doesn't perscribe medications which would have negitive interactions with other medications. Rest assured, pharmacists know more about medications then physicians do. And they go to just about as much school. Their job is not to "just ... fill the prescription that was ordered by my physician." THAT is mostly what pharmacy technicians do (we do more, but not too much).
A pharmacist has the right to refuse to sell a product they find morally reprehensable, just like any other customer-oriented service has the right to refuse service. If the pharmacist refuses, there are two courses of action:
1. the customer takes their business elsewhere
2. if the pharmacist is not self-employed, their employer may chose to terminate their employment contract. Brauer was fired in 1996 after she refused to refill a prescription for birth-control pills at a Kmart in the Cincinnati suburb of Delhi Township.
very good. i approve.
the issue i have is that birth control pills aren't always used as contraception. my ex-wif used to use birth control pills to regulate her cycle (without them she had her period once every two weeks...and that sucked) and missing a day would have been disastrous.
i can understand this pharmacist's dilemna, but she should have given people warning (a month at least), as Uschi said.
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Says the one involved in a debate about abortion in this very thread....
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i just don't wanna know bout JJ's swingers group.
And, to be fair, one of my favorite friends there is blind and I take every opportunity available to make fun of that and we're still friends. That guy never fit there. He never got the spirit of the RKMBs. We're gonna keep an eye on the obits, see if he finally left or if he really did have a heart attack.
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Upon reading this post, it's clear to me that my gal uses birth control for TWO reasons:
1) To regulate her period and a hormonal imbalance that causes ovarian cysts, among other things
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Upon reading this post, it's clear to me that my gal uses birth control for TWO reasons:
1) To regulate her period and a hormonal imbalance that causes ovarian cysts, among other things
Which is why I have a problem with what this pharmacist did. I don't think she took that into account, and she should know that better than anyone.
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No, I'm more of a Food Network guy. Iron Chef is one of my top ten favorite shows. Rachael Ray is too cute not to be my wife. "Good Eats" is fascinating TV. Emeril...well, I have a love/hate relationship with Emeril: local boy makes good, but why is a New Orleans chef from Fall River Massachusetts trying to be all New York? Good show though.
right on!
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1) To regulate her period and a hormonal imbalance that causes ovarian cysts, among other things
....yeah, had one, those kill. I'm alos surprised that wasn't taken into consideration.
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2) To ensure that my lame genes don't get passed on
just the thought scares me
And, to be fair, one of my favorite friends there is blind and I take every opportunity available to make fun of that and we're still friends. That guy never fit there. He never got the spirit of the RKMBs. We're gonna keep an eye on the obits, see if he finally left or if he really did have a heart attack.
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