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http://www.newsarama.com/DC/Countdown_more/Batman_Hello.htm


Fucking get the fucking AIDS obsessed fucking cunt off of all comics right now. Fucking no good hack should be publicly shamed for the fucking stunts he's pulled. Fucking liberal piece of shit. Leave AIDS out of comics, and keep Jason Todd dead you fucking ass.


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And finally, for those wondering, yes, Winick was reading Batman in 1988, and, when the time came, he called in and voted for Jason to live. 16 years later, he got his wish.





Fucking ass. The fans voted for him to die and stay dead. Fucking pompous ass. Stop ruining comics.


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Im afraid i agree here. Im actually for bringing JT back, but not as a reckless murderer like the current Red Hood apparently is

I was all for him returning when i saw the end of Batman #617, Todd stalking Batman and working under Ra's Al Ghul or Tommy would have been good, seems as though he's just a reckless mercenary now though, i dont even think he's obsessed with Batman or anything....?


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I'm hoping the whole infinite crisis thing will somehow erase this shit. Fucking Winick.


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Too early to tell about anything, though so far they've shown him to be anything but reckless.

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On the bright side, I have a lot more money at the end of every month, thanks to all the books that DC and Marvel are causing me to drop.

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I don't mind Winick trying to raise awareness about certain issues.

I just think he's undermining his own cause by doing it on every single book he does. It doesn't seem genuine anymore, but simply a stupid marketing ploy to stir up faux controversy and boost sales.

Exactly why I stopped reading Mark Millar's books.


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The only way Winnick could get worse is if he brought back Jason Todd and gave him AIDS.


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I don't like the idea of bringing anyone back, but I'm slowly learning to live with the idea that every comic book death is only temporary. That said, I mind it a lot less that he's coming back as a villain and hope they keep him that way.

Also, I think Winick is one of the better writers out there.

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The only way Winnick could get worse is if he brought back Jason Todd and gave him AIDS.




DAMMIT! Don't give him ideas!!!!

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I just think he's undermining his own cause by doing it on every single book he does. It doesn't seem genuine anymore, but simply a stupid marketing ploy to stir up faux controversy and boost sales.






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Winnick, you fucking asshole.

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I'm glad you all finally see things my way...next stop, Greg Rucka...


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How Winick, Grayson, and half the assholes who work on the Bat titles are writing professionally is beyond me.

I'm so glad I dropped the 346 Bat books years ago.

Fuckers.

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Rucka..too...


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I didn't read too much of his work, but I'll take your word for it.

Fucking Bat books. For every good Batman book or idea over the years, there's been 5 bad ones. Assholes.

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Aaaaaaaaaaaanyway, if you want a good laugh (or a good cry) check out the comments that the Batman zombies have posted on the message board about this farce.

No wonder rex taunted those idiots so much.

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jeez up to five pages already. I didnt even want to read some of the negative opinions im sure are on this board already. I just want to say Thank you if JUdd is reading this. Not since Oneil left and the no mans land saga ended has any of the batman books have been up to par. People understand the neccesity to move forward. All the stories of the pain and guilt Bruce felt for jason's death has been done. Now a whole new bunch of stories come out of him being alive. The last few pages with him beating on the joker brilliant. Sorry but unlike other resuurection this one is so far from trite. It is dynamic in its scope and it turns the whole bat universe upside down. The ramifications will effect Tim, Barbara, the joker , Dick, alfred as well as bruce. Again enjoy the ride people




http://newsarama.com/forums/showthread.p...mp;pagenumber=5

OK, I feel better now.

Go get this one, rex.

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“It was one of the things that myself, Bob Schreck, and Dan Didio talked about from the start,” Winick told Newsarama. “When I was taking over Batman, and after the initial arc, I said I wanted to do something big, and this is what I wanted to do.




This is what drives these damned soap opera melodrama comics. ...I wanted to do something big...

Why can't there be small? Most of my favorite Batman issues are one-shots. One shots totally unconnected to any other plotline. Thank Gob for Alan Grant's run on Batman. At least I have that.


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...next stop, Greg Rucka...




Even worse.

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Let it go, Pig Iron......let it go!

Whilst I don't think too much or Rucks writing, he is worlds better than Winnick.

I can only hope that this is not the real Jason todd or that it is his possessed carcas! The guy died, there was a body, he is dead dead dead!

If it is a fake...........nice original story telling, almost a year after Hush!


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Whilst I don't think too much or Rucks writing, he is worlds better than Winnick.




Better in some areas, bad in others. But both still can't write for shit.

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Let it go, Pig Iron......let it go!






never I say..I just don't like his stories they are boring and uninteresting...don't like any of his marvel stuff, his superman is bad, his batman is bad, gotham central is ok, and wonder woman is not good either..I don't know i think he's useless other than writing stuff like whiteout or novels...


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Actually, I really liked his stuff until right after NML. Him and Brubaker headed that project and it was great--It was the bloody peak of talent in the Batverse! Then a few months after, things went Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay down hill. All the new writers just took a major U-turn and started sucking. And if I didn't know any better, they were sucking on purpose!

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Whilst I don't think too much or Rucks writing, he is worlds better than Winnick.




Better in some areas, bad in others. But both still can't write for shit.




Agreed!

But Winnick has a special way of writing about kamphausen type characters - this is far more annoying for me than Rucksters shit!


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Let it go, Pig Iron......let it go!






never I say..I just don't like his stories they are boring and uninteresting...don't like any of his marvel stuff, his superman is bad, his batman is bad, gotham central is ok, and wonder woman is not good either..I don't know i think he's useless other than writing stuff like whiteout or novels...




dude, I don't disagree with you, I'm just worried! can you take any tablets for this? You're developing animalman tendencies!


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I agree that winick is worse...outsiders was the worst drivel i have ever read..if it wasn't for tom raney i wouldn't have made it 3 issues...

how can a competent writer mess up a book with arsenal, nightwing, jade, etc..?

Oh wait, Devin Grayson did that too...


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I agree that winick is worse...outsiders was the worst drivel i have ever read..if it wasn't for tom raney i wouldn't have made it 3 issues...

how can a competent writer mess up a book with arsenal, nightwing, jade, etc..?

Oh wait, Devin Grayson did that too...




that's what I'm saying.

Rucky is evil but Pips like Gayson, loebo and Winnich are eviler! Kamphausener evil!

...winich has been treading the line of shit to all out wank shit but his batman is surpassing all that! Jason Todd. That's not sraping the bottom of the barrell, he's gone thru the barrell and messing with indian burial ground shit!


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Oh wait, Devin Grayson did that too...




Her ghostrider was one of the worse things I have ever read!


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pretty fucking hard!


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Ok, I'll buy that, I'll even try wonder woman again when rags morales starts drawing it.. you drive a hard bargain..


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Oh wait, Devin Grayson did that too...




Her ghostrider was one of the worse things I have ever read!




OH. MY. GAWD.

Who's brilliant idea was it to put Grayson on Ghost Rider for fuck's sakes!?

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They even gave him starfire....what is the point of the uninteresting tattoo chick, and the weird japanese girl robot, and the daughter of black lightning could be cool if she wasn't written badly...

And how lame was his death of donna troy? that was pathetic...


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That's not true!

He's not right all the time like me!


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hmmm

i'm torn on this one.

i'm definately of the mind that bringing Jason Todd back from the dead is a bad idea. the original "Death in the Family" was a great tale and Todd's death was airtight. it's impact on Batman is still felt today, Todd's death being his greatest failure and all. this story doesn't need to be told, Todd was already more useful in death than in life.

that being said i was enjoying the books leading up to this revelation and i think that there just might be the possibility of a decent story coming out of this. call me naive, call me optimistic but i'm willing to admit that i might possibly be wrong about this storyline.

then again, Winnick (who has turned me off both Grren Lantern and Green Arrow) could screw this up really easy.

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And how lame was his death of donna troy? that was pathetic...




Right you are Pig Iron. I wasn't surprised to read that she's coming back from the dead.

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Sheesh . . . and people wonder why I'm not interested in reading any of the comics DC puts out.


I'm not sure why everyone is so upset about this most recent "development", I've been telling you people for a while now that these so-called "writers" are nothing but a bunch of talentless hacks who can barely put together a readable stunt let alone actually write a good story.

It's nice to see people can finally see what i've been talking about.


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Shut the fuck up. You hate all comics. We still like/love some of them. Sure there are some bad writers, but that doesn't mean all comics suck. Just because judd winick is a fucking AIDS propogandist, doesn't mean that Bendis sucks also.


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