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What character traits did he change in Superman and, if so, were those traits important to the character?
He completely turned Superman around. Pre-Crisis, Clark Kent was a goofy identity made up by Superman. Post-Crisis, Superman was the identity created by Clark. The self-confidence was the act, not the shyness.
As mentioned, Luthor was also completely reworked. Pre-Crisis Luthor hated Superman because he made him bald. Post-Crisis Luthor hated Superman for ridiculing him in front of the city and replacing him as its "saviour".
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On top of everything, if killing the Phantom Zone criminals was not a huge change in Supermans character, I dont know what was!
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On top of everything, if killing the Phantom Zone criminals was not a huge change in Supermans character, I dont know what was!
The killing of the Phantom Zone villains is the worst thing that Byrne did. Byrne claimed he did it so that Superman would formulate a code of ethics against killing. Pre-reboot, the code had been installed in Superman during his upbringing by Ma and Pa Kent, in Byrne's version, we're led to believe that Ma and Pa never taught Clark that killing is bad. Shouldn't that be considered a drastic change to his character right there?
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unless you irrgaydiated anyone can see that....
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Is Superman making a porno with Big Barda "gutting the mythos"?
reminds me of Byrne's bitching about KC and the rumors of Supes and WW having a kid out of wedlock.
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Again, while I think the "Big Barda" story was simply terrible on any number of levels, since it was a "mind controlled" Superman, I don't see how that "guts the mythos" any more than the dozens of stories over the years depicting a "mind controlled" Superman who does any number of unsavory or villainous acts.
Interestingly enough, the best support for a charge against Byrne that he damaged the mythos or was not true to the character is the fact he made Clark into something of a jock as opposed the "silver age bumbler" which, ironically, is a change that many of you seem to applaud.
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All of which does nothing to alter the fact that Byrne is being hypocritical in his criticisms of the film.
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Byrne also had an amnesiac Superman take a suggestive naked bath with Amazing Grace, implying that they had sex. He sure liked creating situations where Superman did "immoral" things... I remember another issue where he lost control of his powers and accidentally used his x-ray vision on not only Cat Grant, but her underage son!
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and now the reason g-man likes byrne is revealed!
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Interestingly enough, the best support for a charge against Byrne that he damaged the mythos or was not true to the character is the fact he made Clark into something of a jock as opposed the "silver age bumbler" which, ironically, is a change that many of you seem to applaud.
I don't applaud it.
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I would assume for the same reason I wouldn't. A lot of us think the "Clark/Superman dichotomy" is the heart and soul of the character. Without that, he's just a generic superhero with funny red underoos on the outside of his costume.
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