RKMBs Forums .::Important::. Fortress of Awesome Chat Nowhereman bones the hole in his mattrice

Come on, rob! He's begging you! He's tired and wants to leave.

That's right, I know nothing about him so I can't use his actual family against him. Thank you.

so if rex didnt know(im just saying) that whomod had a daugther he would be in the clear?

Ahhhhh. I think I see the disconnect here. I really should pay more attention to this thing.

See, what we objected to PRIMARILY was using whomod's daughter as an alt because 12 week old children can't defend themselves and picking on the innocent is a shitty thing to do in any instance

Then, SECONDARILY, the fact that it was a family member of whomod's that was being used.

Our THIRD objection was that whomod, one of our own, was being attacked. Not that he asked for the help, but again, we thought it was the right thing to do given the overall big picture.

Additionally, you RKMBers have to realize that the rules that apply at the Insurgency (i.e. family members are off limits, no hate posts, etc.) don't necessarily carry over to here. As I've mentioned before the Insurgency is run more like a democracy than anything else and while I can't link to the specific post (cause I don't know where the hell it is) where we discussed whether or not family members were off limits, there was one; or it was a poll, or the Admins and Mods got together and discussed it amongst themselves eventually issuing a proclamation from on high.

Also, just because my sensibilities are severly tweaked over the use of whomod's daughter, doesn't mean that Halo's or anyone else from my Insurgents feel the same way. The fact that they don't use such fodder on the I Boards is out of mutual respect for each other and the fact that the board, as a whole, decided that it was a ban worthy offense. I can't speak for anyone else here, but I'm here because I am a father of two and I know how I'd feel if some asshole on the internet attacked them when they were defenseless. So as not to garner hoots and calls of hypocrisy, in my Salutations thread, Uschi makes mention of fucking my son in the ass. This doesn't offend me as such, because even at the age of 10, my son is more than able to defend himself and, between the sense of humor he inherited from his mother, (a former stand-up comedienne and latina to boot), and I, my son's wit is drier than the best martini ever served and his sarcasm is pointed enough to penetrate an adamantium balloon. One of my proudest moments as a father was when, at the age of just two years old, my son pointed at my shirt and when I looked down, he ran his finger up and tweaked my nose. He was so advanced that at the age of 30 months he was doing "shave and a haircut" all by himself.

But I digress.

The mistake here is that you RKMBers are applying my personal morality and the morality foisted on Halo, Rellik, et al. by virtue of their posting at the Insurgency and following the rules that go with it.

My Insurgenst know how I feel about attacking a person's family members. If they choose to do it here, it's beyond my control or desire to squelch. It's nothing we discussed prior to our visiting here, it's just something I assumed was understood. I would be a fool to try and hamstring them that way; being outnumbered and on foreign turf is tough enough. Taking away one of their potentially more powerful tools would have been suicide.

Finally, as Rob is aware, when I learned that SOMEone made vulgar posts about Llance's unborn grandchild, I PMd him, apologized on behalf of the Insurgency, told him that if I could confirm it was one of my guys I would strongly encourage him/her to apologize as well. Additionally, I gave Llance my e-mail address and asked him to let me know when his grandchild is born so I could say a prayer for the baby's health and well-being at my Temple.

Zzap!

Well Rob, that's Zzap's opinion like you wanted. Big surprise, he gets it and you don't.

why don't you ask zap what he thinks of your actions?

family members are off limits {SNIP} we discussed whether or not family members were off limits, there was one; or it was a poll, or the Admins and Mods got together and discussed it amongst themselves eventually issuing a proclamation from on high.

My Insurgenst know how I feel about attacking a person's family members.

try to communicate with me here, w&c. the opinion that i was asking for was what zap thought of your actions. this is noted in my post here:



zap's reply to the question i posed is exactly as i suspected:



zap feels that family members are off limits, again as i suspected. its something he believes in. thus its a rule he enforces on the insurgency boards.

my question was not whether or not he permitted you to do so here -- i was just looking for clarification on what he thought of the actions of discussing family members.



while he goes on to say that he can't stop you here, his statements lead me and other communicators to believe he frowns upon your actions. not just because, as i believe, you are filled with dumb, but because you're hitting an action that you, as an insurgent, formerly declared you would not, something your respective leader (mob master?) has repeatedly expressed disgust with, even responding with such at your request.

this, again, is the illustration of how you've fallen.

that post seems familiar...

Perhaps he frowns on my actions

Does he lump all possible comments into the same catagory of bad?

That's right, I know nothing about him so I can't use his actual family against him. Thank you.

that seems like a forgone conclusion.



thats not what i was looking for.

and, honestly, if the conversation is drifting into the "which is worse, if i yell at your dad or yell at your son" realm, i dub it ridiculous.

The question is am I a hypocrite cause there's no difference between using children against parents and other family members against somebody.

Sorry to jump in, but, see, I could actually understand your point when I thought you were talking about an age thing... but now that you've clarified that it's an "emotional connection thing", well, your whole argument has gone to hell. Why? Because emotional connections are as subjective as it gets. Some people feel a connection to their pets that others will never feel for their sons. Hell, some people feel strongly connected to plants. Taking that into consideration, it's not hard to see how someone could have a strong emotional connection to their parents, especially considering the strong father-son link you've already mentioned.

Sorry, Halo. Better luck next time.

perhaps thats another question. the point i posed was that you were a hypocrite for attacking family members when that was something you, as an insurgent, agreed you wouldn't do.

if we're discussing a second question about which family members are more off limits... that is a silly argument. your kid might mean the world to you. or maybe your mother. or maybe your cousin. if someone doesn't have a child, are they free to pick on about everything, and only those with kids are shielded from topics? do adopted kids play out differently in this hierarchy? once your son or daughter hits 18, are they now ok? or 13, if they're jewish?

its a ridiculous differential that you can't ever make on someone else's behalf.

Actually...you just proved my point. See, now that it's as "subjective as it gets" me considering talking about a kid worse than a mother or a sister is completely legit.

Thanks Mxy.

and would also mean that, in some situations, your discussing a mother or fiance could be seen as worse than discussing a kid.

See the Insurgents as a whole never said anything about family.

And as Mxy said, it's completely subjective what value people put on there family members.

zap very clearly stated otherwise. at your request, no less.



which, as you agree to that, would mean that every single one of my examples stands correct.

shockingly another point dodge.

if jla were here, youdda earned yourself a barry sanders photo, w&c.

i'll see to it you receive it soon.

Actually...you just proved my point. See, now that it's as "subjective as it gets" me considering talking about a kid worse than a mother or a sister is completely legit.

Thanks Mxy.

shockingly another point dodge.

if jla were here, youdda earned yourself a barry sanders photo, w&c.

i'll see to it you receive it soon.

Oh, so we're not talking about what's right and what's wrong, but what YOU think is right and wrong. I thought your whole raid was based on the idea that morality isn't determined by the individual.

I'm sorry, it's just that I was under the impression that this was about someone insulting whomod. I should have realized that it's really about someone offending you. It's pretty telling that you acknowledge that a guy's connection to his mother could be deeper than someone's connection to their son, and yet you still consider all baby-jokes worse than momma-jokes because they offend YOUR personal beliefs.

No, he didn't say that. What he said is we don't say that at the Insurgency but it doesn't apply here.

Right. If we were to come here for a visit and there were rules about what could and couldn't be said, and we broke those rules, I'd expect us to get banned. But, since were going from a board that has a "no family" rule to one that doesn't, I don't see the moral ambiguity about Halo using family members if you guys do and if your board chooses to permit it.

I personally have no idea what he was talking about with that post/poll about not using family members.

My point was that no one, not even Iggy, unilaterally decided that we couldn't make posts disparaging family members. At some point there was a discussion or a poll put up or SOMETHING along those lines that indicated a majority of the Insurgents felt that attacking family members was something we didn't want to allow.

And no, your examples are not correct because you are trying to use MY sensibilities against me. You are trying to call me a hypocrite for going against what you say I said. So it doesn't matter what you value. Matters what I do.

I think the lowest thing a person can do is attack an innocent child.

It is. They insulted Whomod in a way I find personally deplorable. The two aren't mutually exclusive. But your post is pretty much off topic anyway.

Wait, so now you're saying that it's NOT something subjective? That ALL father-son relationships are deeper then son-mother ones? That's simply not true. As I explained before, that depends on the individual; NOT on what YOU think he feels, but on what the actual person feels. In this case that's Nowhereman, and as some of us know, his emotional connection to his mother is very deep. Who are you to say that whomod's connection to his daughter is deeper than that?

I don't like you guys so I must have a mental condition, right? Well, you guys have to fuck with my account so that must make you...pussies?

Actually, you said it was subjective first.

It is subjective, to me. That's how I feel. I think people are more likely to have stronger feelings about their kids and science backs me up. Is it possible somebody doesn't feel that way? Sure, but I think more the exception than the rule.

Who am I? I'm the guy who knows Whomod to be a good and Nowhereman to be an asshole. That's my opinion anyhow. And who the fuck are you to tell me whether or not I should think that?

Look, you wanna call me a jerk for what I said? Fine, go ahead. But hypocricy is out of the question cause I didn't come here because somebody made fun of Whomods family but because they took a very personal shot at Whomods daughter. If they had made a WHomod's mom alt or Whomod's sister alt it wouldn't have been a big deal to me cause it's commonplace to take a shot at them in my mind. Just like with you guys it's commonplace to sit around on the internet laughing at your super secret inside jokes.

Anyway, that's the best I can explain without this becoming a circular argument. I'm sure you can't/won't think outside of something black and white compartmentalization of right and wrong but "I don't give a fuck".

Frankly, the lengths you guys went to try and prove me a hypocrite is sad. Marginalizing child abuse

Yeah I know, you don't think you did that, but you did.

Funny thing is I didn't really insult Nowie's mom so much as I called him a pervert.