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From the same source as the cartoon I posted above, these two Youtubed tidbits:






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 Originally Posted By: Ultimate Jaburg53
But he couldn't beat Zimmerman had he stayed in his car.


Agreed! But the Rightwing Racists don't see justice. They just want to blame the unarmed black teenager and save their white murdering brother.

You know, it's one thing for you Rightwingers to push your political ideologies. It's something totally different to rush to any contingency in an effort to protect and defend a murderer of children.

You fucking suck. Seriously. Your inhuman desire to exonerate a bloodthirsty psycho like Zimmerman truly proves how little you have in common with your fellow humans. Go to hell you pathetic fucks. Especially you, G-Man. At least Dave has the balls to debate me. You're just a fucking old coward. Pathetic.

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Hey Dave, click on that link. Thanks, dumbass.;)


 Originally Posted By: the G-man
Zimmerman Had Cuts, Black Eyes After Shooting: Court records show George Zimmerman had a pair of black eyes, a nose fracture and two cuts to the back of his head after the fatal shooting of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin. The medical records were part of evidence released Tuesday that prosecutors have in the second-degree murder case against Zimmerman

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 Originally Posted By: Prometheus
 Originally Posted By: Ultimate Jaburg53
But he couldn't beat Zimmerman had he stayed in his car.


Agreed! But the Rightwing Racists don't see justice. They just want to blame the unarmed black teenager and save their white murdering brother.

You know, it's one thing for you Rightwingers to push your political ideologies. It's something totally different to rush to any contingency in an effort to protect and defend a murderer of children.

You fucking suck. Seriously. Your inhuman desire to exonerate a bloodthirsty psycho like Zimmerman truly proves how little you have in common with your fellow humans. Go to hell you pathetic fucks. Especially you, G-Man. At least Dave has the balls to debate me. You're just a fucking old coward. Pathetic.




All you have is the label "racist", with no facts to back up what you allege.

Perhaps between me and G-man, he is the wiser, to not try to reason with the unreasonable.


You constantly scream "white racist" despite that Zimmerman is very mixed race (including jewish, hispanic, native american and black) and identifies primarily as hispanic.

You ignore that Zimmerman has black friends and even black family members, and even tutors black kids.

Beyond Zimmerman, you also ignore that I began this topic siding with Trayvon Martin before the facts changed my opinion, and as I said repeatedly, I'm with-holding judgement till ALL the evidence is released. I only posted the above about Zimmerman's treatment for a broken nose and bruising on Trayvon Martin's knuckles to show that there is at least a case for self-defense, with arguably corroborating evidence.

Zimmerman didn't alone make this happen. By his account, he'd broken off following Martin, and was returning to his truck, when he was attacked without provocation by Martin.


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    EXACTLY what they accuse Republicans/conservatives of doing, is EXACTLY what liberals/Democrats do themselves, to those who oppose their beliefs.
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 Originally Posted By: Wonder Boy
Even from the ultra-liberal Huffington Post...


...evidence is being released that Zimmerman was treated for a broken nose and other injuries.
And that Trayvon Martin had bruises on his knuckles consistent with his punching someone.

What the article --of course!-- fails to do, is come right out and say that the evidence released supports Zimmerman's account of events, that he was attacked by Trayvon Martin. And injuries to both of them support that account.


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 Originally Posted By: Prometheus
 Originally Posted By: Ultimate Jaburg53
But he couldn't beat Zimmerman had he stayed in his car.


Agreed! But the Rightwing Racists don't see justice. They just want to blame the unarmed black teenager and save their white murdering brother.

You know, it's one thing for you Rightwingers to push your political ideologies. It's something totally different to rush to any contingency in an effort to protect and defend a murderer of children.

You fucking suck. Seriously. Your inhuman desire to exonerate a bloodthirsty psycho like Zimmerman truly proves how little you have in common with your fellow humans. Go to hell you pathetic fucks. Especially you, G-Man. At least Dave has the balls to debate me. You're just a fucking old coward. Pathetic.


As much as I think Zimmerman is in the wrong in this, I still don't believe he was "bloodthirsty" or racially motivated.

I do think he was probably an asshole who was playing cop.

I think the fight happened because they were both afraid of each other. Both guys probably thought the other was going to mug them.

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 Originally Posted By: Prometheus
 Originally Posted By: G-Racist
www.FOXNEWS.com


Hey look, objectivity!

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So, let's check the math again....

Armed white civilian stalks unarmed black child, even after he was told not to by the authorities. He shoots the child because....well, I guess because the kid was going to pull a bag of skittles on him. Either way, he was racially motivated (FACT) and he murdered an innocent, unarmed child (FACT).

The blood is on the hands of every coward that attempts to validate this murderer. (FACT)

Yep. Same math. Rightwing is more concerned with saving their white brother than actual justice for the dead child. Your hearts are exactly in the right place, you pathetic fucks.

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BTW, that cartoon that Dave is trying to pass off as Huffington Post is actually from http://reasonradionetwork.com/, a Rightwing nutjob base. Objectivity, as ever, is WB's specialty.... \:lol\:

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 Originally Posted By: Prometheus
So, let's check the math again....

Armed white civilian stalks unarmed black child, even after he was told not to by the authorities. He shoots the child because....well, I guess because the kid was going to pull a bag of skittles on him. Either way, he was racially motivated (FACT) and he murdered an innocent, unarmed child (FACT).

The blood is on the hands of every coward that attempts to validate this murderer. (FACT)

Yep. Same math. Rightwing is more concerned with saving their white brother than actual justice for the dead child. Your hearts are exactly in the right place, you pathetic fucks.


How do you account for Zimmerman's injuries?

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 Originally Posted By: Ultimate Jaburg53
How do you account for Zimmerman's injuries?


He didn't look "injured" to me in that smiling pic of his. But, then again, if he doesn't have a corresponding bullet hole in him, it really doesn't matter now does it?

Gun > Fist. Grown Armed Man > Unarmed Teen. The math is always the same. It's technicalities created by politicians and lawyers that prevent people from seeking actual justice. Welcome to the 21st century American legal system...

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I don't think this shooting had anything to do with race, and it probably had nothing to do with the politics of either one.

Owning a firearm isn't strictly republican.

Zimmerman also wasn't white.

So even if he did stalk Martin because Martin was black, it doesn't magically change Zimmerman's DNA and family history no matter who shot who.

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 Originally Posted By: Prometheus
 Originally Posted By: Ultimate Jaburg53
How do you account for Zimmerman's injuries?


He didn't look "injured" to me in that smiling pic of his. But, then again, if he doesn't have a corresponding bullet hole in him, it really doesn't matter now does it?

Gun > Fist. Grown Armed Man > Unarmed Teen. The math is always the same. It's technicalities created by politicians and lawyers that prevent people from seeking actual justice. Welcome to the 21st century American legal system...


How do you account for the medical reports of his injuries?

Which smiling pic did you see, how much time had past since the shooting?

I haven't seen the pic.

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 Originally Posted By: Prometheus
BTW, that cartoon that Dave is trying to pass off as Huffington Post is actually from http://reasonradionetwork.com/, a Rightwing nutjob base. Objectivity, as ever, is WB's specialty.... \:lol\:


Dude.

It's a political cartoon.

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Pro,

CNN,MSNBC are also reporting on the George Zimmerman medical records.

The medical records report a broken nose, two black eyes,(which are usually consitant with a broken nose.)and injuries to the back of his head.

Why would you compare the hospitals medical records to some picture you saw?

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Oh the "white" part is open to debate. But, I'll play it your way...

 Originally Posted By: Prometheus
Armed adult civilian stalks unarmed black child, even after he was told not to by the authorities. He shoots the child because....well, I guess because the kid was going to pull a bag of skittles on him. Either way, he murdered an innocent, unarmed child.

The blood is on the hands of every coward that attempts to validate this murderer.


Yep. Same math. Now, why did Zimmerman stalk this child? Was it because he didn't at all look suspicious? Was Zimmerman stalking women pushing their cribs through the neighborhood? Was he following, armed with a pistol, the elderly as they passed his neighborhood? OR...was it because a black kid wearing a hoodie immediately fired up his suspicious meter? Enough to force him stalk the teen, contrary to being instructed not to by the authorities? The answer is YES. He targeted this kid because he profiled him.

Ignoring the obvious facts of motivation makes people trying to defend his actions come off as not only naive and clueless, but willfully ignorant of reality. They'd much rather play dumb and give the killer a break, than actually admit that violent, dangerous racism exists. Mainly because, I sincerely believe, they recognize similar traits in themselves and can't come to grips with their own inherited hate and prejudice. It's textbook 101. It's why the Republicans hate education. It shines too brightly on their antiquated power-lust of class dominance. Simple, really.

It's all right there in front of you. You just have to be willing to set aside your own fears and acknowledge the problems we haven't fixed in our supposedly "advanced" society...

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 Originally Posted By: Prometheus
So, let's check the math again....

Armed white civilian stalks unarmed black child, even after he was told not to by the authorities. He shoots the child because....well, I guess because the kid was going to pull a bag of skittles on him. Either way, he was racially motivated (FACT) and he murdered an innocent, unarmed child (FACT).

The blood is on the hands of every coward that attempts to validate this murderer. (FACT)

Yep. Same math. Rightwing is more concerned with saving their white brother than actual justice for the dead child. Your hearts are exactly in the right place, you pathetic fucks.


You know who's a pathetic fuck? You are.

I said in my opening post that this was a random absurdity that had nothing to do with race, before the usual assholes in the media, including Obama and the Dems, chose to exploit it and turn it racial.

To say those who disagree with your point-of-view are "racist" and "defending their white brother", when the shooter is multi-racial --including black-- and primarily identifies himself as hispanic, is just beyond ridiculous.

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 Originally Posted By: Wonder Boy
 Originally Posted By: Prometheus
BTW, that cartoon that Dave is trying to pass off as Huffington Post is actually from http://reasonradionetwork.com/, a Rightwing nutjob base. Objectivity, as ever, is WB's specialty.... \:lol\:


Dude.

It's a political cartoon.


And you're the one that shot off his mouth and called me a dumbass, when I wasn't even talking about YOUR post. So, suck it Lothar.

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 Originally Posted By: Ultimate Jaburg53
Pro,

CNN,MSNBC are also reporting on the George Zimmerman medical records.

The medical records report a broken nose, two black eyes,(which are usually consitant with a broken nose.)and injuries to the back of his head.

Why would you compare the hospitals medical records to some picture you saw?


And if some crazy-ass guy came waving a pistol at me after stalking me through the night, I'm pretty sure I'd try to hurt him, too.

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Why are you guys soooo desperate to exonerate a murderer?? I'm incredibly baffled that you cannot see the inherent injustice in gunning down an UNARMED TEENAGER?! I mean, for FUCKS SAKE, guys!! This isn't politics! This is a dead son! A DEAD child! Is this how you deal with all the soldiers that died for oil in the Middle East? All the grieving mothers and fathers and husbands and wives? You just stick your fingers in your ears and "LALALALALALALALALALA"??

For gods sake. What happened to basic human empathy?

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 Originally Posted By: Wonder Boy
 Originally Posted By: Prometheus
So, let's check the math again....

Armed white civilian stalks unarmed black child, even after he was told not to by the authorities. He shoots the child because....well, I guess because the kid was going to pull a bag of skittles on him. Either way, he was racially motivated (FACT) and he murdered an innocent, unarmed child (FACT).

The blood is on the hands of every coward that attempts to validate this murderer. (FACT)

Yep. Same math. Rightwing is more concerned with saving their white brother than actual justice for the dead child. Your hearts are exactly in the right place, you pathetic fucks.


PRO USED FACTS TO POINT OUT MY INHERENT RACISM AND I CAN'T BEAT HIM SO


\:lol\: Always the same with you, isn't it redneck?

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 Originally Posted By: Prometheus
 Originally Posted By: Wonder Boy
 Originally Posted By: Prometheus
BTW, that cartoon that Dave is trying to pass off as Huffington Post is actually from http://reasonradionetwork.com/, a Rightwing nutjob base. Objectivity, as ever, is WB's specialty.... \:lol\:


Dude.

It's a political cartoon.


And you're the one that shot off his mouth and called me a dumbass, when I wasn't even talking about YOUR post. So, suck it Lothar.


You were talking about the article I linked, and you alleged it was Fox News, when it was clearly HuffingtonPost.

Who's the dumbass?

Your insults and allegations of "white racist" motivation fly in clear opposition to the facts.


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    EXACTLY what they accuse Republicans/conservatives of doing, is EXACTLY what liberals/Democrats do themselves, to those who oppose their beliefs.
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 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
Yeah I can understand why the cops were not buying his story.



Doesn't look broken to me. How fast do black eyes heal?

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 Originally Posted By: Wonder Boy
 Originally Posted By: Prometheus
 Originally Posted By: Wonder Boy
 Originally Posted By: Prometheus
BTW, that cartoon that Dave is trying to pass off as Huffington Post is actually from http://reasonradionetwork.com/, a Rightwing nutjob base. Objectivity, as ever, is WB's specialty.... \:lol\:


Dude.

It's a political cartoon.


And you're the one that shot off his mouth and called me a dumbass, when I wasn't even talking about YOUR post. So, suck it Lothar.


You were talking about the article I linked, and you alleged it was Fox News, when it was clearly HuffingtonPost.

Who's the dumbass?


YOU are.

Goddamit David. Go back to the post where I quoted G-MAN.....not you. PLEASE try and keep up, okay?

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 Originally Posted By: Prometheus
 Originally Posted By: G-Racist
www.FOXNEWS.com


Hey look, objectivity!

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 Originally Posted By: Prometheus
 Originally Posted By: Prometheus
 Originally Posted By: G-Racist
www.FOXNEWS.com


Hey look, objectivity!

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 Originally Posted By: Prometheus
 Originally Posted By: Prometheus
 Originally Posted By: Prometheus
 Originally Posted By: G-Racist
www.FOXNEWS.com


Hey look, objectivity!

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 Originally Posted By: Wonder Boy
 Originally Posted By: Prometheus
 Originally Posted By: G-Racist
www.FOXNEWS.com


Hey look, objectivity!


HuffingtonPost is not "Fox News", dumbass.


 Originally Posted By: Prometheus
Hey Dave, click on that link. Thanks, dumbass.;)


 Originally Posted By: the G-man
Zimmerman Had Cuts, Black Eyes After Shooting: Court records show George Zimmerman had a pair of black eyes, a nose fracture and two cuts to the back of his head after the fatal shooting of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin. The medical records were part of evidence released Tuesday that prosecutors have in the second-degree murder case against Zimmerman

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 Originally Posted By: Prometheus
Why are you guys soooo desperate to exonerate a murderer?? I'm incredibly baffled that you cannot see the inherent injustice in gunning down an UNARMED TEENAGER?! I mean, for FUCKS SAKE, guys!! This isn't politics! This is a dead son! A DEAD child! Is this how you deal with all the soldiers that died for oil in the Middle East? All the grieving mothers and fathers and husbands and wives? You just stick your fingers in your ears and "LALALALALALALALALALA"??

For gods sake. What happened to basic human empathy?


What happened to "innocent until proven guilty"?

And the right to your own opinion? Which, by the way, the new evidence, as I said does not by itself prove, but clearly supports the scenario as presented by Zimmerman, and two witnesses.

It seems to me you want to lynch Zimmerman just to forward your partisan liberal agenda, to paint white conservatives as all racists. Except the facts don't support that eaither. As I posted earlier, Zimmerman is a registered Democrat. And is white, black, hispanic and native american, and identifies himself as hispanic, not white.

He also has black family members, and tutors minority kids, that includes black kids. He may be guilty of something, but not racism. Any more than people are racist to think Zimmerman was defending himself. There is forensic evidence that Zimmerman was injured by Martin, and bruised knuckles on Martin that indicate he inflicted Zimmerman's treated injuries.





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 Originally Posted By: Prometheus
 Originally Posted By: Wonder Boy
 Originally Posted By: Prometheus
 Originally Posted By: G-Racist
www.FOXNEWS.com


Hey look, objectivity!


HuffingtonPost is not "Fox News", dumbass.


 Originally Posted By: Prometheus
Hey Dave, click on that link. Thanks, dumbass.;)


 Originally Posted By: the G-man
Zimmerman Had Cuts, Black Eyes After Shooting: Court records show George Zimmerman had a pair of black eyes, a nose fracture and two cuts to the back of his head after the fatal shooting of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin. The medical records were part of evidence released Tuesday that prosecutors have in the second-degree murder case against Zimmerman


Smoke and distraction on your part, Pro.

You're just being a jerk and a liar. As usual. Fanatically slandering those who disagree with you, out of pure spitefulness.


You know who has hate and blackness in his soul, Pro?
You do.

The rest of us are waiting for the full evidence before we judge Zimmerman or anyone else.

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 Originally Posted By: Wonder Boy
 Originally Posted By: Prometheus
Why are you guys soooo desperate to exonerate a murderer?? I'm incredibly baffled that you cannot see the inherent injustice in gunning down an UNARMED TEENAGER?! I mean, for FUCKS SAKE, guys!! This isn't politics! This is a dead son! A DEAD child! Is this how you deal with all the soldiers that died for oil in the Middle East? All the grieving mothers and fathers and husbands and wives? You just stick your fingers in your ears and "LALALALALALALALALALA"??

For gods sake. What happened to basic human empathy?


...opinion...you want to lynch Zimmerman just to forward your partisan liberal agenda, to paint white conservatives as all racists...Democrat.....And is not white....he also has black family members...


Math is the same, you broken record. No amount of "LIBERAL AGENDA" changes anything. He racially profiled the kid. He stalked him against the orders of the authorities. He executed an unarmed child based on racial prejudice. Fact, you apologist.

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 Originally Posted By: Prometheus
Oh the "white" part is open to debate. But, I'll play it your way...

 Originally Posted By: Prometheus
Armed adult civilian stalks unarmed black child, even after he was told not to by the authorities. He shoots the child because....well, I guess because the kid was going to pull a bag of skittles on him. Either way, he murdered an innocent, unarmed child.

The blood is on the hands of every coward that attempts to validate this murderer.


Yep. Same math. Now, why did Zimmerman stalk this child? Was it because he didn't at all look suspicious? Was Zimmerman stalking women pushing their cribs through the neighborhood? Was he following, armed with a pistol, the elderly as they passed his neighborhood? OR...was it because a black kid wearing a hoodie immediately fired up his suspicious meter? Enough to force him stalk the teen, contrary to being instructed not to by the authorities? The answer is YES. He targeted this kid because he profiled him.

Ignoring the obvious facts of motivation makes people trying to defend his actions come off as not only naive and clueless, but willfully ignorant of reality. They'd much rather play dumb and give the killer a break, than actually admit that violent, dangerous racism exists. Mainly because, I sincerely believe, they recognize similar traits in themselves and can't come to grips with their own inherited hate and prejudice. It's textbook 101. It's why the Republicans hate education. It shines too brightly on their antiquated power-lust of class dominance. Simple, really.

It's all right there in front of you. You just have to be willing to set aside your own fears and acknowledge the problems we haven't fixed in our supposedly "advanced" society...


I'm not defending Zimmerman at all, I'm just trying to correct your misinformation.

I completely agree Zimmerman was in the wrong, but I don't think he got out of his car with the intention of killing somebody.

That in now way excuses that it did happen.

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 Originally Posted By: Wonder Boy
 Originally Posted By: Prometheus
 Originally Posted By: Wonder Boy
 Originally Posted By: Prometheus
 Originally Posted By: G-Racist
www.FOXNEWS.com


Hey look, objectivity!


HuffingtonPost is not "Fox News", dumbass.


 Originally Posted By: Prometheus
Hey Dave, click on that link. Thanks, dumbass.;)


 Originally Posted By: the G-man
Zimmerman Had Cuts, Black Eyes After Shooting: Court records show George Zimmerman had a pair of black eyes, a nose fracture and two cuts to the back of his head after the fatal shooting of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin. The medical records were part of evidence released Tuesday that prosecutors have in the second-degree murder case against Zimmerman


Smoke and distraction on your part, Pro.

You're just being a jerk and a liar.


AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAA!!!!!! \:lol\: \:lol\: \:lol\: \:lol\: \:lol\: \:lol\:

Dave is actually trying to say the fact that he FUCKED UP means it's "smoke and distraction"!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! \:lol\: \:lol\:

What a coward you are...

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 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
Yeah I can understand why the cops were not buying his story.



Doesn't look broken to me. How fast do black eyes heal?


I believe, but I'm not positive, that this photo was taken weeks, maybe over a month after the shooting at Zimmerman's arraignment.

Also, we are talking about medical records from the hospital on Zimmerman's injuries, not just off of somebody's word. The news organizations now have copies of these documents.

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Yeah I can understand why the cops were not buying his story.



Doesn't look broken to me. How fast do black eyes heal?


I believe, but I'm not positive, that this photo was taken weeks, maybe over a month after the shooting at Zimmerman's arraignment.

Also, we are talking about medical records from the hospital on Zimmerman's injuries, not just off of somebody's word. The news organizations now have copies of these documents.


http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/04/george_zimmerman_bond_hearing_trayvon.php

That pic is from this article on this website, posted in April.

The photo says it was taken April 20th.

The shooting was Feb 27th.

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Gun > Fist. Grown Armed Man > Unarmed Teen. The math is always the same.

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 Originally Posted By: Prometheus
Why are you guys soooo desperate to exonerate a murderer?? I'm incredibly baffled that you cannot see the inherent injustice in gunning down an UNARMED TEENAGER?! I mean, for FUCKS SAKE, guys!! This isn't politics! This is a dead son! A DEAD child! Is this how you deal with all the soldiers that died for oil in the Middle East? All the grieving mothers and fathers and husbands and wives? You just stick your fingers in your ears and "LALALALALALALALALALA"??

For gods sake. What happened to basic human empathy?

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 Originally Posted By: G-Racist
www.FOXNEWS.com


Hey look, objectivity!


HuffingtonPost is not "Fox News", dumbass.


 Originally Posted By: Prometheus
Hey Dave, click on that link. Thanks, dumbass.;)


 Originally Posted By: the G-man
Zimmerman Had Cuts, Black Eyes After Shooting: Court records show George Zimmerman had a pair of black eyes, a nose fracture and two cuts to the back of his head after the fatal shooting of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin. The medical records were part of evidence released Tuesday that prosecutors have in the second-degree murder case against Zimmerman


Smoke and distraction on your part, Pro.

You're just being a jerk and a liar.


AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAA!!!!!! \:lol\: \:lol\: \:lol\: \:lol\: \:lol\: \:lol\:



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Oh god, that's still killing me. \:lol\: I wish I could frame the desperation. The on Dave's part.

It's okay, Lothar. I know shit moves fast for someone of your age and temperament. Don't get angry. Just let it go and we will call it a foul ball, okay?

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Pro, you don't think you could ever be beaten up by a teenager?

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Pro, if Zimmerman had just shot Martin in the back of the head, and went just went back to his own car safe and sound to masturbate until the police arrived, maybe I would be on your side.

But this wasn't an execution, it was an altercation that escalated to a death.

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