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The New York Times

    The American military is holding at least four Iranians in Iraq, including men the Bush administration called senior military officials, who were seized in a pair of raids late last week aimed at people suspected of conducting attacks on Iraqi security forces.

    Gordon D. Johndroe, the spokesman for the National Security Council, said two Iranian diplomats were among those initially detained in the raids. The two had papers showing that they were accredited to work in Iraq, and he said they were turned over to the Iraqi authorities and released. He confirmed that a group of other Iranians, including the military officials, remained in custody while an investigation continued, and he said, "We continue to work with the government of Iraq on the status of the detainees."

    It was unclear what kind of evidence American officials possessed that the Iranians were planning attacks, and the officials would not identify those being held. One official said that "a lot of material" was seized in the raid, but would not say if it included arms or documents that pointed to planning for attacks. Much of the material was still being examined, the official said.


Don't worry, though. We have it on no less an authority than the Iraq Study Group that Iran wants stability in Iraq. So I'm sure this is all perfectly innocent.

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The Israeli government is denying earlier reports that it has drafted plans for "a low-level nuclear strike on Iran to wipe out its uranium enrichment facilities."

Of course, if Israel, or any government, was planning this, it seems unlikely they would want to admit it.

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Whose side is Harry Reid on?

    Democratic leaders in Congress lobbed a warning shot Friday at the White House not to launch an attack against Iran without first seeking approval from lawmakers.

    "The president does not have the authority to launch military action in Iran without first seeking congressional authorization," Senate Democratic leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., told the National Press Club.


I suppose if you believe that the consequences of attacking Iran would be worse than the consequences of Iran going nuclear (and probably nuking Israel), it makes sense to block an attack however possible.

However, if we can't credibly threaten military action, then retarding the Iranians' nuclear progress through diplomacy--which is what the Democrats claim to want--becomes absolutely impossible. You need the carrot and the stick.

If they can't bring themselves to give the President an authorization at this point for an attack on Iran, can the Democratic leadership at least refrain from loudly proclaiming their intention to block it?

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Perhaps they feel that in the past Bush hasn't always had quite as much evidence as he claimed and they simply wish to make sure he follows proper procedure?

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Which would be a legitimate reason to go to the President and say privately 'listen, George, this is what we expect...' However, by making a public statement, it effectively undercuts the country's postion during negotiationas. Why should Iran pay attention if its heard Reid say that the Senate will not back the President?

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Which would be a legitimate reason to go to the President and say privately 'listen, George, this is what we expect...' However, by making a public statement, it effectively undercuts the country's postion during negotiationas. Why should Iran pay attention if its heard Reid say that the Senate will not back the President?



yeah! how dare we have a working democracy!


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How is it not a working democracy for the Senate leader to have a frank discussion with the President in private, as opposed to a granstanding statement that hurts our diplomatic efforts?

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How is it not a working democracy for the Senate leader to have a frank discussion with the President in private, as opposed to a granstanding statement that hurts our diplomatic efforts?



i can see your point. but this is Bush's fault. He spent years with signing statements, pissing on the constitution, and basically saying the president is above the congress. So now the congress is playing by the new rules he set down.


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the GOP did this to Clinton a few times too......I hope this shit ends in 2008 whoever wins.....but it won't.

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i can see your point. but this is Bush's fault. He spent years with signing statements, pissing on the constitution




Even assuming that were to be the case, and I do not concede it to be, is it really your position that the democrats should let Iran go nuclear just to play "tit for tat" with the President?

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Would he have it any other way?


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i can see your point. but this is Bush's fault. He spent years with signing statements, pissing on the constitution




Even assuming that were to be the case, and I do not concede it to be, is it really your permission that the democrats should let Iran go nuclear just to play "tit for tat" with the President?





"Bush's fault. Bush's fault. BGAWWWWKK!!"


Geez man. Don't you guys ever let up?

You never miss an opportunity to absolve Democrats of blame, by demonizing Republicans and blaming it all on them.

Bush is not the first Republican you guys have demonized. If he was, I might say your attitude is an abberation caused by Bush.
How about acknowledging that the Carter and Clinton administrations might have just had maybe the teensy-est hand in causing global security issues in Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, North Korea, China, and elsewhere?


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    Liberals who bemoan discrimination, intolerance, restraint of Constitutional freedoms, and promotion of hatred toward various abberant minorities, have absolutely no problem with discriminating against, being intolerant of, restricting Constitutional freedoms of, and directing hate-filled scapegoat rhetoric against conservatives.

    EXACTLY what they accuse Republicans/conservatives of doing, is EXACTLY what liberals/Democrats do themselves, to those who oppose their beliefs.
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And, on the heels of Reid's announcement, comes the news that Iran plans to Test-Fire Missiles in Military Exercises

    Iran plans three days of military maneuvers, including short-range missile tests, beginning Sunday — its first since the U.N. Security Council imposed sanctions against it in late December, state-run television said.

    Sunday's maneuvers are to be the first by Iran since the U.N. Security Council imposed limited sanctions on the country on Dec. 23, banning selling materials and technology that could be used in Iran's nuclear and missile programs and freezing assets abroad of 10 Iranian companies and individuals.


I'm sure the timing is completely coincidental.


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'PROOF' OF IRAN'S ROLE

    The United States will present evidence of Iranian agents' hostile activities in Iraq soon

    A number of Iranian officials have been detained in U.S. raids in the past month, and U.S. Ambassador to Iraq Zalmay Khalilzad told reporters that the accusations against them would be made public soon.

    Washington accuses Iran of helping arm, train and fund Iraqi militants.


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    The U.S. ambassador said yesterday that one of the Iranians detained by U.S. forces in Iraq during two raids over the past month was the director of operations for Iran's Revolutionary Guard Quds faction, the organization responsible for funding and arming Iraqi terrorists.

    At least eight Iranians have been detained in Iraq recently, including two diplomats in a Dec. 21 roundup of a group of 10 suspects. The diplomats were interrogated and released to Iranian officials eight days later.

    Six others were captured Jan. 11 at an Iranian liaison office in the northern city of Irbil. One was released and five are still believed in U.S. custody.

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Democratic leaders in Congress lobbed a warning shot Friday at the White House not to launch an attack against Iran without first seeking approval from lawmakers...

if we can't credibly threaten military action, then retarding the Iranians' nuclear progress through diplomacy--which is what the Democrats claim to want--becomes absolutely impossible. You need the carrot and the stick.

If they can't bring themselves to give the President an authorization at this point for an attack on Iran, can the Democratic leadership at least refrain from loudly proclaiming their intention to block it?




And, on the heels of the Democrats preemptive surrender comes the news that Iran is going to assemble thousands of centrifuges, in an underground facility starting next month.

Again, I'm sure the timing is completely coincidental.

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Praise Allah and his allies Clinton, Reid and Obama!

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Iran wants senior atom inspector out

    Iran, cranking up a war of nerves with the West, has demanded the removal of the official running U.N. nuclear inspections, diplomats said on Friday.

    Tehran’s move, following a ban on 38 inspectors from four major Western nations announced on Monday, appeared aimed at testing Western resolve over its disputed nuclear activity while stopping short of violating the Non-Proliferation Treaty


Again, thanks to Harry Reid for helping inspire Iran's confidence that they can get away with this.

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Iranian Nuclear Scientist 'Assassinated'

    Israeli security service, Mossad, may have killed prize-winning physicist who worked at plant where uranium gas is produced

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    Israeli security service, Mossad, may have killed prize-winning physicist who worked at plant where uranium gas is produced







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Democratic leaders in Congress lobbed a warning shot Friday at the White House not to launch an attack against Iran without first seeking approval from lawmakers...

if we can't credibly threaten military action, then retarding the Iranians' nuclear progress through diplomacy--which is what the Democrats claim to want--becomes absolutely impossible. You need the carrot and the stick.

If they can't bring themselves to give the President an authorization at this point for an attack on Iran, can the Democratic leadership at least refrain from loudly proclaiming their intention to block it?




And, on the heels of the Democrats preemptive surrender comes the news that Iran is going to assemble thousands of centrifuges, in an underground facility starting next month.

Again, I'm sure the timing is completely coincidental.




Add Hillary Diane Rodham Clinton to the list of Democratic Senators publicly supporting Iran's nuclear bid:

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    It would be a mistake of historical proportion if the administration thought that the 2002 resolution authorizing force against Iraq was a blank check for the use of force against Iran without further Congressional authorization.

    Nor should the president think that the 2002 resolution authorizing force after the terrorist attacks of 9/11 in any way authorizes force against Iran. If the administration believes that any, any use of force against Iran is necessary, the president must come to Congress to seek that authority.


Hillary Clinton




So, now the 2008 Democratic frontrunner has publicly told Iran that Bush may not have the authority to attack them if they continue building a nuclear weapon.

Good show, Hillary.

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MAG: U.S. IS ALREADY INSIDE IRAN

    A Pentagon panel has been created to plan a potential bombing attack in Iran - and some troops have already entered the country, chasing Iranian operatives, according to a report in The New Yorker

    The panel initially focused on destroying Iran's nuclear facilities and on regime change.

    It has more recently been directed to identify Iranian targets that may be involved in supplying or aiding militants in Iraq, according to an Air Force adviser and a Pentagon consultant

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That article says: The article, citing unnamed current and former U.S. officials, also said the Bush administration had received unconfirmed intelligence from Israel that Iran had developed an intercontinental missile capable of reaching targets in Europe.

Well, this is old news if you read Jane's or any of a bazillion other defense or military source magazines. The Russians and have been giving (selling) the Iranians missile technology for a looong time, and they had this capability at least 1 year ago.

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U.N. Security Council Fails To Agree on Iran Sanctions

    U.S. and Europe call for tougher measures than Russia and China are willing to accept in meeting at Britain's U.N. Mission


Meanwhile, Iran Issues Bank Note With Nuke Symbol Amid Standoff

Maybe we should just strike first and wipe them off the map.

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Meanwhile, Iran Issues Bank Note With Nuke Symbol Amid Standoff

Maybe we should just strike first and wipe them off the map.





Iran's new bank note combines 3 thematic images and colors:
  • a nuclear symbol,
  • colors evocative of a nuclear explosion,
  • and Koran prophecy of Islamic global dominance through
    "Science".
Clearly expressing the radical intent to use nuclear weapons
for violent Jihad.

An Iran that is already the world's largest exporter of islamic terrorism and
suicide bombers.


And yet liberals are afraid that Bush is a Christian who believes in
Armageddon?

Would that they held a far more radical Iran to the same standard, a nation
with a far clearer intent to move the world toward Armageddon.



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Iran's Top Leader: We Will Pursue Nuclear Activities Regardless of Sanctions

    Iran's top leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei warned on Wednesday that the country will pursue nuclear activities outside international regulations if the U.N. Security Council insists it stop uranium enrichment.

    "Until today, what we have done has been in accordance with international regulations," Khamenei said. "But if they take illegal actions, we too can take illegal actions and will do so."

    Iran's top leader also issued a stark warning to the United States, saying Iran will "use all its capacities to strike" its enemies if his country is attacked.

    The top five permanent members of the U.N. Security Council have drawn up new sanctions meant to punish Iran for rejecting U.N. demands it halt the controversial enrichment — a key process that can produce fuel for a reactor or the material for a nuclear warhead.

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Iran having nukes is about as good a thing as someone going back in time and giving one particular tribe of cavemen circa 80 thousand years BC all AK 47's.

Can you say "Armegeddon? "


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Iranian Vessels Seize 15 British Navy Personnel in Iraqi Waters

    Naval forces of Iran's hardline Revolutionary Guards captured 15 British sailors and marines at gunpoint Friday in the Persian Gulf — an audacious move coming during heightened tensions between the West and Iran.

    U.S. and British officials said a boarding party from the frigate HMS Cornwall was seized about 10:30 a.m. during a routine inspection of a merchant ship inside Iraqi territorial waters near the disputed Shatt al-Arab waterway.

    Iran's Foreign Ministry insisted the Britons were operating in Iranian waters and would be held "for further investigation," Iranian state television said.

    Britain's Defense Ministry said the Royal Navy personnel were "engaged in routine boarding operations of merchant shipping in Iraqi territorial waters" and had completed a ship inspection when they were accosted by Iranian vessels.

    The eight Royal Navy sailors and seven Royal Marines were part of a task force that protects Iraqi oil terminals and maintains security in Iraqi waters under authority of the U.N. Security Council.


We really, really, need to nuke Tehran.

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I have a feeling this will start a major World War......give it 3 more months.

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TIME Magazine article

Friday, Mar. 23, 2007

Why Iran Seized the British Marines

By Howard Chua-Eoan/New York

The most ominous detail about Iran's seizure of 15 British Royal Marines in the Shatt-al-Arab waterway on Friday morning is that the servicemen were reportedly taken into custody by the navy of the Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC). The IRGC is a powerful, separate branch of the Iranian armed forces. Soaked with nationalist ideology, it has grown into a state within a state in Iran, with its own naval, air and ground forces, parallel to official government institutions. The IRGC is directly controlled by Supreme Leader Ayatullah Ali Khamenei, the ultimate font of religious and political power in Iran. The IRGC also has its own intelligence arm and commands irregular forces such as the basij — a voluntary paramilitary group affiliated with President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad — and the Quds force, which has been accused by the U.S. of supplying material to Iraqi insurgents bent on killing American soldiers. The IRGC is also known for its clandestine activities including logistical support for militant organizations like Lebanon's Hizballah, which it helped to set up in the 1980s, and several Shi'a militia groups in Iraq. The IRGC's activities are often a thorn in the side of Iran's Foreign Ministry, which is forced to repair the ruptures in Tehran's diplomatic relations with countries the Guard has inflamed with its self-directed adventures. Nevertheless, it has been one of Iran's main instrument in projecting power and influence over the last few decades.

Because the IRGC's actions are always interwoven with the religious-nationalist ideology of Iran's hardliners, extricating the British may be complicated. The Royal Marines, assigned to HMS Cornwall, had been on an anti-smuggling procedure sanctioned by the U.N. but were apparently taken into custody anyway by Iranian naval vessels in the Shatt-al-Arab, a 120-mile stretch of salt marsh disputed between Iraq and Iran. It is the second such incident. In June 2004, Iran took eight British marines and sailors from their patrol boats, keeping them for three days, saying they had breached the maritme border. While they were held, the servicemen were paraded around blindfolded and forced to apologize on Iranian TV, before being released. At that time, the Iranian presidency was held by Mohammad Khatami, considered a moderate more accommodating to the West. The current administration in Tehran is led by Ahmadinejad whose confrontational stance has been the bane of Washington. (In a recent speech, U.S. Treasury Secretary Stuart Levey charged that the Revolutionary Guard's "control and influence in the Iranian economy is growing exponentially under the regime of Ahmadinejad." He noted the Guard is taking over regular government functions such as management of the Tehran airport and building a new Tehran metro. The growing economic clout may be why IRGC's current commander in chief, Rahim Safavi, is considered a pragmatist in Tehran political circles. However, his public comments hardly reflect that political pragmatism.

This week's Shatt al-Arab incident occurs amid a contretemps over Ahmadinejad's proposed trip to the U.N. Security Council to argue for his country's right to pursue the development of nuclear energy, a goal that has met with international opprobrium. According to CNN, the Iranian president has cancelled his weekend trip because Washington has not issued visas for the crew of his plane. (The U.S. State Department insists that all visa requests were honored.) At the same time, Tehran remains in the middle of a dispute with the United States over the detention in January of six of its officials in the Iraqi city of Erbil, taken from the Iranian consulate there. The U.S. insists the six were being investigated in regard to aiding Iraqi insurgents. Washington has referred all inquiries in the current incident to the British Ministry of Defense.

As Iran increases the volume of its militancy, the rest of the nations on the gulf have grown more and more nervous. The public speculation about a potential war between the U.S. and Iran have added to that anxiety, as have incidents like the taking of the British marines and an earlier event in March when the Saudi Arabian navy engaged an Iranian submarine. No shots were fired but the Saudis found the sub near the Saudi city of Jubail, a coastal industrial center that is the site of major Saudi petrochemical and oil installations, as well as the location of the King Abdul Aziz naval base. The Saudis minimized the incident, accepting the Iranian explanatin that the sub's closeness to Jubail was a mistake. The Saudis also did not want to further stress relations between Riyadh and Tehran. But an Arab surce in the gulf believes that the incident may have been an Iranian political message to the U.S. and the world — a reminder that Iran has assets in the gulf to threaten American and its allies there. Reported by Scott Macleod/Cairo, Jumana Farouky/London and Elaine Shannon/Washington

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My guess is Germany, Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Jordan will be on board this time around. Russia and China will simply remain silent. I hope the Iranians like German Blitzkrieg!

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Iranians Protest at British Embassy

    About 200 students threw rocks and firecrackers at the British Embassy on Sunday, calling for the expulsion of the country's ambassador because of the standoff over Iran's capture of 15 British sailors and marines.

    Several dozen policemen prevented the protesters from entering the embassy compound, although a few briefly scaled a fence outside the compound's walls before being pushed back, according to an Associated Press reporter at the scene.

    The protesters chanted ''Death to Britain'' and ''Death to America'' as they hurled stones into the courtyard of the embassy. They also demanded that the Iranian government expel the British ambassador and close down the embassy, calling it a ''den of spies.''

    Britain's Foreign Office said there had been no damage to the compound.

    A British Foreign Office spokeswoman in London, speaking on condition of anonymity in line with government rules, said diplomats were working normally inside the embassy.

    ''There is a police presence outside and there is no risk to those inside,'' said the spokeswoman.


You'd think after almost three decades of experience of Iran's use of kidnapping as a tool of foreign policy that the British embassy guards would by now have been authorized to shoot in self-defense. But apparently no.

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Iran to Build 2 Nuclear Power Plants:Tehran seeking bids for new power plants despite international pressure to curb the nation's controversial nuke program.

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IRAN MAKING 'NUKE BOMB' FUEL

    Iran has begun producing nuclear fuel in its underground uranium-enrichment plant, according to a confidential document from the U.N. atomic watchdog.

    The document, obtained yesterday by news services, said Tehran had started up 1,312 centrifuge machines, divided into eight cascades, or networks, in the Natanz complex, in an accelerating campaign to lay a basis for "industrial scale" enrichment.

    Both moves flew in the face of U.N. Security Council resolutions demanding that President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's government stop enriching uranium over fears that its professed civilian nuclear-power program is a cover for mastering the means to build atomic bombs.

    Tehran says it seeks only nuclear-generated electricity. But its past concealment of sensitive enrichment research from the International Atomic Energy Agency and continued stonewalling of IAEA inquiries have shaken confidence in its intentions.

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Former Nuke Plant Engineer Allegedly Took Access Codes to Iran

    A former engineer at the nation's largest nuclear power plant has been charged with taking computer access codes and software to Iran and using it to download details of plant control rooms and reactors, authorities said.

    Mohammad Alavi, who worked at the triple-reactor Palo Verde power plant west of Phoenix, was arrested April 9 at Los Angeles International Airport when he arrived on a flight from Iran, authorities said.

    Alavi, 49, is a U.S. citizen and denies any wrongdoing, said his attorney, Milagros Cisneros of the Federal Defender's Office in Phoenix.

    According to court records, the software is used only for training plant employees, but allowed users access to details on the Palo Verde control rooms and the plant layout. In October, authorities alleged, the software was used to download training materials from Tehran, using a Palo Verde user identification.


I wonder what religion "Mohammed Alavi" practices? Probably a nice Irish Catholic boy...

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He could be Catholic, the name suggests he isn't but then again plenty of people like presidential candidate Obama for example have a name that suggest he's not a Christian when in fact he is. That is all besides the point though. If the guy is guilty it doesn't matter if he practices a more acceptable religion or not.


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