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Here is how NYC wants to kick it off :
NY City Council Considers Halt to N-Word
By SARA KUGLER, Associated Press Writer
2 hours ago
NEW YORK - The city council is considering a symbolic resolution calling for New Yorkers to stop using the n-word, and supporters say Black History Month is a relevant time to call attention to the racial slur.
Queens Councilman Leroy Comrie spearheaded the nonbinding measure before the New York City Council Thursday. He appeared with hip-hop pioneer Kurtis Blow Walker on Thursday and said the slur has gained a level of acceptance among entertainers and youths that is troubling.
"So I challenge the hip-hop community, I challenge you to abolish that word during the month of February _ Black History Month _ and beyond," Walker said.
For centuries, the slur has been used to humiliate and degrade blacks, but more recently it also has become a term of endearment and camaraderie among some.
Hip-hop culture in particular has been singled out for its use of the word in music and entertainment, which some say is helping convince an entire generation that the word is acceptable.
National attention increased after an incident last year involving actor Michael Richards, who played the Kramer character on "Seinfeld." Richards blew up at black patrons in a comedy club with a profane tirade that included the slur.
After the Richards episode, black leaders challenged the public and the entertainment industry _ including rap artists, actors and movie studios _ to stop using the insult.
The resolution is expected to go to a vote by the end of February.
Comrie said he and the Abolish the N Word organization also will organize an essay contest for February, asking schoolchildren to write pieces on the topic.
Dennis Walcott, Mayor Michael Bloomberg's deputy mayor for education, pledged his support for the movement.
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Here is a list of black American inventors - this is a fantastic site: http://inventors.about.com/od/blackinventors/a/Black_History.htm
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a month of Wednesdays?
Will this week never end?
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Student Angry Over Lack of Black History Classes Stabs 3A 25-year-old student angry that his technical school wasn't teaching about black history walked into his business class Friday and stabbed three school officials with a screwdriver, police said.
Kevin Mair of Plantation walked into his classroom at Atlantic Technical Center using a cane and sound-blocking headphones similar to those used in a gun range, said Officer Anthony Avello of the Coconut Creek Police Department.
Mair became agitated and "expressed his displeasure about the lack of black history being taught at the school," Avello said. February is Black History Month.
Mair then attacked the three victims with a screwdriver he took to school, officials said. An assistant director of the school was stabbed in the back and two security specialists in the arms. The three were later released from the hospital.
Mair fled in his car, was involved in a car crash and tried to run from officers but was apprehended.
He will be charged with multiple counts of aggravated battery, authorities said.
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A 25-year-old student angry that his technical school wasn't teaching about black history walked into his business class Friday and stabbed three school officials with a screwdriver, police said.
Kevin Mair of Plantation walked into his classroom at Atlantic Technical Center using a cane and sound-blocking headphones similar to those used in a gun range, said Officer Anthony Avello of the Coconut Creek Police Department.
Mair became agitated and "expressed his displeasure about the lack of black history being taught at the school," Avello said. February is Black History Month.
Mair then attacked the three victims with a screwdriver he took to school, officials said. An assistant director of the school was stabbed in the back and two security specialists in the arms. The three were later released from the hospital.
Mair fled in his car, was involved in a car crash and tried to run from officers but was apprehended.
He will be charged with multiple counts of aggravated battery, authorities said.
That is not the proper way to celebrate Black History Month. 
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That school is very close to where I live. Very close meaning I could get in my car and get there between the time it takes to post this and the time it will likely take any of you to actually read it. I live in the same county.
It's not a good school. It's not a very difficult school to get into. You don't even need a high school diploma, I believe.
I'm not saying this is to be expected. I am saying, though, that it's not a surprise. Killings happen all the time here. It's South Florida, not Bum-Fuck, Ohio. And posting this is akin to me posting an article about some U.S. soldier in Iraq who went nutso because he found out his girl was cheating on him back home and did that postal thing with his government issued rifle. There isn't a deep and profound universal message to be found here, just a sad and unfortunate story. Not to say there was an intended meaning. No idea. But if there was one, well, reread this paragraph.
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Student Angry Over Lack of Black History Classes Stabs 3
And one wonders why no one outside the community gives a shit about the month.
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There isn't a deep and profound universal message to be found here, just a sad and unfortunate story.
The only 'universal' message I would see here is that its always fucked up whenever someone uses any holiday as an excuse to kill or attack someone.
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Black History Month isn't a holiday, Morning Glory.
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Student Angry Over Lack of Black History Classes Stabs 3
And one wonders why no one outside the community gives a shit about the month.
And by "the community" I'm guessing you mean the black community, and by "one" I guess you mean...ummm, I really don't know who you mean by that.
Yeah, well, people outside the community really do care. Maybe not you and your close group of friends--to which I say "Meh"--but others do, black, white, yellow, green, and polka dot-on-the-forehead. I know this because it wouldn't still be a month you'd actually hear about every once a year otherwise. The black community alone wouldn't be enough support. It's true. Do you even know when Asian Pacific American Heritage Month is?
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Black History Month isn't a holiday, Morning Glory.
Geez, someone's got that not so fresh feeling today.
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Because I said it wasn't a holiday or because I called you Morning Glory?
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And one wonders why no one outside the community gives a shit about the month.
And by "the community" I'm guessing you mean the black community, and by "one" I guess you mean...ummm, I really don't know who you mean by that.
Yeah, well, people outside the community really do care. Maybe not you and your close group of friends--to which I say "Meh"--but others do, black, white, yellow, green, and polka dot-on-the-forehead. I know this because it wouldn't still be a month you'd actually hear about every once a year otherwise. The black community alone wouldn't be enough support. It's true. Do you even know when Asian Pacific American Heritage Month is?
I guess it's also not a statement of any significance that every "Martin Luther King Jr. Boulevard" in America, far from being a center of peace, is a center of crime, drugs and violence.
As I've said across several topics now (contrary to the "white racist" stereotype the liberal media likes to project) it is in fact blacks who commit the majority of racial violence against whites, at a ratio of about 50 incidents to 1.
Something motivates this violence by blacks against other racial groups. And I beleive it's the sense of entitlement, of something owed to blacks. An indoctinated sense of rage, that blacks are somehow given license to lash out in acts of violence.
And of liberal rationalization, not only within the black community, but also by non-black liberal politicians pandering to the black community, that rationalize such incidents as understandable backlash to "generations of racism" or whatever.
I say it again: every racial group on Earth has been discriminated against by every other group who could do so. Blacks are not unique in their suffering !
Should I sue the Italians for their Roman ancestors invading and seizing property of my ancestors?
The Huns?
The Vandals? The Visigoths?
The French?
The Scandinavians?
The Mongols?
How much is enough?
I'm proud of the fact that the United States has come so far with civil rights. And I regard the attitude that clings to the past, and pretends it's still 1965, as spoiled, arrogant, and a breeding ground for precisely the kind of violence this article cites.
I can discuss similar incidents, that are just as close to my home. This attitude in the black community has to end, so the nation can move on, and blacks can enjoy the freedom that truly exists now.
As I've said previously, while there are many incidents of black violence against other racial groups, there are many more blacks who feel that indoctrinated anger, but would not take that anger to the level of violence. But the indoctinated angry message is there just the same, and that is the true cause of alienation between blacks and the rest of America.
And I have to wonder based on that: Are Martin Luther King Day and Black History Month true celebrations of freedom?
Or are they, in truth, part of the divisive "hate whitey" culture of rage?
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Of course you wonder that. You don't have a clue.
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You know, that's actually the nicer, censored version of that post.
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I guess it's also not a statement of any significance that every "Martin Luther King Jr. Boulevard" in America, far from being a center of peace, is a center of crime, drugs and violence.
Really? Can you back prove that statement or are you just letting your racism show?
There's a Martin Luther King Jr. boulevard here. Its in a great neighborhood with plenty of upscale stores on it with virtually no crime.
People like you just need to shut the hell up and start accepting people that aren't like you.
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That school is very close to where I live. Very close meaning I could get in my car and get there between the time it takes to post this and the time it will likely take any of you to actually read it. I live in the same county.
It's not a good school. It's not a very difficult school to get into. You don't even need a high school diploma, I believe.
I'm not saying this is to be expected. I am saying, though, that it's not a surprise. Killings happen all the time here. It's South Florida, not Bum-Fuck, Ohio. And posting this is akin to me posting an article about some U.S. soldier in Iraq who went nutso because he found out his girl was cheating on him back home and did that postal thing with his government issued rifle. There isn't a deep and profound universal message to be found here, just a sad and unfortunate story. Not to say there was an intended meaning. No idea. But if there was one, well, reread this paragraph.
I don't know we get a lot of murders in the Cincinnati area. Too many actually.
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I guess it's also not a statement of any significance that every "Martin Luther King Jr. Boulevard" in America, far from being a center of peace, is a center of crime, drugs and violence.
it's not a statement of any significance. Do you have any statistical evidence? Do you have racial breakdowns of the neighborhoods? Do you have (more important than race in determining crime rates) economic breakdowns of the neighborhoods?
Or is this just some generalization like "all black people are lazy and that's why they have stupid hair"?
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As I've said across several topics now (contrary to the "white racist" stereotype the liberal media likes to project) it is in fact blacks who commit the majority of racial violence against whites, at a ratio of about 50 incidents to 1.
Wow. Somehow you've managed to blame racism on the "liberal media" and turn black people into bad guys.
Black on black crime is more common than black on white crime.
And white people have more of a history of racism. Lynchings, slavery, racial stereotypes. Black people who are prejudice generally feel that way due to a feeling of oppression. And the fact is, its only been in the last 40 years that they even had civil rights laws on the books. It takes time and generations for the painful memories to fade away.
Michael Richards, the Simpson trial, Rodney King, Watts Riots, FBI spying on King and the Black Panthers. This is all within the last 50 years.
Please stop trying to play the white middle class victim card.
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Something motivates this violence by blacks against other racial groups. And I beleive it's the sense of entitlement, of something owed to blacks. An indoctinated sense of rage, that blacks are somehow given license to lash out in acts of violence.
or perhaps there is a certain sense of frustration in lower income neighborhoods. Your comments don't really seek to address the problems, you're just trying to imply blacks are bad in a roundabout way.
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And of liberal rationalization, not only within the black community, but also by non-black liberal politicians pandering to the black community, that rationalize such incidents as understandable backlash to "generations of racism" or whatever.
Again blaming the liberals?
As I pointed out above, there is a constant stream of racism, a separation between white and black in the culture that only encourages hostility and emboldens racists like yourself. Thankfully, things do improve. Just in my lifetime I have seen serious improvement in the racial relations. I guess I live in hope since I can't fall back on the dream of a white's only heaven.
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I say it again: every racial group on Earth has been discriminated against by every other group who could do so. Blacks are not unique in their suffering !
true, but there's a flaw in your logic. (see below)
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Should I sue the Italians for their Roman ancestors invading and seizing property of my ancestors?
The Huns?
The Vandals? The Visigoths?
The French?
The Scandinavians?
The Mongols?
Here's the logic flaw:
The Roman Empire no longer exists, the Egytpian Empire is gone, and pretty much all of the others are too.
The Germans had to make it up to the French and the Jews for their recent bits of evil.
Slavery involving Africans did not happen with some now-defunct government. It was the United States of America in what is still the United States of America.
Now I don't think anyone is talking seriously about reparations between descendents (that seems silly), but there is a need for fence bending. And, unfortunately, the KKK and folks like yourself have basically agrivated the matter since the Civil War ended. Civil Rights was the first real stepping stone, and race relations have improved, racism has declined to the point that its considered abhorent and America in general is a better place because of it.
Black History month is about intergration, about mainstreaming blacks by acknowledging that they have been part of history as artists and inventors and overall pioneers. It brings more of a sense of their true place alongside whites in history. I think it's a great thing for children to learn that black people were more than just slaves, and it gives black youths a sense that they can actually accomplish something other than being a stereotype for people like yourself to look down on.
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How much is enough?
yes, how much is enough? how much whining do we have to hear from people like you about not always being the center of attention. March-December is White History Months, is that enough? You have a Christian President who wages holy wars to kill infidels in the middle east but you whine because two gay people want to marry and that somehow threatens your marriage.
How much is enough?
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I'm proud of the fact that the United States has come so far with civil rights. And I regard the attitude that clings to the past, and pretends it's still 1965, as spoiled, arrogant, and a breeding ground for precisely the kind of violence this article cites.
You want to hold up a crazy person as representative of their entire race? There are way crazier white people. And I would personally not want to go down this standard as Charles Manson's race war belief would be impossible to defend (he was white and hated blacks so by your standards all whites hate blacks).
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I can discuss similar incidents, that are just as close to my home. This attitude in the black community has to end, so the nation can move on, and blacks can enjoy the freedom that truly exists now.
One guy, who was crazy, got violent. it happens, every day, across all race lines.
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As I've said previously, while there are many incidents of black violence against other racial groups, there are many more blacks who feel that indoctrinated anger, but would not take that anger to the level of violence. But the indoctinated angry message is there just the same, and that is the true cause of alienation between blacks and the rest of America.
there are many messages. Bill Cosby advocates blakc kids to get off their asses and go to college. Many many many messages. Just the same as how there are whites who advocate racial purity.
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And I have to wonder based on that: Are Martin Luther King Day and Black History Month true celebrations of freedom?
Or are they, in truth, part of the divisive "hate whitey" culture of rage?
maybe you're just an asshole and the black people you've known have been responding to that.
I live in a black neighborhood, and a pretty shitty one at that. I get along fine and have never had a problem because I don't approach them like they're lesser than me.
Give that a try some time.
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You're talking to a brick wall, rex. It won't do any good.
I know, I just had to vent. I don't expect something like facts to make wonder tard change his views.
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Of course you wonder that. You don't have a clue.
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You know, that's actually the nicer, censored version of that post.
You know, Jason, I don't doubt that you have another perspective on the issue, and I actually looked forward to seeing your counter-perspective to my views, explaining why you think I'm wrong, from your perspective.
What a disappointment that you chose to respond with a flip remark that does nothing to clarify why you disagree with me, or prove in any way that I might be wrong. We don't agree politically, but I have grown to appreciate your perspective, when you choose to fully explain it.
You're certainly capable of a better response.
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I live in a black neighborhood, and a pretty shitty one at that. I get along fine and have never had a problem because I don't approach them like they're lesser than me.
Give that a try some time.
I grew up in what's considered one of the rougher neighborhoods in Cleveland on a demographic basis. And yeah, our house got broken into four times, and yeah, my father had a gun in his face twice. But you know what? Of the many people in that neighborhood we knew, there were good people there. Honest, caring people. People just like us. (Actually there weren't even that many differences in appearance, considering the multiethnic nature of my family.) And even if the people there didn't all look like me and speak the same primary language as me (not a problem for me anyway), they were all just as human as me. Yeah, there are bad apples, but you'll find those wherever you go. There are reasons for a higher concentration of them, but the genetic background of the people there is most definitely not one of them. So I'm afraid I would have to side with adler over DtWB on this one.
Damn you, adler. I've had to agree with you for the third time today.
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I guess it's also not a statement of any significance that every "Martin Luther King Jr. Boulevard" in America, far from being a center of peace, is a center of crime, drugs and violence.
Really? Can you back prove that statement or are you just letting your racism show?
There's a Martin Luther King Jr. boulevard here. Its in a great neighborhood with plenty of upscale stores on it with virtually no crime.
People like you just need to shut the hell up and start accepting people that aren't like you.
And then there's rex on the other hand...
There's no illusion of anything resembling a civil discussion where you're concerned. I think if Sammitch or PJP or WBAM had voiced the same views, you wouldn't have jumped at this post like a bulldog on a short leash. But because you saw it was posted by Wonder Boy, you just jumped into attack mode, like you consistently do to my posts in recent weeks.
I don't need to defend against your allegation that I'm racist. I've said many times, across many topics, that I strongly support civil rights and the acheivement of true equality in this country since 1965 for blacks and other minorities.
And I've said that racism to some degree still exists and will probably never be fully eliminated.
And that includes racism of other minorities against whites, that still exists as well.
I don't have a prejudice or racist attitude toward blacks, as you allege.
But I do have a problem with the widely proselytized and prevalent attitude among a large percentage of American blacks (whether that percentage is 20% or 50% or 70% is difficult to guage), that perpetuates the idea that blacks are as discriminated against now as they were in 1965.
There are a large number of blacks in every conceivable profession, there are no longer any race barriers, there are black CEO's of companies, black attorneys, a former black chairman of the DNC (Ron Brown), black Supreme Court Justices, presidential cabinet members, and several black contenders for President, one of whom (Colin Powell) polls have said since 1992 in every election cycle would be the choice of a majority of americans over any other candidate offered.
"People like [me]" support black America, and want leaders who reject the vicious and divisive rhetoric that prevents black america from fully participating in mainstream America.
- from Do Racists have lower IQ's...
Liberals who bemoan discrimination, intolerance, restraint of Constitutional freedoms, and promotion of hatred toward various abberant minorities, have absolutely no problem with discriminating against, being intolerant of, restricting Constitutional freedoms of, and directing hate-filled scapegoat rhetoric against conservatives.
EXACTLY what they accuse Republicans/conservatives of doing, is EXACTLY what liberals/Democrats do themselves, to those who oppose their beliefs.
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Yeah, there are bad apples, but you'll find those wherever you go. There are reasons for a higher concentration of them, but the genetic background of the people there is most definitely not one of them. So I'm afraid I would have to side with adler over DtWB on this one.
You side with the perception, not the reality, Sammitch.
That's not what I said. At all.
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"People like [me]" support black America, and want leaders who reject the vicious and divisive rhetoric that prevents black america from fully participating in mainstream America.
I think that's true on some level for you. It's just that sometimes you will say things that come across as incompatible with that statement. And so it's kind of hard to reconcile everything together. But everyone has a particular perspective on it. I actually agree with you to some extent that too many black Americans can't or won't truly speak for themselves. That's the real problem. Many of the people who are claiming to speak for them are simply Guilty White Liberals™ who maybe at some point did honestly want what was best for the black community but have bought into an agenda that uses minorities as political cannon fodder in exchange for marginal improvements in their quality of life.
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Yeah, there are bad apples, but you'll find those wherever you go. There are reasons for a higher concentration of them, but the genetic background of the people there is most definitely not one of them. So I'm afraid I would have to side with adler over DtWB on this one.
You side with the perception, not the reality, Sammitch.
That's not what I said. At all.
As I said at the beginning of this post, at times it felt like that's how you were coming across. It's a very touchy subject, and there's really not much room for ambiguity.
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You know, Jason, I don't doubt that you have another perspective on the issue, and I actually looked forward to seeing your counter-perspective to my views, explaining why you think I'm wrong, from your perspective.
I don't need to. Although he chose to word it in a different manner than I would have, Karl made some very good points that covered much of the same ground any post from me would have.
Plus, I fear you're too far gone. You're too entrenched in sound bites and ignorance for me to reach you. I don't have the time or the patience to spend hours educating you on the counter-perspective. You don't even know the facts. Start there then maybe we'll talk. Or maybe I'll get bored. Until then, a flip remark is all you get.
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I guess it's also not a statement of any significance that every "Martin Luther King Jr. Boulevard" in America, far from being a center of peace, is a center of crime, drugs and violence.
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it's not a statement of any significance. Do you have any statistical evidence? Do you have racial breakdowns of the neighborhoods? Do you have (more important than race in determining crime rates) economic breakdowns of the neighborhoods?
Or is this just some generalization
I don't know if WB is correct, but the generalization of which he speaks is not an uncommon belief, or even one held exclusively by white people. As the St. Petersburg Times noted:
most everyone agrees that the image of King Street, U.S.A., is largely of a destitute, crime-ridden area. It's a stigma comedian Chris Rock uses in his standup routine.
It goes like this: Rock says a white friend called him for directions. The man said he was calling from King Street.
"Run!" Rock tells him.
"I don't care where you live in America," Rock says, "if you're on Martin Luther King Boulevard, there's some violence going on."
That perception of the nation's 680 King streets too often matches reality, says Jerry Kolo, a professor at Florida Atlantic University. Once intended as a symbol of equality, the roads have become the dividing line between black and white America.
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I guess it's also not a statement of any significance that every "Martin Luther King Jr. Boulevard" in America, far from being a center of peace, is a center of crime, drugs and violence.
it's not a statement of any significance. Do you have any statistical evidence? Do you have racial breakdowns of the neighborhoods? Do you have (more important than race in determining crime rates) economic breakdowns of the neighborhoods?
Or is this just some generalization like "all black people are lazy and that's why they have stupid hair"?
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Something motivates this violence by blacks against other racial groups. And I beleive it's the sense of entitlement, of something owed to blacks. An indoctinated sense of rage, that blacks are somehow given license to lash out in acts of violence.
or perhaps there is a certain sense of frustration in lower income neighborhoods. Your comments don't really seek to address the problems, you're just trying to imply blacks are bad in a roundabout way.
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Should I sue the Italians for their Roman ancestors invading and seizing property of my ancestors?
The Huns?
The Vandals? The Visigoths?
The French?
The Scandinavians?
The Mongols?
Here's the logic flaw:
The Roman Empire no longer exists, the Egytpian Empire is gone, and pretty much all of the others are too.
The Germans had to make it up to the French and the Jews for their recent bits of evil.
Slavery involving Africans did not happen with some now-defunct government. It was the United States of America in what is still the United States of America.
Now I don't think anyone is talking seriously about reparations between descendents (that seems silly), but there is a need for fence bending. And, unfortunately, the KKK and folks like yourself have basically agrivated the matter since the Civil War ended. Civil Rights was the first real stepping stone, and race relations have improved, racism has declined to the point that its considered abhorent and America in general is a better place because of it.
Black History month is about intergration, about mainstreaming blacks by acknowledging that they have been part of history as artists and inventors and overall pioneers. It brings more of a sense of their true place alongside whites in history. I think it's a great thing for children to learn that black people were more than just slaves, and it gives black youths a sense that they can actually accomplish something other than being a stereotype for people like yourself to look down on.
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I'm proud of the fact that the United States has come so far with civil rights. And I regard the attitude that clings to the past, and pretends it's still 1965, as spoiled, arrogant, and a breeding ground for precisely the kind of violence this article cites.
You want to hold up a crazy person as representative of their entire race? There are way crazier white people. And I would personally not want to go down this standard as Charles Manson's race war belief would be impossible to defend (he was white and hated blacks so by your standards all whites hate blacks).
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I can discuss similar incidents, that are just as close to my home. This attitude in the black community has to end, so the nation can move on, and blacks can enjoy the freedom that truly exists now.
One guy, who was crazy, got violent. it happens, every day, across all race lines.
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I guess it's also not a statement of any significance that every "Martin Luther King Jr. Boulevard" in America, far from being a center of peace, is a center of crime, drugs and violence.
Really? Can you back prove that statement or are you just letting your racism show?
There's a Martin Luther King Jr. boulevard here. Its in a great neighborhood with plenty of upscale stores on it with virtually no crime.
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I guess it's also not a statement of any significance that every "Martin Luther King Jr. Boulevard" in America, far from being a center of peace, is a center of crime, drugs and violence.
it's not a statement of any significance. Do you have any statistical evidence? Do you have racial breakdowns of the neighborhoods? Do you have (more important than race in determining crime rates) economic breakdowns of the neighborhoods?
Or is this just some generalization like "all black people are lazy and that's why they have stupid hair"?
I doubt anyone in this country has visited every last Martin Luther King Jr. Boulevard in America. But I've seen 20 or 30 of them, and they haven't stood out for me as symbols of peace, prosperity, unity or tolerance.
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Or is this just some generalization like "all black people are lazy and that's why they have stupid hair"?
And I'd appreciate it if you wouln't "script" me, and put racist comments that are not mine in my mouth.
Clearly, they've already confused Sammitch, for one, to believe opinions not mine to be representative of me.
You lose any potential moral high ground with such smear tactics.
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As I've said across several topics now (contrary to the "white racist" stereotype the liberal media likes to project) it is in fact blacks who commit the majority of racial violence against whites, at a ratio of about 50 incidents to 1.
Wow. Somehow you've managed to blame racism on the "liberal media" and turn black people into bad guys.
Black on black crime is more common than black on white crime.
I've already quoted statistics to support my views on this in another recent topic.
Black-on-black crime is higher statistically than black-on-white crime, yes.
But black-on-white hate-based crime is statistically far higher than white-on-black racially motivated hate-crime, at a ratio of about 50 incidents to 1.
The question is not total crimes. The question is about whether whites are more violently racist.
I stand by my numbers.
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And white people have more of a history of racism. Lynchings, slavery, racial stereotypes. Black people who are prejudice generally feel that way due to a feeling of oppression. And the fact is, its only been in the last 40 years that they even had civil rights laws on the books. It takes time and generations for the painful memories to fade away.
Michael Richards, the Simpson trial, Rodney King, Watts Riots, FBI spying on King and the Black Panthers. This is all within the last 50 years.
Please stop trying to play the white middle class victim card.
It's been demonstrated many times that the liberal media hypes the isolated case where white criminals attack a black, gay or other individual of a minority, to falsely perpetuate the notion of vast and out of contol "violent white racist" problem that minorities need to live in fear of.
When again, statistics show the reverse to be true. That whites, more often, are the victims and not the perpetrators.
Dredging up lynchings and slavery from 150 years ago is about as relevant as the Pellopenesian War, or the fall of Rome to the Vandals and the Visigoths. It does not reflect current trends.
Even the 1965 killing of 3 civil rights workers in Mississippi (2 white, 1 black) by the KKK was a very isolated occurrence, and even so, the potential for similar incidents was completely gutted away by the FBI.
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Something motivates this violence by blacks against other racial groups. And I beleive it's the sense of entitlement, of something owed to blacks. An indoctinated sense of rage, that blacks are somehow given license to lash out in acts of violence.
or perhaps there is a certain sense of frustration in lower income neighborhoods. Your comments don't really seek to address the problems, you're just trying to imply blacks are bad in a roundabout way.
No, I'm not "implying" anthing, I'm saying flatout: Blacks are committing these violent acts (i.e., stabbing 3 faculty members in a school, because the school didn't do enough to celebrate black history month, and similar incidents that not all but a 50-to-1 ratio of black Americans feel justified in unleashing on whites, clearly racially motivated hate-crimes), and it is this victim/backlash liberal rhetoric that the blacks committing these crimes feel gives them license to do these crimes.
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And of liberal rationalization, not only within the black community, but also by non-black liberal politicians pandering to the black community, that rationalize such incidents as understandable backlash to "generations of racism" or whatever.
Again blaming the liberals?
As I pointed out above, there is a constant stream of racism, a separation between white and black in the culture that only encourages hostility and emboldens racists like yourself. Thankfully, things do improve. Just in my lifetime I have seen serious improvement in the racial relations. I guess I live in hope since I can't fall back on the dream of a white's only heaven.
Again, your words in that last phrase, put in my mouth. And falsely representing both my actual words, and my beleifs and dreams as well.
I've dated women of just about every race and ethnicity, to fit into your stereotype of someone who dreams of a white racist heaven.
Of the two women I almost married, one was from Spain, and the other was from the Phillipines.
And I dated a 42-year-old Jamaican lady for about a year and a half about 9 years ago. Astonishingly, she voiced to me that she doesn't date American black men because of their attitude and lack of ambition (her exact words). She also expressed relief that her 21-year old daughter (a retail store manager) had similarly steered clear of American black men. Since she isn't white, how will you label her, I wonder?
I don't share her view of "all American blacks", but I'm sympathetic to the notion that such an attitude has infected a considerable percentage of black Americans.
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I say it again: every racial group on Earth has been discriminated against by every other group who could do so. Blacks are not unique in their suffering !
true, but there's a flaw in your logic. (see below)
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Should I sue the Italians for their Roman ancestors invading and seizing property of my ancestors?
The Huns?
The Vandals? The Visigoths?
The French?
The Scandinavians?
The Mongols?
Here's the logic flaw:
The Roman Empire no longer exists, the Egytpian Empire is gone, and pretty much all of the others are too.
The Germans had to make it up to the French and the Jews for their recent bits of evil.
Slavery involving Africans did not happen with some now-defunct government. It was the United States of America in what is still the United States of America.
Now I don't think anyone is talking seriously about reparations between descendents (that seems silly), but there is a need for fence bending. And, unfortunately, the KKK and folks like yourself have basically agrivated the matter since the Civil War ended. Civil Rights was the first real stepping stone, and race relations have improved, racism has declined to the point that its considered abhorent and America in general is a better place because of it.
Black History month is about intergration, about mainstreaming blacks by acknowledging that they have been part of history as artists and inventors and overall pioneers. It brings more of a sense of their true place alongside whites in history. I think it's a great thing for children to learn that black people were more than just slaves, and it gives black youths a sense that they can actually accomplish something other than being a stereotype for people like yourself to look down on.
The Roman people still exists in the remaining state of Italy.
Egypt still exists and prides itself in its ancient culture.
Many feel that Germany did not pay nearly enough for its aggression and genocide in World War II. One example is the gold in Swiss bank accounts, melted into gold bars from the fillings of Jews' gold teeth, among other gold possessions.
My point is: Similarly, the U.S. govenment today is not that of the same era as Washington, Jefferson, Jackson, Grant, McKinley or Eisenhower. It is a government as vastly different as any of these reformed states of former empires. It is a vastly different world, and beyond perhaps the surviving grandchildren's generation, there has to be a statute of limitations, so we are not eternally reliving past tragedies as if they are still occurring.
And as long as they are artificially kept alive, they are still occurring. Preventing society from moving forward and unifying.
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How much is enough?
yes, how much is enough? how much whining do we have to hear from people like you about not always being the center of attention. March-December is White History Months, is that enough? You have a Christian President who wages holy wars to kill infidels in the middle east but you whine because two gay people want to marry and that somehow threatens your marriage.
How much is enough?
Oh God, the "people like you" excrement.
You don't even warrant a response on this one. There is nothing even vaguely resembling my opinion in what you've scripted me to have said and believe.
Complete smear on your part.
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I'm proud of the fact that the United States has come so far with civil rights. And I regard the attitude that clings to the past, and pretends it's still 1965, as spoiled, arrogant, and a breeding ground for precisely the kind of violence this article cites.
You want to hold up a crazy person as representative of their entire race? There are way crazier white people. And I would personally not want to go down this standard as Charles Manson's race war belief would be impossible to defend (he was white and hated blacks so by your standards all whites hate blacks).
No, I hold up a crazy person as an example of the poisonous effect of the victim/justified retribution liberal rhetoric that has infected a considerable percentage of the American black community, in divisive attitude, if not also violent action.
I don't deny that white racist whackos exist as well, and I'm equally critical of the KKK amd other white supremacist organizations. Except that the liberal media is sympathetic to, and helps proselytize the victim/justified retribution black mindset, even as they condemn the white equivalent.
I've condemned white racism, that hasn't stopped you yet from scripting me to be a white racist.
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As I've said previously, while there are many incidents of black violence against other racial groups, there are many more blacks who feel that indoctrinated anger, but would not take that anger to the level of violence. But the indoctinated angry message is there just the same, and that is the true cause of alienation between blacks and the rest of America.
there are many messages. Bill Cosby advocates black kids to get off their asses and go to college. Many many many messages. Just the same as how there are whites who advocate racial purity.
Unfortunately, Cosby's message of personal responsibility is not the prevalent message in black america. Unfortunately.
And Cosby and other blacks who push for this personal responsibility and reject the victim-rhetoric, are frequently regarded as traitors to the black community, by those blacks who seek to perpetuate black america's self-alienating attitude indefinitely.
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And I have to wonder based on that: Are Martin Luther King Day and Black History Month true celebrations of freedom?
Or are they, in truth, part of the divisive "hate whitey" culture of rage?
maybe you're just an asshole and the black people you've known have been responding to that.
I live in a black neighborhood, and a pretty shitty one at that. I get along fine and have never had a problem because I don't approach them like they're lesser than me.
Give that a try some time.
And maybe I'm right.
And because I'm right, the only way you can create anything resembling a winning counterpoint is to script me to say things I never actually said, and misrepresent me in a vicious, deceitful way.
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Liberals who bemoan discrimination, intolerance, restraint of Constitutional freedoms, and promotion of hatred toward various abberant minorities, have absolutely no problem with discriminating against, being intolerant of, restricting Constitutional freedoms of, and directing hate-filled scapegoat rhetoric against conservatives.
EXACTLY what they accuse Republicans/conservatives of doing, is EXACTLY what liberals/Democrats do themselves, to those who oppose their beliefs.
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"Yeah, that Jason Perkins... he's articulate, bright... clean..."
That really is a cheap shot. Biden has a solid record on cival rights. If you want to play the political game of using a bad soundbite to trash somebodies reputation, your really the one who needs to be judged as coming up short.
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Biden is a democrat, so he gets a pass from me.
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"Yeah, that Jason Perkins... he's articulate, bright... clean..."
That really is a cheap shot. Biden has a solid record on cival rights. If you want to play the political game of using a bad soundbite to trash somebodies reputation, your really the one who needs to be judged as coming up short.
Also he undermined his whole "white racism is a liberal lie" by saying a white guy was being racist.
And Biden has explained the word clean was a poor choice, and that Obama had no ill will toward him.
I think a better representation of a whit politician being racist is that guy who said macaca. I forget his name, but he actually spent some time in South Africa as a kid and macaca is a racist term for minorities there.
But he's a republican so....
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I think a better representation of a white politician being racist is that guy who said "nigger" on a talk show a few years ago. I forget his name, but he actually spent some time in as a grand wizard in the KKK.
But he's a democrat so its cool with me
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"Yeah, that Jason Perkins... he's articulate, bright... clean..."
That really is a cheap shot. Biden has a solid record on cival rights. If you want to play the political game of using a bad soundbite to trash somebodies reputation, your really the one who needs to be judged as coming up short.
That was playful use of a remark by Biden that was not meant as an attack on him, or Wednesday either for that matter.
As I've said many times, I like Biden, and certainly don't think negatively of Biden for the remark I quoted. I think he's a straight-shooter, who is candid about his views, and offers real alternatives and not just liberal whining. His suggested plan to divide Iraq into three separate Kurd, Shi'ite and Sunni states, may be the best alternative, if the current so-called surge fails. But I hope it doesn't come to that.
I often respect your views too, M E M, whether or not I agree with them. But I think you jumped the gun on this one.
For that matter, what did Biden really say that was offensive? It was a bit funny and awkward the way Biden phrased it, but ultimately all he said about Obama is that he's bright, articulate and [I think he meant to say] clean-cut. There's nothing racist or insulting about that.
Again, Democrat or Republican, these guys are walking by cameras 12 or 14 hours a day, and sometimes they're just tired and the words don't come out right. I guarantee there's similar quotes from all candidates on either side, if the liberal or conservative media chooses to exploit them.
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I think a better representation of a white politician being racist is that guy who said "nigger" on a talk show a few years ago. I forget his name, but he actually spent some time in as a grand wizard in the KKK.
But he's a democrat so its cool with me
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You know, Jason, I don't doubt that you have another perspective on the issue, and I actually looked forward to seeing your counter-perspective to my views, explaining why you think I'm wrong, from your perspective.
I don't need to. Although he chose to word it in a different manner than I would have, Karl made some very good points that covered much of the same ground any post from me would have.
Plus, I fear you're too far gone. You're too entrenched in sound bites and ignorance for me to reach you. I don't have the time or the patience to spend hours educating you on the counter-perspective. You don't even know the facts. Start there then maybe we'll talk. Or maybe I'll get bored. Until then, a flip remark is all you get.
You know, that's funny.
I only get my racial perception from "soundbytes and ignorance" ?
Gee, that's funny, because I could have sworn I quoted sections from several books I read on the subject, and didn't just draw my opinion from soundbytes. Any soundbytes, actually. Show me where I quoted soundbytes.
And while you voice pretty near the maximum dismissive contempt for my conservative opinion, I've done my best to listen to what you have to say, remain respectful of your alternative prespective, and not be dismissive of your views as "entrenched" or "too far gone".
What makes you so damned sure you've got an inside track to "the facts"? I could be equally dismissive of you as being "deeply entrenced" in liberal propaganda, if I so chose to.
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Liberals who bemoan discrimination, intolerance, restraint of Constitutional freedoms, and promotion of hatred toward various abberant minorities, have absolutely no problem with discriminating against, being intolerant of, restricting Constitutional freedoms of, and directing hate-filled scapegoat rhetoric against conservatives.
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I think a better representation of a whit politician being racist is that guy who said macaca. I forget his name, but he actually spent some time in South Africa as a kid and macaca is a racist term for minorities there.
But he's a republican so....
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Biden is a democrat, so he gets a pass from me.
That is just so appropiate that you alter quotes like so.
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There's no illusion of anything resembling a civil discussion where you're concerned. I think if Sammitch or PJP or WBAM had voiced the same views, you wouldn't have jumped at this post like a bulldog on a short leash. But because you saw it was posted by Wonder Boy, you just jumped into attack mode, like you consistently do to my posts in recent weeks.
So instead of defending your position or...I don't know, being a man and admitting you're wrong you choose to victimize yourself. Your kind are so predictable.
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