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So if Hillary wins the nomination then you will vote for her....right?

Yes. Without a doubt.

I've mentioned my admiration and support of McCain several times in the past. And it really has little to do with his views or political positions (many of which I disagree with) but with his character.

With McCain, I sense a genuine integrity about the man. And his brand of Republicanism I see as political and not the quasi-religious fanaticism of the neocons who are positive they know everything there is to know about an issue and the only work is to try to force all data to support their conclusions.

I can see McCain working with the Democrats, i can see him working with our allies rather than belittling and bullying his way to his goals. And I can see him admiting errors, I can see him changing his opinions rather than trying to change the facts to suit him and I can see him give as well as take. In other words, i see a leader.

Now if you ran ...John McCain, i'd be running over to GOP campaign headquarters shouting HURRAH! an honest Republican ticket!!

South Carolina is known for its dirty politics and no one knows more about that than Senator John McCain. He suffered despicable personal attacks ...It's despicable that this sort of thing happens to anyone. Especially someone like John MCain who served honorably and suffered for his country. It's just endemic of this attitude that opponents must be destroyed at all costs.

So if Hillary wins the nomination then you will vote for her....right?

Yes. Without a doubt...While i have little faith in the DLC style way of tackling important topics, it's at least a shred of hope as opposed to none, as McCain's rhetoric has shown to be the case.

Man, what a difference being a Republican nominee makes.

Extort is a pretty big word to throw around Whomod. Even Hillary's rich fatcat] supporters have a right to threaten and extort] our representatives. Also Obama supporters have resorted to some tactics concerning the superdelegates that are not cool.

I will be voting for McCain btw Whomod if you & your cult of Obama succeed in getting him nominated. I'll be dedicating the vote to you

It's not saying to much about the party nor Obama that one woman is supposedly able to wreck the party. I think alot of the hysterics lately is all geared with the sole intent of pushing Hillary out. The real problem is that the voters have kept this race close & haven't chosen a winner yet. That's democracy & if the party really wants to avoid inflicting damage on itself it will tread very carefully so not to appear to be ending the process prematurely to give the nomination to Obama. Right now he can only be the democratic nominee of 48 states. If party leaders misstep they'll take even that away.

In the case of Hillary and landing "under fire" in Bosnia, what does that really have to do with her experience in government or policy she's proposed or supported. It's just as irrelevant as Gore's remarks. Politicians all the time cozy up to voters and try to find ways to show they "understand", that they come from the same background, and that they're "on your side".

In the case of Hillary with the "under fire in Bosnia" anecdote, it's overkill by the media. It's finding the slightest vulnerability on Hillary's part, exploiting it to death, and manufacturing a scandal over nothing. All because this is a way for the media to tip the scales at a crucial point, and manipulate the election result, toward Obama, the candidate they clearly favor. blah blah blah blah. ad naseum.....

March 27, 2008
BUBBA BEGS TEXAS DELEGATES TO STICK WITH HIL

### EXCLUSIVE ###

Despite winning the popular vote in Texas, Hillary Clinton and her advisers are terrified that they’re about to suffer an Al Gore moment by losing in the pledged delegates race to Barack Obama beginning with county conventions on Saturday.

Enter Bill Clinton in a conference call this afternoon to cajole the rank and file to keep fighting for his wife.

“A race this close, every delegate counts,” the former president said in a hasty call with 960 Austin Dems who are backing her, which The Mouth of the Potomac listened to. “The turnout could literally give Hillary the support she needs to win the nomination.”

“We can still win this thing. We’re going to have a big victory in Pennsylvania. It’s going to change the psychology even further, but we need your help,” Clinton said.

About 88,000 county delegates will meet statewide in Texas on Saturday to thin the herd going on to the state convention, where they will divvy up 67 caucus delegates between Clinton and Obama, in addition to the 126 primary delegates already decided.

“I just have to ask you to try one more time to make sure we get the most out of our efforts to get as many of these 67 delegates as we can,” a seemingly exasperated Bill Clinton said in the call. “We just can’t sit it out or stay home - we cannot get tired.”

Clinton said that while his wife has done great in big primary states, “it’s the caucuses that’ve been killing us,” and added that her wins in Texas and Ohio have improved her polling in Pennsylvania and Indiana.

Can I borrow your time machine?

it seems like only yesterday whomod was crying because bush won the presidency even though he lost the popular vote, or how the times change...

Michael Reagan, eldest son of the Gipper:

• I'm indebted to Hillary Clinton for the revelation that my global wanderings when my dad was president qualify me to run for the presidency myself.
  
  Mrs. Clinton has been insisting that her global junkets as first lady, and her meetings with foreign leaders, qualify her to be president of these United States.
  
  I never thought of it that way, but if she is correct then I am eminently qualified to follow my father's footsteps and take up residence at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave., not merely as a member of the president's family, but as president in my own right.

it seems like only yesterday whomod was crying because bush won the presidency even though he lost the popular vote, or how the times change...

It's because it isn't about the principle but getting what you want I suppose.

So was I crying because Bush won the Presidency or because the times change? And considering I joined this board 3 years after the 2000 election, you must have amazing powers to remember that!

Clinton: In the race for the long run




If Hillary Rodham Clinton is feeling heat from pundits and party elders to quit the race and back Barack Obama, you'd never know it from her crowds, energy level and upbeat demeanor on the campaign trail.

"There are millions of reasons to continue this race: people in Pennsylvania, Indiana and North Carolina, and all of the contests yet to come," Clinton told reporters Friday. "This is a very close race and clearly I believe strongly that everyone should have their voices heard and their votes counted."

The former first lady weathered a two-pronged blow Friday, with influential Pennsylvania Sen. Bob Casey Jr. endorsing Obama and another Senate colleague, Vermont Democrat Patrick Leahy, urging her to step aside. But to hear Clinton tell it, it was just another day in an epic primary battle whose result is still not known.

"I believe a spirited contest is good for the Democratic Party and will strengthen the eventual nominee," she said. "We will have a united party behind whomever that nominee is. ... I look forward to campaigning over the next several months."

Traveling across Indiana, the former first lady was greeted by large, enthusiastic audiences who roared their approval at her proposals to help fix the state's economic challenges.

At events here and in North Carolina on Thursday, Clinton raised the issue of whether she should quit the race, only to have it firmly batted down by her supporters.

"There are some people who are saying, you know, we really ought to end this primary, we just ought to shut it down," she said in Mishawaka, Ind., drawing cries of "No, no!" inside a packed gymnasium.

In Hammond, she compared the state's struggling steel industry to her own efforts to fight the odds.

"I know a little bit about comebacks," she said to cheers. "I know what it's like to be counted down and counted out. But I also know there is nothing that will keep us down if we are determined to keep on."

Yet despite the optimistic talk, there is no doubt that Clinton faces long odds for securing her party's nod.

She trails Obama among pledged delegates and is not expected to close that gap even with a strong showing in the 10 remaining primaries. She also trails in the popular vote and probably cannot close the gap without revotes in Michigan and Florida, whose January primary results were nullified because they broke party rules. Neither state is expected to go through with new contests.

As a result, the so-called "superdelegates" — some 800 elected officials and party insiders who can choose to support any candidate — would risk intraparty rebellion if they backed Clinton.

The New York senator reaffirmed her belief that superdelegates will base their choice on which candidate would make the best president and would have the best chance to beat Republican John McCain in November.

All the more reason to look forward to Pennsylvania's primary April 22, Indiana and North Carolina's May 6 and the handful of others that follow, Clinton insisted.

"There will be additional information that will inform those decisions that will come from these upcoming contests," she said.

Dismissing concerns raised by Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean that a prolonged contest would demoralize the party base, Clinton pointed to a recent surge in voter registration and turnout in Pennsylvania. Democratic registration went up by 4 percent in the state this year, while it declined 1 percent among Republicans.

"Both Senator Obama and I have brought millions of new people into the process," she said. "People are registering to vote for him and to vote for me. They're part now of the Democratic Party."

Asked what she thought of Obama's comment Friday that the Democratic primary race resembled "a good movie that lasted about a half-hour too long," Clinton smiled broadly and said, "I like long movies."

ironic that a party named after Democracy, doesn't want to see democracy played out....

ironic that a party named after Democracy, doesn't want to see democracy played out....

whomod =

Obama is one arrogant man. He just barely learned where the rest rooms are in the senate & now he's complaining that he hasn't been coronated yet. Nice answer by Hillary. She's also been asking democrats not to bolt to McCain if their favorite doesn't win. I don't see much from Obama in this way. He's said things about his voters won't vote for her. His wife has to think about supporting Hillary if she's the nominee. Feh!

Let's face it: neither has as good a record as McCain. Both Democrats have short terms in the Senate and minimal experience prior to that. One was a member of the state legislature who hung out in a racist church and the other pretended to dodge imaginary sniper fire while looking the other way as her husband fucked fat chicks.

He's spent just about the same amount of time in the Senate that Hillary has.

Or did she have a 15 years heads up on finding those restrooms. While ducking from sniper fire?

Hillary Clinton, while fully committed to continuing her presidential campaign, was said to be open to discussing the idea, while Bill Clinton rejected it out of hand.

Whomod if it was really over, you & other Obama supporters wouldn't be so busy these days trying to push Hillary out. If Obama believed that he wouldn't have gone super negative the last couple of weeks. The "winner" is still probably going to lose the next big state. It's a funny thing how Obama momentum works. It kinda stops when it gets to a big state.

Saying that Hillary is better qualified to take on John McCain because of her performance in those states only makes sense...

I wasn't aware that was what I was saying. I thought I was commenting on Obama's momentum that gets hyped alot but seems to start & stop. Perhaps we define momentum differently?