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Posted By: PJP Obama lied and your healthcare died - 2013-11-07 7:24 AM
Sucks to be a Democrat nowadays. Not so trendy and cool anymore! I have a clear conscience though....douches!
You voted for Bush so there's no getting past that king of douches.



Welcome back
\:p
Posted By: PJP Re: Obama lied and your healthcare died - 2013-11-07 7:41 AM
I'm back!!!
Posted By: Pariah Re: Obama lied and your healthcare died - 2013-11-07 8:40 AM
 Originally Posted By: PJP
Sucks to be a Democrat nowadays. Not so trendy and cool anymore! I have a clear conscience though....douches!


But...I saw you vote for Obama.

You're guilty.

If I knew of a derogatory term for the Greeks, I'd use it about now.
Posted By: Lisa Pappas Re: Obama lied and your healthcare died - 2013-11-08 7:38 AM
Voting for Obama isn't the only thing he was guilty of.
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Obama lied and your healthcare died - 2013-11-08 6:28 PM
 Originally Posted By: PJP
I'm back!!!


Welcome back, PJP.
And your wife too!


It goes way beyond Obamacare, the nation-destroying stuff Obama has been doing since day one.

I can't believe Obama still has 39% support. The incredible acts of treason his administration routinely commits that the liberal media and DNC voters just shrug off and ignore.
The quotable Marxists in his administration that Democrats just ignore! These people despise this country, and their actions manifest that contempt, as does their consistent circumnavigation of the rule of law.

As I've been saying for years, Obama has been borrowing over a trillion a year every year of his presidency. And now that the Republicans gave him a tax raise that would bring it down to 700 billion, Obamacare is kicking in to bring it right back over a trillion.
In addition to printing roughly 3 trillion at this point, quadrupling the money supply, that will inevitably create hyperinflation and collapse our economy.

And now he's appointing Yellin as FEDERAL RESERVE chairman, who will print even more unbacked dollars and continue, if not accelerate, the problem.
Would that Romney could have been elected in the nick of time to avert this in 2012. I'm not optimistic this economy can be sustained until 2016.



Posted By: PJP Re: Obama lied and your healthcare died - 2013-11-08 7:30 PM
Lol Thanks Dave!
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Obama lied and your healthcare died - 2013-11-08 7:41 PM
You're welcome. Love your avatar photo, by the way, PJP.

Or should I say Mr Wayne?


 Originally Posted By: Wonder Boy

"Criminals are a superstitious cowardly lot, so my disguise must be able to strike terror into their hearts. I must be a creature of the night, black terrible..."

"...a bat! It's an omen! I shall become a bat!"
Posted By: Son of Mxy Re: Obama lied and your healthcare died - 2013-11-08 9:51 PM
I think that's Magneto, WB.
Posted By: PJP Re: Obama lied and your healthcare died - 2013-11-08 10:08 PM
I didn't have the heart to tell him.
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Obama lied and your healthcare died - 2013-11-09 12:43 AM
Well, he's got the Bruce Wayne origin pose!
Posted By: Son of Mxy Re: Obama lied and your healthcare died - 2013-11-09 1:30 AM
PJP didn't have the heart to tell you. It's the last thing he wants to do.
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Obama lied and your healthcare died - 2013-11-09 6:23 AM




Would that Batman were real, and Obama would piss him off.

Posted By: the G-man Re: Obama lied and your healthcare died - 2013-11-09 4:31 PM
 Originally Posted By: Wonder Boy


Would that Batman were real, and Obama would piss him off.


If that happened the media would instantly turn on Batman, pointing out that Bruce Wayne was one of the evil one per centers. They would spend months trying to get into Wayne Corp's tax records. Allegations would be made that Alfred was an illegal immigrant.

In fact, the only good thing that might come out of that would be when those idiot bitches on "the view," decide the invite the Joker on to explain how Batman violated civil his rights.
Posted By: MisterJLA Re: Obama lied and your healthcare died - 2013-11-09 10:03 PM
 Originally Posted By: the G-man


Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Obama lied and your healthcare died - 2013-11-09 11:53 PM
 Originally Posted By: theG-man
If that happened the media would instantly turn on Batman, pointing out that Bruce Wayne was one of the evil one per centers. They would spend months trying to get into Wayne Corp's tax records. Allegations would be made that Alfred was an illegal immigrant.

In fact, the only good thing that might come out of that would be when those idiot bitches on "the view," decide the invite the Joker on to explain how Batman violated civil his rights.



Yes, I forgot that wealth only becomes evil when it belongs to conservatives.

But when it belongs to Democrats/liberals, no matter how exploitatively or corruptly it is gained or used, it suddenly becomes okay!

Posted By: the G-man Re: Obama lied and your healthcare died - 2013-11-28 3:13 AM
Team Obama: Thanksgiving dinner the perfect time to promote ObamaCare
  • Worried about those awkward family moments around the Thanksgiving table? Why not break the ice with a conversation about ObamaCare?

    That's the advice this holiday season from the folks at President Obama's campaign arm, which is circulating a script -- of sorts -- for people to use in order to advance the cause of Affordable Care Act enrollment.

    Organizing for Action has launched a site, called "Health Care for the Holidays," urging ObamaCare supporters to "have the talk" with their family about signing up for health insurance.

    "It might not always seem like it, but your family listens to you. So have the talk," OFA advises.

    The administration did not meet its sign-up targets in October. So if team Obama gets its way, the sales pitch will start anew at the Thanksgiving table.

    To help supporters breezily change dinner-table topics from "why is the turkey overcooked?" or "have you thought about having kids?" to "have you tried signing up for an affordable health plan?" ... OFA has devised a step-by-step checklist.

    Among other tips, the group tells supporters to "think about how you'll bring it up" and "integrate the talk into family time."

    Downtime after meals? Good time to plug the Affordable Care Act, OFA says. Maybe during the Lions game.

    Organizing for Action also offers a checklist of "common misconceptions" -- like the claim that the 2,000-page law is "too complicated" -- and suggested rebuttals.

    There appears to be one glitch in the program, though. According to the administration, the sign-up call centers are scheduled to be closed for Thanksgiving. Holiday shoppers will instead have to navigate the rocky website.


Why not promote Obamacare on Thanksgiving? After all, it is a huge turkey!
Posted By: the G-man Re: Obama lied, your healthcare died - 2013-11-29 4:15 PM
Small businesses still face Obamacare sticker shock
  • WASHINGTON — The delay of the federal ObamaCare online marketplace for small businesses won’t postpone the “sticker shock” for workers, experts say.
    David Capo, vice president of Benefit Advisory Service, a health-insurance broker firm in Queens, said the new mandated coverage costs more — and employees ultimately will pay for it.
    “There’s this perception out there that ObamaCare is either ­going to be free or it’s going to be better plans or it’s going to save them money,” he said.
    “That’s really not the case for most people who work for our ­clients.
    “There will be a price shock associated with those exchanges,” said Capo, noting he has already seen a 25 percent increase in the cost of small-business policies.
    Capo’s clients include small-business owners who used to provide employee health plans simply because they thought it was the “right thing to do.”
    ObamaCare doesn’t require small businesses with less than 50 employees to provide health plans. But what it does require includes the 10 “essential benefits” that make coverage more expensive.
    “A lot of plans have to be changed. Essential benefits have to meet the mandates,” said Capo.
Posted By: the G-man Re: Obama lied, your healthcare died - 2013-12-01 9:48 PM
Baby not covered under ObamaCare family plan
  • This baby’s not on board with ObamaCare.
    Long Islander Cornelius Kelly found it would be no problem to secure a family plan for his wife and three older kids through New York’s health-care exchange, but his 18-month-old daughter was out in the cold. The baby would need her own insurance policy.
    “I couldn’t believe what I was being told,” said the dad from East Quogue, in Suffolk.
    Kelly said he was no fan of the Affordable Care Act, but when he received notice a few weeks ago that his current insurance plan was being canceled, he tried the New York State of Health Web site.
    Kelly, 41, and his wife, Jennifer, 42, are self-employed and have always had to buy their own insurance. Kelly runs a title insurance business in Westhampton, and his wife is a pediatrician in private practice in Miller Place. “I initially went on with a lot of optimism,” he said.
    Kelly said none of the plans offered out-of-network coverage, which was something he wanted. But even worse, they only covered his three older children, who are 3, 5 and 6.
    When Kelly called a representative, he was told his daughter had to be 2 before she could be covered under a family plan. He would have to buy a separate plan for her, at monthly premiums that ranged between $117.21 and $369.31. The cost would be on top of a family plan with premiums ranging from $810.84 to $2,554.71 a month.
    Kelly said he had been paying about $1,000 a month.
    Unwilling to put his daughter on a separate policy, Kelly found a family plan in the private marketplace for about $1,250 a month.
Posted By: Matter-eater Man A conservative lied, no big surprise - 2013-12-05 4:19 PM
Like so many other stories this one gets debunked...
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Obamacare covers babies too, despite a 'Post' report
via Fox News
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By Dan Goldberg 3:49 p.m. Dec. 2, 2013 26 follow this reporter

On Sunday morning, the New York Post published the story of Cornelius Kelly, who was dismayed to learn that the New York State health insurance plans could cover his wife and three older children, but that he would have to buy a separate plan for his 18-month-old daughter.

Fox News ran with the story on Monday morning, and had Kelly on to retell the tale. Within hours, the story had spread.

The problem is, Kelly appears to have been given some bad information. Family plans in New York cover the whole family. No baby has to wait until its second birthday to join a family plan, as the article described Kelly being told.

“It was 100 percent false,” said Bill Schwarz, a spokesman for the state's Department of Health. “Of course, everyone is covered in the family policy.”


Kelly, who in 2011 ran and lost on the Conservative Party line for a seat on the Suffolk County legislature, said he was told three times by different state representatives that his toddler would require a separate insurance plan, and that his daughter would have to turn 2 before she could be covered under a family plan.

The mixup appears to have been rooted in Kelly's application, which originally listed only three of his children even though he has four. When the clerical error was discovered, it was corrected, Schwarz said.
...

capitalnewyork.com
Posted By: the G-man Re: Obama lied, healthcare died - 2013-12-05 10:13 PM
Senate Staffers Unable to Access D.C. Exchange: The DC Health Link website says it is “currently undergoing scheduled maintenance and upgrades,” and provides a phone number for those in need of “immeadiate [sic] assistance.”
Posted By: the G-man Re: Obama lied, healthcare died - 2013-12-09 4:16 PM
ObamaCare created a Medicaid time bomb
The good news, if you want to call it that, is that roughly 1.6 million Americans have enrolled in ObamaCare so far.

The not-so-good news is that 1.46 million of them actually signed up for Medicaid. If that trend continues, it could bankrupt both federal and state governments.

Medicaid is already America’s third-largest government program, trailing only Social Security and Medicare, as a proportion of the federal budget. Almost 8 cents out of every dollar that the federal government spends goes to Medicaid. That’s more than $265 billion per year.

Indeed, already Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid account for 48% of federal spending. Within the next few years, those three programs will eat up more than half of federal expenditures.

And it’s going to get worse. Congress has shown no ability to reform Social Security or Medicare. With ObamaCare adding to Medicare spending, we are picking up speed on the road to insolvency.
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Obama lied, healthcare died - 2013-12-11 2:01 PM
Overwhelming the federal government with mountains of new socialist spending, that is calculated to overwhelm and collapse the system.
Gee, where have I heard that before?

Cloward-Piven strategy



And Obama is well-versed in Cloward-Piven strategy and its Alinsky tactics of mobilizing the poor to do their progressive/socialist bidding. He used to teach Alinsky tactics to classrooms of ACORN activists.

Likewise Hillary Clinton, who wrote her master's thesis on Saul Alinsky, and is another whose goal is to politically infiltrate our political system, and collapse the system from within, to prepare the way for a new socialist order.


Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Obama lied, healthcare died - 2013-12-11 2:07 PM
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Obama lied, healthcare died - 2013-12-11 2:12 PM


It's hard to believe Hillary Clinton was at one time a Goldwater Republican. Before she went off to Wellesley and got far-left radicalized.
Posted By: Matter-eater Man A conservative lies, no big surprise - 2013-12-11 3:47 PM
 Originally Posted By: Wonder Boy
Overwhelming the federal government with mountains of new socialist spending, that is calculated to overwhelm and collapse the system.
Gee, where have I heard that before?

...


I guess the question I would be asking is where were you when Bush expanded Medicare and rammed tax cuts through with the help of the likes of Boehner & Cantor? At least Obamacare tries to curb costs.
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Medicare Part D: Republican Budget-Busting
By BRUCE BARTLETT
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Bruce Bartlett held senior policy roles in the Reagan and George H.W. Bush administrations and served on the staffs of Representatives Jack Kemp and Ron Paul. He is the author of “The Benefit and the Burden: Tax Reform — Why We Need It and What It Will Take.”

Ten years ago this week, Republicans enacted the largest expansion of the welfare state since the creation of Medicare in 1965 by adding a huge unfunded program providing coverage for prescription drugs to the Medicare program.
Today’s Economist

Perspectives from expert contributors.

For years, responsible critics had said it was a system flaw that Medicare did not pay for prescription drugs along with hospitalization and doctors’ visits. By 2003, strong bipartisan support existed for expanding Medicare to include prescription drugs.

Republicans were keen to make sure that the legislation enacted was theirs, because the Democrats were certain to include cost containment for drugs in their legislation. It was widely believed that if the federal government used its buying power to pressure drug companies to cut drug prices, the cost of providing drugs to Medicare recipients would be substantially reduced.

But forcing down drug prices would diminish the drug companies’ profits and Republicans were adamantly opposed to that. Consequently, despite their oft-repeated opposition to new entitlement programs, they got behind the new drug benefit, now known as Medicare Part D, and made sure there was no cost-containment provision.

George W. Bush strongly supported this effort. Looking ahead to a close re-election in 2004, he thought a new government giveaway to the elderly would increase his vote share among this group. According to exit polls, those over age 65 gave Mr. Bush only 47 percent of their vote in 2000, with 51 percent going to Al Gore.

From the beginning, Republicans decided to forgo dedicated financing for Part D. Except for trivial premiums paid by recipients, the entire cost would fall on taxpayers. Moreover, Republicans refused to raise the Medicare tax or cut spending to cover Part D. Hence, the deficit increased by virtually the entire cost of the program.

Through 2012, Medicare Part D added $318 billion to the national debt (see “General Revenue” on Page 111 in the 2013 Medicare trustees report). That same report projects that Medicare Part D will add $852 billion to the debt over the next 10 years.

An important precondition to enactment of the prescription drug benefit was that it not cost more than $400 billion over the first 10 years, a figure established in the budget resolution. Any figure higher than that would have been subject to a “point of order” by a single member of the House or Senate that would probably have derailed the legislation.

Thus it was a huge problem for Republicans when the chief actuary of the Medicare system, Richard S. Foster, concluded during the summer of 2003 that Part D would actually cost $530 billion over its first 10 years. But this fact was hidden from Congress and not revealed until it was reported by The New York Times on Jan. 30, 2004 — almost two months after the bill was signed into law.

Mr. Foster later discussed in detail the pressure exerted on him by Bush administration political appointees, in particular, Thomas A. Scully, administrator of the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services. In a 2004 article for a professional journal, Mr. Foster said:

Congressional activity on the legislation that became the Medicare modernization act got underway in May of 2003. In June, the then-administrator of C.M.S. ordered me to cease responding directly to congressional requests for actuarial assistance. Instead, I was directed to provide the responses to him for his review, approval and ultimate disposition. Following several vigorous discussions, the administrator made it clear that this was a direct order and that if I failed to follow it, “the consequences of insubordination are extremely severe.” I understood this statement to mean that I would be fired if I provided the requested information to Congress.

The inspector general for the Department of Health and Human Services later determined that Mr. Scully’s action was inappropriate, but by then Part D was in law and he had left government to become a lobbyist for drug companies.

The fact that Mr. Foster’s estimate and another from the Congressional Budget Office were well above the actual cost of Medicare Part D over the first 10 years is irrelevant. The point is that the legislation was thought to cost $400 billion in 2003. An estimate of $530 billion from the Medicare actuary would have killed the legislation or possibly forced Republicans to accept cost-containment measures opposed by the pharmaceutical industry.

But that is not the end of Republican manipulation to get the prescription drug giveaway enacted. When the legislation came up for a final vote in the House of Representatives at 3 a.m. on Nov. 22, 2003, it failed after a standard 15-minute vote, with 194 for and 209 against.

Rather than accept defeat, Republican leaders simply kept the vote open while they twisted arms to get opponents to switch their votes. By 4 a.m., the legislation was still losing, 216 yeas to 218 nays, according to an excellent report in The Hill. Finally, at 5:52 a.m., the vote closed, with Republicans eking out a 220-to-215 victory.

The record indicates that the following Republicans switched their votes from nay to yea: Ernest Istook of Oklahoma, Trent Franks of Arizona, C.L. Otter of Idaho and Calvin Dooley of California. Two Democrats, Jim Marshall and David Scott, both of Georgia, also switched from nay to yea (see Page H12296 in The Congressional Record).

The record also shows that such “deficit hawks” as the current House speaker, John Boehner of Ohio; the current House majority leader, Eric Cantor of Virginia; and the current House Budget Committee chairman, Paul Ryan of Wisconsin, voted for Medicare Part D all the way. Although out of Congress, the former speaker, Newt Gingrich, wrote a commentary in The Wall Street Journal on Nov. 20, 2003, urging all Republicans to vote yes.

Tom DeLay of Texas, then House majority leader, was later criticized by the House ethics committee for bringing undue pressure on Representative Nick Smith of Michigan to switch his vote, which he did not. Mr. DeLay later told a conservative news service that those who voted against Medicare Part D took “the easy way out.”

Three days later, the Senate joined the House in supporting the legislation, which passed by a vote of 54 to 44, with 42 Republicans voting yea and 9 nay. Among those voting yea were such staunch conservatives as Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, Orrin Hatch of Utah and Rick Santorum of Pennsylvania.

When Senator Hatch was later asked why Republicans did not provide Medicare Part D with proper financing, he said, “We didn’t have the votes to pay for it.”

But at least President Bush achieved his goal. According to exit polls, he increased his share of the over-65 vote to 52 percent in 2004.

nytimes.com
Posted By: the G-man Re: Obama lied, healthcare died - 2013-12-11 8:57 PM
Another University Scales Back Insurance Because Of Obamacare: In a direct response to Obamacare, the University of Minnesota has slashed its health care offerings.
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Obama lied, healthcare died - 2013-12-12 12:46 AM
That's pretty close to home for M E M.

Not that he'll acknowledge Obama's hypocritical destructive hand in it.

And that's just the tip of the iceberg.
About 150,000 have signed up for Obamacare.
While 5.5 million have lost the coverage that they were promised they could keep.




OBAMACARE: just the latest liberal-progressive stepping stone toward the destruction of our Constitutional republic.
Posted By: Pariah Re: Obama lied, healthcare died - 2013-12-12 1:08 AM
*right-click, save*

Aside from lacking the phrase "War on Christmas" right after "Multiculturalism," that about sums everything up.
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Obama lied, healthcare died - 2013-12-12 8:18 AM
It does give a nice overview of the liberal war on Western democracy (i.e., Cultural Marxism, a. k. a. post-1960's liberalism).

"War on Christmas" is covered under ANTI-CHRISTANITY MOVEMENT, as well as >> 1962 PRAYER OUT >> 1963 BIBLE OUT and >> 1980 TEN COMMANDMENTS OUT

Although the tentacles of the Left overlap, and as you say, that is also covered under MULTICULTURALISM.
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Obama lied, healthcare died - 2013-12-13 4:06 AM

Courtesy of Gretawire.com...



...the ghetto-ization of Obamacare promotion, by the liberal-progressive scum who, astonishingly, still support him.


I have a friend named Jan who immigrated here from Soviet-controlled Poland, who said it was the same there. "With ads everywhere saying HEY, EVERYTHING'S GREAT, but everyone knows it's shit."

Somehow it's funnier when he says it with a Polish accent. Partly because I credit people of his country with not using the same lowbrow colloquialisms like "shit" that we do, until I hear him use them. And partly because it's funnier when he describes it in a country he left to come here, than having the same authoritarian system rise here,and its propaganda forced down the throats of the American people.
He left Poland to escape authoritarian communist socialism.

If freedom disappears in the U.S., where do people escape to?

Posted By: Pariah Re: Obama lied, healthcare died - 2013-12-13 5:39 AM
As Ukraine has taught us, the people shouldn't escape. They should have simply fixed their own countries.
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Obama lied, healthcare died - 2013-12-13 4:26 PM
By that do you mean the Soviet genocide of Ukranians in the 1930's?

I don't think the Ukranians had much choice in the matter. And the whole world knew it was happening, widely reported, and did nothing to stop it. Just like Czechoslavokia in the same period.
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Obama lied, healthcare died - 2013-12-13 4:27 PM
Posted By: the G-man Re: Obama lied, healthcare died - 2013-12-14 8:33 PM
With Affordable Care Act, Canceled Policies for New York Professionals: Many in New York’s professional and cultural elite have long supported President Obama’s health care plan. But now, to their surprise, thousands of writers, opera singers, music teachers, photographers, doctors, lawyers and others are learning that their health insurance plans are being canceled and they may have to pay more to get comparable coverage, if they can find it.
Posted By: the G-man Re: Obama lied, healthcare died - 2013-12-15 6:23 PM
Reports of erroneous WA health exchange debits:
  • For the second week in a row, the Washington Healthplanfinder website is down, and it's causing problems for people who are dealing with billing issues. Some of them say the website is mistakenly debiting their accounts.

    Shannon Bruner of Indianola logged on to her checking account Monday morning, and found she was almost 800 dollars in the negative.

    “The first thing I thought was, ‘I got screwed,’” she said.

    They're not alone.

    One viewer emailed KING 5 saying, "They drafted my account this morning for a second time."

    Another woman on Facebook with a similar problem commented, "We are all in the same boat."

    “We've got to figure out how to get money to pay the bills for the next week or two until we have another check come through,” said Josh Bruner. “It's just crazy.”

    Washington Healthplanfinder emailed the Bruners a few days ago telling them to log in to view their invoice, something they couldn't do because the website has been down. The Bruners haven't been able to get through on the helpline either. They finally contacted Healthplanfinder administrators by posting a message on their Facebook page.


"If you like your checking account you can keep you checking account."
Posted By: the G-man Re: Obama lied, healthcare died - 2013-12-16 8:40 AM
Maryland health exchange director resigns after questions about vacation: The director of Maryland's troubled health insurance exchange resigned Friday amid ongoing technical problems and questions about a Caribbean vacation she took while the online marketplace faltered.
Posted By: Pariah Re: Obama lied, healthcare died - 2013-12-16 8:53 AM
 Originally Posted By: Wonder Boy
By that do you mean the Soviet genocide of Ukranians in the 1930's?

I don't think the Ukranians had much choice in the matter. And the whole world knew it was happening, widely reported, and did nothing to stop it. Just like Czechoslavokia in the same period.


I mean the recent riots against their government.
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Obama lied, healthcare died - 2013-12-31 9:31 AM
Four years ago:


From free speech in the era of Obama topic:

 Originally Posted By: Wonder Boy, 8-6-2009
 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
 Originally Posted By: the G-man of Zur-En-Arrh
 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
My guess is there isn't a legal issue with this, just cockroaches scurrying around upset that they might get caught.


"Caught" doing what? Exercising their free speech rights?

Zick is tacitly admitting that he thinks people who disagree with Obama are doing something that can get them "caught."



No I'm not. You can disagree with Obama all you want but if there is an organized effort to lie and intimidate others going on I want to know about it. That's what I want caught.


Correction: There is an organized effort BY OBAMA to lie and intimidate others !

The evidence is overwhelming. The Obama secret police are out in force, to slander all opposition, and otherwise intimidate them into silence.

And the beauty is, despite the Obama smear machine, opposition --both spontaneous grassroots opposition, as well as separate organized GOP opposition-- is increasing.
It is having effect, *NOT* because it's a lie, but precisely because the opposition to Obama is true and legitimate in its concerns.

Obama is the one who is lying, who says he isn't trying to destroy private heathcare. When in fact he said "If I had my choice, I'd prefer to set up a single payer system." [i.e., socialized medicine]
And that while he is allowing private healthcare to remain in existence, he anticipates that his state-run healthcare system will take "ten, fifteen, maybe 20 years" to snap the spine of private healthcare and private health insurance, and that advocates of a completely state-run system should just "be patient".
In light of these comments, straight from Obama's mouth and videotaped, readily available on Youtube, who is the liar, M E M ?


Wow, it's almost like all the evidence was there, and you could see this coming 4 years ago.

Over the next year, we will see the financial collapse of Obamacare, and Obama will save it with a federal bailout. And then take us to a federal controlled system, just like he wanted but could not legislate in the first place.

Gee, who would have seen that one coming?
Anyone familiar with what Obama and his Politburo have been saying for years, and has observed their contempt for the U.S. Constitution.


Posted By: the G-man Re: Obama lied, healthcare died - 2013-12-31 3:57 PM
Wow, WB, that almost sounds like a Cloward-Piven move. But that can't be. ;\)
Posted By: Matter-eater Man Re: Obama lied, healthcare died - 2013-12-31 4:10 PM
So when Bush, Boehner, & Cantor expanded medicare and didn't pay for it (or actually anything), this was ok how? Is there any standard besides republican=good, democrat=bad?
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Obama lied, healthcare died - 2014-01-02 8:03 AM
 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
So when Bush, Boehner, & Cantor expanded medicare and didn't pay for it (or actually anything), this was ok how? Is there any standard besides republican=good, democrat=bad?


If you recall, I didn't support the big-government expansions under George W.'s presidency, and there are many posts here during those years to back that up.
G-man also opposed many of Bush's policies.

As I've quoted many times, Pat Buchanan wrote a whole book (released Oct 2004) about where Reagan Conservative Republicans got off the train from the Republican leadership of the Bush years, and foretold it would hurt the Republican brand in the long term. As it certainly did in the 2006 and 2008 elections.

So please don't disingenuously say we didn't voice dissent for these aspects of George W. Bush's "big government" Republican policies. We most certainly DID object.

But don't heap all the blame on Republicans. As I've pointed out repeatedly, The Democrats were eager and willing participants in every one of these big-government policies, passed with overwheming bipartisan support, including the Part D Presription Drug Plan, S-CHIP, and No Child Left Behind, along with other big-ticket domestic spending.
Democrats also overwhelmingly supported --in advance-- the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. As John Kerry famously said "I was for it before I was against it."


So don't try to scapegoat onto Republicans what Democrats had a full and bipartisan hand in.
Posted By: Matter-eater Man Re: Obama lied, healthcare died - 2014-01-02 8:09 AM
So you saw Bush, Cantor & Boehner working Cloward-Piven move and just didn't say it?
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Obama lied, healthcare died - 2014-01-02 8:18 AM
 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
So you saw Bush, Cantor & Boehner working Cloward-Piven move and just didn't say it?


That doesn't even make sense.
1) Bush isn't a student of Saul Alinsky or Cloward/Piven strategy. Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton both are.

2) While the motives of Republicans in the W.Bush years were bipartisanship and not social marxism, I did object to those policies vocally. As is evident in my posts.

Of the 5 trillion in new debt under W.Bush's presidency, 80% of it was for domestic spending and not foreign wars. This domestic spending was a wet dream come true for Democrats, who eagerly supported it.
So again, don't try to heap blame on Bush for what was clearly bipartisan legislation.

On the TARP bailout, while that is blamed on Bush, less Republicans supported it than Democrats.



Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Obama lied, healthcare died - 2014-01-12 9:26 PM




OBAMCACARE: THE SOLYNDRA OF HEALTH CARE PLANS





Posted By: the G-man Re: Obama lied, healthcare died - 2014-01-19 2:40 AM
ObamaCare gets outsourced amid unemployment crisis: Accenture has 80,000 Indian workers, 35,000 in the Philippines and only 40,000 in the United States. Over 40 percent of their worth comes from outsourcing. In all probability, the tech jobs awarded under this contract and paid for with US tax dollars are going abroad.
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Obama lied, healthcare died - 2014-01-28 9:30 PM
Obamacare's outsourcing is not surprising, given that Geoffry Immelt, CEO of G.E., huge financial supporter of Obama, who sat on Obama's "Jobs Commission" and during those years likewise created 80% of G.E.'s jobs overseas.



Geez, you'd almost think these guys were cynics who have no loyalty to America! Ya think?
Posted By: the G-man Re: Obama lied, healthcare died - 2014-02-02 3:34 AM
Labor union officials say Obama betrayed them in health-care rollout: Their complaints reflect a broad sense of disappointment among many labor leaders, who say the Affordable Care Act has subjected union health plans to new taxes and mandates while not allowing them to share in the subsidies that have gone to private insurance companies competing on the newly created exchanges.

\:lol\:
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Obama lied, healthcare died - 2014-02-02 5:47 AM
 Originally Posted By: the G-man
Labor union officials say Obama betrayed them in health-care rollout: Their complaints reflect a broad sense of disappointment among many labor leaders, who say the Affordable Care Act has subjected union health plans to new taxes and mandates while not allowing them to share in the subsidies that have gone to private insurance companies competing on the newly created exchanges.

\:lol\:


Obama's presidency has been pretty radical as it is.

We can be glad the unions and broader Left are disappointed, and not getting the full-on crazy they were hoping for.


Although I suspect that the only reason Obama is not acting even more radically is because he wants to preserve some political viability to use toward other agenda pieces he would still like to enact, such as immigration reform (i.e., amnesty for every illegal he can find).

I suspect that he'll enact an orgy of presidential pardons and executive orders in his last few months, if and when he can't do it legislatively.
Beyond the possibility of strategically choosing his battles to remain politically viable, there's also the real possibility that beyond knowing how to campaign and demagogue, he has no fucking idea how to govern.
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Obama lied, healthcare died - 2014-02-02 5:51 AM


I liked Jay Leno's remark feigning political correctness, saying that its wrong to call them illegal aliens.

"The correct term is Undocumented Democrats."
Posted By: the G-man Re: Obama lied, healthcare died - 2014-02-03 7:23 AM
HealthCare.gov can’t handle appeals of enrollment errors: Tens of thousands of people who discovered that HealthCare.gov made mistakes as they were signing up for a health plan are confronting a new roadblock: The government cannot yet fix the errors.
Posted By: Son of Mxy Re: Obama lied, healthcare died - 2014-02-03 7:32 AM
with all the money your government has, they can't even launch a working information farming and database-building website? There are Indian programmers out there willing to fix that for a couple of hundred dollars.
Posted By: the G-man Re: Obama lied, healthcare died - 2014-02-05 6:59 PM
Congressional Budget Office: ObamaCare could lead to loss of nearly 2.3 million US jobs
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Obama lied, healthcare died - 2014-02-11 6:16 AM


Yeah, a week later the Obama propaganda machine is still trying to contain the damage from that CBO report.
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Obama lied, healthcare died - 2014-02-11 6:19 AM



And...

Washington Post's FACTCHECK Gives Obama's 3.9 million enrollment numbers three Pinnoccios


When even the liberal media stops flying cover, you know Obama has gone way beyond plausible deniability.
Posted By: Matter-eater Man Re: Obama lied, healthcare died - 2014-02-11 6:50 AM
 Originally Posted By: Wonder Boy


Yeah, a week later the Obama propaganda machine is still trying to contain the damage from that CBO report.



Did you read the report? It allows somebody to choose to maybe retire early or work less hours if they want to. It's not a case of employers cutting hours and there's plenty of people willing to work those "lost" jobs.
Posted By: the G-man Re: Obama lied, healthcare died - 2014-02-11 7:22 AM
 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
It allows somebody to choose to maybe retire early or work less hours if they want to.


The DNC (and you) is/are arguing that this is a net benefit because it allows people to stop working and... go on the dole.

When did eschewing work for a form of welfare become a good thing?
Posted By: Matter-eater Man Re: Obama lied, healthcare died - 2014-02-11 8:09 AM
Note I only described what it actually did and you labelled it as a good thing. I would agree considering there's plenty of people unemployed and wanting those jobs.
Posted By: the G-man Re: Obama lied, healthcare died - 2014-02-11 3:29 PM
 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
Note I only described what it actually did and you labelled it as a good thing. I would agree considering there's plenty of people unemployed and wanting those jobs.
so, I was right. You consider people leaving work for welfare a good thing.

Pretty twisted priorities
Posted By: Matter-eater Man Re: Obama lied, healthcare died - 2014-02-11 4:01 PM
No, it's a recognition that this will work like social security and other subsidized healthcare that republicans say they are for.

The CBO indicates Obamacare will actually create more jobs btw. Can we agree that's a good thing?
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Obama lied, healthcare died - 2014-02-15 3:14 PM








Posted By: the G-man Re: Obama lied, healthcare died - 2014-02-28 8:40 PM
Mich. Hospital Cites Obamacare for Recent Job Cuts: ‘We Had No Choice’
  • A northern-Michigan hospital is cutting 43 positions in part because of costs related to the Affordable Care Act, its CEO says. David Zechman of McLaren Northern Michigan told a local television station the layoffs were “something that we had no choice in doing.”

    Zechman cited the changes to Medicaid and Medicare under the health-care law that cut reimbursement rates for the hospital’s services. “We still have the same costs of taking care of patients, but it’s hard to keep doing the same things you’re doing if you’re paid less for the same amount of costs and services you provide — it’s just basic economics,” he said.

    McLaren Northern Michigan joins a growing trend of health-care providers and hospital cutting jobs. In January, the Labor Department reported the number of hospital jobs in America, which has been rising steadily for years, dropped by 4,500 jobs.
 Originally Posted By: the G-man
www.nationalreview.com


Posted By: the G-man Re: Obama lied, healthcare died - 2014-03-07 8:05 PM
Official in charge of Obamacare exchanges resigns: A top U.S. healthcare official, accused of misleading Congress, will resign.
Posted By: the G-man Re: Obama lied, healthcare died - 2014-03-10 6:25 AM
Union report: ObamaCare to worsen income inequality
Posted By: the G-man Re: Obama lied, healthcare died - 2014-03-22 11:13 PM
Associated Press : Obamacare plans bring hefty fees for certain drugs
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Obama lied, healthcare died - 2014-03-23 7:21 AM

Obamacare plans bring fees for just about everything.

What amazes me most is how the average doubling of premiums in many states, and far higher deductibles (up to $10,000!) is no guarantee of receiving actual healthcare coverage.
Plus opening you up to identity theft, plus (like the IRS) potentially sharing your personal information for harassment by other federal agencies, and on and on.
Posted By: the G-man Re: Obama lied, healthcare died - 2014-03-30 7:39 PM
Yankee One Dollar stores to close: Keith Flike blamed the Affordable Care Act and the increase in the state’s minimum wage for the decision to shut down.
Posted By: the G-man Re: Obama lied, healthcare died - 2014-03-31 3:46 PM
As Obamacare deadline looms federal health care website is down for maintenance:

  • The Obama administration's health care website is stumbling on deadline day for sign-ups.

    Visitors to HealthCare.gov on Monday morning saw messages that the site was down for maintenance. At times the visitors were also directed to a virtual waiting room

    A recent analysis for The Associated Press by the performance-measurement firm Compuware found that the government site runs slow compared with health insurance industry peers.
Posted By: the G-man Re: Obama lied, healthcare died - 2014-04-02 6:25 AM
People are choosing between groceries and health insurance: People are worried about going bankrupt if they get sick. News10NBC is hearing dilemma after dilemma from New Yorkers signing up for coverage under the Affordable Care Act.
Posted By: the G-man Re: Obama lied, healthcare died - 2014-04-19 3:18 PM
Associated Press:ObamaCare site flagged in Heartbleed security review
Posted By: the G-man Re: Obama lied, healthcare died - 2014-05-26 6:23 PM
Hospitals Look to Health Law, Cutting Charity: Some have scaled back financial assistance for those without insurance, hoping to push them to sign up for coverage.
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Obama lied, healthcare died - 2014-05-26 7:23 PM


See Wile E. Coyote above.
Posted By: the G-man Re: Obama lied, healthcare died - 2014-05-26 7:26 PM
"Barack H. Obama....soooper genius!"
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Obama lied, healthcare died - 2014-11-11 7:34 PM
Un-fucking-believable:



ObamaCare architect says lack of transparency helped law pass, cites 'stupidity of the American voter'

 Quote:
ObamaCare architect Jonathan Gruber said that lack of transparency was a major part of getting ObamaCare passed, and that it was written in such a way as to take advantage of "the stupidity of the American voter."

Gruber, the MIT professor who served as a technical consultant to the Obama administration during ObamaCare’s design, also made clear during a panel quietly captured on video that the individual mandate, which was only upheld by the Supreme Court because it was a tax, was not actually a tax.

“This bill was written in a tortured way to make sure CBO did not score the mandate as taxes. If CBO scored the mandate as taxes, the bill dies. Okay, so it’s written to do that. In terms of risk-rated subsidies, if you had a law which said that healthy people are going to pay in – you made explicit healthy people pay in and sick people get money, it would not have passed… Lack of transparency is a huge political advantage. And basically, call it the stupidity of the American voter or whatever, but basically that was really, really critical for the thing to pass… Look, I wish Mark was right that we could make it all transparent, but I’d rather have this law than not.”

[The video was from an Oct. 17, 2013 event hosted by the University of Pennsylvania.]




Megyn Kelly, discussing this with former G.W. Bush administration speechwriter Marc Theissen:






Again, how can anyone support Obama and his administration, when they have such an open contempt for voters?
An administration who advance their agenda unapologetically by deceit at every turn. Over and over, with Obamacare, with Benghazi, with the IRS scandal, with DHS, they tell the public one thing and do the exact opposite.
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Obama lied, healthcare died - 2019-06-29 3:21 AM


Remember when Obama gave a State of the Union Address, and assured us that Obamacare wouldn't extend coverage to illegals, and Rep. Joe Wilson of Texas said to Obama: "You lie!" and all the Democrats hyperventilated with outrage that Wilson would accuse Obama of this during his address, and called for his censure by Congress?

Yeah, well...

It turns out that Obama did in fact lie, and coverage is now being extended to illegals, at least it would if any of the 25 Democrat primary candidates for 2020 were elected, and enthusiastically raised their hands onstage to support it in the last 2 days of debates. Not one has voiced the slightest resistance to that idea during the debates.
Only Hickenlooper expressed that he thought it was bad campaign strategy to publicly admit that they want state-provided healthcare for illegals. Not that he disagrees, but that he thought it was bad strategy for Democrats to be honest about their intentions.

So to Democrats, Joe Wilson was right and is vindicated:
"You lie!"





Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Obama lied, healthcare died - 2019-06-29 6:00 AM


I dug up the topic almost 10 years ago when this occurred:

Let's get this out of the way topic, 9-10-2009,

 Originally Posted By: Wonder Boy
The larger question is why Obama is so able to lie unchallenged, rather than why Joe Wilson called him on it.
The media have abdicated their responsibility to expose the truth.

But Obama boldly lies on national television, saying that he didn't plan to include healthcare coverage for illegals, despite that he touted numbers of 47 million uninsured (a number that could not be reached without including illegals).
AFTER Obama was exposed for trying to slip through coverage for illegals. And after his speech last night before both houses of Congress, Obama and his people --without explanation-- suddenly revised their numbers nationally of "Uninsured Americans" down to 30 million. (i.e., the actual number of uninsured, after subtracting illegals from the equation).

Ann Coulter also pointed out today that Republicans had pushed to ban public healthcare funds being amended to include illegals, and Democrats rejected it. Clearly leaving the door open, if the bill is passed in any form.

So... exposure of Obama's lie would be far less without Wilson's "uncivility".

I think a civil servant's job is to tell the American people the truth. In this example, Joe Wilson did that, by giving high exposure to Obama's lie.



It was obvious even then the Dems were lying about their true intentions.


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