RKMBs Forums .::Important::. Politics and Current Events Vetting Romney

I figure it's time to finally start taking a look at who this guy is and the people he associates with.



I'm dedicating this thread to WB & G-man.

Romney's record is public knowledge, unlike Obama's. Even after Obama is finishing his first term, and campaigning for a second, there are huge unexplored gaps in Obama's life.

Obama has never been questioned about how he did drugs and barely passed high school, and yet was able to be accepted to and attend prestigious schools like Occidental College, Columbia University and then Harvard. How an under-achiever like him pulled that off is an undisclosed mystery.
How he paid for his school is another mystery. In his own autobiography he admitted to using drugs, and (unexplored by the media) may have been selling them as well.
Obama's grades and transcripts have never been released either. Even four years into his term as president. Like his predecessors John Kerry and Al Gore, I suspect he has something to hide. But as long as they remain undisclosed, the media can falsely paint him as an academic genius. It turned out that Gore and Kerry were not the academic scholars they were portrayed to be by the media. They demonized Bush as an idiot, but when Kerry's grades were finally released, his GPA was actually lower than Bush's.

He has never been questioned about his Marxist father (Barack Obama Sr) and the fact that his father returned to Kenya to participate in an anti-colonial marxist revolution there.
Obama has never been questioned about the anti-colonial (if not openly marxist) ideology that he is indoctrinated in, as evidenced by his own words in his autobiographical Dreams From My Father. The title alone manifests his shared ideological bond with his father's leftist radicalism.

Obama has never been questioned about his mother's marxism, and hatred of her own culture. From the time she remarried and moved with her second husband Loelo Soetero, taking young Obama with her, to Indonesia. In an argument with Soetero, where he asked how she can have such contempt for her own people, she snapped back: "They're not my people!"
She actually divorced Loelo Soetero because he eased up on marxist ideology, and tried to pursue success in a new Indonesia that was moving toward capitalism and away from marxism.
Obama's mother sent young Obama back to Hawaii to live with his (marxist) grandparents, because she feared Obama would be infected by his stepfather's budding capitalist tendencies, which husband and wife argued about constantly before she divorced him. Also detailed in Obama's own book.

Obama has never been questioned about his mother's death by ovarian cancer. Obama never visited his mother while she was dying, never even attended her funeral.
Ironically, for me the single most powerful thing Obama said was when he was pushing for Obamacare, saying "I want to spare families what I had to go through when my mother was dying of ovarian cancer, having to haggle with her insurance company to prove that hers was not a pre-existing condition, so she would not be denied benefits, while she was dying of cancer."
It turns out that statement of Obama's is completely false. He was uninvolved in her care, and even the slightest loving support of his mother during the years of her death. He never visited her in her final years, and did not attend her funeral.
Obama has never been questioned about this.

Or about Frank Marshall Davis.
Or Rev. Jeremiah Wright.
Or his various openly marxist and anti-american appointees as President: Van Jones, Valerie Jarrett, Ron Bloom, Mark Lloyd.

Obama has never been asked about Jeff Jones, formerly of the Weather Underground, now part of the Apollo Alliance that drafted Obamacare and Obama's other Stimulus legislation.

Obama has never been asked about William Ayers, at whose home Obama had his first campaign fundraiser when Obama began his political career. Obama was executor of funds for Ayers' education grant from the Annenberg Foundation, and the two met regularly to coordinate the disbursement of funds and oversee tha program. An arguably anti-American education program, that bred an iconoclastic hatred of the American establishment in students.

Obama has never been asked about the fact that he wrote cover-blurb praise for one of Ayers' books, and that Ayers wrote cover-blurb praise for Obama's book, that the two had multiple joint speaking appearances, and multiple joint booksignings.

And let's vett Obama about what he's done in the last four years, that has undermined U.S. international power and influence, undermined and shrunk our military, undermined defensive missile systems that would protect us from Russian, Chinese, North Korean, Iranian or other potential missile threats.

Let's vett Obama for tripling our money supply from 800 billion to 3 trillion, that threatens to hyperinflate away every citizen's savings, and to collapse the dollar.

Let's vett Obama for assuring Russian president Medved that Obama can be "much more flexible after the election". At which point he can further undermine our safety.
Let's vett Obama for his underhanded dealings with the Chinese, that further endangers us as a nation, and further endangers every U.S. citizen economically.

Let's vett Obama ideologically, a president who refuses to label islamic terrorists as terrorists, but labels current and retired U.S. military personnel as needing to be investigated by federal authorities as a "potential terrorist threat". The only people Obama is willing to label as terrorists are people who love this country.



Okay, sure, let's vett Romney.

But let's vett Obama too. For real this time.

I didn't know about Romney leading a mob who helped him hold a kid down while he committed hair rape. I was also surprised that he didn't man up and admit to doing that. I didn't know that he put his dog on top of a car for long car rides. I didn't know he had a friend (Vandersloot) who's been a big funder for some things I consider very anti-gay and has used lawsuits or the the threat of to intimidate his critics. Saying that Romney has been vetted just isn't true. We're just getting started. Remember if it was fair to do it to Obama it will also be fair game for Romney.

"hair rape"? And you wonder why no one takes this shit seriously?

If somebody pinned you down and gave you an unwanted hair cut while you cried for help it probably would seem more serious to you. Considering that Romney can't recall the incident he's either a liar or going senile. That might make him an ideal GOP candidate but for the rest of us not so much.

Whoa...whoa....whoa.I have to take issue with this one Pro.

Gul Dukat never smiled

This is the second thread that you cried about the story. Methinks you are taking it seriously...

You just described most kids' first haircut.

More to the point, assuming this did happen, hysterically conflating bullying or any form of unwanted physical contact into rape insults actual sexual assault victims and flies in the face of common sense.

The fact you can't, or won't, see that says more about the pro-Obama camp's desperation and bias than it does about Romney.

The problem with that is Romney was 18 and he was assaulting some picked on kid. Now he says he doesn't remember doing it. You can downplay it all you want but what he says he can't remember, I think that goes into his character.

I'm sorry, MEM, but when you start throwing around terms like "hair rape," we've reached the point where it's not worth taking your argument seriously.

("hair rape"...shakes heads)

that's when you wrap a prostitute's hair on your wee wee and jack off, without her consent, right?

Sorry but apparently posting "hair rape" erases Romney's assault according to G-man.

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His state actually lost considerable ranking. This even got called out on the FOX Sunday morning show.

Is that what you call it? In Oregon we call that a second date.

Romney's firm backed companies that sent jobs overseas

Romney is both non-specific and very specific


Essentially beyond blaming Obama, Romney's campaign gets really vague as to how Romney would do anything.

Wow really? A candidate that blames the sitting president and makes vague promises?

I believe there is a word for people like that. 'Politicians'

Yeah I know they all do that to some degree. Mitt however seems to be setting a record. The article compares Mitt to W when he ran in 2000 for example.

Yeah, who does Romney think he is, blaming a sitting president? Everyone knows a true statesman keeps blaming his predecessor three years into his own term while making vague promises.

Actually more Americans than not also give W the credit for our current economy.

I also don't blame GOP'ers for not caring if Mitt is lacking substance. It sort of reminds me of when it was Bush vs Kerry for me.

If your concern is truly over "lacking substance," poll results are irrelevant. I'm sure we can both think of candidates, on either side, who've enjoyed public support for positions that weren't substantive.

Furthermore, falling back on a poll only undercuts your point, insofar as it seems to indicate that arguments lacking substance can be effective.

yeah!

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Interesting how personal wealth wasn't an issue at all when Al Gore and John Kerry were candidates.

Wealth only becomes objectionable and out-of-touch when it belongs to Republicans.



Likewise college grades and academic performance. Gore and Kerry, by the way, didn't disclose their college transcripts until many months AFTER their failed election bids.
And Barack Obama has never revealed his college transcripts. Or for that matter, how he was even admitted or paid for his tuition at Boston University or Harvard after academically underperforming, "drinking heavily and using drugs enthusiatically" in high school and at Occidental college (Obama's own words, from his autobiography DREAMS FROM MY FATHER)

The liberal media has for 5 years, and continues to, give Obama a major free pass on this. The media absolutely would not let it go when W. Bush let on in 2000 that he even tried cocaine. But here we have a sitting president who not only tried cocaine, but admittedly used it regularly and "enthusiastically" without the slightest trace of apology or remorse, and the media is nowhere to be found. It is not at all a stretch of the imagination that Obama may have sold drugs and used the profits to pay for his college, and incredibly, no one in the media cares.


Romney has used the same tax shelters that many other individuals and businesses have used for decades. Big deal.

Obama gave virtually nothing to charity his entire life until he was president and his lack of charity became an issue (that the liberal media again doesn't report). Romney has a cousin in Africa who lives on 3 dollars a month. Author Dinesh D'Souza created a charity to help the guy when cousin Barack Obama wouldn't, at which point the DNC gave the guy some money to shut him up. What little is reported, both Obama and Biden are notoriously stingy in their 9lack of) charitable givings. And only the public spotlight makes them tick it up slightly in recent years.


While Romney, in contrast, has been very charitable, and even gave away his entire inheritance when his father died.

Are you saying you or say G-man never talked about Kerry or his wife's wealth? Perhaps this would be a good time for you to list what should be off the table in the vetting process. You can make two lists. One for conservatives and one for liberals if that makes it easier for you.

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Only in the context of liberal hypocrisy, where every Republican candidate for 20 years prior to Kerry (in 2004) was held up as an out-of-touch blueblood because of his personal wealth, whereas Kerry's wealth was ignored by all the mainstream liberal media, exalting Kerry as a vissionary and genius, despite his having lower grades than George W. Bush, who they scorned as an idiot. Even within the 2004 campaign, despite Bush having far less wealth than Kerry, W.Bush was portrayed as entitled and callous to the poor.'

My favorite part was where Kerry pushed for a tax on docking boats in Massachusetts, and then docked his own boat out of state to cheat the state out of tens of thousands owed for his own tax.
Do as I say, not as I do.

I just saw John Sununu discuss this. At the time in question, Romney was fully occupied managing the 2002 Winter Olympics, and while his name still appeared on the managing credits of Bain, he was not managing the outsourcing done.

Even a Democrat on the board of Bain at that time, who has also run for political office as a Democrat, has said that for Obama and his slandermeisters at the DNC to allege this is outrageous and a clear distortion.

So Romney owned it all and was the boss but didn't have anything to do with it despite what the SEC filing says. This will be easilly understood by everybody I'm sure.

Mitt is on the record that he was doing business in Massachusetts during Olympics. So the "fully occupied" talking point isn't true.

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Are YOU saying I ever argued that Kerry's wealth by itself somehow disqualified him as president, because I'd love to see that post.

And, no, a post about a double standard in how Kerry's wealth was treated differently than a republican's by the media isn't the same thing.

Both sides bring up wealth when it suits their political needs. Romney's Swiss bank account and whatever he's hiding in the Camen's is all fair game. Who said that disqualifies him to be President? (building strawmen again G-man?)

Romney's going to win and win big. Independents won't fall for that shit again.