Again, until they are specifically identified by name and their Facebook and Twitter posts and personal ideology revealed, there is no way to prove these are actual Trump supporters.
And again: of the 200 or so who entered the Capitol building, only about 35 were involved in clashes with police.
One guy I saw identified from a photo said,"I was just in there looking for a bathroom."
The FBI, Rumsfeld, the conservative judges who Trump appointed who turned down his bogus appeals, William Barr, the media, the entire world except for Trump, Rudy, and yourself, are all part of one big conspiracy to get Bunker Boy.
These are people who came with long clubs and brought THEIR OWN POLICE SHIELDS, which they hand across the crowd to the front of the line so frontline protestors could more effectively fight the police in full riot gear. These people have a lot of experience fighting police in riot situations. Which again is more descriptive of Antifa and BLM (see a few months ago their siege of the White House, where they burned a historic church, and the video of that siege looks a lot like this. )
I don't see Trump supporters having this kind of experience, to know how to combat police. But veteran leftist Antifa and BLM protestors, who have years of experience clashing with police, absolutely do.
The FBI, Rumsfeld, the conservative judges who Trump appointed who turned down his bogus appeals, William Barr, the media, the entire world except for Trump, Rudy, and yourself, are all part of one big conspiracy to get Bunker Boy.
We get it.
I believe I've made a case for that.
The judges and officials you list are people who sold out or were intimidated, because they see the Left as winning and want to be on the winning side (not to be confused with the right side). Because the Left is lawless and will attack them and their families in the street, and Republican conservatives will be pissed off but will not.
This is a marxist revolution, and you should be terrified by it, not gloating.
Again, until they are specifically identified by name and their Facebook and Twitter posts and personal ideology revealed, there is no way to prove these are actual Trump supporters.
And again: of the 200 or so who entered the Capitol building, only about 25 were involved in clashes with police.
One guy I saw identified from a photo said,"I was just in there looking for a bathroom."
The crowd of thousands outside chanting "U S A, U S A !!" is just protesting, they clearly have no idea what is going on with the seige on police just inside.
It could easily be a few infiltrators pretending to be Trump supporters, invisible to those even just a few yards away.
That is the lying narrative you would like to sell.
Leftist extremists are trying to impeach President Trump in his last 12 days, silencing all conservative thought on the subjects of Covid-19, Joe Biden and Hunter Biden foreign corruption and financial payoffs, the corrupt coup that happened in the Nov 3rd election, and now Facebook and Twitter are shutting down Donald Trump's Facebook and Twitter accounts, and those of any prominent Trump supporters or groups, including the accounts and testimonies of former Democrats in the "Walk Away" movement !
It's the Democrat/Left that is starting a Round 2: a Stalinist purge of all dissenting thought.
Liberals who bemoan discrimination, intolerance, restraint of Constitutional freedoms, and promotion of hatred toward various abberant minorities, have absolutely no problem with discriminating against, being intolerant of, restricting Constitutional freedoms of, and directing hate-filled scapegoat rhetoric against conservatives.
EXACTLY what they accuse Republicans/conservatives of doing, is EXACTLY what liberals/Democrats do themselves, to those who oppose their beliefs.
I actually do believe radical trump supporters are not done WB. After this I expect planning and preparation for it is just a given in any case. I would be happy to be wrong btw.
I know your pain, I know you're hurt. We had an election that was stolen from us. It was a landslide election and everyone knows it, especially the other side. But you have to go home now. We have to have peace. We have to have law and order. We have to respect our great people in law and order. We don't want anybody hurt.
It's a very tough period of time. There's never been a time like this where such a thing happened where they could take it away from all of us — from me, from you, from our country. This was a fraudulent election, but we can't play into the hands of these people. We have to have peace. So go home. We love you. You're very special. You've seen what happens. You see the way others are treated that are so bad and so evil.
I know how you feel, but go home, and go home in peace.
The people in siege on the police in this video to me are visible Antifa/Leftists who are very experienced rioters, they are clearly very organized. Their speech and demeanor is that of leftists, wearing superficial Trump clothing, and periodically shouting what they THINK Trump people would say. But all the cameras from all angles make clear this entire attack was done to be videotaped propaganda weapon, to smear Trump supporters.
He told the rioters that he loved them. Does that sound right to you WB?
He told his supporters not to play into the hands of the Democrat/Left. Those who were trying to manipulate them into something that would support the Democrat/Left's narrative. The enemies hiding amongst them. He urged EVERYONE to go home. At every stage, Trump has urged his supporters to press his cause under the LEGAL, CONSTITUTIONAL RULE OF LAW.
And once again, even if a fringe of Trump supporters acted badly, I love how you hold them to a standard you never hold the Democrat/Left to, as your side burned and looted whole blocks of hundreds of cities, ALL YEAR LONG. The siege on the White House that injured 50 Secret Service agents a few months ago, that burned a historic church.
Liberals who bemoan discrimination, intolerance, restraint of Constitutional freedoms, and promotion of hatred toward various abberant minorities, have absolutely no problem with discriminating against, being intolerant of, restricting Constitutional freedoms of, and directing hate-filled scapegoat rhetoric against conservatives.
EXACTLY what they accuse Republicans/conservatives of doing, is EXACTLY what liberals/Democrats do themselves, to those who oppose their beliefs.
Again, until they are specifically identified by name and their Facebook and Twitter posts and personal ideology revealed, there is no way to prove these are actual Trump supporters.
And again: of the 200 or so who entered the Capitol building, only about 25 were involved in clashes with police.
One guy I saw identified from a photo said,"I was just in there looking for a bathroom."
Originally Posted by Wonder Boy
But even assuming they are actual Trump supporters, it is your side that drove them to it, by cheating them on election day, and then depriving them of any outlet of dissent, appeal, investigation, or any avenue to redress/appeal government leadership or the courts.
Again, until they are specifically identified by name and their Facebook and Twitter posts and personal ideology revealed, there is no way to prove these are actual Trump supporters.
And again: of the 200 or so who entered the Capitol building, only about 25 were involved in clashes with police.
One guy I saw identified from a photo said,"I was just in there looking for a bathroom."
Originally Posted by Wonder Boy
But even assuming they are actual Trump supporters, it is your side that drove them to it, by cheating them on election day, and then depriving them of any outlet of dissent, appeal, investigation, or any avenue to redress/appeal government leadership or the courts.
Okay, you seem to be implying my above two quotes are in contradiction, but they're not. But you're not inside my head following my train of thought, so I'll try to clarify.
If you're completely honest, you can't say for certain these were Trump supporters attacking the police, because they have not been identified and apprehended. Likewise, if I'm completely honest, the same argument is true on my end, that they have not yet been identified and arrested, and not had their online history, posted comments and ideology revealed, so I can't say for certain that they are Antifa/Leftists. So my two statements are not contradictory, because either one could still be true at this point. But as I posted, I see their methods as more consistent with those of battle-hardened Antifa and BLM protestors, not with the behavior of Trump supporters.
I've watched a lot of coverage on multiple channels over the last 2 days, and watching OAN in particular, there are growing inconsistencies that indicate Antifa/BLM false-flag involvement. Some of it I've posted above. A guy with an 8 PM Monday-Friday show on OAN named Dan Ball (who I honestly don';t particularly like) had some good guests on his show Friday, that I saw replayed this morning. The first guest was a federal contract security specialist who routinely walks in crowds at Washington DC protest rallies as (in equivalent military terms) a forward observer, surveiling the crowds for bad players to give police advance warning, and he walked among Trump protestors at the rally. And then later among them as they moved toward the Capitol building where the clash with police happened. The security specialist said that his experience told him that the rioters had a different personality and demeanor that set them apart from the rest of Trump supporters, as people who had a threatening and almost military demeanor. Not cheerful, respectful and jovial as most at the event were, but instead like agents on a mission, there to cause trouble. On one occasion he notified other officers to take out two that were carrying knives. He said that, from his experience with years of previous demonstrations on the DC grounds, that there were about 35 or 40 that he identified as aggressive players on a mission. He said the mission guys were not all together, but in smaller groups of two or three, until the 35 or 40 joined up outside the Capitol building.
I've also seen similar interviews with about a dozen other Trump ralliers and reporters covering the event that day, and each observed the same thing. They also observed that there was very lax security by Capitol police, and they were surprised to be waved by checkpoint after checkpoint, no resistance from police, and then they were similarly waved inside the Capital building itself, that in retrospect they see as a trick, to set them up for the later allegations. They also said there is more than one entrance, about 100-200 went in and walked around peacefully inside, others could hear the clash elsewhere in the building, or intermittently wandered into the middle of it. Participants interviewed on programs like Stinchfield (Newsmax), Tucker Carlson, Hannity, Laura Ingraham, and Greg Kelly (Newsmax). There were also people dressed as Trump supporters saying "come on, this way!" leading Trump supporters up to, and some into, the Capitol.
Today I watched about an hour of Orwell's CNN, just for laughs, and it was surreal their version of events. To watch and believe CNN, Trump gave a speech that was incendiary and directly "incited" the mob of Trump protestors directly on their path to violence. You could almost feel the Trump-hate radiating in hot waves off my TV while watching CNN's version. Well, if that was true, then the violence would have started immediately after Trump's speech, and Trump supporters would have immediately after marched to the Capitol and burst into violence. The only problem is, Trump gave his speech at noon, and the violence didn't start until some time after 2 PM. So they sat around, not stirred to action for quite a while, and probably had forgotten about Trump's speech by that point.
SO SOMETHING ELSE stirred them into making a vigorous protest outside the Capitol, and maybe 200 went inside. As I said, what stirred them to anger was **NOT** Trump's 12-noon speech, it was the news that V P Mike Pence for no clear reason had pulled the plugon the Senate and House members who were going tomake a vigorous case against awarding unlawful electors in multiple contested states. Josh Hawley, Ted Cruz, Mo Brooks and other Republican legislators were going to spend several days debating the election result, on-camera on the joint-session Capitol floor, making their case to the American people. Even if the task of seating alternate electors was ultimately doomed to failure in the end, the Republicans loyal to Trump would have at least been able to make their case to the American people in the televised hearings, that the liberal media, propagandists in the Democrat party, at Facebook, Twitter and Google had up to that point collaboratively hidden from the American people. All anyone expected was to be able to make their case, win or lose. They were cheated of that by Pence for reasons not satisfactorally stated in a logical argument. As were the protestors outside cheated by Pence as well, And by Kelly Loeffler, Lindsey Graham and others who welched on their promise to wage the electoral fight. As were 74 million Trump voters nationwide cheated. As well as the 48% of independents, and the 30% of Democrats, who ALSO believe the election was rigged and needed a public debate of that evidence. All cheated of an appropriate review of the evidence.
Jack Posobiec (field reporter for OAN, and also a war veteran) was reporting from among the Trump crowd that day, and at key points went to the roof of the Capitol building to observe from a wider vantage point. He estimated there were about 5,000 protesters gathered around and in the Capitol during the events in question, overwhelmingly peaceful. Posobiec likewise said, having covered many BLM riots over the last year, as well as many Trump rallies, that what he observed at the Capitol violence was more consistent with the organized practiced military-like operations of BLM or Antifa, and not at all like the people at many previous Trump rallies he'd observed. Posobiec said that he'd been on the ground during THREE such Trump rallies in the area, JUST SINCE THE ELECTION, and that this was the ONLY one that uncharacteristically turned the slightest bit violent. And against previous estimates I quoted from other sources, Posobiec estimated the total crowd on the entire grounds (not just the Capitol area) to be "well over 100,000" Trump protesters.
The leader from a Utah BLM group, named John Sullivan, who I linked previously, was mentioned a lot. Sullivan was interviewed INSIDE THE CAPITOL by CNN ! Sullivan was speculated to have led either some or all of the "Trump supporters" into violence, and certainly has a long record of such militant action and threats with BLM. With his previously vocally stated hatred of Trump and Trump supporters, he certainly wasn't there to protest in support of Trump. Sullivan has repeatedly expressed wanting to physically harm Trump supporters, and a false-flag operation would fill the bill for that nicely.
OAN...because even FoxNews isn't immune to reality.
Whatever that snark is supposed to mean. It's clear I viewed the POV of a number of sources, not just OAN. But OAN often reports, with sources, what others will not.
They often show the other newtorks mocking them on stories the liberal media spins as "conspiracy theory", where OAN reviews the sourced facts, and challenges CNN, MSNBC and other attackers to prove their facts are wrong, which CNN and the others never seem able to do.
Joe Biden's treasonous millions from Ukraine, Russia, China and Romania. Hunter Biden's laptop. Hydroxychloroquine prescribed for Covid-19 that is saving lives in nations worldwide. Proveable corruption in the Nov 3rd election.
Just a few examples.
And OAN was the ONLY channel to broadcast all the election hearings across all 6 states over the last 2 months. Ignored by even Fox and CNN.
Because FoxNews knew those hearings were full of shit too...
Since you never watched them, how would you know?
Many who testified were IT specialists, IT business owners, police officers familiar with elections over decades, election workers familiar with elections over decades, investigators who specialize in uncovering corporate fraud, and an impressive army Colonel who worked in information wars and cyber-war. They showed that there were districts in multiple states with voter participation at 90%, 96%, and in multiple counties in Michigan and Georgia, counties with 100% or more voter turnout. That's more votes than there are voters!
Over 20,000 dead voters in Michigan. Almost 10,000 dead voters in Pennsylvania. Tens of thousands of double voters in each state. Thousands of illegal immigrants voting in each state. Thousands of voters with bogus illegal non-residential addresses, coming in to vote from out of state. If these alone were omitted as the invalid votes they are, that ALONE would have eliminated Biden's margin of error in each of these states.
In Pennsylvania, Georgia and Michigan, rules for mail-in ballots were changed by the secretaries of state, and signed off by the governor, despite that they don't have the authority to do so. Changes to election law in these states requires a lengthy process involving several rounds of legislature passing laws, and very public debate. Done in secret and bypassing that constitutional law, and therefore illegal.
The state supreme courts rigged the game, and wouldn't even look at the evidence.
The U S Supreme Court similarly was intimidated, and refused to look at the evidence.
State legislators mostly sat on their hands, intimidated by the Democrat/Left.
Finally, Josh Hawley, Louis Gohmert, and other legislators finally got it together to actually demand and push for a fair investigation.
And all that was needed was for Vice President Mike Pence to finally at least allow the case to be publicly heard and debated, but instead pulled out the rug on ...y with unbelievable levels of corruption. And they'll do it again, because they got away with it EVEN THIS TIME, even as over-the-top as the corruption was in this election.
And the Democrats are probably shredding the evidence as we speak. When at least 50% of the entire nation at least suspects the election was illegitimate (over 80% of Republicans, 48% of Independents, even 30% of Democrats) the circumstances scream for a public debate of the evidence. But instead the Democrats just steal the election and expect us to take it. Not to get mad. Not to get violent. Meanwhile BLM and Antifa run wild, unprosecuted, burning cities nationwide. And the Bidens and the Clintons count their corrupt millions from foreign governments, as the Democrats continue to sell us out, not wanting to offend China who just destroyed us with Covid-19. As China stands ready to do it again. Why not, what punishment did they get the last two times? And their generals openly talking about wanting to kill Americans, revealed to be paying Taliban to kill Americans in Afghanistan, flooding our country with Fentanyl that kills over 70,000 Americans a year, more each year than in 25 years of the Vietnam war. And rapidly stockpiling more nukes with better guidance systems to fire at us. Likewise Iran. Likewise North Korea. Democrats cynically planning a flood of illegals across our southern border, to quickly destroy what Trump spent 4 years fixing, the first president in over 50 years to do so.
Sorry that OAN, FOX, Newsmax, Townhall, The Federalist, JustTheNews.com, Lou Dobbs, Maria Bartiromo, EpochTimes and other sources give you inconvenient facts you are immune to hearing. Time after time, these sources get it right... while CNN, MSNBC, New York Times, Washington Post, and the other liberal Newspeak gets it wrong.
Because FoxNews knew those hearings were full of shit too...
Finally, Josh Hawley, Louis Gohmert, and other legislators finally got it together to actually demand and push for a fair investigation.
Okay...I'm bett... At least, Pariah has the excuse of just being batshit insane and currently planning for the blackout. You're here making a hero out of Louie fucking Gohmert.
Also, the Blue Lives Matter folks and the MAGA movement killed a Trump supporting cop.
AGAIN: No one has been identified and arrested for that crime, so you can't say it was a "Trump supporter", and not an Antifa activist infiltrating the rally PRETENDING to be a Trump supporter. I don't see where anyone has even gotten photos or video footage of the one who killed officer Sicknick.
It's an absolute fact that police were briefed and looking for Antifa hidden among Trump supporters, and some have been identified. It's also a fact that of the 5 who died, one was a police officer (Brian Sicknick) clubbed unconscious with a fire extinguisher, one was a 35-year old female retired air force veteran (Ashli Babbitt) who was UNARMED and was shot dead by police climbing through a window, and the other 3 were unrelated to the protests and were "medical emergencies", a heart attack, a stroke, and another unspecified who died receiving CPR. So when propagandists in the leftist media say 5 killed by Trump protestors, those are the true facts, in contrast to the lying anti-Trump propaganda.
It's also a fact that Josh Hawley, Louis Gohmert, Ted Cruz and other Republicans began making a solid a case for election fraud and seating alternate electors, and were undermined and shut down by V P Mike Pence, who abdicated and gave legitimacy to the corruption, rather than exposing and overturning it. It's also true that Rep Gohmert was a prosecutor for many years before he became a House member.
WB... “It's also a fact that Josh Hawley, Louis Gohmert, Ted Cruz and other Republicans began making a solid a case for election fraud and seating alternate electors, and were undermined and shut down by Mile Pence, who abdicated and gave legitimacy to the corruption, rather than exposing and overturning it. It's also true that Rep Gohmert was a prosecutor for many years before he became a House member. ”
Opinions are not facts. After losing multiple court cases these pos were just regurgitating what didn’t hold up in court. They did this after the capital was stormed by pro-trump supporters. Chants of “hang Pence” is Pence’s reward for doing what he had to do following the Constitution. Only in fucked up democracy hating bat shit crazy maga world did Pence have the power to do what trumpers wanted. He spent the whole term enabling the orange turd. Do you really believe he wouldn’t of done more if he could have. Particularly now that he can spend the rest of his life worried about fanatics from your side going after him?
Trump btw can’t bother mentioning or honoring the capital police officer that died trying to defend the capital from the pro-Trump mob. His supporters don’t seem to care either.
Trump btw can’t bother mentioning or honoring the capital police officer that died trying to defend the capital from the pro-Trump mob. His supporters don’t seem to care either.
Trump btw can’t bother mentioning or honoring the capital police officer that died trying to defend the capital from the pro-Trump mob. His supporters don’t seem to care either.
Trump losing his twitter account is more important to him.
I don’t think the officer’s death even rises past whatever trump wants for a snack at any given moment. Trump wanted the capital to be stormed so the officer’s death is a nuisance.
Trump btw can’t bother mentioning or honoring the capital police officer that died trying to defend the capital from the pro-Trump mob. His supporters don’t seem to care either.
Trump losing his twitter account is more important to him.
I don’t think the officer’s death even rises past whatever trump wants for a snack at any given moment. Trump wanted the capital to be stormed so the officer’s death is a nuisance.
Trump was more upset that Capitol mob looked ‘low class’ than about violent attacks, reports say
As a mob of his supporters stormed the US Capitol on Wednesday, Donald Trump was reportedly unconcerned about the destruction or insurrection taking place but instead how the violent extremists appeared “low-class”.
The president’s ardent loyalists breached security measures and clashed with police, injuring at least 14 people and killing one officer, in the wake of Mr Trump’s fiery speech filled with falsities about the 2020 election.
Mr Trump had called on the audience, which had gathered in DC from across America, to march to the Capitol building as Congress convened to certify the results of his electoral defeat to President-elect Joe Biden.
What followed was a violent and historic scene: QAnon conspiracy theorists dressed in furs, domestic terrorists waving confederate flags, and hundreds of men and women in Trump campaign gear ransacking lawmakers’ offices. Some took the Senate dais and echoed the president’s false claims of voter fraud.
Mr Trump was apparently turned off by the chaotic scene, although not due to the assault on the US government but according to New York Magazine, because his supporters looked “low-class”.
“He doesn’t like low class things,” an anonymous White House source told the magazine.
Donald Trump was annoyed by the violent siege on the Capitol Wednesday — which left several dead — because it looked “low class,” according to his adviser. “He doesn’t like low class things.”
— Olivia Nuzzi (@Olivianuzzi) January 8, 2021 Other reports indicated the president’s disapproval of his supporters’ appearances while attacking the Capitol, rather than focusing on how to end the disorder.
The Washington Post cited sources who said Mr Trump was more upset about how the mob looked “low-class” than how it was disrupting the work of government. A close adviser to the president told the newspaper Mr Trump was “bemused” by the attacks.
Mr Trump was also reportedly furious that Vice President Mike Pence declined to intervene in the certification of the national vote. However the vice president serves in a mostly-symbolic role throughout the typically mundane procedures and could not have stepped in to override.
But that’s exactly what the president wanted him to do: In a tweet on the morning of the riots, Mr Trump wrote: “If Mike Pence does the right thing, we win the election. He has the absolute right to do it.”
The vice president did not have the “absolute right” to override the will of the American people. Mr Trump went on to release a video during the Capitol mob attacks in which he continued to promote outright falsities surrounding the election. Twitter temporarily blocked the president’s account on Wednesday before issuing a permanent ban on Friday.
A wave of social media platforms have since suspended the president from posting for at least the next two weeks, with Facebook’s CEO Mark Zuckerberg saying the president would not be given back control of his account until an orderly transition of power could be conducted.
Several of those social media platforms cited specific threats that had been made for follow-up attacks, as well as the president’s encouragement of the mob that stormed the Capitol, for their blocks on his accounts.
The White House did not immediately return a request for comment.
Antifa, disguised as "Trump suporters", seem to think so.
It's comforting that Democrats, who have been unanimously bashing police and calling to defund police FOR A YEAR, now suddenly support police, when they are defending THEIR worthless Democrat-Bolshevik lives.
Regardless of the Democrat rhetoric feigning police support, police unions nationwide supported Trump in the Nov 2020 election, many of them endorsing a Republican presidential candidate for the first time.
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