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At least a few days and possibly forever as they try to find a new host because Amazon kicked them in their "no, we promise that it isn't French...fuck the frogs!" bullshit nuts.

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That didn't even make enough sense for me to respond to.


But it sounds from your topic title like you're cheering on the idea of killing Parler, a site that offers a much-needed alternative to Facebook, Twitter and Youtube, an alternative that doesn't completely shut down communication from the conservative side of the aisle. I think competition and other forums for dialogue and dissent is a good thing, even though up till now I haven't felt an urgency to join Parler.

But Facebook, Twitter, Youtube and Google are monstrously powerful monopolies, that need to be taken down. And needless to say, they interfered in the 2016 and even more so 2020 elections. Even without their unholy alliance with the Democrat party, these monopolies were a huge threat. How much more so now?

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No one is saying they can't have their own site...they're just saying they won't sponsor them with their shit. Big difference. Why do you hate the market?

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Originally Posted by iggy
No one is saying they can't have their own site...they're just saying they won't sponsor them with their shit. Big difference. Why do you hate the market?

Bullying them into bankruptcy by taking Parler out of available Apple options and other retail sign-up outlets makes Parler's survival and growthunnecessarily harder. I've really grown to hate Facebook and Twitter for their malevolent and monopolistic business practices, and suppression of free speech.. Likewise Google. A corporate world that squeezes out all small and midsize competitors means we all pay more for everything, and are at the mercy of companies like Google, Facebook and Twitter with nowhere else left to go. Microsoft as well uses unfair leverage to push out competition. And then they ally themselves with the Democrat/Socialist left, for EVEN MORE power.

OBAMANOMICS by Tim Carney details corporte abuses of free markets and government regulation to squeeze out ther smaller competitors, who can't as easily absorb the increased overhead costs. And all companies pass on that additional cost by passing them over to consumers, in higher prices of their product, whether food or gas or computers or insurance.

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Originally Posted by iggy
No one is saying they can't have their own site...they're just saying they won't sponsor them with their shit. Big difference. Why do you hate the market?

Monopolies aren't a free market.

But, yeah, sure. We can all have free speech....just as long as a we have vast sums of money to set up our own servers, hire our own IT people to maintain them.

And, just like somebody probably could have drilled for and sold oil in their back yard to compete with Standard Oil back in the day. And two guys with some copper wire could have certainly avoided the need to break up Ma Bell back in the day.

Meanwhile, Big Tech has moved on to taking away email accounts from people whose opinions they don't like.

How long until Iggy's idea of the free market says who can and can't have a telephone and what they can and can't say on it?

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Under Iggy's idea of the free market, the police should be able to hire the Pinkerton Detective agency to break into his home, seize his drug stash and there'd be no Fourth Amendment violation.

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    Liberals who bemoan discrimination, intolerance, restraint of Constitutional freedoms, and promotion of hatred toward various abberant minorities, have absolutely no problem with discriminating against, being intolerant of, restricting Constitutional freedoms of, and directing hate-filled scapegoat rhetoric against conservatives.

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Originally Posted by the G-man
Originally Posted by iggy
No one is saying they can't have their own site...they're just saying they won't sponsor them with their shit. Big difference. Why do you hate the market?

Monopolies aren't a free market.

But, yeah, sure. We can all have free speech....just as long as a we have vast sums of money to set up our own servers, hire our own IT people to maintain them.

And, just like somebody probably could have drilled for and sold oil in their back yard to compete with Standard Oil back in the day. And two guys with some copper wire could have certainly avoided the need to break up Ma Bell back in the day.

Meanwhile, Big Tech has moved on to taking away email accounts from people whose opinions they don't like.

How long until Iggy's idea of the free market says who can and can't have a telephone and what they can and can't say on it?


What we have now is like if Thomas Edison created electricity, but would only provide it to people and companies who agreed with him politically.

Or in the example of Parler, allowed them to grow to a certain size, then not only cut off their electricity access, but simultaneously took away a company's product suppliers, distribution trucks and retail sales outlets, AND business attorneys, and said "Well, you can stay in business, but you have to replace all these essential components at the same time within 24 hours."

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Note the g-man’s & WB’s that were all good with republicans trying throw out election results to keep trump in power also want companies to supply platforms for future far right terrorists activities.


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Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
Note the g-man’s & WB’s that were all good with republicans trying throw out election results to keep trump in power also want companies to supply platforms for future far right terrorists activities.

The man who wants his political opponents put in gulags weighs in.

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I just hate evil g-man


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Originally Posted by the G-man
As long as they vote Republican, that's all that matters.


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I think there probably is some bipartisan work that can be done on big tech during the Biden administration but terrorism wether it’s right wing or others isn’t going to be okay. Like 9/11 the capital being stormed by pro-trumpers has changed things.


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Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
I just hate evil g-man

The problem here is you define “evil” as both any viewpoint that conflicts in any substantive way and any activity, even if wholly legal, that might oppose your goals as such. And when you define something as “evil” you then adopt a draconian “ends justify the means” approach against anyone engaged in your definition of same.

Case in point: I’ve never advocated for violent insurrection or any attempt to overturn a legally cast vote. All I’ve done is argue there was nothing illegitimate about using constitutional means to challenge potentially illegal activity. For that, you advocate I should be forced into silence.

That attempt at quelling debate is, would submit , the true evil

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Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
Note the g-man’s & WB’s that were all good with republicans trying throw out election results to keep trump in power also want companies to supply platforms for future far right terrorists activities.

That's total B.S., M E M.

Trump and his legal team aren't trying to "throw out" votes or election results, they are only trying to enforce existing election laws and throw out illegal ballots, throwing out ballots that would be illegal and rejected IN ANY PREVIOUS ELECTION. Democrats even illegally changed election laws to include EVEN MORE illegal ballots, by executive orders from the secretaries of states and then the governors of Georgia, Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin. But their state constitutions clearly say those laws can only be changed by their state legislators, NOT by these executives. Not to mention 2 dozen different forms of organized cheating in each state, and flipping tens of thousands of votes in Biden's favor with Dominion voting machines. With a Dominion executive, Eric Coomer, who set up these machines in each state who is an Antifa member and said "Trump isn't going to win, I made f--ing sure of that."

What is your problem with the Constitutional rule of law, M E M ?

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And by the oddest coincidence, the people who set up and ran those voting machines are all leftists of the same philosophy !

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Originally Posted by the G-man
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
I just hate evil g-man

The problem here is you define “evil” as both any viewpoint that conflicts in any substantive way and any activity, even if wholly legal, that might oppose your goals as such. And when you define something as “evil” you then adopt a draconian “ends justify the means” approach against anyone engaged in your definition of same.

Case in point: I’ve never advocated for violent insurrection or any attempt to overturn a legally cast vote. All I’ve done is argue there was nothing illegitimate about using constitutional means to challenge potentially illegal activity. For that, you advocate I should be forced into silence.

That attempt at quelling debate is, [I] would submit , the true evil

For M E M and the Democrat "socialist"/Marxist Left, what serves the party is moral, what doesn't serve the party is (or becomes through propaganda and changing the rules) immoral.

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after Wednesday you can bs all you want or try substitute your political definitions in place of mine but you guys would have both allowed election results to be changed to keep that thing in power. Or substitute pro-trump electors switched over the legal ones. Or Pence apparently having the power to decide who won. Our votes are one of the few bits of power we have. I recognize that if either party succeeds in making voting worthless we are all screwed. And I see that as truly evil. And after Wednesday the country can see the threat and evil quite clearly.


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Originally Posted by the G-man
Originally Posted by iggy
No one is saying they can't have their own site...they're just saying they won't sponsor them with their shit. Big difference. Why do you hate the market?

Monopolies aren't a free market.

But, yeah, sure. We can all have free speech....just as long as a we have vast sums of money to set up our own servers, hire our own IT people to maintain them.

And, just like somebody probably could have drilled for and sold oil in their back yard to compete with Standard Oil back in the day. And two guys with some copper wire could have certainly avoided the need to break up Ma Bell back in the day.

Meanwhile, Big Tech has moved on to taking away email accounts from people whose opinions they don't like.

How long until Iggy's idea of the free market says who can and can't have a telephone and what they can and can't say on it?

Sorry you have wandered out of this forum in twenty fucking years and experienced the world of Gab, Telegram, Tik Tok or any of the other social media sites available not owned by facebook or twitter, you aged fuckhole of stupid,.

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Originally Posted by the G-man
Originally Posted by iggy
No one is saying they can't have their own site...they're just saying they won't sponsor them with their shit. Big difference. Why do you hate the market?

Monopolies aren't a free market.

But, yeah, sure. We can all have free speech....just as long as a we have vast sums of money to set up our own servers, hire our own IT people to maintain them.

And, just like somebody probably could have drilled for and sold oil in their back yard to compete with Standard Oil back in the day. And two guys with some copper wire could have certainly avoided the need to break up Ma Bell back in the day.

Meanwhile, Big Tech has moved on to taking away email accounts from people whose opinions they don't like.

How long until Iggy's idea of the free market says who can and can't have a telephone and what they can and can't say on it?

Mister wants to suck Google cock, but doesn't want to obey its rule to not bite. Fuck off, you fucking moron.

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Originally Posted by iggy
No one is saying they can't have their own site...they're just saying they won't sponsor them with their shit. Big difference. Why do you hate the market?

So your avatar isn't ironic....I'm actually not that surprised.

Rent-seeking for the win I suppose....

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Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man


I love how you constantly accuse conservatives of EXACTLY what leftist tech giants and BLM and Antifa and the liberal media are guilty of.

BLM and Antifa routinely use Facebook and Twitter to organize and coordinate their riots and flash mobs.

Regarding the liberal media: Journo-List in 2008 revealed the extent that liberal media was self-incriminatingly brainstorming ways to slander and destroy McCain/Palin with false narratives.
And later in the Wikileaks dump of internal DNC e-mails in July 2016, even how to use a false anti-semitic narrative to destroy Democrat rival Bernie Sanders, so as to give the nomination to Hillary Clinton.

Project Veritas has on multiple occasions exposed video of the highest people in Google and Facebook boasting of their actions to crush fair elections with their power.

And in this article, it was only speculated that there is anything incriminating of Parler, where ANY violent attacks were ACTUALLY discussed and coordinated on Parler. None were disclosed. They just say they are "observing" and "assessing" saved messages from Parler.
Also, is it reaally "hacking" to just save messages posted on Parler? I didn't see it discussed where this " @donk_enby" person actually penetrated some hidden database to save these posts.

And isn't it interesting that they didn't do the same "hacking" to Facebook and Twitter regarding attacks of BLM and Antifa in hundreds of cities nationwide over the last year? Holding Parler accountable for any possible planned violence on Parler's forum, without holding Facebook and Twitter to the same standard. Assuming there is anything on Parler, because they had absolutely nothing to report, beyond the insinuation that there's something there to find.


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I would point out I didn’t accuse anyone, just posted a link.


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Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
I think there probably is some bipartisan work that can be done on big tech during the Biden administration but terrorism wether it’s right wing or others isn’t going to be okay. Like 9/11 the capital being stormed by pro-trumpers has changed things.

You're milking that lying narrative for all it's worth.

BLM and Antifa have committed more violence and insurrection in the last year than Trump supporters could eve hope to.

And based on the action Biden, Pelosi and Schumer have telegraphed they plan, theirs is the greatest assault on the United States in its history.

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Given that you supported Trump’s lies and attempts to steal the election I’m not sure you’re such a great critic on what an assault on the US looks like WB.


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Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
after Wednesday you can bs all you want or try substitute your political definitions in place of mine but you guys would have both allowed election results to be changed to keep that thing in power. Or substitute pro-trump electors switched over the legal ones. Or Pence apparently having the power to decide who won. Our votes are one of the few bits of power we have. I recognize that if either party succeeds in making voting worthless we are all screwed. And I see that as truly evil. And after Wednesday the country can see the threat and evil quite clearly.


You're such a fucking liar. We would exclude only UNLAWFUL and ILLEGAL votes:

Votes by people who can be proven to be dead, and therefore could not possibly be legitimate votes.
Votes by illegal immigrants, again unqualified to vote.
Votes by people who listed false addresses.
People who double voted. Is it "taking away" your vote to eliminate duplicate votes, M E M ?
Plus about 2 dozen other Democrat illegal voting schemes.

It is not us who are trying to pull a fast one and illegally win the election, it is YOUR side. YOUR side, the Democrat-Bolshevik party, who is making votes worthless by manipulating the system, and threatening and shutting down any discussion that would expose it.


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Parler is going down faster than g-troll's wife at a DNC convention!


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I really don’t get the1984 comparison. It’s been a long time since I’ve read it but in a 1984 world private companies wouldn’t be able to control their platforms. Big brother (trump) would have control over all that and Hannity or newsmax like content would probably be considered to far to the left to exist.


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Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
I really don’t get the1984 comparison. It’s been a long time since I’ve read it but in a 1984 world private companies wouldn’t be able to control their platforms. Big brother (trump) would have control over all that and Hannity or newsmax like content would probably be considered to far to the left to exist.

So you’ve changed your mind about that baker having to make the gay wedding cake. Cool.

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Thank goodness trump didn’t have control!!


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Originally Posted by the G-man
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
I really don’t get the1984 comparison. It’s been a long time since I’ve read it but in a 1984 world private companies wouldn’t be able to control their platforms. Big brother (trump) would have control over all that and Hannity or newsmax like content would probably be considered to far to the left to exist.

So you’ve changed your mind about that baker having to make the gay wedding cake. Cool.

What? Did you change your mind on that and feel I did too? You throw out 1984 references but ignore the most obvious comparison to big brother g-man.


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What are we supposed to be seeing there g-man?


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