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O'reilly's cited facts of the crimes and other assorted craziness of the protestors, vs. the half-baked opinionated brat-noise of some OWS liberal snot.

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 Originally Posted By: Wonder Boy
FAUXNews said it so it must be true!


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 Originally Posted By: Prometheus
This is exactly what we're talking about here, David. When asked to give an example of FAUXNews "fair & balanced" you can only regurgitate what their very anchors have TOLD you to say and think. That's not objectivity. That's insular logic designed to keep your thought process corralled within their framework of political ethics and morals.



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I gave several other examples from multiple sources in the other OWS topic, not "just FOX News" as you like to allege.

Even as you constantly post sources and propaganda about OWS from sites farther left than MSNBC.

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Liberal Sorospiracy!


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Anyone who is opposed to The Occupy Movement will use whatever means necessary to try and smear or destroy it. It's okay, though. Let them create as many fantasy "sins" as they can muster for it. Let them rail on and on about "Evil Liberals". It's all they got faced with the truth that they are backing the wrong side. Let them fall with the rest of the sheep. Doesn't matter. Like Gandhi said: First they ignore you, then they mock you, then they fight you, then you win.

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The more the Corporate Media and Shills fight against this Movement, the more I know that it's the absolute best thing to do for American society. Time to shake off the ignorant corrupt dinosaurs and allow actual freedom to reign. Time to stop letting corporate interests control policy and minds.

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 Originally Posted By: Wonder Boy
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AAAGH!! WB busted me on the facts!

So I'll gloat and \:lol\: endlessly till everyone is so bored, they might not notice that WB wiped the floor with me.


It's okay, Pro. It's okay...




I can play your game too, Pro.

I'd rather have an actual discussion, but if you want to go this route, I can respond in kind, until we're the last two people on these boards.

What you post is a waste of time that has absolutely no connection to the facts. Which I posted, and you dodged.
With your ad-hominem infantile bullshit.

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 Originally Posted By: Wonder Boy
Why won't you take FAUXNews seriously?!?! I HOPE A MARINE STABS YOU IN THE EYE!


Whoa! Whoa! Easy David, easy. Calm down...

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Time to stop letting corporate interests control policy and minds.


so, government interests, then. or are you just referring to everyone else's 'corporate interests'? because it'd be a bitch to try and totally swear off supporting the eeeeeevil machine. there's more than one cookie cutter out there, after all.


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Time to stop letting corporate interests control policy and minds.


so, government interests, then. or are you just referring to everyone else's 'corporate interests'? because it'd be a bitch to try and totally swear off supporting the eeeeeevil machine. there's more than one cookie cutter out there, after all.


Destroy it all and let God sort it out. I was raised to know how to grow my own crops. I don't mind being part of the next social evolution.

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"crops". ;\)

just jackin with ya d00d. honestly, though, I think you're being a little too optimistic about 'social evolution'. however healthy OWS may or may not be for society right now, in my experience people of whatever ideological stripe prefer moving from one status quo to another incrementally more favorable yet largely indistinguishable status quo, rather than any major societal upheaval. I'm willing to bet the desire for 'anarchy' would last just long enough for people to miss their wifi and monday night football. human nature supersedes party lines and bumper stickers, and people tend not to enjoy 'change' once it moves past the point of lip service to actually affecting them as individuals in ways they didn't anticipate.


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 Originally Posted By: Captain Sammitch
"crops". ;\)

just jackin with ya d00d. honestly, though, I think you're being a little too optimistic about 'social evolution'.


I absolutely am. I believe society is at its last straw, and this is probably one of the final attempts to salvage any truth from the increasingly obsolete phrase "home of the free".

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however healthy OWS may or may not be for society right now, in my experience people of whatever ideological stripe prefer moving from one status quo to another incrementally more favorable yet largely indistinguishable status quo, rather than any major societal upheaval.


Agreed. That's how Western civilization has evolved. Can't say I like it, though.

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I'm willing to bet the desire for 'anarchy' would last just long enough for people to miss their wifi and monday night football.


Possibly. For some, certainly. But, I won't wash the entire Movement in a single swath of judgement if some aren't in it for the right reasons. But, you might be surprised.

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human nature supersedes party lines and bumper stickers, and people tend not to enjoy 'change' once it moves past the point of lip service to actually affecting them as individuals in ways they didn't anticipate.


Again agreed. I am of the mind that you cannot make an omelet, etc. Society will have to bear the pain of change on both sides. If possible.

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 Originally Posted By: Prometheus
Anyone who is opposed to The Occupy Movement will use whatever means necessary to try and smear or destroy it. It's okay, though. Let them create as many fantasy "sins" as they can muster for it. Let them rail on and on about "Evil Liberals". It's all they got faced with the truth that they are backing the wrong side. Let them fall with the rest of the sheep. Doesn't matter. Like Gandhi said: First they ignore you, then they mock you, then they fight you, then you win.


The hippie pollyannas are always quoting Gandhi.

But if Gandhi wasn't up against a British Empire with Judao-Christian democratic principles and conscience, that had brought these principles of freedom to India in the first place --that India might never have had on their own-- then the ideas that created Gandhi might never have formed.

And if Gandhi had rallied protest for his freedom against Lenin or Stalin or Hitler or Saddam Hussein or Mubarek or Ahmadinijad, he and every last one of his followers would be slaughtered and forgotten unmourned in mass graves.
I'd add that William Ayers --one of the organizers for the protests you love-- said in his Weathermen days (to an undercover FBI agent) that they would create a new socialist utopia, and put any dissenters in concentration "re-education" camps. And that any who couldn't be re-educated would be "liquidated".
And by liquidated, I mean killed.
So the socialists you adore, who are the brethren of Obama and Van Jones, are those who would gladly slaughter any who disagree with them.

Liberals talk about freedom of speech. But they only mean their freedom of speech. And everyone else is an evil hater that needs to be silenced, by slander, harassment, intimidation, or when the socialist whim strikes, genocide.
Be careful what revolution you wish for, Pro. Our oh-so-evil capitalist system isn't killing anyone.

But the kind of authoritarian socialist wet dream you wish for consistently does.




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 Originally Posted By: Pat Buchanan, Death of the West, pp 80-81

Among the new weapons of cultural conflict, the Frankfurt School [an academic center of Marxist writings and teachings, saved from the Nazis, and showed their gratitude by trying to destroy the U.S.] developed was Critical Theory. The name sounds benign enough, but it stands for a practice that is anything but benign.
One student of Critical Theory defined it as the "essentially destructive criticism of all the main elements of Western culture, including Christianity, capitalism, authority, the family, patriarchy, heirarchy, morality, tradition, sexual restraint, loyalty, patriotism, nationalism, heredity, ethnocentrism, convention and conservatism."

Using Critical Theory, for example, the cultural Marxist repeats and repeats the charge that the West is guilty of genocidal crimes against every civilization and culture it has encountered. Under Critical Theory, one repeats and repeats that Western societies are history's greatest repositories of racism, sexism, nativism, xenophobia, homophobia, antisemitism, fascism and nazism.
Under Critical Theory, the crimes of the West flow from the character of the West, are shaped by Christianity.

One model example is "attack politics", where surrogates and spin-doctors never defend their own candidate, but attack and attack the opposition.
Another example of Critical Theory is the relentless assault on [Pope] Pius XII as complicit in the Holocaust, no matter the volumes of evidence that show the accusation to be a lie.

Critical Theory eventually induces "cultural pessimism", a sense of alienation, of hopelessness, of despair. Where, even though prosperous and free, a people comes to see its society and country as oppressive, evil, unworthy of their loyalty and love. The new Marxists considered cultural pessimism a necessary precondition of cultural change.

Under the impact of Critical Theory, many of the sixties generation, the most priveleged in history, convinced themselves they were living in an intolerable hell.



It's the William Ayerses of that 60's hippie generation who cut their hair and put on ties, and became college professors, journalists, union leaders, hollywood writers, and activist leaders of groups like ACORN and SEIU, who are whipping up the astro-turf for this OWS revolution.

But know the thing by its fruit.

And its fruit is chaos.


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Anyone who is opposed to The Occupy Movement will use whatever means necessary to try and smear or destroy it. It's okay, though. Let them create as many fantasy "sins" as they can muster for it. Let them rail on and on about "Evil Liberals". It's all they got faced with the truth that they are backing the wrong side. Let them fall with the rest of the sheep. Doesn't matter. Like Gandhi said: First they ignore you, then they mock you, then they fight you, then you win.


Gandhi was a Liberal Marxist! Conservatives and Republicans are good! Liberals and Democrats are evil! Soros, Ayers, Pelosi, O'Reilly, and Pat Buchanan!

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 Originally Posted By: Prometheus
The more the Corporate Media and Shills fight against this Movement, the more I know that it's the absolute best thing to do for American society. Time to shake off the ignorant corrupt dinosaurs and allow actual freedom to reign. Time to stop letting corporate interests control policy and minds.


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Liberal Sorospiracy!


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Anyone who is opposed to The Occupy Movement will use whatever means necessary to try and smear or destroy it. It's okay, though. Let them create as many fantasy "sins" as they can muster for it. Let them rail on and on about "Evil Liberals". It's all they got faced with the truth that they are backing the wrong side. Let them fall with the rest of the sheep. Doesn't matter. Like Gandhi said: First they ignore you, then they mock you, then they fight you, then you win.

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 Originally Posted By: Prometheus
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Anyone who is opposed to The Occupy Movement will use whatever means necessary to try and smear or destroy it. It's okay, though. Let them create as many fantasy "sins" as they can muster for it. Let them rail on and on about "Evil Liberals". It's all they got faced with the truth that they are backing the wrong side. Let them fall with the rest of the sheep. Doesn't matter. Like Gandhi said: First they ignore you, then they mock you, then they fight you, then you win.


Gandhi was a Liberal Marxist! Conservatives and Republicans are good! Liberals and Democrats are evil! Soros, Ayers, Pelosi, O'Reilly, and Pat Buchanan!


As usual, your only possible response is to slanderously put words and ideas in my mouth that I never said.

Gandhi was a product of Western ideas of democracy (rooted in the Judao-Christian concept of God-given individual rights and self-government).

When India had absorbed these Western concepts well enough, they rose up and demanded freedom and democracy.


And it was only against a Western government that a peaceful movement for independence could have worked. Any non-western government would have slaughtered Gandhi and every one of his followers. North Korea, China, Iran, and any government in the muslim world prove this point.


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 Originally Posted By: Prometheus
The more the Corporate Media and Shills fight against this Movement, the more I know that it's the absolute best thing to do for American society. Time to shake off the ignorant corrupt dinosaurs and allow actual freedom to reign. Time to stop letting corporate interests control policy and minds.

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How's the protest going? I'm just curious. It seems like the movement has been derailed. They're now fighting against the police and civilians who feel that they're being inconvenienced by the rallies. Meanwhile, life goes on as usual for the CEOs, the executives, and the big businesses that the protests originally targeted.

I would really like a link to an article or news report that shows at least someone from the 1% actually felt the protests.

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 Originally Posted By: Son of Mxy
How's the protest going? I'm just curious. It seems like the movement has been derailed. They're now fighting against the police and civilians who feel that they're being inconvenienced by the rallies. Meanwhile, life goes on as usual for the CEOs, the executives, and the big businesses that the protests originally targeted.

I would really like a link to an article or news report that shows at least someone from the 1% actually felt the protests.


At best, they sat on a balcony and toasted a glass of champaigne to the rabble below.

Bank of America had just added a $5 monthly fee to their debit cards, and the Occupy Wall Street proponents like to take credit for their dropping that unpopular fee a few days ago. But in reality, that was a reflection of hundreds of thousands of account-holders taking their business elsewhere and the bad publicity of their own customers, not people in the streets outside.

Beyond that, the uncivility and violence of the protests has totally eclipsed the message, and opinion polls in the U.S. have dipped to the point that more condemn the protests now than support them (see the O'Reilly clips I youtubed above, as well as the Schoehn poll).
Not to mention the unfocused Rorschach-test-like ambiguity of the "meaning" of the protests being subjective to many groups involved, that has also diminished the cause (whatever that all-encompassing cause is).


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Anyone who is opposed to The Occupy Movement will use whatever means necessary to try and smear or destroy it. It's okay, though. Let them create as many fantasy "sins" as they can muster for it. Let them rail on and on about "Evil Liberals". It's all they got faced with the truth that they are backing the wrong side. Let them fall with the rest of the sheep. Doesn't matter. Like Gandhi said: First they ignore you, then they mock you, then they fight you, then you win.


Gandhi was a Liberal Marxist! Conservatives and Republicans are good! Liberals and Democrats are evil! Soros, Ayers, Pelosi, O'Reilly, and Pat Buchanan!


As usual, your only possible response is to slanderously put words and ideas in my mouth that I never said.

Gandhi was a product of Western ideas of democracy (rooted in the Judao-Christian concept of God-given individual rights and self-government).

When India had absorbed these Western concepts well enough, they rose up and demanded freedom and democracy.


And it was only against a Western government that a peaceful movement for independence could have worked. Any non-western government would have slaughtered Gandhi and every one of his followers. North Korea, China, Iran, and any government in the muslim world prove this point.


But totalitarian socialism, may it be of the Chinese or North Korean varieties, originate from very Western ideas by Hegel, Marx and Engels (and Lenin and Stalin, if you count Russians and Georgians as Westerners).

President and Generalissimo Chiang Kai-shek and "his" Kuomintang/Chinese Nationalist Party supported Indian independence. It was not until Chairman Mao took control over mainland China border disputes started between China and India. (The totalitarian Soviet Union then supported the democratic republic India against China, while the atheist Red China supported the Muslim nation of Pakistan against mostly Hindu India. The enemy of my enemy and all that funk.)


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 Originally Posted By: Son of Mxy
How's the protest going? I'm just curious. It seems like the movement has been derailed. They're now fighting against the police and civilians who feel that they're being inconvenienced by the rallies. Meanwhile, life goes on as usual for the CEOs, the executives, and the big businesses that the protests originally targeted.

I would really like a link to an article or news report that shows at least someone from the 1% actually felt the protests.


The so called 1% will never care what the violent raping hippies do. Now that its getting cold the numbers are dying down. They will all be back to whatever they weren't doing before shoving the elderly down stairs and starting fires.


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 Originally Posted By: Son of Mxy
How's the protest going? I'm just curious. It seems like the movement has been derailed. They're now fighting against the police and civilians who feel that they're being inconvenienced by the rallies. Meanwhile, life goes on as usual for the CEOs, the executives, and the big businesses that the protests originally targeted.

I would really like a link to an article or news report that shows at least someone from the 1% actually felt the protests.


You're pretty much right. All the poll numbers now show that most Americans are turning against the protestors as all they've accomplished it to clog city streets. If the protestors really wanted to force change in this country, they would have all been back home yesterday to vote in their local elections. But, I'm sure they'll all claim some victory years from now when something one day happens to force change just like the hippies did for ending Vietnam when it was really the 'square' older middle class who decided not to support the war after the Tet Offensive.


whomod said: I generally don't like it when people decide to play by the rules against people who don't play by the rules.
It tends to put you immediately at a disadvantage and IMO is a sign of true weakness.
This is true both in politics and on the internet."

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 Originally Posted By: Wonder Boy
Bank of America had just added a $5 monthly fee to their debit cards, and the Occupy Wall Street proponents like to take credit for their dropping that unpopular fee a few days ago. But in reality, that was a reflection of hundreds of thousands of account-holders taking their business elsewhere and the bad publicity of their own customers, not people in the streets outside.


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But, I'm sure they'll all claim some victory years from now when something one day happens to force change just like the hippies did for ending Vietnam when it was really the 'square' older middle class who decided not to support the war after the Tet Offensive.


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"They're...uh...violent! No? They're...uh...criminals! Wait, war vets?? Oh, uh....it's all a Liberal Conspiracy! ....the Founder of the Tea Party and a lot of its own movement supports Occupy? Uhhhh.....hold on, let me throw a tear gas canister at a wounded war vet......now, let's see. OH! Got it! Child-Rape! That's it! Oh. Wait. That's all smoke and mirrors? Oh...shit...how.....okay! Okay! It's totally losing momentum and they've had NO effect on anything and all the actual effect you see is something our Corporate Saints are doing for us and Occupy is nothing but Soros-created terrorists forming an illegal immigrant child-raping drug ring of Marxist Satanism! TOTALLY! O'Reilley Said It = It Is Law = It Is The Word of God!"


\:lol\: \:lol\: \:lol\: Sounds like The Right's taking a beating by The Movement's progress. But, I'm sure you're both objectively and unbiasedly correct... \:lol\:

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Laugh all you want to because you know what I've said is true. The Democrats laughed at the Tea Party until they realized that the movement was full of people who went out and actually voted. If the OWS movement would do the same, then they can't be ignored. Until they actually do that, though, they're just people complaining and taking up space in parks and public streets. The hippies didn't end the Vietnam war with Woodstock and such. It was the voting, middle class workers who changed Washington's minds. Until the movement actually affect the politicians directly, nothing will change.


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It tends to put you immediately at a disadvantage and IMO is a sign of true weakness.
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Thank you. \:\)

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Pro will also courageously defend the child rapists from the safety of his computer.


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I would also like you to list the movement's 'progress'.


whomod said: I generally don't like it when people decide to play by the rules against people who don't play by the rules.
It tends to put you immediately at a disadvantage and IMO is a sign of true weakness.
This is true both in politics and on the internet."

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 Originally Posted By: thedoctor
I would also like you to list the movement's 'progress'.


You've already seen the progress. The conversation is being had all over the world. Hundreds of thousands of people. Hundreds of cities across the globe. Millions of people talking about it. Discussing it. Debating it. Understanding the truth behind corporate deception and greed. Behind fraudulent governments. BoA dropping their fees is just the beginning (hopefully). Assuming the Corporate Government doesn't unleash their Police Force to continue their attacks on unarmed American citizens, and just kill them all, you will still see more change to come.

Utopia will never be had right now. And like Phil brought up, sudden change for either side would have to be drastic to matter. Either way, it will upset the status quo. And that's worth all the bitching from the knuckle-draggers towing party lines...

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hey, I thought you said cracked wasn't a credible source!


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conversation is putting it awfully generously, pro. let's be honest about that at least. this whole thing was never anything nicer than obnoxiously adversarial in nature, and you can't honestly think people have 'seen the light' as a result of it. one of the fantastic things about this nation is that you can always make yourself heard (so long as you aren't breaking any non-speech-related laws in the process), and anyone who doesn't agree can always disagree openly or just ignore you.


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 Originally Posted By: Prometheus
 Originally Posted By: thedoctor
I would also like you to list the movement's 'progress'.


You've already seen the progress. The conversation is being had all over the world. Hundreds of thousands of people. Hundreds of cities across the globe. Millions of people talking about it. Discussing it. Debating it. Understanding the truth behind corporate deception and greed. Behind fraudulent governments. BoA dropping their fees is just the beginning (hopefully). Assuming the Corporate Government doesn't unleash their Police Force to continue their attacks on unarmed American citizens, and just kill them all, you will still see more change to come.

Utopia will never be had right now. And like Phil brought up, sudden change for either side would have to be drastic to matter. Either way, it will upset the status quo. And that's worth all the bitching from the knuckle-draggers towing party lines...


BoA dropping their new fees might have more to do with the fact that credit unions are sniping their customers with no fees. Again, affect the companies directly to make them change.


whomod said: I generally don't like it when people decide to play by the rules against people who don't play by the rules.
It tends to put you immediately at a disadvantage and IMO is a sign of true weakness.
This is true both in politics and on the internet."

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Associated Press: Deaths at Occupy camps bring pressure for shutdowns

Three deaths reported here, two by gunfire. The Wall Street Journal, meanwhile, puts the "Occupy" death toll at four.

I can't think of a single death at a tea party rally, let alone a murder. The closest thing would be when the conspiracy freaks tried to falsely blame the Giffords shooting on the Tea Party.

And, that doesn't even touch on the other crimes being committed by the "peaceful protesters."

Rapists, child abusers and murderers: the new 99%.

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 Originally Posted By: the G-Shill
Rapists, child abusers and murderers: the new 99%.


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 Originally Posted By: Prometheus
Anyone who is opposed to The Occupy Movement will use whatever means necessary to try and smear or destroy it. It's okay, though. Let them create as many fantasy "sins" as they can muster for it. Let them rail on and on about "Evil Liberals". It's all they got faced with the truth that they are backing the wrong side. Let them fall with the rest of the sheep. Doesn't matter. Like Gandhi said: First they ignore you, then they mock you, then they fight you, then you win.

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