RKMBs Forums .::Important::. Politics and Current Events 17 year old Trayvon Martin shot by Neighborhood watch guy Zimmerman

M E M, how could you possibly have missed the clips and articles I've posted that give both sides?
As I said in my post yesterday with the 2 CNN articles, they give emphasis to the witnesses that paint Trayvon as the victim, but I posted them anyway.

The fact that the (liberal) media gives emphasis to the witnesses that portray Trayvon as the victim, and for the most part selectively omits coverage of facts supportive of Zimmerman's account, makes me lean at this point toward believing Zimmerman's version.
At this point, they're still posting photos of Trayvon as a 12 year old, and selectively omitting photos of how Trayvon himself presented his image on Facebook and elsewhere. The media also have largely buried the facts about Trayvon's suspensions for various thug activities.
I don't even think the media has made clear that Trayvon actually lived and went to school in Miami, and that during his 10-day suspension, he was punished by having to stay in Sanford (Orlando area, 4 hours away) during his suspension, to separate him from his friends and other pleasures at home.

I've been pretty clear. I posted an extensive profile of George Zimmerman in my first few posts, that showed pretty much every last detail of Zimmerman's legal, marital, and even financial troubles.
The media profile of Trayvon Martin in my next post right after was glowingly positive and didn't reveal anything about his current appearance on Facebook, or his 3 recent school suspensions. Interesting contrast, how the media trashed Zimmerman's character, and sugarcoated Martin's character.
To date, the news media has yet to do ONE similar investigative profile of Trayvon Martin. And oddly, have laid out every last detail of Zimmerman's personal problems.

The truth is, neither of these guys were total boy scouts. Zimmerman seems to have had a difficult time 7 years ago, but was staightening out. He was training to be a police officer, so apparently he wasn't as criminal as some would like to portray him, or he would not qualify.

I've laid out both sides, warts and all, and initially favored Martin's side. Evidence could still prove Zimmerman the one at fault, but I lean toward his side, based on the one-sidedness of coverage, and the eagerness of the partisan media to character-assassinate Zimmerman as a racist, essentially convicting him without a trial, to taint the facts before they are fully revealed.



As I said earlier, this was a random absurdity, that is being supercharged unnecessarily by the media and black politicians and race-baiters to be more about race than it truly is.



Zimmerman's initial 911 call was reporting suspicious activity.
Asked by the 911 dispatch, is the suspect black, Zimmerman said: I don't know.
Following from a distance, Zimmerman later answered as asked: Yes, he's black.
So he wasn't even targeting Martin for being black, but just because he was in a hoodie and behaving (his perception) suspiciously, because there had been robberies in the neighborhood.

You, on the other hand, seem partisan toward Trayvon Martin, and immune to any facts that support Zimmerman.

I can see it as a situation where both guys are partly at fault. Two guys with attitude about the situation, neither one backing down.
I had a similar run-in years ago where I was in Trayvon Martin's situation and an overzealous neighborhood watch guy was following me for several blocks less than a mile from my home, and it was really starting to piss me off, and I finally turned around and started walking toward him to intimidate him. Fortunately in my situation, the police arrived before anything happened between us.

This appeared on Michelle Malkin's site...


So eager to present a certain picture of Martin they posted somebody elses.

One picture in error, MEM.

One.


The others presented are the real Trayvon Martin, and not another guy on Facebook with the same name. The one mistaken photo --quickly corrected-- does not erase all the others that have been posted accurately from the real Trayvon's facebook page.


Here is another photo in virtually the identical pose that is the real Trayvon Martin:



But again, the question is not whether Martin was a thug, but whether he attacked Zimmerman and caused Zimmerman to shoot him in self defense.

And again: the liberal media didn't even report that Trayvon Martin was in Sanford, FL because he was on a 10-day suspension for marijuana possession, or that he had been suspended twice prior in less than a year for spraying graffitti on a locker, and for skipping school, or had assaulted someone as well.

A kid can only be so innocent and well behaved with a user-name like "NO_LIMIT_NIGGA"

or sending tweet messages like this:



Call me strange, but that at least begins to make me think innocent little Trayvon Martin just might be capable of going all-out ghetto gangster and jumping on Zimmerman's face.

But I'll settle for whatever the Florida Justice Department's independent investigation reveals, and not jump to any conclusions on the limited facts and speculation currently released.

So much hate. So pathetic.

You're wasting your time trying to talk to Klan-Dave. Facts are irrelevant when all you can do is hate people different from you. Can't you tell from the time and passion he's put into trying to "prove you wrong" and trying to "prove" that little kid that was murdered by the wife-beater was "black" and therefor "guilty"? He's already determined to defend the white guy for no other reason than he's white. No more, no less. You don't see him running to defend non-whites suspected of criminal intent. Nope. Just Whitey, cause that's all he cares about. Fact.

Your post is obsolete, Repostmetheus. I haven't had you on ignore for about a month now.



But you're still a petty vindictive schmuck hiding behind a wall of personal slander.

And a coward.

So, you're saying that YOU are G-Man?



Back at you, racist scum. Burn in hell with all the rest of your murdering Nazi brethren. But, until you do, I'll continue to laugh at your simple ignorance, old man.



Sure thing you pussy.

Your re-posting the same lies and personal slander makes them no more true, Pro. You just continue to fling you poo across every forum, and bring down the quality of every conversation.

It still surprises me that WB and others are still trying to essential hold court on the dead kid. He wasn't the one who stalked somebody with a gun. It was Zimmerman who did that and really should have been charged with at least manslaughter a long time ago. Instead it's very likely he's not going to be charged at all.

Pretty much. As I said with clarity:

Nothing even slightly resembling a sincere and honest comment to respond to.

Just more flinging of cake-like poo.

As you well know, there is a presumption of innocence in our jurisprudence. Courts require evidence. Police are supposed to have probable cause to charge someone.

Furthermore, under any self defense case, "stand your ground" or not, one of the questions is whether the shooter had a reasonable fear of serious physical injury. One of the questions surrounding whether Zimmerman's actions, therefore, would be what-if anything-about Martin placed Zimmerman in 'reasonable fear.' Therefore, Martin's size, clothing and actions would all be factors to be examined.

Therefore, under the law, every self defense case "holds court" on the deceased.

Finally, neither you nor WB were there, neither of you are police officers and neither of you are sitting on a jury hearing admissible evidence. Therefore, both of you are simply engaged in speculation.

There's nothing wrong with that, as long as your not part of the court case. However, it does mean that you're just as guilty as anyone of prejudging the case. But you're doing so to convict Zimmerman without benefit of a trial.

Worse, you seem to think that a person should be charged--and subject to potential loss of life, liberty and property--even if there isn't adequate evidence to do so.



What happened to "it is better one hundred guilty persons should escape than that one innocent person should suffer"?

Yes.

beyond that, I've certainly been weighing both sides of the argument. When I began this topic, I was clearly sympathetic to Trayvon Martin's side of the debate. But have since been swayed toward leaning in the other direction. Or even that there's a shared portioned blame for both Martin and Zimmerman, that each are mutually or partially responsible for the escalation that led to the shooting.

And even though I lean toward Trayvon Martin partly bringing this on himself by physically assaulting Zimmerman who had previously only watched him from a distance according to at least 2 witnesses and physical evidence, I've also posted several articles that show witnesses and arguments against Zimmerman's version.

So all the "WB: racist, racist, klansman, bigot" shit rings pretty hollow.


Whereas I think M E M has been uncritically entrenched toward the Trayvon Martin side.

In MEM's defense I think there is a tendency in a lot of us to see a dead kid and immediately want to blame someone. When a child or teenager dies, we all want to make sense of it. And sometimes the easiest way to do that is assign criminal blame. There is comfort is being able to tell ourselves that it wasnt just a horrible act of random chance, that a "bad guy" caused it and, once we "get" the bad guy things will be better.

But the legal system can't work that way. We need to have checks and balances and we need to remember that not every tragedy is a crime. Otherwise, we risk codemnng the innocent on emotion instead of evidence.

There's more to it than what you say G-man. Zimmerman at the very least created the situation that ended up with him shooting Martin. Because he had the gun, that should have come with extra responsibility. He killed somebody wrongly. I'm not crying for Zimmerman's blood but having the law do nothing isn't justice either.

Again, you don't know that. Zimmerman says he was attacked, and there are eyewitnesses that back up his claim. Maybe you should actually wait for the police to finish their investigation before throwing around guilty verdicts.

However it played out Zimmerman still started it by following a kid around with a gun.

What if Zimmerman didn't have a gun and Martin wound up beating him to death? Would you still be blaming Zimmerman for following Martin around?