Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
You're just making excuses for something republicans would never allow if this were a democrat president. The House does have a right to see those documents and get that testimony. Trump chose to not cooperate at all. He wouldn't have done that if that evidence would have helped him. And now with a senate controlled by republicans it still looks he still isn't going to produce any of it. Instead your party is coordinating with him to actually do a sham trial with no witnesses and zero impartial judgement. Given that he held foreign aid for political favors I genuinely thought republicans in office would be better.


Those are lying Democrat talking points, not a logical argument. It was up to Democrats to establish a mutually trustworthy and bipartisan standard for House impeachment hearings. They had the standard set by both the Richard Nixon impeachment in 1974, and the Bill Clinton impeachment in 1998. Under both those impeachments, with presidents of both parties there was a universally recognized standard of unquestionable fairness to both parties, where both sides had equal ability to subpoena, call witnesses and cross examine witnesses, and plenty of mutual advance warning for any witnesses or documents presented for a unquestionably equally fair prosecution and defense.
That is not, ABSOLUTELY NOT the case of Democrat House impeachment of Trump, where Democrats completely stacked the rules in favor of themselves and denied Trump, his attorneys, House Republicans, and others in his administration that same ability to defend themselves.

Based on that, Democrats have absolutely no moral high ground to piss and moan about how the Republican majority conducts its Senate trial. Based on the complete lack of evidence, it should simply be dismissed in the Senate for lack of evidence, as a similar case would be in any lower court.

And now on top of everything, where the Democrats had no credibility to begin with, now House speaker Nancy Pelosi is refusing to pass over documents to the Senate to begin a trial, which just further demonstrates this entire fraudulent case for impeachment is just a partisan show. And Democrats will continue to decline in the polls on this issue, because it is so painfully obvious to everyone. Even Democrats know this, but cling to any devious attempt to remove or politically damage Trump.
The Democrat case is a vicious lie.
It has always been a lie, through four previous federal investigations, ending with the Mueller Report around April of this year. Then kept alive past its death in disastrously absurd hearings with Mueller, Lewandowski and others, that all backfired aabsurdly on the Democrats, and only further hurt the credibility of the Mueller investigation, and proved even more Demcorat-partisan than was initially known, that Mueller was incompetent and partisan, and that it was partisan Andrew Weissmann who was the true architect of the Mueller investigation, with Mueller as the clueless inept figurehead, who oversaw laughable one-sided Democrat-partisan selective omissions in their investigation, and didn't even know what was in the report that he allegedly wrote!

Then this July 25th phone call hit job that was unleashed in September, just the lastest attempted contrivance to illegitimately remove Donald Trump as president.

And at every stage since then, Democrats have bent the rules and scorned the rule of law to manufacture a false narrative for impeachment. I'll say this, the Democrats are skilled liars and completely lacking in ethics, and that has allowed them to keep this false narrative alive until now. And as long as they could manipluate the rules and keep the true facts in the shadows, Democrats could keep that false narrative alive.
But Democrats know, once their false impeachment narrative left the Demcorat-controlled House, and entered an actual proceeding in the Senate, the true facts will be exposed. That their smoke-and-mirrors narrative for impeachment will be revealed as having no supporting facts, and it will be over.

And it is.

Pelosi is just trying to preserve the last dying fumes of that lying narrative from being completely exposed. She can delay it a few days or weeks, but it's over. Your party's deception and lies are fully exposed, and there's no stopping it.



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