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I'd like to see Mrs. Kirk and Trump call for supporters to be better than the cancel culture mob, but I do not think that's going to happen.

I don't, however, have sympathy for the clowns currently getting canceled after they gleefully canceled others for their positions on BLM, LBGTQ... primarily T in all honesty, and other progressive causes célebres.

But, Id remind the current crowd that the other guys may well be in power again soon and then the tables will be turned yet again.

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I don't think Charlie Kirk or Donald Trump supporters are calling for taking out another "eye" (or killing Democrats in retaliation).

Are we angry? Hell yes, we've endured Democrat violence and killings for 9 years, and a large percentage (by polls, about 55%) of Democrats clearly are gleeful about each of these deaths and violent incidents, and they are NOT going to stop.

The retaliation conservatives are calling for is simply to NOT be silenced, and to exert a thousandfold the free speech that the Democrat/Left have tried to intimidate into silence.
As I said before, the new surviving leader of Turning Points said the organization had about 1,000 branch chapters nationwide before Kirk was shot.
Now just 7 days after Kirk's death, he said they have received requests to open an incredible 37,000 new chapters.

I haven't heard of ANY retaliatory violent incidents to Kirk's death, or even any serious desire to do so.

Conservatives are angry, but they are not acting violently on that anger. And that has been true of conservatives since 2016. If violent retribution were going to be done by the Right, it would have happened 9 or 10 years ago. I'm frankly proud of the fact that, out of 74 million cheated Trump voters in 2020, and 77 million who decisively re-elected and vindicated Trump and THEMSELVES in 2024, and with violent attacks on Trump supporters by the Left pretty much every day over that entire decade, "Trumpamania" has won over and over by NOT violently lashing back, angry as they have rightly been. And that not even a single person or tiny fringe has acted violently out of that 77 million, in all that time.

I think that's the most impressive peaceful protest victory since Gandhi won India's independence from the British Empire.

As Democrat media pundits are being fired, and 2 Democrat late night hosts have been fired by their own left-leaning networks, because of how beyond-the-pale disgusting their rhetoric has been, so much that even their own liberal network leadership have cut them loose.
Likewise millions of Democrat voters are walking away from their hate and violence-prone Democrat-Bolshevik party. Even THEY are walking away and rejoining the human race. Which is truly inspiring, all this, with not even a need at this point for a conservative backlash.

I just look at the disparity between the MN assignations and Kirk’s and feel glad Kirk’s kids at least have one parent left.

Anyone shocked that Trump is going after free speech?

And WB I feel that way even after watching a clip of Charlie saying Biden should be executed.

I wasn't being literal. I was talking about all the people getting canceled for their comments seeming like Republicans having their payback for the late 10s and early 20s.

I don't even understand what "MN assignations" means. ......Assassinations?

Is that a referaence to the Minnesoaa state senator and her husband who were shot by a masked killer? Because as I clearly cited, sourced and linked, by all appearances i was a DEMOCRAT who shot them, not a Republican.

https://www.rkmbs.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1240750#Post1240750

The shooter when captured and questioned by police, alleges it was Minnesota governor Tim Walz himself who directed him to do the shootings.

I'd love to see the video of Charlie Kirk saying Biden should be executed.
Because I question if that is real, or just another slanderous Democrat false narrative.


Like when Donald Trump joked at a rally about Russia having access to Hillary Clinton's e-mails every day for four years when she was secretary of state, and Trump joked at a rally that since Hillary Clinton deleted and bleach-bited roughly 33,000 e-mails, that hey, we should just ask Russia to send us copies of those e-mails (because obviously, they hacked and saved every communication she had online for 4 years on her illegal unsecured server. Which by the way, he 97% Democrat FBI scuttled the case for, so she was never prosecuted, despite her being guilty as hell.)
But the way Democrats and the liberal media (same thing) portrayed it, they said : Trump asked Russia to give him all of Hillary Clinton's e-mails. TRAITOR !! PUTIN PUPPET!!
No, not even close, that's such and obvious misrepresentation of a clear joke by Trump, that Democrats portray as if i was a serious literal request.


Or the allegation that Trump praised neo-Nazis in Charlottesville, VA, when he said "There are good people on both sides."
No, absolutely false. Trump said the Neo-Nazis are disgusting and there is no redeeming aspect to them, and he flat-out condemned them. But the core issue in Chalottesville was whether to take down a statue of Robert E. Lee on a horse in front of the city hall there.
The "two sides" that Trump was CLEARLY referring to were 1) the ones who wanted to keep the Robert E. Lee statue, preserving history and not erasing it, and 2) the Democra/Left side who wanted to remove the statue. The liberal Trump-hating media deliberately misrepresented that, falsely allefing Trump praised the white supremacists that he CLEARLY condemned. There were 2,000-3,000 there to protest in favor of keeping the statue, making he "heritage" argument (most of them former military or retired police).
And about 12,000-15,000 Democrat/Left and Antifa.
And separate from both those groups, about 200-300 "Alt-Right" showed up, publicizing a white supremacist agenda that NO ONE else wanted aired in the protests that day, and was a distraction from the actual Robert E. Lee statue debate. The pro-statue people did NOT want the Al-Right guys to even march alongside them.

But all his was erased by George Orwell's dishonest liberal media.

I could give many other examples of Democrat lies and slanders, but those are two.

Okay, one more. The allegation that Trump called veterans at Normandy "suckers and losers". Which still enrages me. Several dozen people there a Normandy that tday said this vicoius and incendiary allegation was absolutely false. I think he only one trying to allege i was true is General Mark Millie, a clear enemy of Trump, who spent years sabotaging him from within Trump's own administration, unil he was removed for obvious reasons.



So unless you can produce the video of Charlie Kirk calling for Biden's executtion, and the clear context, I don't believe you.

I'm all for the firings. What these people said and did, dancing and gloating in posts and videos that Charlie Kirk, or anyone, was shot in the Carotid artery and bled out in a minute, enjoyed it, cheered it on, is beyond disgusting.
I've watched 20 yearss of Democrats gloating about the deaths of Ronald Reagan, Margaret Thatcher, Tony Snow, William Renquist, Rush Limbaugh, on and on for 20 years. I have NEVER seen Republicans similarly gloat and cheer and pile on the hate for a Democrat who has died. And in many cases, I think Democrats feel glee at deeply hurting the wives and surviving families of those whose deaths they gloat about, and say stuff like "I hope he's burning in hell right now..."

And all Republicans did regarding the posts about Charlie Kirk's death was inform employers what these people said and posted online. it was completely the decision of employers to fire them, or to suspend them, or to ignore the incidents. These employers fired them because of how horrible these posts and videos are. And even if these companies had no conscience about an employee saying these things, they could have just fired them for the pragmatic reason that these posts were SO disgusting to half their business client base, and NOT firing them would be an outrage that would lose each of these businesses half their clientele.

And it's not like these people just said Well, I'm on the other side and I wasn't a fan of Charlie Kirk.
That would have been okay.
But instead they gleefully celebrated that he was killed, and even cheered on the graphic way he was ripped open and bled out. Another aspect I saw discussed by a prosecutor is that the tranny shooter fired on Charlie Kirk in the middle of a dense crowd of 3,000 students where he almost shot others next to Kirk, or shrapnel could have hit others after the bullet went through Kirk. And a prosecutor discussed possibly adding a charge for that endangerment.

I think a terrorism charge is also appropriate, the shooting was clearly intended to intimidate and silence Charlie Kirk and Trump supporters. And that is the very definition of terrorism.

Melissa Hortman’s assassin is an evangelical Trump supporter that had a hit list that had all democrats on it.
What we know about the MN shooting suspect

Those are facts WB that you ignore because it doesn’t fit your desired narrative.

Btw I agree with it being wrong to celebrate his death but innocent people have already been swept up in the doxing campaign. It’s pretty easy to frame someone. And trying to destroy someone’s life is hardly Christ like or being good yourself.

And this is also different with an administration that is really pushing for more hate and division. They’re using the FCC to cancel free speech.

I understand people's frustrations about the MN assassinations, but I also get Kirk's assassination happened live and on video so it reverberated much more.

Although he says he's fine with being hypocritical, I'll credit Enrique Tarrio fir admitting it is such

And, of course, bringing the FCC in is a big step too far and I need supporters of this move to keep the same energy when it is used against them when the other team is in power, if it stands. Ted Cruz even pointed out the dangerous precedent of this move.

Live it up, Wondy, but one day there will be blowback.

Cruz has no spine so I’m just guessing he sees which way the wind is blowing.

I already linked he previous opic and links in my aabove post. Bu since it didn' seem to sink through he wood.yet...



Minnesota lawmaker and husband assassinated topic
https://www.rkmbs.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1240705




The Minnesota State Senator shooter was appointed by Tim Walz, and had hundreds of fliers in his car for a Democrat/Left event, and even alleges ha Walz asked him to do he killings, of these wo and several ohers who were obstructionss o Walz's poliical agenda.

Please demonstrate to me tha an appointee of Democrat Tim Walz, the Leftest of the Left, is actually a Republican operative and assassin, somehow motivaed by right wing ideology ?!?

Swing and miss, M E M. Cited, sourced and linked to be proven otherwise.

Tim Waltz was also on the assassin’s list. You’re picking out a couple of things to create a false narrative WB like you always do. Vance had a history of being a prolife evangelical and was a Trump supporter. And his hit list besides Waltz was all democrats. Vance used props and disguises in his attempts to kill democrats. Maybe the flyers were part of that? And Vance appointment was an unpaid nonpartisan appointment. Conservatives like yourself are being dishonest trying to make that sound like something more.

EXACTLY how is Trump "going after free speech"?


Did he have FBI spy on and do surveillance on the entire Associated Press?
Oh wait, NO, that was the Obama administration.

Or maybe it was when he had James Rosen and other reporters arrested for investigating the White House and using sources inside the White House, as reporters have done for a least 100 years?
No, wait, wrong again, that was once again the Obama administration. That even a 45 year White House reporter for the New York Times called the "most control freak" administration he had ever dealt with.

Then maybe it was when he declared Fox News "not a real news agency" and tried to ban them from White House press conferences?
No, wait, that was Barack Obama again,trying to ban Fox News.

Then it must have been when Trump tried to de-platform any broadcast news agency that gave him negative coverage?
No, waitt, wrong again, it was both the Obama and Biden administrations who attempted that with Fox News, One America News, and Newsmax, literally EVERY NEWS AGENCY on television that doesn't have a Democrat / left allegience and bias, tried to wipe out any dissenting non-Democrat thought from airing on television news.
Throughout THREE Democrat-Bolshevik administrations, under 8 years of Obama, hen 4 years under Joe Biden.
And many of the FCC officials appointed in both the Obama and Biden administrations openly stated for years prior to working in hose administtrations, their intent to "de-plaform" all conservative news networks, and said it for years when they previously wrote for Soros-funded groups, before they were appointed to FCC jobs precisely because of those writings, and specifically FOR actually doing it.



I haven't seen that Trump or his administration have actually banned anyone or will with FCC power, Trump has just tossed the idea out there as a possibility in a few off the cuff remarks, of "maybe we should" because of how the Democrat/Left has abused all the mainstream networks, for decades. Specifically CNN, MSNBC (renamed MSNOW, but still the same partisan garbage, not the slightest change toward objective journalism with the re-branding) and ABC, NBC, CBS, PBS.

And the latest deception by the liberal media, instead of reporting on the ramped-up hate for YEARS that led to shooing Charlie Kirk, and shooting Trump, TWICE, and Steve Scalise, and countless others.

Due to YEARS of the liberal media's nightly distorted hate about how Trump is Hitler and a fascist, false narratives that deliberately feul all these violent attacks on Republicans.
Rather than liberal media report on that and hold themselves and the Democrat party responsible.... they just each time re-direct and create ANOTHER false narrative :

1) the fake narraive that Charlie Kirk engaged for years in "hate speech" (FALSE, he engaged in debate, political dialogue and finding common ground through debate, persuading literally millions to his side, and to Trump's, and that's why the Left had to kill him. )

2) the narrative that Charlie Kirk "caused his own death" through "hate speech" (FALSE again, Charlie Kirk engaging in First Amendment free speech, only engaging in words, and seeking common ground through debate, does NOT rationalize violently murdering him. One of the purple-haired Twitter Nazis gloating about Kirk's death said "Live by the sword, die by the sword." But Kirk lived by the pen and free speech, and was killed by the sword, because the Left doesn't tolerate anyone living or having any power who disagrees with them.)

3) the infuriating fake narrative that Charlie Kirk's shooter was actually a conservative Trump supporter ( FALSE because this Tyler Robinson maniac was clearly hate-filled and ultra-Left, rabidly supported Biden and Antifa, had a transgender male lover, expressed his liberal politics to multiple family members, classmates and co-workers, talked about how deeply he hated Charlie Kirk, and discussed knowing Kirk was coming to town, and even scratched gay / trans /Antifa messages on the bullets in his rifle. )

And now we're up to liberal media selling Democrat false narrative NUMBER FOUR :

4) that Jimmy Kimmel was cancelled because Trump ordered him shut down or Trump's FCC wouldn't allow a merger the network wants ( which again is FALSE, it's only because of Kimmel being a partisan jerk and lying to millions of people on the air, infuriatingly fronting the proven false narrative that Charlie Kirk's shooter is a Trump supporter . For Jimmy Kimmel's network, who had endured many controversies by Kimmel on air, and Kimmel's consistently low ratings because he has permanently alienated half his potential audience, that was a final straw for even a LIBERAL network, who were losing tens of millions by airing Kimmel's show every year, with a consistently shrinking audience.
PRECISELY FOR THOSE REASONS WAS KIMMEL FIRED.

And this false narrative alleging Trump leveraged the network using the FCC to stop their desired network merger, if the network didn't fire Kimmel, just gives the liberal media another false narrative to focus on, rather than on the Democrats' and the liberal media's own complicity and responsibility for Charlie Kirk's death.
And rather than on the consistent one-sided violence of the Democrat /Left daily across the U.S. against Republicans, FOR YEARS


https://www.conservapedia.com/Left-wing_violence_in_the_Trump_era

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/...es-600-incidents-of-violence-harassment/

Suspected Assassin Preached on Spiritual Warfare

“ But in a video dated February 2023, Boelter is seen preaching at La Borne Matadi, a church in Matadi, on the western coast of the DRC. In one sermon he tells the audience that “people don’t know what sex they are” because the devil “has gotten so far into their mind and their soul.”

In another sermon at the church, one of three he gave from 2021 to 2023, according to Wired, Boelter said, “They don’t know abortion is wrong, many churches,” he told the audience. “They don’t have the gifts flowing. God gives the body gifts. To keep balance. Because when the body starts moving in the wrong direction, when they’re one, and accepting the gifts, God will raise an apostle or prophet to correct their course.

“God is going to raise up apostles and prophets in America,” he added, “to correct his church.”

On the now-defunct website for Revoformation, a nonprofit apparently founded by Boelter, a biography said that he was ordained in 1993 and had attended Christ for the Nations Institute in Dallas, a charismatic “Spirit-filled Bible School,” according to its website, that helps develop ministry skills.”

This is what Vance preached before he decided to kill democrats WB.

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That is again distortion and spin, M E M, deflecting from the actual facts....


Accused Minnesota assassin Vance Boelter hints at motive during exclusive jailhouse interview: ‘It didn’t involve… Trump stuff or pro-life’

• By Georgia Worrell, July 12, 2025
  
  
  The man accused in the politically motivated assassination of a Minnesota lawmaker and her husband insisted to The Post this week the murders had nothing to do with President Trump or abortion — but stopped short of saying what allegedly drove him to kill.
  
  “You are fishing and I can’t talk about my case…I’ll say it didn’t involve either the Trump stuff or pro life,” Vance Boelter wrote this week from a cell inside Sherburne County Jail in Elk River, about 30 miles northwest of Minneapolis.
  “I am pro-life personaly [sic] but it wasn’t those,” he said, using the jail’s internal messaging system. “I will just say there is a lot of information that will come out in future that people will look at and judge for themselves that goes back 24 months before the 14th. If the gov ever let’s [sic] it get out.”
  
  The Post’s communication with Boelter, 57, included messages and two separate, 20-minute video visits Friday — and were his first public comments, outside of brief court hearings, since his arrest for the murders of Minnesota House Speaker Melissa Hortman and her husband, Mark, in their Brooklyn Park home around 3:30 a.m. on June 14.
  He’s also accused of shooting state Sen. John Hoffman and his wife, Yvette, at their Champlin home during the sick spree.
  
  Boelter harped on a handwritten, one-and-a-half page letter left in an abandoned SUV at the crime scene that was addressed to FBI Director Kash Patel, saying critical elements were kept from the public.
  
  “Can I ask what you heard as an outside person about the note that the alleged person — I’ll say alleged person — left in that car, did you hear anything about that?” demanded Boelter, who was wearing a yellow, jail-issued jumpsuit, and spoke with a thick Minnesotan accent.
  
  In the letter, which has not been released publicly, Boelter reportedly claimed he had been secretly trained by the US Military and was asked by Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz to perform the killings, so that the 2024 Democratic vice presidential candidate could run for Minnesota Democratic Sen. Amy Klobuchar’s seat.
  
  “Certain details of that letter were leaked out that probably painted one kind of a picture, but a lot more important details that were in that letter were not leaked out,” Boelter said during the second televisit Friday, refusing to elaborate, only saying the details pertained to “things that were going on in Minnesota.”
  
  “I also made sure when I was arrested that they secured that letter — I made the request that they secure that letter before it gets destroyed — because I was concerned somebody would destroy it,” said Boelter, who has grown a salt and pepper goatee since his arrest.
  
  Law enforcement found the letter alongside a hit list of 70 other politicians, including Walz and abortion providers in the North Star State, and flyers for the “No Kings” anti-Trump rallies scheduled the same day as the killings.
  
  He told The Post after a long pause that he supported Trump, but refused to clarify his relationship to and feelings toward Democrat Walz, who appointed Boelter to Minnesota’s Workforce Development Council in 2019.
  
  In response to a question about his feelings toward the victims and their families, Boelter invoked his Christian faith — bizarrely recalling a Bible verse in which God tells his followers to love thy neighbors.
  
  “I forgot which verse it was…but I’ve always followed that,” said Boelter, who authorities say wore a creepy latex mask during the depraved attacks.
  
  “You can maybe ask…if somebody believes that, and they love God and that they love their neighbor…allegedly, how could they be involved in a situation where some people are no longer here that were here before?” he eerily inquired.
  
  “I’ll let you chew on that one,” he said.
  
  The ordained minister and father of four — who claimed to have business ventures in the food, farming, security and several other industries — also gave a small glimpse into his own family’s turmoil.
  
  “I talked to my wife for 2 minutes shortly after my arrest and then the call was cut off. Nothing since then. My wife and family had nothing to do with any of this. They were all shocked like others,” he wrote, referring to wife Jenny Boelter.
  
  Boelter’s family were “completely blindsided” by his alleged crimes, they said in a June 26 statement released through their lawyer.
  
  “On behalf of my children and myself, I want to express our deepest sympathies to the Hortman and Hoffman families,” his wife, Jenny Boelter, said in the statement. “This violence does not at all align with our beliefs as a family.” She did not return requests for comment.
  
  Besides his wife and The Post, the accused assassin has only had contact with his lawyer and correctional officers inside the county lockup, where he’s been held in a central booking cell for nearly a month.
  “My immune system is failing because I am being held in a booking cell that’s not made to live in,” he whined. “I wasn’t issued cloths [sic] for almost 3 weeks. Lights never shut off. Sleep on plastic pad on concrete floor.”
  
  “I’m not allowed to be around or talk to anyone except the guards,” he wrote.

About 35 years ago I was invited to a "Charismatic" Christian service. They basically "feel" a lot and don't rely on scripture or doctrines. I went exactly one time, and had no desire to ever go back. It was pretty far out there, what I'd imagine attending a seance is like, or receiving a reike massage.


You imply Boetler s is somehow motivated by Republican-orchestrated hate for Democrats, but I don't see any evidence of that in your article, or in the one I just posted, that clarifies what Vance Boetler actually said and believes. And trying to clarify that is kind of like trying to nail jello to the wall.

What he said is basically raionalizations that are completely in his own head, that he believes in his weird mind are Christian ideas or whatever, but are not sourced or in line with any Bible scripture or the denominational doctrine of any Christian church.

All he really says clearly is that Democrat governor Tim Walz, who appointed him to his job, also told Boetler to go after these Democrat political leaders.
And that doesn't lay the blame at Trump's feet, or tie to any other "right wing" / Republican agenda. Much as you try to insinuate otherwise.

WHAT "innocent people have already been swept up in the doxxing campaign"?

Tha's so vague, I have absolutely nothing to connect it to. Is that the notifying of employers what some truly mean and evil people said, gleefully celebrating the shooting assassination of Charlie Kirk?
Because all these people did was notify their employers, and I certainly don't see these people, who CHOSE to publicly make these cruel posts and videos abou Kirk's death on social media as "innocent".
But neither is it posting their full names and addresses so people can come after them in their homes or elsewhere.

That's not accurate, M E M, that's NOT what happened.

As opposed to democracts doing EXACTLY that to ICE agents nationwide.

And at least, Amy Coney Barrett and her home and children. And probably many other Republicans.

Or the "SWAT-ting" of Marjorie Taylor-Green and multiple Trump cabinet officials in he las few months, actually trying to get them killed with fake phone calls, alleging an armed hostage situation in their homes.

As usual, EVERYTHING you allege falsely about Republicans, is what your side is ACTUALLY doing to Republicans and ICE agents, or any reporters (andy Ngo, for exaample), independents and even Democrats (Robert F. Kennedy Jr, Tulsi Gabbard, Sen Robert Menendez, mayor Eric Adams).
The Democrat-Bolshevik party, that runs 100% on intimidation, on violence, and for several years now openly, on MURDER.

I know it isn't as sexy as saying these guys did it for political reasons, but it could just be that crazies are going to crazy regardless of political beliefs.

Also, Wondy, look into the concept of jawboning. I think it'd be something that you'd be interested in.

Here is a manager of a Texas Roadhouse getting shit-canned because of a post made by his wife calling Kirk a Nazi. Guilt by association is a heaping helping of bullshit.

https://www.thefp.com/p/his-wife-called-charlie-kirk-a-nazi

Vance had a hit list of all democrats. All pro choice that included Walz. I don’t think it’s a grey area about it being politically motivated. Is he crazy, sure. And like Kirk’s assassin, Vance doesn’t appear to be part of an extremist group but both I think are political solo acts of political violence.

Again, bumper sticker Democrat talking points slogans, but I don't see any details to back that allegation up.

Trump and his administration ihas brought in an unprecedented over $17 trillion (so far) in foreign investment, growth, new factories, opportunity and good-paying jobs and lower prices for everyone, NOT just the people who voted for Trump. I fail to see how that gets spun as "pushing for more hate and division". That's just a lying fake talking point.

You know what "hate and division" is, M E M?

Weaponizing the IRS to shut down the Tea Party and religious conservatives in the 2010 and 2012 elections.

Weaponizing the FBI against your political enemies and imprisoning 1,500 people who protested at the Capitol on Jan 6th, over 90% of whom did absolutely nohing wrong, arguably not even "trespassing" or "parading".
And even among the 10% of Capitol protesters alleged to be guilty of something, undercover FBI and other law enforcement agencies to infiltrated the protesters to FRAME them for violence and vandalism that THEY, the FBI, actually committed, over 20 of whom (FBI agents) were photographed but never arrested. While the 90% "trespassers" and "paraders" were held in jail indefinitely without trial for months and years, to the point that many under duress signed confessions to crimes they didn't commit, just so they could be released. Police on Jan 6 deliberately fired concussion grenades and tear gas into PEACEFUL crowds just sanding around waving flags. Until a handful of Capitol protesters actually did fight back, but not unprovoked or as an "insurrection".
And most of them were simply framed, or overcharged for non-crimes.
And the FBI agents who orchestrated that have repeatedly voiced their deep hate and contempt for people who simply voted for Trump.


https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/20...ell-trump-supporters-at-a-walmart-video/








Likewise, what FBI did to pro-life peaceful protesters. More 6 AM armed FBI raids, more imprisonment for non-crimes, to intimidate other by making an example of them.
Likewise, what FBI did to parents who spoke up against woke indoctrination at PTA meetings. More FBI 6 AM raids and imprisonment for non-crimes, to intimidate the rest of us into submission.

Or the Biden administration ignoring and denying aid to East Palestine, Ohio, because it was a region that voted 73% for Trump. THAT is "division and hate".


Or instructing FEMA agents in North Carolina to just walk on by and not offer aid to any home that had a Trump campaign sign on the lawn. THAT is "division and hate".

There is absolutely nothing similar being done, despite 25 years of continuous Democrat hate and radicalism against us, to reciprocate and do the same in retaliation to Democrats.

And he FCC thing is just more false narrative, to ry and change he subject from Democrats' direct responsibility for the YEARS of stoked hatred tha led to the assassinaation of Charlie Kirk, AND two attemps o assassinae Donalld Trump, and so many violent attacks by Democrats on Republicans, FOR YEARS. Itt is very clear why you want to further lie and change the subject.


https://www.breitbart.com/the-media...and-harassment-against-trump-supporters/

https://www.conservapedia.com/Left-wing_violence_in_the_Trump_era

https://www.westernjournal.com/blms-mostly-peaceful-riots-cost-1000x-damage-jan-6-capitol-unrest/

https://americandefensenews.com/2021/07/12/capitol-riot-vs-blm-riots-which-caused-more-harm/

https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/attacks-republicans-trump-violent-rhetoric/

Like I said, all Trump did was make an off-the-cuff remark about "maybe" he would take away broadcast rights for stations that violate FCC laws with their deliberate mis-use of the airwaves, and deliberately broadcast unrelentting one-sded partisan Democrat lies night after night, that is often 90 to 100% anti-Trump / anti-Republican. And that really precedes Trump. It's not that Trump is such a "threat to democracy, constitutional crisis" that they are alleging this by Trump. The same Democrat and liberal media narrative has been aimed at every Republican president or candidate for the last 25 years.

To me, what Trump's doing is like waving a red laser-pointer at a cat, and watching them go nuts chasing it. That is all.

FCC director Brendan Carr likewise has threatened action, but he has not movd to actually do anything.


And I LOVE how you had over the last 16 years, and have now, no reaction to what Obama and Biden did over their 16 years to the media (and I say 16, because that "resistance" and obstructing Trump continued throughout his first term.)

I have yet to see you EVER critticize the Democrats in your 15-plus years on these boards. But you never miss an opportunity to attack Trump and/or Republicans in office for far less.

As I said, the Democrats, repeatedly over 16 years have tried to shut down all conservative broaadcast media, Fox News, One America News, and Newsmax, and came damn close to doing it. Plus arrestign reporters, and ev en telling liberaal media wha they could and could not report, or be denied Whie House access, or greater threats. Even into Trump's second 3 years, OAN remains pretty much shut down and marginalized, no cable carriers, just a subscriber service. Up till 2022, OAN was growing in influence and viewership.

You have nothing to say about Obama being the ONLY president in recent times to arrest reporters or shut down media sources. In the last 100 years or so, you have to go back to Woodrow Wilson or FDR to see another president who did that.
Butt hey, when Barack Obama or Biden shut down networks as "not a real news channel", or spy on journalists, or arrest them, NO PROBLEM.

But if Trump even head-fakes in that direction, it's a great crisis for you, and look out, the Democrats might do it back if / when they get back in power., a "blowback"
Well, newsflash, Iggy : The Democrats have been weaponizing government and intimidating if not shutting down the media for at least the last 16 years.

I don't know that Trump has anything crazy planned for reigning in the media. But it would be hard for him to surpass what Obama and Biden have done over the last 16 years.
I sttill don't think what Trump's doing exceeds aiming a red laser pointer at a kitty, and watching him go wild.

WB says…” You have nothing to say about Obama being the ONLY president in recent times to arrest reporters”

Name one reporter that Obama had arrested.

In a number of high profile ostensibly political murders, yeah, I could go along with the explanation that they're just pure crazy and politics doesn't actually figure into it.

And this Vance Boetler guy sure fits that profile. He says Tim Walz ordered him on that killing spree. But those could just be he voices in his head. So yeah, that's a possibiliy.

James Rosen, then working for Fox News. Now working for Newsmax.


https://www.cbsnews.com/news/fox-ne...by-obama-administration-court-documents/

That article also mentions the Obama DOJ seizing two months of phone records from the Associated Press.

And that's similar to the illegal FISA surveillance of the entire Trump administration, and through that surveillance listening to Giuliani and others speaking to Miranda Devine of the New York Post, listening in every day for weeks and months, so FBI knew EXACTLY when to drop the bomb that the Hunter Biden laptop was "Russian disinformation" and coordinate a ban of it being shared on Facebook or Twitter, right before he Nov 2020 election. DESPITE THAT IT WAS TRUE, and NOT Russian disinformation, and every one of them knew it, but signed off so Team Democrat could deceitfully win the election.

And the bogus "51 intelligence officials say the Hunter Biden laptop has all the earmarks of a Russian disinformation campaign" fake letter, used to bamboozle the public and suppress the laptop story, to win the election. .
Except that most of the 51 never even read the laptop contents, and Michael Morell, who signed the letter and is a former assistant CIA director, admitted in testimony that the letter was arranged by Anthony Blinkin, for the clear purpose of suppressing the Biden laptop facts. And the media, were all on board to sell tha lie, to get Biden elected by any deceiful means in 2020. The 51 abused their security clearances and their reputations to rig the Nov 2020 election.

And that's why Trump revoked their security clearances.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunter_Biden_laptop_letter

Rosen wasn’t actually arrested WB. The Obama administration did go after leakers hard but no reporters were arrested.

FWIW, I absolutely was against Biden jawboning social media companies to get antivax and other posts questioning the official narrative on COVID down. A lot of it was nutso, but it should have been Facebook or Twitter or whatever's decision to deplatform free of threats of government oversight and regulation.

Well you don’t have to worry about that now. Now we can be sicker plus even less free.

Tylenol causes autism is pretty peak unseriousness.

I eat lots of Tylenol and I'm just fine.

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A family physician told me 25 years ago that Tylenol is poison, and strongly recommended taking Ibuprofin, Advil or Aspirin instead.

He told me, if you take 15 or 20 tablets of Tylenol at once, you'll die. He said "You won't die immediately, it may take a few weeks or months, but you will die."


So, y'know, I never felt it was a good idea to use Tylenol after that.



Another doctor, an orthopedic specialist, told me that it's ironic, Aspirin is the most prescribed medicine, but it has the most documented side effects.

That's really splitting hairs and evasive, M E M.

The FBI made Rosen the center of an investigation, and as I said, all of the entire AP's communications were secretly under surveillance for 2 months. It was weaponization of the FBI by the Obama administration, to unwarrantedly threaten and intimidate media reporting of the Obama White House. And that weaponization of FBI, CIA, IRS and other agencies continued during Trump's first term and into the Biden years.
https://www.foxnews.com/world/james...justice-department-in-leak-investigation

https://apnews.com/general-news-dbba6eaf984a4be08cc235f66fd36a8d



And that's in addition to illegal FISA warrants and illegally 'unmasking" names of political opponents in FISA surveillance reports, since at least 2010. Not just one political opponent, or a handful of Republicans, but thousands surveiled and exposed in this way. By multiple people in the Obama White House.
So don't try to pretend like this was some minor thing.



And that's in addition to the Democra/Left trying to "de-platform" and completely wipe out Fox News (Obama: "They're not a legitimate news agency.")
And also One America News (successfully taken off the air in 2023, and have never recovered.)
And Newsmax (also taken off the air for about 4 months, following the same strategy they used to take OAN off the air, but Newsmax had enough popular support that the cable providers were forced to put Newsmax back on the air.

On every level, M E M, your Democrat-Bolshevik party is evil, and tries to silence, intimidate and shut down all dissenting thought. The Democrats' clear goal is an authoritarian one-party system in the U.S.
And you try to diminish and excuse just how evil the Democrat party truly is. There is no reasoning or negotiating with the Democrat party, at the top leadership level, at the grassroots level they are now one in spirit with Hamas. And frequenly lately, even protest beside Hamas. As well as adopting Bolshevik and Hamas-style intimidation and terror tactics.
Charlie Kirk is shot,
Donald Trump has been shot TWICE.
Steven Scalise, Rand Paul, other Republican leaders.
Andy Ngo and other reporters, intimidated, tthreatened, violently attacked, and under constant death threats.
Rioting, looting and burning 600 cities in the George Floyd riots in 2020.
Burning Tesla cars and dealerships nationwide to intimidate Elon Musk and others from supporting Trump.
Attacking ICE agents nationwide, the Left doxing ICE agents, attacking their homes, their families, their children.
And attacking Trump supporters daily nationwide, for 8 years now.

With every one of these events, the Democrat leadership is TOTALLY ON BOARD. No dissent, no calls for civility or ending the violence.
No criticism of any of these events by any Democrat House member , Senator, governor, former cabinet official, or Democrat presidential candidate.

And even at the grassroots level, Democrats in a large percentage, in many cases a majority, support killing Charlie Kirk (26%), support killing Trump (55%), and killing Elon Musk (48%).. No one in the Democrat party is asking for this to stop. They're all on board for intimidation, violence, killing, and silencing the free speech of anyone who disagrees with their Democrat-Bolshevik agenda.

The Democrat party is evil. Pure and simple, they don't even try to hide it anymore.

It’s not splitting hairs WB. Your claim of Obama arresting reporters is simply untrue. And I can point to the last presidential election where democrats lost and accepted it. There were was a peaceful transfer of power unlike 2020. You ate up every conspiracy story you could. And when Pelosi’s husband was brutally assaulted we got jokes. More jokes when an assassin took out a MN state lawmaker. And when Kirk was killed by someone that so far has no ties to any democrat organization Trump immediately blamed the left. You’re not hard enough on yourself WB.

We all know the second part of that statement is a lie, Lothar.

* SIGH *

There was no "un-peaceful transfer of power", no "insurrection", that is all just a LYING DEMOCRAT NARRATIVE, and it has been exposed to be that for over 2 years now.
Even ultra-Left Wikipedia no longer uses the titles "insurrection" or "storming of the Capitol" for their Jan 6th listings, because those narratives have been thoroughly disproven. Most of the Jan 6 prisoners were released when the 40,000 hours of Capitol security video PROVED they were almost all non-violent.

Likewise, Jill Sanborn, assistant FBI director of counter-terrorism who led the Jan 6th investigation, said in Senate testimony that NOT ONE FIREARM was confiscated in all of Washington Square by law enforecement on Jan 6th. Period, the end.
You can't have an armed "insurrection"... without guns.
So there was no attempt to "overthrow" the election. That is just a lying Democrat narrative.

Were there a few incidents of rioting and vandalism?
Yes.

But not an Insurrection, as you are straining at this point to allege. Even Jacob "Quanon Shaman" Chansley, who for 2 and a half years was the Democrats' poster boy for "White Racist Right Wing Insurrecionists" was completely vindicated and proved innocent of any violence or vandalism, and released from jail almost immediately when the Capitol surveillance video was finally released. So vindicated that the Left has largely erased the former poster boy from your Jan 6th narrative.

And as I said, it has also been proven that there were undercover FBI and other false-flag agents DISGUISED AS Trump supporters in the crowd, and John Earle Sullivan and his Antifa group, who were at the center of all the worst vandalism and clashes with police, and at least 20 unidentified "protesters" photographed were quickly taken off the FBI's website and have never been identified. So even many of the few incidents of vandalism or clashing with police appear to have been by either Antifa or undercover FBI agents. Never identified, despite all FBI's resources. Because they are FBI's guys, and i would be an embarassment to identify them, and explain why they were there in the crowd on Jan 6th.

And as I posted a video of a week ago, interviewing Jan 6th investigative reporter Julie Kelly, videotaped police (or false-flag agents DISGUISED as police) fired tear gas and concussion grenades into a peaceful crowd over and over, for the precise purpose of making them violently fight back, to the point that some of the ACTUAL Trump supporters finally began to fight back, explaining some of the "right wing violence".



And I also posted video of Senate hearings where multiple Senators asked both FBI director Chris Wray, and assistant director Jill Sanborn 1) if there were undercover FBI agents in the crowd, and for what purpose,
2) did undercover FBI agents in the crowd incite vandalism or violence,
and
3) did undercover FBI agents commit violent acts THEMSELVES.
To which Wray and Sanborn just over and over said "Senator, I can't answer that..."

Which is a YES to all those questions.
A 97% Democrat-donating FBI tried to frame Trump and his supporters, and make them so politically toxic that Trump could never be re-elected.
But here we are in 2025, in Trump's even more successful 2nd term, so... how did that work out?



YOUR SIDE, THE DEMOCRATS are involved in all kinds of violence and attempts to silence Trump and the wider Republican party. Democrats are shooting up ICE compounds, attacking ICE agents nationwide, they're burning Tesla cars and dealerships to intimidate Elon Musk and other Democrats or Independents who even think of moving to support Trump.
Antifa trannies are on numerous shooting sprees killing people in churches and Christian schools,
Democrats are attacking conservative students on college campuses, there has been militant hatred and attacks on Trump supporters for 8 years, and... you try to allege that Trump supporters are the dangerous insurrectionists?!?


And by the way, YOUR SIDE rigged the 2020 election. That is just an absolute fact at this point.
FBI suppressing the Hunter Biden Laptop.
Twittergate.
The faked "51 intelligence officials" letter, who propped up the narrative that the Hunter Biden laptop "has all the earmarks of a Russian disinformation campaign". Except that most of the 51 never even saw the Hunter Biden laptop contents. hey were just Democrat-Bolsheviks, who only signed the letter as propaganda, to help Biden rig the election.
Poll after poll show that 15% of Democrats would not have voted for Biden, if they knew then what they know now about the Hunter Biden laptop, and about the Biden family's enrichment through millions paid to them in bribes from Russia, China, Ukraine, and Rumania.

And then millions of fake mail-in ballots, and all the ways those were falsely counted. And again, up till 3 AM, Trump was winning all the battleground states. And BY THE WEIRDEST COINCIDENCE, the election flipped to a Biden "victory" right after Democrat officials tricked Republican vote observers in multiple cities into going home for the night, while Democrats workers stayed all night, counting votes and rigging votes.
THAT is not a "peaceful transfer of power". That is a coup, an illegal seizure of power by an evil Democrat-Bolshevik party.

And the Dominion voting machines, that even Democrat Senators and presidential primary candidates Amy Klobuchar, Elizabeth Warren, and Ron Wyden screamed from the rooftops were unreliable and easily hacked voting machines, and CNN reports even aired warnings about this from 2017-2020 (re-broadcast on OAN from 2021-2023, exposing the Democrat hypocrisy, and CNN's burying of its own previous reported facts.)
But when Biden won, suddenly these 3 outspoken Democrat Senators went silent about Dominion machines, and even wiped their previous warnings and public comments from their Senate websites. Further proving how deceitful and evil the Democrat party is.
While it was a weapon they could use against Trump, these 3 Democrat leaders were "concerned".
But as soon as rigged voting helped Democrats gain power with Biden in the White House... perfectly okay.

As I said you present conspiracy theories as fact. When you get called out on an obvious lie like Obama arresting reporters you say your lie is splitting hairs. We watched what happened in 2020 and the crowd trying to get into the capital wasn’t peaceful. Law enforcement did get injured as the crowd attacked them. Compare that to Harris losing this last one. Democrats accepted the loss and didn’t try to overturn the results.

This is all retreads but again there’s things that are now very acceptable within the Republican Party that wouldn’t fly within the Democrat Party. A president freeing those that assaulted law enforcement for him. Jokes about Pelosi being violently assaulted. An evangelical Trump supporter assassinating democrats, we get more jokes. And then you have republican influencers like the late Charlie Kirk who called for President Biden to be charged with treason and executed. This is who your party wants to call a patriot? Someone that is yelling at a mob to kill police officers shouldn’t be working in the DOJ. You have no ethics that allow for this to happen other than whatever helps keep your party in power.

A Fox News person just recently advocated lethal injection for homeless people. It took 3 days for him to apologize and he’s still very safe at his job.