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Curious, without seeking a debate, to see what people here make of the war.


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Trump has dementia and has gotten 'Murica into another clusterfuck.


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Iran has been in constant war with the United States for 48 years since 1979, that has killed thousands of U.S. soldiers and civilians.

Jimmy Carter, Ronald Reagan, George H W Bush, Bill Clinton, George W Bush, Barack Obama, and Joseph Biden all did little to nothing, either afraid or just hoped against logic that Iran's growing threat would just go away. And in the cases of Barack Obama and Joe Biden, gave Iran's islamic terror regime billions of dollars to widen their war against the United States, and further attack our allies worldwide, and even used the money BIDEN AND OBAMA GAVE THEM to develop nuclear weapons, and the missiles to carry them.

Three months ago when Trump sent negotiators to try and reach a peaceful solution, one of the Iranian diplomats boasted that Iran already had 60%-plus enriched uranium, enough to build 11 nuclear warheads, and missiles to carry them, and that Iran was just weeks away from having completed bombs and missiles, ready to deploy. When U.S. negotiators communicated this to Trump, THAT is the exact point that Trump made the decision to go to war on Iran, to prevent Iran from reaching that threshold.

Keep in mind, less than a year ago, the U.S. did a bombing strike that took out Iran's underground mountain nuclear manufacturing bases completely.
And then undeterred, Iran just immediately rebuilt its nuclear program and missiles.
And further used that redeveloped nukes program to threaten U.S. negotiators. In the Obama or Biden administrations, that would have intimidated them into submission, and Iran would now have nuclear weapons to blackmail or destroy the world. But Trump would not permit that to happen, and did what was necessary.

Trump would prefer a diplomatic approach, but because Iran was revealed to be weeks away from having completed nuclear weapons, Trump knew there wasn't time to wait till after the mid-term election, he had to act now to prevent Iran from being in a position to become a nuclear power. A fanatical Islamic regime that is already the greatest sponsor of terrorism, that for 48 years has daily chanted "Death to America", and "Death to Israel", has said it wants nuclear weapons "to advance the cause of Islam", and with nuclear weapons, it "would wipe Israel off the map".

A nation this fanatical can not be permitted to obtain nuclear weapons. Period, the end.
I absolutely support Trump's actions in Iran. He is doing what is necessary, and 48 years overdue.

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I haven't been a fan of how it has been run or the damage he's done to our strategic arsenal with so little to show for it thus far. He just announced a deal (though memorandum of understanding isn't really a finished peace) on his birthday (what a coincidence!) I'm going to need some real convincing that anything coming out of this is better than the 2015 deal he unilaterally wrecked.

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It is a hard thing to digest.

There's no denying the Iranian government are terrible people. They couldn't be permitted to get a nuclear weapon. I think everyone agrees on that.

Operation Midnight Hammer clearly didn't work, or didn't work effectively enough. I think everyone agrees with that, too, subject to what I said below.

The Trump administration apparently thought that what would work in Venezuela would work in Iran, and that has not happened. There also did not seem to be an acceptance by Hegseth that the Iranians would indeed close the Strait of Hormuz. When you look at photos for the terrain, it is hard to think why that would not happen. On the Iranian side of the Strait, there are enormous mountains. Very easy to hide people with RPGs.

No deal happened overnight my time (it is Monday morning now). The longer that the Iranians can hold out to November, the better deal that they get, I'd guess. The Iranians said a deal wouldn't happen yesterday but was possible this week.

There is always the possibility that this had weapons program, and was very strategic and orientated towards China. Venezuela and Iran supply China with most of its oil. China with no oil = East Asian regional stability.

I keep reading that even if the Strait of Hormuz opens tomorrow, it will be a year before things go back to normal, because of damage to and shutdowns of infrastructure, and the backlog of shipping. So, higher prices for petroleum for a long time.


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Just heard on breakfast news that the Pakistani president has announced a deal has been reached.

My understanding though is that it is a ceasefire and a precursor to further negotiations on the weapons program and frozen Iranian financial assets.


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That’s what I understand also. Nothing gained from all this. Lots of people killed including 14 of our own. Billions spent. This will be a mess for another administration to try to clean up.


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Good thing the orange pedo tore up Obama's deal. Wasted lives, billions spent, no regime change, gas prices skyrocketed. Of course the MAGA cult will claim this as the greatest, most bigliest win ever.

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300 billion vs 1.5 billion to Iran. I guess Trump made a bigger deal.


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Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
300 billion vs 1.5 billion to Iran. I guess Trump made a bigger deal.
The rubes really believe all those Sunni neighbors are going to be the ones to pay that "at least 300 billion" to their Shia neighbors.

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300 billion vs 1.5 billion to Iran. I guess Trump made a bigger deal.
The rubes really believe all those Sunni neighbors are going to be the ones to pay that "at least 300 billion" to their Shia neighbors.

That's precisely the point. The surrounding gulf states will be the hardest judges of whether or not Iran is complying, or is continuing aggression.
And even if at some point another rube Democrat administration comes into power, the Arab Gulf states will still be in charge of the reconstruction, so the Democrats won't be able to screw it up.

And the gulf states want to cultivate an Iran that is peaceful with its neighbors. if Iran is intertwined with them economically for its survival, Iran is much less likely to wage war against them.
And for that matter, many of these nations were peaceful and had good/friendly relations with Iran, right up till 3 months ago when the current Iran IRGC regime out of the blue started raining missiles down on them. Even the neighboring Shia states have a self-interest in a new and peaceful Iran, that won't shut off the Persian Gulf entirely again, completely closing off all shipping and oil trade through the Straight of Hormuz.


And "the rubes" in the Bill Clinton administration believed giving away a billion a year in free energy in 1994 to North Korea would make them abandon pursuit of nuclear weapons ( it didn't, they went public that they had obtained nuclear weapons in 2002, thank you so much Bill Clinton).

And "the rubes" in the Barack Obama and Joe Biden administrations believed giving hundreds of billions to Iran and Russia, either in pallettes of cash, and/or by not enforcing oil sanctions, that gave Russia and Iran $100 billion each to wage war. These Democrat rubes naively believed it would make Russia and Iran be peaceful. Instead they invaded Ukraine in 2022, and rebuilt Hamas, Hezbollah, Fatah and the Houthi terrorist militias, to rain down death on Israel ever since October 7 2023.
And Iran further used that $100 billion in new cash to build nuclear weapons, and the long-range missiles to carry them. (Thank you so much Barack Obama, Joe Biden, and the entire America-hating Marxist-Bolshevik Iran-spy-infested Democrat party.)

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Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
300 billion vs 1.5 billion to Iran. I guess Trump made a bigger deal.

NOT paid by the U.S., but CONDITIONALLY paid by Arab states to contractors who economically rebuild Iran.
NOT paid to the Iranian government, but directly to contractors selected by the Arab states. Huge difference.



I love how the U.S. liberal media, who have glowingly praised Obama for 11 years for negotiating JCPOA, now all of a sudden are selling the false narrative that Trump's Iran deal (which isn't even completed for at least 60 days) is "just like Obama's Iran deal."

It's hilarious that they are now throwing Obama under the bus, and admitting that the JCPOA in 2015 was a shitty deal. Just so they can allege that Trump's negotiated deal (which doesn't even exist yet) is just as bad and no better.
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The United States of America undertakes with regional partners to develop a definitive mutually agreed plan with at least USD 300 billion for the reconstruction and economic development of the Islamic Republic of Iran. The mechanism for the implementation of this plan will be finalized as part of a final deal within 60 days. All required licenses, waivers and permissions needed for the relevant financial transactions will be granted by the United States of America.

Nowhere does it say that the US won't pay. The only people who said that are the same people that said only unconditional surrender, no ballistic missiles, and ships had a path through the Strait. They didn't surrender. They're keeping their missiles. And, dumbass admitted on a world stage that the strategic petroleum reserve was four weeks from running dry if we didn't open the strait. But, keep sinking costs into the lemon. The fact you're the living embodiment of an economic fallacy should disqualify your dumbass from voting.

The most ironic thing of all though is that he's grabbing you guys, his supporters, by your metaphorical pussies because of your perverted sense of his wealth and business acumen. Supposed men like yourself metaphorically chopping their own balls off and cucking themselves to feel they're somehow winning by proxy through him while he fucks you again and again. Your little bitch ass, deep down, is the tranniest lady boy of them all. Enjoy the peeling paint in the reflection pool, you dunce.

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The United States of America undertakes with regional partners to develop a definitive mutually agreed plan with at least USD 300 billion for the reconstruction and economic development of the Islamic Republic of Iran. The mechanism for the implementation of this plan will be finalized as part of a final deal within 60 days. All required licenses, waivers and permissions needed for the relevant financial transactions will be granted by the United States of America.

Nowhere does it say that the US won't pay. The only people who said that are the same people that said only unconditional surrender, no ballistic missiles, and ships had a path through the Strait. They didn't surrender. They're keeping their missiles. And, dumbass admitted on a world stage that the strategic petroleum reserve was four weeks from running dry if we didn't open the strait. But, keep sinking costs into the lemon. The fact you're the living embodiment of an economic fallacy should disqualify your dumbass from voting.

The most ironic thing of all though is that he's grabbing you guys, his supporters, by your metaphorical pussies because of your perverted sense of his wealth and business acumen. Supposed men like yourself metaphorically chopping their own balls off and cucking themselves to feel they're somehow winning by proxy through him while he fucks you again and again. Your little bitch ass, deep down, is the tranniest lady boy of them all. Enjoy the peeling paint in the reflection pool, you dunce.


How can it say anything, when the agreement is still in the tentative negotiation stage for the next 60 days, and not completed yet?

And how can the US's strategic petroleum reserves be running dry, when we are oil-independent for the first time in 71 years (thanks to Donald Trump, in 2017, and restored again in 2025 after Biden screwed it up and made us dependent on foreign oil again) , so that we are now a net exporter of oil, and only get about 2% of our oil supply through the Straight of Hormuz?
What's your source for that? The PROVEN liars at CNN or MSNOW, The New York Times, WP, or Politico, who daily shape their narrative to match the Democrat party's talking points, probably with daily morning conference calls with the DNC leadership (as they have been PROVEN on several occasions to in the past, since 2008) ?

Regarding Iran keeping their missiles (1) AGAIN: the final treaty is sill being drafted for at least the next 60 days, so you don't know what you pretend to, you can't.
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(2) There are things that Trump and his team have to put in that allow the Iranians to claim some partial victory in the negotiations, a least on paper, to sell it to their own people. And Iran is a country so murderous that its negotiating leaders could be killed by hardliners in their own government if they appear too soft in their negotiations with the U.S. And keep in mind, Iran slaughtered at least 40,000 of their own people just in January of this year, and probably thousandds more since. That is who we're dealing with. Trump and his negotiators understand this and aren't going to sell us out, as Obama and Biden did for the last 18 years. He knows how to play hardball, the rubes in 3 Democrat-Left administrations did not.


And again bla bla bla with your deeply unhinged and demented personal insults, based on nothing.
I truly feel sorry for the people in your personal life, you are manifestly in your own written words here one twisted sick , perverse, foul, and malicious person, filled with unreasoning hate.

And there's a lot of sick ideological phrasing in your above post, as in so many of your posts, that makes sense only to you. You boil over with unhinged hate for Trump and all Republicans, and hang on every word spoonfed to you from the Democrat-Marxist Left, and their brethren in the Newspeak liberal media.

And then you have the audacity to front that you're somehow neutral and non-partisan. You prove over and over that you are deeply unhinged hard, HARD Left, supporting Occupy Wall Street.
You're rabidly anti-Christian and even BOASTING of tormenting Christian students at the junior college where you teach (if you haven' been fired yet).
And more recently you said you support the at least 12 million completely unvetted illegals Biden let into the country during his 4-year term.
There is no moderate or independent who would support any of that, only someone on the craziest fringe of the Left.

Seriously, get psychological help.

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You are again manifesting your lying tendency, and your deep pathological hatred of Trump. And cherry picking and misrepresenting what was said, to conform to your pre-conceived pro-Democrat narrative, no matter what the true facts.
You vile and demented piece of excrement.

  • “We run out of reserves at about four weeks,” Trump said in France while at the Group of Seven summit, discussing the recent memorandum of understanding with Iran. “You know, there are reserves all over the world, and we would really run out, and there’ll be a time when you wouldn’t be able to get it.”


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  • It’s not entirely clear whether Trump was referring to U.S. or global oil inventories. The White House declined to elaborate , referring The Hill back to Trump’s original remarks.


So Trump really said nothing, he made a deliberately provocative public comment to hasten negotiations along. He DIDN'T say U.S. oil reserves were running out, he used rhetoric to motivate negotiation.

Since the U.S. only (as I said) gets about 2% of its oil from the Persian Gulf, and (as I said) the U.S. is oil independent again for the first time in 71 years because of his policy as president, (not to mention further new oil on tap from Venezuela, Saudi Arabia and United Arab Emirates) it is OBVIOUS he is talking ambiguously about OTHER nations' limited reserves, without naming them.
And motivating Europe, Japan, South Korea and even China, out of their own vulnerability and self interest, to do everything they can to help move along a resolution to the Strait of Hormuz negotiations.



Your own article on Trump's Iranian missile comments ALSO partly explains things, without my even having to, if you had reading comprehension skills.
A large percentage of missiles have already been destroyed. So what remains could be considered just a defensive capability, now deprived of the nuclear component. They also have lost the manufacturing facilities to build more. My own choice would be to eliminate far more Iran missiles, by either negotiation or strikes, and demand that the current remaining IRGC leadership either leave Iran into exile, or at least step down from power to be replaced by a more moderate provisional coalition government, as conditions of surrender.
Bu even with Trump's existing plan, the IRGC regime is not expected to survive in power through the first election, so if the new regime doesn't continue the same aggression toward its neighbors, there is no urgency to remove their missiles.

Unmentioned in the article, whether the missiles are 85% destroyed (as Trump asserts) , or 70% survived bombing and remain (as others assert), there are other factors. General Keith Kellogg said that while Iran may have missiles, they have lost the launchers and trained crews to fire them. I think Trump is is about offering something to the remaining IRGC regime, as a bargaining chip, to bring about their larger surrender. And all these are still tentative offers, to bring the Iran IRGC leadership into a final agreement, and not yet set in stone as you imply. Not for at least 60 days.

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This isn't Obama's deal. I agree with you, Dave. It isn't a deal at all. It is an invitation to do a deal.

In my view, Trump surrendered. He had to, by his own words, stop economic catastrophe which was consequential upon Iran's closure of the Strait of Hormuz. The IRGC have been left in power. Trump's exhortation to the Iranian people to rise up has failed, and to be honest he could never have helped them without an invasion. In so far as the Iranian people are concerned, the IRCG more in control than ever.

And now Trump is offering to bribe them with $300 billion of someone else's money. Just imagine how far that gets you if you're out to spread radical Shia Islamist jihad.

I think that if you're going to effect regime change, you invade a country. I sound like a fucking neo-con (I swear, I'm not G-Man pretending to be Australian). I acknowledge it didn't work in Afghanistan. But it worked in Iraq, and way back when, it worked in Japan, South Korea, and Germany. That scenario however would cost a lot of American lives.

Dave, you're misunderstanding in your second-to-last post how global markets work. Just because the US has its own petroleum reserves does not mean it (and US consumers) are not hit by global price increases, because globalisation means there is a global market. We have all seen this in play at bowsers across the world.


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U.S. strikes targets in Iran after Iranian drone attack on cargo ship, posing challenge to ceasefire


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https://www.nbcnews.com/world/iran/...rikes-tehran-ships-hormuz-oil-rcna353439

Live updates: U.S. military begins new strikes on Iran, U.S. Central Command says


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The clusterfuck continues...


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4 months ago....







5 days ago...





KT McFarland was an assistant defense secretary in Ronald Reagan's first term in 1981.

And then she was assistant director of national intelligence under Michael Flynn in early 2017 at the beginning of Donald Trump's first term as president.


Despite what George Orwell's liberal media is fronting, the war in Iran is largely over, and Iran has lost.
In another interview on Rob Schmitt's program on Newsmax last night, McFarland said (if I recall, quoting Sun Tsu's The Art of War ) there are two ways to kill a snake:
(1) Cut its head off (which can have messy and unexpected results),
or in a more controlled situation (2) Starve it to death.
And Trump is doing the latter.

Trump has sunk Iran's entire navy.
Has destroyed much of Iran's missile and drone arsenals, and destroyed Iran's ability to manufacture more.

Iran can lob a handful of missiles and drones at a time, but they really no longer have the power to fight back, just enough to gesture that they're still alive and resisting, on some very limited ineffectual level.

I've already deailed how unimportant and irrelevant the Strait of Hormuz has become. In the next 3 to 6 months it will be completely bypassed by other oil supply lines and new oil supplying nations, like Saudi Arabia, Oman (both massively ramping up their oil production, these two nations ALONE producing more than Iran ever produced daily)
Plus Venezuela ramping up production.
And the United States also massively ramping up oil production. And the U.S. is where about 200 oil tankers are re-routing to right now, to fill up on oil they could not get in the Persian Gulf.
REGARDLESS of whether Iran blocks the Strait of Hormuz, the world is rapidly moving in the next few months to other oil routes and suppliers, and the Strait's blockage (or not) will be increasingly irrelevant.
And regardless, global oil supply will rise, and the price will inevitably drop increasingly over the next 6 months.

The U.S. and Israel together have killed off much of Iran's leadership, their brightest and best and most experienced leaders and generals. Killed off all their leaders and their replacements, three times over.

Over the last two weeks, the U.S. has sealed Iran's eastern border with Afghanistan, further cutting off Iran's remaining economic and military supply lines from China and other nations.
The Iran beast is starving, and increasingly unable to even pay their most loyal soldiers.
Not even getting paid, they will increasingly not fight to preserve the regime.
And sensing weakness, the Iranian people ( 85% of whom hate this IRGC regime, and want it overthrown ) will rise up and fight the regime as it begins to collapse.


And eventually, George Orwell's liberal media will have to admit and report the truth of this.
And report the wisdom of what Trump has set in motion.

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Originally Posted by Wonder Boy
::media that agrees with me and bizarre claims that are unverified coping::

Again, this is why no one takes you fucking seriously.

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Great News!

The Orange Pedo said he will make the Strait of Hormuz a U.S. Territory!

Just like 'Merica annexing Canada, Greenland, and Cuba!

Uh, nevermind.

Dude really has dementia.


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And, now we are punishing South Korea for not joining Trump's war of choice...

https://apnews.com/article/korea-trump-military-exercises-ae21e0af5ea16f0a74e9a176b3cc2136

I've long been in favor of retrenchment to preserve US hegemony long term, but he's straight up wrecking it whole cloth. Mr. Make America Great Again is accelerating the decline and Wondy cheers wholeheartedly.

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Originally Posted by iggy
Originally Posted by Wonder Boy
::media that agrees with me and bizarre claims that are unverified coping::

Again, this is why no one takes you fucking seriously.


How EVERYONE knows you're a liar, Iggy :


You NEVER are able to factually dispute what I say. You just manufacture completely made-up fake quotes for me, to lyingly project me to say.


That is why no one takes YOU seriously. Shithead.


Also, you never make a lucid point, you just snipe and make personal insults from the sidelines, toward conservatives like myself whose views you can't factually dispute.
And while you lyingly PRETEND to be a moderate or independent, you only quote far-Left/Democrat propaganda sources like New York Times, Washington Post, Politico, CNN and the like. And have many times openly stated your absolute contempt for Fox News, Newsmax, Breitbart, OAN, DailyCaller, and any other conservative or center-right news source, outside the far-Left/Democrat nipple you suck your talking points whole and undigested from, to vomit up here.

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And, now we are punishing South Korea for not joining Trump's war of choice...

https://apnews.com/article/korea-trump-military-exercises-ae21e0af5ea16f0a74e9a176b3cc2136

I've long been in favor of retrenchment to preserve US hegemony long term, but he's straight up wrecking it whole cloth. Mr. Make America Great Again is accelerating the decline and Wondy cheers wholeheartedly.



This is another liberal media false narrative you are just parroting.

Just like alleging that the U.S. military is running out of missiles in fighting a third-rate power like Iran. When the truth is, only 20% of U.S. military strength is positioned in the Persian Gulf region around Iran now, with huge reserves of military power that can be called in from elsewhere.
( And by the way, this Democrat/Leftist/anti-Trump canard, that we are exhausting our missiles and other military hardware, was never argued by you when Joe Biden was giving all our missiles, planes and ammunition to Ukraine during the 4 years of Biden's presidency, when it TRULY WAS endangering U.S. national security. )


South Korea has become a far-Left nation, and an imploding nation, that takes U.S. military protection and U.S. trade deficits for granted, and gives nothing in return.
Trump (as with the NATO European nations) is using military and economic strength to negotiate South Korea's cooperation. Whereas in your America-hating brain, you think giving things to South Korea as they take an anti-American stance will somehow make them respect us and be a reliable ally, IT WON'T.
This is the same Democrat-talking-points false argument you gave (parroting liberal media talking points) about how Trump was allegedly destroying NATO when Trump threatened not to honor U.S defense of NATO in Europe, if European nations didn't pay their share of defense (not paid for decades by European nations) , but... they eventually began paying, and some paying in more than double their annual obligations now. That they would NOT have been paying, if Obama, Hillary, Biden, or Kamala were president. FACT. Likewise under Bush Sr, George W. or McCain presidencies.

And you, like the liberal media, are just a kneejerk reflex , that attacks and mocks anything that Trump and his administration does. Even after the facts later prove you were dead wrong. I don't agree with everything Trump says or does, but he has a very high ratio of success, and there is no denying the miracles Trump has accomplished in his barely 18 months as president, as of July 20th.

Trump brought illegal immigration (and drug trafficking) to a screeching immediate halt in just his first 6 weeks as president in 2025.
Trump has overseen flawless military operations multiple times in the last 18 months, in Venezuela, and in Iran.
Trump made us oil-independent for the first time in 71 year in his first term, that was undermined by Biden and the Democrat-Bolsheviks, and now has done it a second time.

Trump has brought about the highest military enlistment in 50 years, to the point that they now have to decline recruits, which means our military can select the brightest and the best.
Trump has inspired global confidence, to the point that the wealthiest nations and companies are investing over 19 TRILLION into building factories and infrastructure in the U.S., whereas under the entire 4 years of Biden there was barely 1 trillion in investment. This means a vast increase in jobs, factories, research and development, and resulting taxable federal income on that growth, over the years to come.
And countless oher smaller accomplishments, in barely 18 months.


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They are not investing that much and you'd know it if you didn't focus on Trump friendly sources. That includes artificial inflation of numbers, non binding pledges, and other shenanigans that sound great but deliver little. Fuck the fuck all the fucking way off with that fucking shit, fucker.

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Originally Posted by iggy
They are not investing that much and you'd know it if you didn't focus on Trump friendly sources. That includes artificial inflation of numbers, non binding pledges, and other shenanigans that sound great but deliver little. Fuck the fuck all the fucking way off with that fucking shit, fucker.


More Iggy gibberish that doesn't even make lucid sense.

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The clusterfuck continues...


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Originally Posted by Wonder Boy
Originally Posted by iggy
They are not investing that much and you'd know it if you didn't focus on Trump friendly sources. That includes artificial inflation of numbers, non binding pledges, and other shenanigans that sound great but deliver little. Fuck the fuck all the fucking way off with that fucking shit, fucker.


More Iggy gibberish that doesn't even make lucid sense.
The touted 19 trillion is bull crap and ultimately won't be happening. Even accounting for the 65 billion in Venezuelan oil bring legitimate, it will not be happening any time soon and will have no real impact on gas prices because it is sludge oil that would require too much processing for gasoline. All very simple facts that get lost in the MAGA narrative you depend on for survival.

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But, but...Orange Senile Pedo told us that Iran was totally defeated and stuff like 38 times!11!

Written back in June, the number has increased since then...

https://www.cnn.com/2026/06/09/politics/times-trump-iran-deal-close

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It’s been more than two months since President Donald Trump announced a ceasefire with Iran, saying at the time that the two sides were close to a deal.

Trump said on social media on April 7 that they were “very far along” but needed two weeks for “the Agreement to be finalized and consummated.” He concluded by saying that “it is an Honor to have this Longterm problem close to resolution.”

There was no resolution, of course. But Trump has nonetheless spent the two months since then continuing to suggest a deal was right around the corner. A lot.

Including the period before the ceasefire, he’s done it at least 38 times. That’s the number of times he’s said directly — in social media posts, public appearances and phone calls with the media — that a deal was nigh or claimed Iran was desperate to cut one.

There’s no indication that’s any more true today than it was back on April 7. But Trump keeps saying it, either because he’s delusional, trying to calm the financial markets or thinking he can will it into existence.

But it’s clearly not a claim people should take seriously anymore.


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It's been pointed out that in 6 months of "war" with Iran, it amounts to 57 days of actual combat, and a majority of that 6 months has been peace negotiations and cease-fires, that Iran breaks every day while the U.S. often holds back.


It's a fact that Iran would have acquired nuclear weapons, if not for Trump beginning his war. And that's after TWO previous U.S. bombing attacks on Iran's nuclear development bases even before the war, where Iran could have abandoned its nuclear ambitions. Iran has been continuously at war with the U.S. for 47 years, Trump is just bringing it to an end.
And if it takes a few months to do so, that is still far better than the Iranian nuclear armed alternative.

6 months, particularly when the U.S. military in most of that time has not even been engaged in combat, is not that long.

And I paid $3.73 per gallon when I filled my gas tank a week ago. That's still a lot less than I paid in Dec 2024 when Joe Biden was still president.
No Democrat/liberal-media outrage for FOUR WHOLE YEARS while Biden and the Democrats were skyrocketing the cost of living during that 4 years. Now all of a sudden the liberal media rants about a "cost of living crisis".

https://gasprices.aaa.com/?state=FL

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You link a site that says highest Diesel price in Florida was because of this "conflict" of choice with Iran. Thanks for proving the tax this "conflict" is on citizens. Further, the link only says gas was 4.89 in 2022. During a similar "conflict" and the world awakening from COVID. It was around 3 dollars in December of 2024, you lying stupid douche. This, again, is why no one takes you seriously.

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Originally Posted by iggy
You link a site that says highest Diesel price in Florida was because of this "conflict" of choice with Iran. Thanks for proving the tax this "conflict" is on citizens. Further, the link only says gas was 4.89 in 2022. During a similar "conflict" and the world awakening from COVID. It was around 3 dollars in December of 2024, you lying stupid douche. This, again, is why no one takes you seriously.



More of your pathological insults.
And what is your stupid obsession with the word "conflict"? The "conflict" in 2022 (and still) is Russia invading Ukraine.
And for that matter, what is your 15-year weird obsession with ME ?

The average price for gas was higher during Biden's 4 years than it has been under Trump.
https://www.finder.com/economics/gas-prices

It is A FACT that gas nationwide reached its highest peak in recent years in June 2022 under Joe Biden. It is A FACT that the previous peak was under George W. Bush's presidency around 2005-2006, if I recall because hurricane Katrina knocked out gas refining facilities in the Gulf for several months, and also mid east wars on Israel, and Israel's retaliation.

Both Obama and Biden presidencies each DELIBERATELY spiked the price of gas, to in their own words (Obama: ) "necessarily skyrocket energy prices" and (Biden: ) "Declare war on fossil fuel" in a scheme to deliberately make gas unaffordable and force people to abandon gas powered vehicles, deliberately pricing gas too high, to force them to either switch to electric vehicles, or be forced to use public transportation.
And likewise, to force energy infrastructure to switch to wind and solar. Exactly what is making energy prices skyrocket in California, and in Germany, Poland and other nations of Europe. Angela Merkel had Germany go "green", and close their nuclear power plants and become dependent on Russian oil and natural gas for their energy. Then Russia invaded Ukraine in 2022. When European nations aided Ukraine, Russia retaliated by cutting off their oil and gas supply, and because Germany no longer has nuclear plants they can bring back online, energy prices in Germany doubled.
EXACTLY what Trump warned the German government (in his U.N. speech) would happen.

Diesel fuel is higher now because of war between Russia and Ukraine, where in the last 2 months both have focused drone strikes on the other's oil refining factories, causing a spike in the global price of oil, and especially, of diesel.

Two weeks ago, it was reported that Ukraine had knocked 43% of Russia's gas refining facilities offline.
43 percent !
And more massive strikes since then.
In the last few days, Trump negotiated an "energy cease-fire" between Russia and Ukraine, to end the drone strikes that are intolerably rising the cost of oil and gas worldwide, even way higher in European countries than it is here in the U.S.
And then as soon as Russia and Ukraine agreed to it, Russia immediately broke it and launched another massive strike on Ukrainian oil facilities.

And you go with the fake narrative that Trump attacking Iran was "a war of choice". No, it wasn't.

Because if Iran were permitted to have nuclear weapons, to either actually use them, or to blackmail its OPEC neighbors and the West with those weapons, gas would PERMANENTLY go a lot higher than $4.20 or 5 dollars a gallon.
This is why no one takes you seriously.
Because you are so obsessed with insulting me and irrationally raging on Trump, you selectively ignore FACTS of what happens if Iran gets nukes. Just so you can rage on and make a fake narrative that Trump is doing the wrong thing, when in fact he is selflessly doing the right thing regardless of political considerations, not just for the U.S., but for the entire world.

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You'd have been one of those Germans that killed themselves for fear of a world without Nazism in 1945. Feel free to follow their lead should Democrats win the midterms.

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Originally Posted by iggy
You'd have been one of those Germans that killed themselves for fear of a world without Nazism in 1945. Feel free to follow their lead should Democrats win the midterms.

Yet another time where you wish me to die or be killed.
You really are a deeply malicious and sick person.

Democrat Leftism is the closest comparison to Nazism: using cancel-culture, intimidation and violence to silence all political opposition. Calling other people Nazis... as THEY (including you) behave like Nazis.


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