Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Page 7 of 12 1 2 5 6 7 8 9 11 12
Joined: Sep 2001
Posts: 25,063
Likes: 31
brutally Kamphausened
15000+ posts
Offline
brutally Kamphausened
15000+ posts
Joined: Sep 2001
Posts: 25,063
Likes: 31
 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
Since it appears the Russia/Trump thing isn't going away probably past time for a thread dedicated to it. The latest news is that Trump tried to influence a FBI investigation. How do we feel about that?


Roughly a year later, it has been revealed that:

1) Rosenstein wrote a report that called for James Comey to be fired to restore public and internal confidence in the FBI. Trump fired Comey on Rosenstein's recommendation not out of any corruption, or for Trump to hide any dealings he had with the Russians.

2) Comey leaked confidential FBI information through a college professor friend that set up the circumstances to call for a special investigation. And Deep State brethren Rosenstein (again at the center) was the one who appointed Meuller as special investigator. Who appointed 9 attorneys who were all huge donors to the DNC, Obama and Hillary, and therefore clearly not neutral investigators.

3) Andrew McCabe (and wife whose campaign was funded $700,000 by Terry MacAuliffe, a Hillary operative), Bruce Ohr (whose wife worked for Fusion GPS and gave McCabe Russian information from Fusion GPS), the 9 lawyers on the Meuller commission, including Jeannie Rhee who previously worked for the Clinton Foundation suppressing/obstructing FOIA requests for Clinton Foundation donation records. Top FBI investigators Peter Strzok and Lisa Page who exchanged messages about how much they loathe Trump, how much Trump needed to be stopped, and how they needed to put in place an "insurance plan" and "secret society" to either prevent Trump from being elected, or make sure Trump was crippled politically and thus prevented from acting as president. Loretta Lynch who met Bill Clinton on an airplane secretly, days before Loretta Lynch exonerated Hillary of criminal charges. Comey usurped his authority to similarly exonerate Hillary, something he had no authority as FBI director to do. Comey and other FBI officials also gave amnesty to Huma Abedin and Cheryl Mills, in exchange for nothing. AND authorized the destruction of evidence that would have convicted them and Hillary.
>>>ALL<<<< of these manifest corruption at the highest level, and what amounts to a "Deep State" political coup to remove president Trump, by whatever corrupt means available. ALL these DOJ and FBI should have recused themselves for their lack of impartiality, ALL should face criminal charges for not doing so, and at the very least be removed from their jobs.

3) The FISA request that began this whole "Russian collusion" false narrative was based entirely on a "Russia dossier" that was known by Comey, Rosenstein, McCabe and other higher-ups at the DOJ and FBI to be fraudulent and unreliable, AND YET THEY PUSHED IT ANYWAY on a FISA judge for a surveillance request, to do illegal surveillance on Carter Page, General Flynn and others in the Trump campaign. And post election, STILL did FISA surveillance on the incoming Trump administration.
It was done as opposition research to share confidential Trump campaign information with the Hillary campaign, and to manufacture a fake case against Trump officials. In Flynn's case, to threaten his son with imprisonment, and despite that there was no Russia collusion on his part or Trump's, to manufacture perjury charges against Flynn to leverage Flynn to support the false narrative of "Russian collusion" on Trump's part. TO THIS DAY, A YEAR LATER, THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO PROOF THAT TRUMP OR HIS CAMPAIGN/INCOMING ADMINISTRATION DID ANYTHING WRONG.
But ironically, there is clear proof that Hillary Clinton, the Obama administration, and FBI/DOJ officials >>>>DID<<<< collude with the Russians through Christopher Steele/FusionGPS/an insulating law firm/the Hillary Clinton campaign. In nothing less than a coup of slander, based entirely on Steele's "Russia dossier". Which Deep State officials in DOJ and FBI falsely represented as legitimate, and falsely represented as verified by an independent 2nd source. THAT last one alone should throw out all the FISA surveillance as "fruit of the poisonous tree", and result in charges for the FBI and DOJ officials who pushed it for malicious prosecution based on false evidence.

How do "we" feel about THAT ?


Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 15,820
Likes: 41
Fair Play!
15000+ posts
OP Offline
Fair Play!
15000+ posts
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 15,820
Likes: 41
Right off the bat the first one is incorrect. Trump had already decided to fire Comey before getting Rosenstein's memo. I'll let you go ahead and check the rest of your post for other errors. Let me know when you're sure that it's all accurate.


Fair play!
Joined: Sep 2001
Posts: 25,063
Likes: 31
brutally Kamphausened
15000+ posts
Offline
brutally Kamphausened
15000+ posts
Joined: Sep 2001
Posts: 25,063
Likes: 31
The fact is, Rosenstein (the current deputy director of the FBI!) wrote a report that the only way to restore public and internal confidence in the FBI was to fire Comey. I don't doubt that Comey's irresponsible acts made Trump consider the possibility of firing Comey before that. SO THE HELL WHAT?!? It was certainly not an unreasonable consideration. But it was on the recommendation of DOJ deputy director Rosenstein that Trump did so, for the good of the organization, not as part of any cover-up.

If you have a case for inaccuracy of that, feel free to make it.

Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 15,820
Likes: 41
Fair Play!
15000+ posts
OP Offline
Fair Play!
15000+ posts
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 15,820
Likes: 41
Trump was already going to fire Comey before Rosenstein wrote his report so saying it was the basis for Trump firing Comey is false.
Rosenstein knew Trump was going to fire Comey before writing his memo about the FBI director


Fair play!
Joined: Sep 2001
Posts: 25,063
Likes: 31
brutally Kamphausened
15000+ posts
Offline
brutally Kamphausened
15000+ posts
Joined: Sep 2001
Posts: 25,063
Likes: 31
 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
Trump was already going to fire Comey before Rosenstein wrote his report so saying it was the basis for Trump firing Comey is false.
Rosenstein knew Trump was going to fire Comey before writing his memo about the FBI director


But he didn't, M E M.
BUT HE DIDN'T !
You're trying to blur the real corruption by bringing up this manufactured non-issue.
Trump later eventually made the decision to fire Comey, as he was advised to in a written report on the specific recommendation of deputy DOJ director Rosenstein.

Regardless, the REAL issue is the conspiracy that involves Lorretta Lynch, James Comey, Andrew McCabe, Rod Rosenstein, Peter Strzok, Lisa Page and others, to suppress and destroy the case against Hillary Clinton to allow her to be president. And to simultaneously authorize FISA surveillance under false evidence on Trump officials, to leak that masked information to destroy Trump's candidacy (before the Nov 2016 election), and Plan B to smear and cripple his administration (after the election).
That is undeniably where every piece of evidence leads, despite your best efforts to change the subject.

Lou Dobbs from last night explores that well:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPVGvVERz5s

As does Sean Hannity from last night:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTppP1ZakDc

In his opening commentary, Hannity shows a dozen names of FBI and DOJ officials who have been fired, resigned, or transferred off the case (Strzok and Page) in the last two months, for their OBVIOUS corruption and lack of impartiality regarding the DOJ/FBI's Hillary and Trump/Russia investigations.

PERIOD.


  • from Do Racists have lower IQ's...

    Liberals who bemoan discrimination, intolerance, restraint of Constitutional freedoms, and promotion of hatred toward various abberant minorities, have absolutely no problem with discriminating against, being intolerant of, restricting Constitutional freedoms of, and directing hate-filled scapegoat rhetoric against conservatives.

    EXACTLY what they accuse Republicans/conservatives of doing, is EXACTLY what liberals/Democrats do themselves, to those who oppose their beliefs.
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 15,820
Likes: 41
Fair Play!
15000+ posts
OP Offline
Fair Play!
15000+ posts
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 15,820
Likes: 41
As I pointed out Rosenstein knew Trump had made the decision to fire Comey when he wrote the memo. Furthermore what was actually in Rosenstein's memo were items that Trump had publicly cheered Comey on. Plus he made at least one comment about his firing Comey and his hope on how it would affect the Russia investigation. I think he's screwed if he actually has to testify under oath. And you can stick with your very biased and partisan pro-trump sources for news but it's pretty embarrassing what gets left out and how little is required to make accusations of the other side.


Fair play!
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 15,820
Likes: 41
Fair Play!
15000+ posts
OP Offline
Fair Play!
15000+ posts
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 15,820
Likes: 41
Russian syndicate duped Trump supporters into organizing Florida rallies, feds say

Kind of interesting given our discussion about the McCarthy era. And there's intelligence that they will be active for the 2018 election.


Fair play!
Joined: Sep 2001
Posts: 25,063
Likes: 31
brutally Kamphausened
15000+ posts
Offline
brutally Kamphausened
15000+ posts
Joined: Sep 2001
Posts: 25,063
Likes: 31

I don't see that it's proven Trump was going to fire Comey before Rosenstein's report. EVERYTHING reported about Trump is "anonymous sources", which when it is anonymous that much of the time, means it's fake news that doesn't really have any sources.

And assuming conversely it was true, how reputable is Rosenstein if he would just abandon all integrity and cater his report to whatever Trump was demanding? Leaving Rosenstein no more reputable than the liberal hate-Trump/destroy-Trump mainstream media.

Finally, the indictment of Russians yesterday is widely seen as a vindication of Trump.
1) the Russian conspiracy began in 2014, way before Trump ever announced as a candidate. Before even Trump himself knew he would run!
2) With these 13 indictments of Russian individuals and groups, there is still not the slightest evidence, after roughly 18 months of investigation and a Special Investigation (Meuller), NOT THE SLIGHTEST evidence that that gives even any whiff of Trump being guilty of anything.

and
3) Still waiting for an investigation of the DNC and the Hillary Clinton campaign, where all the evidence, illegal FISA warrants, FusionGPS, Christopher Steele, Uranium One, illegal private server and Clinton Foundation millions in foreign donations, actually leads.


  • from Do Racists have lower IQ's...

    Liberals who bemoan discrimination, intolerance, restraint of Constitutional freedoms, and promotion of hatred toward various abberant minorities, have absolutely no problem with discriminating against, being intolerant of, restricting Constitutional freedoms of, and directing hate-filled scapegoat rhetoric against conservatives.

    EXACTLY what they accuse Republicans/conservatives of doing, is EXACTLY what liberals/Democrats do themselves, to those who oppose their beliefs.
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 15,820
Likes: 41
Fair Play!
15000+ posts
OP Offline
Fair Play!
15000+ posts
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 15,820
Likes: 41
The article I linked to is sourced with named sources as it concerns Rosenstein's testimony on him knowing that Trump had already decided to fire Comey prior to his memo. Trump says a lot of things that are provably untrue btw. He knows this latest move by Mueller doesn't vindicate him at all just like he knew it wasn't all a hoax like he claimed previously. Putin chose well.


Fair play!
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 15,820
Likes: 41
Fair Play!
15000+ posts
OP Offline
Fair Play!
15000+ posts
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 15,820
Likes: 41
Trump's reaction since the indictments has been to attack everyone except Russia.


Fair play!
Joined: Sep 2001
Posts: 25,063
Likes: 31
brutally Kamphausened
15000+ posts
Offline
brutally Kamphausened
15000+ posts
Joined: Sep 2001
Posts: 25,063
Likes: 31
 Originally Posted By: M E M
The article I linked to is sourced with named sources as it concerns Rosenstein's testimony on him knowing that Trump had already decided to fire Comey prior to his memo. Trump says a lot of things that are provably untrue btw. He knows this latest move by Mueller doesn't vindicate him at all just like he knew it wasn't all a hoax like he claimed previously. Putin chose well.


Putin's agent was Hillary Clinton, who procured for Putin 20% of the U.S. uranium supply.

Hillary Clinton, who with an unsecured private server, left her State Department private communication with the Pentagon and White House officials at the highest level ripe for the hacking by Russians and the Chinese EVERY SINGLE DAY she was secretary of state.

Not to mention her Saul Alinsky-indoctrinated radical leftist ideology, where she has been hollowing out holes from within of American weakness in every position she has held in federal government for 30 years.



From the L.A. Times article you linked on Rosenstein's alleged knowing in advance:

 Quote:


The No. 2 official at the Justice Department told senators Thursday that he knew President Trump wanted to fire James B. Comey before he wrote a letter criticizing the FBI director.

In an unusual closed-door briefing with the full Senate, Deputy Atty. Gen. Rod Rosenstein offered a few new details about a frenetic nine days that have thrown the White House into crisis, beginning with Comey’s firing and climaxing in Rosenstein’s decision to appoint former FBI Director Robert S. Mueller III as a special counsel. In that role, Mueller will head an investigation into Russian meddling in the election and possible collusion with figures in the Trump campaign.

At Trump's request, Rosenstein last week wrote a letter that laid out the case for Comey's firing, focused on what Rosenstein said was Comey's improper handling of the 2016 Hillary Clinton email investigation. Initially, the White House claimed Trump fired Comey based on Rosenstein's recommendation, though Trump later said he planned on removing the FBI director regardless.

Though some have suggested Rosenstein was used by the White House as a pawn to justify Comey's firing, senators said Rosenstein told them Thursday he was aware of Trump's plans.
“He knew that Comey was going to be removed prior to him writing his memo,” Sen. Claire McCaskill (D-Mo.) told reporters after emerging from the session.

“He knew the day before,” said Sen. Richard J. Durbin of Illinois, the No. 2 Democrat in the Senate. “On May 8 he learned.”

Rosenstein's visit to Capitol Hill was originally planned to discuss Comey's firing and the future of the Russia investigation, but the meeting was quickly dominated by Rosenstein's surprise decision Wednesday evening to appoint Mueller.
According to Durbin, Rosenstein said he named Mueller to "make certain the American people thought this would be handled fairly and justly."

Rosenstein was careful not to address some other recent revelations in the fast-moving controversy, senators said, including reports that Comey wrote his own memo detailing a private conversation he says he had with Trump when the president asked him to end an investigation into Michael Flynn, just after Flynn had been pushed out as national security advisor for lying about his conversations with the Russian ambassador.

Trump on Thursday denied he asked Comey to drop the Flynn investigation.

Both Republicans and Democrats were clearly relieved by the appointment of Mueller, a 12-year FBI director with a solid reputation for probity and thoroughness. But the naming of a special counsel has also raised questions about how to proceed with a number of Russia-related investigations already underway in Congress.

“The shock to the body is this is now considered a criminal investigation,” said Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.), who had opposed naming a special counsel. “And Congress' ability to conduct an investigation of all things Russia is severely limited. I think a lot of members wanted the special counsel to be appointed, but don't understand you're pretty well knocked out of the game.”

Graham said some potential witnesses might refuse to cooperate out of concern for self-incrimination. Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman Richard M. Burr (R-N.C.) indicated Thursday that Flynn may not willingly meet the committee’s subpoena request for information, though Democrats vowed to push the issue.

“I am going to go to the mat — go to the mat — to make sure that this subpoena with Mr. Flynn is carried out,” said Democratic Sen. Ron Wyden of Oregon.
Comey, senators believed, would be a more willing witness who would work with Mueller as well as the oversight committees on Capitol Hill.

"At some point I believe he has a responsibility he will honor to come before the Judiciary Committee and tell his story to the American people," said Sen. Richard Blumenthal (D-Conn.). "He owes the American people his story, and from all I can see he has no reluctance to tell it."
Democrats and some Republicans insisted that the congressional panels would not take a back seat to Mueller's work.

"After this meeting it is clear as ever that the Intelligence Committee in the Senate should continue its work and it should continue full throttle ahead," said Senate Minority Leader Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.). "And the need for former Director Comey to come testify soon in public is as great as ever."

Democrats also are pressing for an inquiry into Trump’s statements that may have revealed secret intelligence to two top Russian officials. Three Democratic senators on Thursday asked Director of National Intelligence Dan Coats to conduct a “damage assessment” on whether Trump may have compromised sensitive intelligence methods.

Before Mueller was named, Rosenstein, a career federal prosecutor, was overseeing the inquiry because Atty. Gen. Jeff Sessions recused himself over his failure to disclose in his Senate confirmation hearing that he'd had meetings with Russia's ambassador to Washington.

But Rosenstein came under intense pressure from Democratic lawmakers to step aside and name an independent prosecutor after he became embroiled in the political fight over why Comey was fired on May 9, a battle that raised questions of whether Rosenstein was sufficiently independent of the White House.

Under the special counsel law, Mueller will enjoy what Rosenstein called "a degree of independence from the normal chain of command" in the Justice Department. But Rosenstein, as acting attorney general for purposes of the Russia investigation, also maintains some control.
Mueller will decide the scope of his investigation, including whether it will take charge of a federal grand jury in Virginia that has subpoenaed documents involving Flynn.

Under the law, Mueller will have authority to choose his own staff and within 60 days request his own budget, which Rosenstein approves.

Rosenstein will not directly supervise Mueller's work but can request that he explain any steps he's taking and may overrule them as "inappropriate or unwarranted." If he does, though, the law requires him to notify the judiciary committees in Congress. And the law says Rosenstein should "give great weight to the views of the special counsel."

joseph.tanfani@latimes.com


First of all, the thing is from close to a year ago, from May 18, 2017, long before Meuller had even assembled his partisan commission of DNC/Obama/Hillary donor lawyers. And one of those Special Investigation lawyers was previously employed by the Clinton Foundation, litigating obstruction to the FOIA requests of Clinton records. Hey, no partisanship whatsoever!

If there was any substance whatsoever to this hit piece, it would have surfaced a long time ago. The "sources" you cite are ambiguous partisan remarks by the likes of Sen Dick Durbin, Sen. Claire McCaskill, and Sen. Richard Blumenthal, three of the primary Democrat talking pieces hacking out partisan remarks to the media at every turn. They say Rosenstein "knew" days ahead, or one day ahead, or whatever, but offer no specifics to back it up, and their speculation of when Rosenstein knew is not consistent even within this article.


And further, details of Flynn's forced plea over manufactured perjury came out since this was written.
As has the manifest partisanship of the witch-hunting Meuller investigation's 9 DNC-donor lawyers. Some of whose DNC donations exceed my annual disposable income.

And again, aside from the diversionary smoke that Rosenstein "knew" in advance, what does this change?
NOTHING.
Assuming Rosenstein knew in advance, if Rosenstein thought Trump was wrong, he could have defied him in his report. The worst Trump could do was retire or fire him, and Rosenstein was hardly a man without means. He could retire with a substantial nest egg, or have taken another position in the public or private sector. So again: If Rosenstein knew in advance, so the hell what?
Rosenstein had the same options whether he knew or not. Whether Rosenstein knew or not, he could have agreed with Trump or dissented from Trump. And if he thought Trump wanted Comey fired and agreed just to go along with Trump, that speaks badly for Rosenstein's character not for Trump's.
Way before Trump ever wanted to fire James Comey, there were certainly plenty of other Senators and public officials who have publicly stated Comey wasn't doing his job and should be fired, >>>>WAY<<<< before Trump ever got around to firing him, WITH ROSENSTEIN'S WRITTEN ADVISEMENT TO DO PRECISELY THAT.

So again, whether Rosenstein did or didn't know, I don't see where that amounts to the slightest speck of difference in how things went down.

Joined: Sep 2001
Posts: 25,063
Likes: 31
brutally Kamphausened
15000+ posts
Offline
brutally Kamphausened
15000+ posts
Joined: Sep 2001
Posts: 25,063
Likes: 31
 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
Trump's reaction since the indictments has been to attack everyone except Russia.



Gee, what a shock you would say that. That is, of course, the DNC/MediaMatters /RAW/Center For American Progress/MSNBC/CNN partisan talking points of the day.

Never Mind that Trump:

1) is strengthening our military,
2) has defeated ISIS and taken back 97% of their territory in Iraq and Syria, and has killed 100 Russian-backed fighters there in an attack on a U.S. base there in the last week
3) that Trump is now providing defense aid to Ukraine so they can defend themselves from Russian aggression.
4) that under Trump, the U.S. has become the largest energy exporter in the world, which weakens Russia's energy stranglehold on Ukraine, Poland, Germany and the rest of Europe.

See, the absolute shit lying talking points your side fronts only work on that percentage of the public that knows nothing about what is actually occurring in the world. To anyone who knows, they are obvious and infuriating lies.

Nice try, though.


  • from Do Racists have lower IQ's...

    Liberals who bemoan discrimination, intolerance, restraint of Constitutional freedoms, and promotion of hatred toward various abberant minorities, have absolutely no problem with discriminating against, being intolerant of, restricting Constitutional freedoms of, and directing hate-filled scapegoat rhetoric against conservatives.

    EXACTLY what they accuse Republicans/conservatives of doing, is EXACTLY what liberals/Democrats do themselves, to those who oppose their beliefs.
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 15,820
Likes: 41
Fair Play!
15000+ posts
OP Offline
Fair Play!
15000+ posts
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 15,820
Likes: 41
More than a nice try WB. It just doesn't matter to you but it should. Trump attacked everyone but Russia. Why? You also failed to mention he won't do the Russia sanctions that a republican controlled congress passed. I don't agree about it not mattering what Rosenstein knew when he wrote the memo. It obviously matters in trying to determine what the real reason was for Trump firing Comey. And Flynn was not forced to plead guilty. Imagine if I tried saying that about a democrat. You're making partisan accusations and than downplaying somebody like Flynn who is actually guilty of what he's said he's guilty of.


Fair play!
Joined: Sep 2001
Posts: 25,063
Likes: 31
brutally Kamphausened
15000+ posts
Offline
brutally Kamphausened
15000+ posts
Joined: Sep 2001
Posts: 25,063
Likes: 31
You're being ridiculous, M E M. I just listed all the things Trump did that Russia doesn't like. It's like saying Trump was a cop who arrested a guy for murder, armed robbery and violent assault, and his opponents making a big deal that he didn't add tresspassing to the list of charges.

I've given a laundry list of treasonous offenses Hillary Clinton is guilty of that are >>>>FAR<<<< more serious than the Trump allegations, with far more evidence to back them up, but because the investigators and key people at DOJ and FBI are rabidly anti-Trump, and are "Deep State" Hillary loyalists, they are giving Hillary, Cheryl Mills, Huma Abedin and others a total free pass. The FBI and DOJ have given them immunity for their clear crimes, in exchange for nothing. The FBI and DOJ have authorized the destruction of computer files and other evidence against them. They are not even required to testify under oath!

Rosenstein is one of the Deep State criminals trying to dislodge Trump with a twisting of the law that amounts to a political coup. And Rosenstein, Meuller, McCabe (and wife), Comey, along with Peter Strzok, Lisa Page, Bruce Ohr (and wife) and several others, should all be up on charges themselves, not manufacturing a case against Trump.
For anyone who is not a partisan Democrat looking for any twisting of the law to leverage out Trump, it is OBVIOUS the unprecedented conflict-of-interest of all the DOJ/FBI players manufacturing the case against Trump.

The Stalinist/KGB style of this case, where the evidence is prepared to cater to the foregone conclusions, and the ignoring of where the real evidence ACTUALLY leads, to Hillary Clinton/FusionGPS/UraniumOne/The Clinton Foundation, should terrify you, but for no reason other than Democrat partisanship, you are cheering on the weaponization of federal agencies against the Republican party, and against their presidential candidate who WON A LANDSLIDE VICTORY AGAINST HILLARY CLINTON IN A FREE AND FAIR ELECTION.

I shudder to think what this four years would be like if Hillary Clinton had won in Nov 2016. Even corrupt power abusers like Peter Strzok and Lisa Page were afraid of not looking loyal enough to Hillary. Even after they'd illegally moved heaven and earth already to corrupt the system in Frau Hitlery's favor!

There is no defending what these people in key positions in the FBI and DOJ have done.

And that it fits the same pattern used through the IRS in 2012 to attack Tea Party leaders and large Republican donors is no coincidence. You defend and lyingly ignore the most dangerous abuses of the Democrats, in the DNC's suppression of all political opposition.

And this follows the same deceitful pattern back over 10 years:

2004: Dan Rather's attempted October Surprise on George W. Bush that got Rather fired. But the truth was exposed, NOT because of the liberal media, but because Drudge and other internet journalists exposed the real evidence and put pressure on the liberal media to tell the truth.
2006: The Rep Mark Foley story was known of and held back by liberal journalists for a year until right before the 2006 election, and in a perfectly orchestrated propaganda event, the liberal media and DNC leadership successfully tarred the entire GOP as a "culture of corruption", that allowed the DNC to win majorities in both the House and Senate.
2008: The year the liberal media abandoned all pretense of objective coverage, and began its love-fest for Barack Obama, unquestionably helping Obama win, suppressing any coverage of Obama's well-known radicalism, flying cover for Obama, while simultaneously giving overwhelmingly negative coverage to John McCain, with the media blaming the entire financial crisis solely on Republicans. Again, a successful propaganda war in favor of the Democrats.
2012: What I just detailed above, about Obama using the IRS to suppress Republican grassroots political organization and donors, that allowed Obama to narrowly win a 51%-48% victory. With many key voting districts suspiciously voting 100% OR MORE for Obama, with many people rising from the dead to vote Democrat, or voting twice.
2016: What we're seeing now, where the DOJ and FBI leadership, in clear communication with Obama (see Strzok and Page texts) got illegal FISA warrants to do surveillance on Trump campaign officials, unmasked some illegally right before the election to hurt Trump politically, and continued to do surveillance on Trump staffers EVEN AFTER the election. And are still trying to depose Trump, despite the level of DOJ/FBI corruption exposed at this point.

That is a clear pattern of deceit and subversive coordination between Democrats and FBI, DOJ, IRS and the liberal media, using every deceit and abuse of federal power available to them. With the press acting, not as an external watchdog and guardian against abuse of power, but as a participant and PR wing of the DNC Politburo.

Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 15,820
Likes: 41
Fair Play!
15000+ posts
OP Offline
Fair Play!
15000+ posts
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 15,820
Likes: 41
Accusations are not facts WB. In your mind do you really see Rosenstein as a criminal? Or Flynn being "forced" to plead guilty?


Fair play!
Joined: Sep 2001
Posts: 25,063
Likes: 31
brutally Kamphausened
15000+ posts
Offline
brutally Kamphausened
15000+ posts
Joined: Sep 2001
Posts: 25,063
Likes: 31
 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
Accusations are not facts WB. In your mind do you really see Rosenstein as a criminal? Or Flynn being "forced" to plead guilty?


At least 80% of what I said is absolute undeniable fact, and the little bit of speculation I made are dots easily connected.


I do think Flynn was forced. He had to mortgage his house to pay for his defense and had exhausted his resources. And he was further threatened with his son going to jail. He took a plea to put an end to it.

Please tell me in detail what precisely YOU think he did wrong. The sole purpose of charging him was to leverage him to testify against Trump. It was a shakedown.


Rosenstein knew the Steele-manufactured "Russia dossier" was, in Comey's words "unreliable and salacious", and yet he used it to get a FISA judge to sign off on surveillance of Trump officials. I'm not a lawyer, G-man could more easily tell you the specific criminal offenses. Let's start with perjury, malicious prosecution, and falsifying evidence. Those charges would also apply to others up the chain, including James Comey, Loretta Lynch, her short-term successor Sally Yates, Bruce Ohr, Peter Strzok, and Lisa Page. Among other clearly evidenced crimes and fellow conspirators.

Those crimes possibly go all the way up the chain to Barack Obama, who Page and Strzok said wanted "everything" regarding the Russia dossier. Even people as high up as Rosenstein and Comey don't make FISA surveillance requests on Trump officials without authorization higher up. And there isn't many others between their high positions and Obama himself.


  • from Do Racists have lower IQ's...

    Liberals who bemoan discrimination, intolerance, restraint of Constitutional freedoms, and promotion of hatred toward various abberant minorities, have absolutely no problem with discriminating against, being intolerant of, restricting Constitutional freedoms of, and directing hate-filled scapegoat rhetoric against conservatives.

    EXACTLY what they accuse Republicans/conservatives of doing, is EXACTLY what liberals/Democrats do themselves, to those who oppose their beliefs.
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 15,820
Likes: 41
Fair Play!
15000+ posts
OP Offline
Fair Play!
15000+ posts
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 15,820
Likes: 41
No you made a bunch of accusations. It means nothing to me that you claim a percentage of it as fact. Flynn is where he is because he lied to the FBI. You can explain to me why that makes him a victim to you. I understand why partisans on your side are trying to make him a victim but do you actually have something resembling a principled argument that makes sense at the same time "you connect the dots"


Fair play!
Joined: Sep 2001
Posts: 25,063
Likes: 31
brutally Kamphausened
15000+ posts
Offline
brutally Kamphausened
15000+ posts
Joined: Sep 2001
Posts: 25,063
Likes: 31

Flynn lied in deposition about things that he was legally allowed to do, but did not want to make public. It was a perjury trap. Again, Chris Farrell of Judicial Watch said: "Give me two hours of deposition and I can make anyone perjure themself."

I don't like or understand why Flynn did other things, like working with foreign governments without clearing it (as a former general and intelligence official) with the Defense Department as he was required to. Or the plot to kidnap Erdewan's political opponent and extradite him back to Turkey. Or his conflict of interest in his contract work with Turkey. But those are things that should have gotten him fired by Trump, they are not things where Trump was intertwined with Flynn's bad acts. The perjury trap was to leverage Flynn to testify against Trump, possibly falsely just so Flynn could save himself. The kind of dishonest prosecution Weissman is known for.

Joined: Sep 2001
Posts: 25,063
Likes: 31
brutally Kamphausened
15000+ posts
Offline
brutally Kamphausened
15000+ posts
Joined: Sep 2001
Posts: 25,063
Likes: 31



LT. COL. RALPH PETERS QUITS FOX NEWS BECAUSE IT 'HAS BECOME A PROPAGANDA MACHINE'


I posted this here because his stated views specifically pointed at Fox News reporting and opinion on the Meuller investigation, and largely >>>proven<<< ethical and criminal action by federal figures like Loretta Lynch, acting DOJ head Sally Yates, James Comey, Andrew McCabe (and wife), Peter Strzok, Lisa Page, Bruce Ohr (and wife), Flynn Case judge and FISA secret court judge Rudolf Contreras, and blatantly partisan "independent" special investigation head Robert Meuller who has stacked his investigation with 8 Democrat-donor lawyers, many of whom have even worked for Democrats including the Clinton Foundation they are allegedly investigating! And prosecutor Andrew Weissman, who has a history of unethical and malicious prosecution, of cases where he has imprisoned innocent men, brought down the accounting corporation Arthur Anderson and destroyed thousands of jobs needlessly, that a reversal on appeal could not undo the damage of.

Col. Peters says he is "ashamed" of how Fox is attacking the partisanship of these FBI and DOJ investigators. But I see what is "alleged" about these government officials as very proven, largely in self-incriminating e-mails, campaign donations and other partisan and criminal activity.

I've always respected Peters in the past, but lose respect for him here, as he does not specifically name ONE example of unwarranted attack on public the Federal officials in question. These officials have disgraced themselves, Fox News is only the messenger reporting the known facts. Facts most other networks, in their liberal partisanship, selectively omit and ignore.

Fox has nothing to be ashamed of. These are the facts, and they are right to call the above named officials to account for their actions. A number of them have been fired or demoted, >>>not<<< by partisans in the Trump administration, but by new FBI director Wray, by facts reported from Inspector General Horowitz that got McCabe fired, and by the internal affairs division of the FBI itself. Again: NOT partisan, NOT false accusations, absolutely proven, in total contradiction of what Col. Peters alleges.

It appears Peters has joined the other side. And has also jumped aboard the liberals' push for a complete assault weapons ban.

Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 15,820
Likes: 41
Fair Play!
15000+ posts
OP Offline
Fair Play!
15000+ posts
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 15,820
Likes: 41


Fair play!
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 15,820
Likes: 41
Fair Play!
15000+ posts
OP Offline
Fair Play!
15000+ posts
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 15,820
Likes: 41
Looks like we have a list of questions for Spanky...
Report: Mueller team gives Trump lawyers a list of questions


Fair play!
Joined: Sep 2001
Posts: 25,063
Likes: 31
brutally Kamphausened
15000+ posts
Offline
brutally Kamphausened
15000+ posts
Joined: Sep 2001
Posts: 25,063
Likes: 31
Trump got it right in his response:

 Quote:
So disgraceful that the questions concerning the Russian Witch Hunt were “leaked” to the media. No questions on Collusion. Oh, I see...you have a made up, phony crime, Collusion, that never existed, and an investigation begun with illegally leaked classified information. Nice!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) May 1, 2018


It's become increasingly clear that Meuller's probe is not about the truth, it's about laying a perjury trap to take down Trump on any technicality of wrongdoing the Meuller investigation can possibly manufacture.

I don't think Trump should testify at all.

Meanwhile here's Hillarry Clinton, Cheryl Mills and Huma Abedin, who destroyed 33,000 e-mails, wiped the hard-drives on all their computers repeatedly with bleach-bit, and smashed 4 cel phones with a sledge hammer to hide evidence. After these records were already subpoenaed!
These three were NEVER EVEN ASKED to testify under oath.
These three were suspiciously GIVEN IMMUNITY FROM PROSECUTION in exchange for... nothing!
Mountains of evidence, not investigated.

As compared to the highly aggressive and arguably unlawful way the Meuller investigators are trying to convict Trump, on any half-baked charge they can manufacture.
An outrageously clear double-standard. Comey and McCabe are already being investigated on the charges they previously manufactured for Trump officials.

Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 15,820
Likes: 41
Fair Play!
15000+ posts
OP Offline
Fair Play!
15000+ posts
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 15,820
Likes: 41
If Hillary can do 9 hours under oath against partisan republicans I'm sure Spanky can answer a couple of questions from a fellow republican. It's only perjury if he lies and I don't see any questions about his sex life.

Lock him up \:\)


Fair play!
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 15,820
Likes: 41
Fair Play!
15000+ posts
OP Offline
Fair Play!
15000+ posts
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 15,820
Likes: 41


Fair play!
Joined: Sep 2001
Posts: 25,063
Likes: 31
brutally Kamphausened
15000+ posts
Offline
brutally Kamphausened
15000+ posts
Joined: Sep 2001
Posts: 25,063
Likes: 31
Hillary Clinton and her aides were NEVER subject to the scrutiny or legal jeopardy that they are trying to hold Trump to, despite that there is a fraction of the evidence against Trump that exists for a case against Clinton. Hillary and her aides were never subject to testifying under oath. Their testimony was not even recorded.

There is no crime Trump can even be accused of, so the Meuller investigators are trying to MANUFACTURE a crime to accuse him of, in the form of a perjury trap.

As Hannity, among others, detailed last night.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPe9gYSnrTA

Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 15,820
Likes: 41
Fair Play!
15000+ posts
OP Offline
Fair Play!
15000+ posts
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 15,820
Likes: 41
Than you have nothing to worry about, lol.

In the real world however obstruction, perjury and conspiracy are actually prosecutable crimes.


Fair play!
Joined: Sep 2001
Posts: 25,063
Likes: 31
brutally Kamphausened
15000+ posts
Offline
brutally Kamphausened
15000+ posts
Joined: Sep 2001
Posts: 25,063
Likes: 31
All the obstruction, perjury, and deliberate falsification of evidence is by Loretta Lynch, Rod Rosenstein, James Comey, Andrew McCabe, Lisa Page, Peter Strzok, Bruce Ohr, Rudolf Contreras, James Clapper, John Brennan, and other Deep State conspirators in the DOJ and FBI, who deliberately falsified evidence to destroy Trump and his administration. While they simultaneously obstructed prosecution and destroyed evidence to exonerate Hillary Clinton and her minions.

I increasingly think if Hillary had won the election, these same people would have done a Stalinist purge of Republican leaders and campaign donors.
When will you admit how truly evil your side is, M E M?

1) Hillary and her inner circle rigged 2 televised CNN debates.
2) As internal e-mails revealed (by WikiLeaks) Hillary and the DNC leadership rigged the Democrat primary.
3) Hillary Clinton's illegal email server that compromised national security and all her State Department e-mail communication to the Russians and Chinese.
4) The Clinton Foundation exchanging hundreds of millions in foreign donations in a pay-to-play selling of State Department access during Hillary's 4 years running the State Department.
5) The Clintons taking further millions, and huge speaking fees, to slip through a sale of 20% of the U.S. uranium supply to the Russians, in the Uranium One deal.
6) Hillary Clinton, Cheryl Mills and Huma Abedin destroying 33,000 emails, using bleachbit to wipe computer hard-drives of their computers, and smashing four cel phones with a sledgehammer, to hide evidence of their crimes, AFTER all these records were subpoenaed by Congress and FBI/DOJ investigators.

Why won't you admit to these crimes? The evidence is obvious, the crime of destroying much of this evidence is obvious. You can't deny it.

As compared to: Roughly two years of intense investigation of Trump, and all they can do at this point is try to manufacture charges against Trump.

And why can't you admit that even the basis for the FISA warrants against Trump officials, and the basis for appointing Mueller as special investigator, is all of it , ALL, based on false evidence. Even if Trump were actually guilty of anything (and he's not) the investigation should be ended on the basis of the corruption of how the prosecution was pushed along at multiple points by false evidence. Manafort, Flynn, Gates and all involved should be exonerated, since all the evidence against them is fruit of the poisoned tree. Or in the case of Michael Flynn, a manufactured perjury trap.




  • from Do Racists have lower IQ's...

    Liberals who bemoan discrimination, intolerance, restraint of Constitutional freedoms, and promotion of hatred toward various abberant minorities, have absolutely no problem with discriminating against, being intolerant of, restricting Constitutional freedoms of, and directing hate-filled scapegoat rhetoric against conservatives.

    EXACTLY what they accuse Republicans/conservatives of doing, is EXACTLY what liberals/Democrats do themselves, to those who oppose their beliefs.
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 15,820
Likes: 41
Fair Play!
15000+ posts
OP Offline
Fair Play!
15000+ posts
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 15,820
Likes: 41
So you absolutely know Trump is not guilty and Hillary is. That seem like a principled stance to you?


Fair play!
Joined: Sep 2001
Posts: 25,063
Likes: 31
brutally Kamphausened
15000+ posts
Offline
brutally Kamphausened
15000+ posts
Joined: Sep 2001
Posts: 25,063
Likes: 31



By all the evidence presented, Hillary Clinton ACTUALLY DID collaborate treasonously with he Russians in all the ways I just posted above.

Whereas Trump and members of his campaign/administration were set up to LOOK like they were collaborating, but didn't. As self-incriminatingly stated by several Deep State players, such as Peter Strzok and Lisa Page (setting up an "insurance policy" in the event Trump were elected). And the deceitful actions of Comey, McCabe, Clapper, Brennan and all the others, where even the circumstances to open FISA warrants and a Rosenstein-appointed Meuller special investigation against Trump, were all, ALL OF THEM, borne in deceit and falsified evidence. Or in the case of Veselnetskaya, Loretta Lynch signed off on a very odd immigrant Visa that allowed her to even be in the country to offer a meeting (a baited trap) for Jared Kushner. Where he met with her for 20 minutes, saw she was a deceiver, and never even did business with her.

All the facts, all the lies, lead right back to Hillary Clinton and the DNC, and her agents in the DOJ and FBI, and Clapper (DNI), and Brennan (CIA). THAT's clearly where the guilt is, not with Trump.


  • from Do Racists have lower IQ's...

    Liberals who bemoan discrimination, intolerance, restraint of Constitutional freedoms, and promotion of hatred toward various abberant minorities, have absolutely no problem with discriminating against, being intolerant of, restricting Constitutional freedoms of, and directing hate-filled scapegoat rhetoric against conservatives.

    EXACTLY what they accuse Republicans/conservatives of doing, is EXACTLY what liberals/Democrats do themselves, to those who oppose their beliefs.
Joined: Sep 2001
Posts: 25,063
Likes: 31
brutally Kamphausened
15000+ posts
Offline
brutally Kamphausened
15000+ posts
Joined: Sep 2001
Posts: 25,063
Likes: 31
JUDICIAL WATCH HEAD TOM FITTON: NEW DETAILS OF JAMES COMEY'S DOCUMENT LEAK ARE FURTHER EVIDENCE OF FBI CORRUPTION

 Quote:
Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton said new details about James Comey's leaking of memos is "further evidence of FBI corruption" during Comey's tenure as FBI director.

Comey sent the memos detailing his private conversations with President Trump to a friend, who then leaked the contents of one memo to the New York Times.

It's now been discovered that the friend, Columbia law professor Daniel Richman, worked as an FBI "special government employee" for at least 19 months – during which time he reported directly to Comey and repeatedly defended the FBI director in media interviews amid the Hillary Clinton email probe.

On "Outnumbered Overtime," Fitton said this goes to show that the FBI is as political an organization as any other government bureaucracy.


"They have press operations and they try to defend themselves in the media," Fitton said, arguing that Richman had an obligation to disclose his relationship with the bureau, instead of only being identified as a law professor or policy adviser to Comey in interviews.

Fitton also noted that during Comey's Senate Intelligence Committee testimony in June 2017, after his firing, he did not volunteer that Richman was an FBI employee.

Fitton said that Richman's status as an FBI employee was an important material fact that people would have wanted to know when evaluating Comey's decision to use him as an intermediary to leak sensitive information.

"You can bet that given Richman's role at the FBI and [he and Comey's] close relationship that this wasn't the first time that leaks like this occurred," Fitton said, calling for a "credible investigation" into Comey's leaking.

In an interview with Fox News last week, Comey said the contents of the memos were not classified and that his actions did not constitute a "leak."



And in answer to that last Comey deceptive remark:



Daniel Richman is the Columbia University professor that Comey leaked FBI documents to, which Richman in turn leaked to the press. That Comey leaked (as he testified and was videotaped before Congress in hearings) with the stated clandestine intent to trigger a special investigation, that Meuller was appointed to head. And it did.

Another interesting detail is that Meuller submitted himself for an appointment and was rejected by the Trump administration, in a meeting that Rosenstein sat right beside Meuller. And right after the rejection, Rosenstein appointed Meuller (who had an axe to grind, for being rejected by Trump) to lead the special investigation of Trump!

Rosenstein likewise has multiple conflicts of interest, and should have recused himself a long time ago.
1) Rosenstein submitted the written report that recommended Comey's firing, that prompted Trump to fire Comey.
2) In the investigation of Comey's firing, Rosenstein simultaneously oversees the special investigation (Meuller's boss), and at the same time is a witness to the events leading to Comey's firing.
3) Rosenstein's wife was a political candidate who received over $500,000 from Terry McAuliffe, a Hillary Clinton aide, and has a clear influence and conflict of interest in an investigation related to the Clintons.

And that's just a small slice of the conflict of interest all the way up and down the Deep State investigative chain.


  • from Do Racists have lower IQ's...

    Liberals who bemoan discrimination, intolerance, restraint of Constitutional freedoms, and promotion of hatred toward various abberant minorities, have absolutely no problem with discriminating against, being intolerant of, restricting Constitutional freedoms of, and directing hate-filled scapegoat rhetoric against conservatives.

    EXACTLY what they accuse Republicans/conservatives of doing, is EXACTLY what liberals/Democrats do themselves, to those who oppose their beliefs.
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 15,820
Likes: 41
Fair Play!
15000+ posts
OP Offline
Fair Play!
15000+ posts
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 15,820
Likes: 41
I think Ghouliani added another reason Spanky fired Comey today but the following is from the President himself....
“[Rosenstein] made a recommendation, but regardless of recommendation I was going to fire Comey, knowing there was no good time to do it,” Trump said. “And, in fact, when I decided to just do it, I said to myself, I said, ‘You know, this Russia thing with Trump and Russia is a made-up story. It’s an excuse by the Democrats for having lost an election that they should have won.’”


Fair play!
Joined: Sep 2001
Posts: 25,063
Likes: 31
brutally Kamphausened
15000+ posts
Offline
brutally Kamphausened
15000+ posts
Joined: Sep 2001
Posts: 25,063
Likes: 31
 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
I think Ghouliani added another reason Spanky fired Comey today but the following is from the President himself....
“[Rosenstein] made a recommendation, but regardless of recommendation I was going to fire Comey, knowing there was no good time to do it,” Trump said. “And, in fact, when I decided to just do it, I said to myself, I said, ‘You know, this Russia thing with Trump and Russia is a made-up story. It’s an excuse by the Democrats for having lost an election that they should have won.’”




But ultimately, Rosenstein with his authority then as DOJ assistant attorney general, recommended that Trump fire James Comey as the only way to restore public and internal trust in the FBI. Which Trump did.
Since then, two internal investigations 1) the FBI's Inspector General (Michael Horowitz), and 2) the FBI's internal affairs investigators (i.e., the Office of Professional Responsibility) both found in McCabe, Comey and others precisely the "lack of candor" (lying, falsification of evidence) and corruption that Trump fired Comey for.

If you were honest, you would admit that vindicates Trump's firing of Comey.


  • from Do Racists have lower IQ's...

    Liberals who bemoan discrimination, intolerance, restraint of Constitutional freedoms, and promotion of hatred toward various abberant minorities, have absolutely no problem with discriminating against, being intolerant of, restricting Constitutional freedoms of, and directing hate-filled scapegoat rhetoric against conservatives.

    EXACTLY what they accuse Republicans/conservatives of doing, is EXACTLY what liberals/Democrats do themselves, to those who oppose their beliefs.
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 15,820
Likes: 41
Fair Play!
15000+ posts
OP Offline
Fair Play!
15000+ posts
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 15,820
Likes: 41
He said he was going to fire him anyway. There are now a couple of versions of why he fired Comey. That hardly vindicates Spanky.


Fair play!
Joined: Sep 2001
Posts: 25,063
Likes: 31
brutally Kamphausened
15000+ posts
Offline
brutally Kamphausened
15000+ posts
Joined: Sep 2001
Posts: 25,063
Likes: 31
 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
He said he was going to fire him anyway. There are now a couple of versions of why he fired Comey. That hardly vindicates Spanky.


There were certainly many legitimate reasons Trump had to fire Comey. And many Democrats, including Schumer, Durbin and Pelosi, said on camera that he should be fired.

As I said above, TWO internal investigations in the FBI, 1) the Inspector General, and 2) the Office of Professional Integrity (i.e., internal affairs) have made the recommendation that Andrew McCabe be fired, and that certainly included Comey's antics involving McCabe. From what I saw reported by Sara Carter tonight, the IG's full report will be released soon, and its release will require James Comey to have legal counsel to keep him out of jail.
Over and over, you ignore that virtually everyone in DOJ/FBI, including internal investigators, as well as in the House and Senate, of both parties, called for Comey's firing. And out of pure slander you ignore that and act like Trump did something wrong. He had more than legitimate reasons to fire Comey, and virtually everyone in Washington has said so, prior to the firing.


  • from Do Racists have lower IQ's...

    Liberals who bemoan discrimination, intolerance, restraint of Constitutional freedoms, and promotion of hatred toward various abberant minorities, have absolutely no problem with discriminating against, being intolerant of, restricting Constitutional freedoms of, and directing hate-filled scapegoat rhetoric against conservatives.

    EXACTLY what they accuse Republicans/conservatives of doing, is EXACTLY what liberals/Democrats do themselves, to those who oppose their beliefs.
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 15,820
Likes: 41
Fair Play!
15000+ posts
OP Offline
Fair Play!
15000+ posts
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 15,820
Likes: 41
Act like Trump did something wrong? Lol, I think Spanky is certainly acting like he did. I'm waiting to see what Mueller eventually presents. The whole thing with Rudy the last couple of days doesn't bode well for your guy. I guess Giuliani may have actually waived his right to attorney client privilege with Trump with the interviews he did. What do you figure happened there? I think it was clear he was doing Spanky's bidding with what he was revealing but now today there was backtracking.


Fair play!
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 15,820
Likes: 41
Fair Play!
15000+ posts
OP Offline
Fair Play!
15000+ posts
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 15,820
Likes: 41
Giuliani: Trump Might Refuse Mueller Subpoenas Or Take The Fifth

I would actually be surprised if Spanky doesn't take the fifth if subpoenaed because at this point it's hard to see how he could truthfully answer questions.


Fair play!
Joined: Sep 2001
Posts: 25,063
Likes: 31
brutally Kamphausened
15000+ posts
Offline
brutally Kamphausened
15000+ posts
Joined: Sep 2001
Posts: 25,063
Likes: 31
In other words, Trump doesn't want to walk into a perjury trap. Where Meuller's special investigation lynch mob of Democrat donors try to manufacture a crime to impeach him.

Friday was a very good day for Trump.

1) a federal judge, T.S. Ellis, in a Virginia court regarding the Paul Manafort case, blasted the Meuller investigation for their attempt to manufacture a crime where there is none. Something revealed is that in 2007, the Justice Department had investigated Manafort, and closed the case because they didn't think it warranted prosecution. ONLY when they felt it could be manipulated to make Manafort "sing" on Trump, or even "compose" false charges against Trump, was the case re-opened. There are multiple people including Manafort, Gates, Flynn, and Roger Stone, who have had to mortgage their homes and have been bankrupted by these manufactured charges. Some have even asked for public donations for their defense.
2) Two of the Deep State conspirators in the FBI, Lisa Page and James Baker, resigned on Friday. They'd already been demoted and re-assigned, pending internal investigation by the FBI's Inspector General, and by the FBI's Office of Professional Integrity (i.e., FBI's internal affairs), precisely for their unethical anti-Trump/pro-Hillary bias and actions. Word is, the Inspector General's full report will be released in the next week or so, and that Comey, McCabe, Strzok, Page, Ohr and Baker will all require lawyers when it is released, and the two who resigned are choosing to do so quietly now on their terms, rather than wait to be fired and lose benefits.

Lou Dobbs, Sean Hannity, Tucker Carlson, and Laura Ingraham all had outstanding coverage of these events on Friday.
Hannity: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sf-9G1dPgp0
Lou Dobbs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSltcrwQ9-E
Tucker Carlson: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2akA_geFCds
Laura Ingraham: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmEG24USWm8


Which --of course!-- CNN and the liberal media did their damnedest to pretend didn't happen, and selectively omitted coverage of, so they could devote more time to Stormy Daniels, what members of Trump's administration gossiped about Trump and are likely to resign, as was heard from --of course!-- unnamed sources.

Meanwhile, Comey, McCabe and the rest are greasing their asses for what they know is coming. Even if the mainstream media isn't reporting it.


Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 15,820
Likes: 41
Fair Play!
15000+ posts
OP Offline
Fair Play!
15000+ posts
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 15,820
Likes: 41
Lol, the judge didn't say any crime was manufactured. He blasted Mueller basically for doing his job and using very accepted and legal means to do so. He might feel the President is above the law but that isn't what he's ruling on though. Trump and toadies are running a political defense for his base but everybody can see that the piece of shit is a liar.


Fair play!
Joined: Sep 2001
Posts: 25,063
Likes: 31
brutally Kamphausened
15000+ posts
Offline
brutally Kamphausened
15000+ posts
Joined: Sep 2001
Posts: 25,063
Likes: 31

No, you've completely twisted it around into Democrat/MediaMatters spin.

The judge blasted Mueller for hubris, the abuse of power to manufacture a crime where there is none, just because they can. There are multiple people who have done ABSOLUTELY NOTHING wrong, and yet have been destroyed and bankrupted by accusations of crimes they clearly didn't commit.

It would be some minor satisfaction and payback if James Comey, Andrew McCabe, Andrew Weissman, Lisa Page, Peter Strzok, Bruce Ohr, James Baker and the like were similarly bankrupted by legal defense for crimes they ACTUALLY COMMITTED.

A list I hope later includes Hillary Clinton, Bill Clinton, Huma Abedin, Cheryl Mills, and Jennifer Palmieri. And Obama officials who lied about not knowing about Hillary Clinton's private server, and even used fake e-mail names to communicate on Hillary's e-mail server (i.e., clear consciousness of guilt).

And I'd love to see the case re-opened against Lois Lerner and Koskinin and others at the IRS who weaponized that agency against Republican donors, Tea Party members and religious conservative groups.


Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 15,820
Likes: 41
Fair Play!
15000+ posts
OP Offline
Fair Play!
15000+ posts
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 15,820
Likes: 41
I didn't see the judge say anything about the allegation being manufactured. If you have a quote from him that backs that up please do share.


Fair play!
Page 7 of 12 1 2 5 6 7 8 9 11 12

Link Copied to Clipboard
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.5