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Epstein arrested

This guy deserves to actually face justice.

With Jeffrey Epstein locked up these are nervous times for friends and enablers

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Epstein

Not sure what part of that you're referring to. He got a ridiculously light sentence the first time around.

Trump's lawyers claiming something really doesn't mean anything. As with Bill Clinton, Trump has a history with the pedo that can't be undone. Trump even commented on Epstein's liking them young while having a business and social relationship with him. I have no pretenses that any of this matters to Trump's base but that isn't enough to win a presidential election even with Russia's help. There won't be a Clinton on the ticket for '20 either.

Court Documents: Trump Banned Epstein From Mar-A-Lago For Alleged Assault On Underage Girl




As reported by One America News, Trump was also called on and prepared to give deposition testimony against Epstein in 2009.

Epstein was a huge Democrat donor.
Just like Harvey Weinstein.

But of course, the Democrat leadership and Hollywood elites learned about it the same time we all did. Except they've been joking about it on camera and on broadcast television for 15 years.

I think it says it all that you have to run to fake memes and ignore the long relationship Trump had with Epstein. We know he knew about Epstein because he talked about it. It only became an issue when Epstein was legally in trouble for it. Oh and good riddance to Trump's labor secretary that worked the original deal for Epstein.

I think it's hilarious that you strain to turn this into an attack on Trump, when it is Trump who had severed his ties with Epstein 15 years ago after one encounter with him.


Whereas you and other Democrats ignore that it was Bill Clinton who is in the flight log books as having taken 26 trips to Epstein's "pedophile island", 5 of which Clinton had his secret service escort stay behind, so there would be no witnesses to Clinton doing God knows what.

As I cited above, Trump also had Epstein banned from entering Mar A Lago for assaulting an under-age girl.

But yeah, Trump is the bad guy here.
Only in your convoluted revisionist fantasies.

Just Trump and Epstein and 28 girls



Lots more Trump and Epstein stories out there as well as photos of them together. Trump thought he was a terrific guy after all.

That Vanity Fair piece you linked says absolutely nothing new.
First off, Vanity Fair cites its close association with the New York Times, a partisan frequently discredited paper that is deeply committed to slandering Trump.
Second, the ads accompanying the hit piece make clear Vanity Fair's commitment as well to discrediting Trump.

They cite Trump's "other female accusers" but fail to make clear that many of those stories have likewise been discredited, are the clear result of women who are committed partisan Democrats making accusations just to hurt Trump politically, and other women who only made accusations after they didn't get what they wanted in business deals with Trump, as clear vindictive payback. Again, many discredited and proven false. And as discussed before, many are not even sexual allegations, such as "He just looked at me creepy".

And finally, the 'facts' in the article are deliberately misleading. The part about secretary Acosta getting a sweetheart deal for Jeffrey Epstein is untrue. What Acosta arranged was to assure Epstein did jail time rather than an acqquittal, and that Epstein would be registered for the rest of his life as a sex offender. It was others after Acosta who changed Epstein's sentence so that he could be released 12 hours a day and work. NOT Acosta.

You completely evaded that Bill Clinton is listed with 26 flights to Epstein's "pedophile island", and that on five of those trips Bill Clinton left behind his secret service escort, so that no one was there to observe Clinton's activities.

There is absolutely nothing like that regarding Trump with Epstein. And it is clear that Trump severed all ties with Epstein 15 years ago, and barred Epstein from Mar A Lago, for precisely the sexual assaault on a minor that you are desperately trying to smear Trump with, despite no evidence.

Jeffrey Epstein found dead in Manhattan jail cell; multiple reports claim death by suicide


He was found at 7:30 AM, not even 4 hours ago.

Rather suspect that he already attempted to commit suicide not even a week ago, and was on a suicide watch that was supposed to prevent this. Unless someone wanted it to happen...

If anyone was curious where Epstein's "Pedophile Island" is.

I'm not sure "pedophile" is the correct word for Epstein's indulgences. His tastes seemed to run to very young teenage girls, not children. But I guess that's covered by the broad term.

The day after we find out from unsealed flight logs that Trump did fly on Epstein's plane besides usingTrump's Mar lar go resort to get underage sex saves yesterday Epstein apparently kills himself. No fake meme required unlike WB

Barr announces DOJ inspector general investigation into Epstein death



Wow.
Trump is so guilty and nervous, his attorney general launched a federal investigation
into Epstein's death, and Trump prevented it.

Oh WAIT!
Trump didn't prevent it! What will the M E M conspiracy theorists of the Democrat/Left say now?!?

This happened with Trump and Barr in charge. Somebody like Epstein who tried committing suicide prior to this should have been watched closer. But Epstein was also Trump's buddy and recruited underage sex slaves on Trump's property. I know you like your Clinton conspiracy stories but given Trump's history with Epstein there's going to be speculation and conspiracy theories there too.

That's such utter horsesshit.

Were Obama and Biden held personally responsible for not preventing every random shooter and scandal that occurred in their 8 years?
Sandy Hook shooting?
Fort Hood?
The shooting of Dallas police officers (whose deaths were more evidently caused by Obama's anti-police and Black Lives Matter-endorsing rhetoric)?
Lois Lerner and the IRS harassing and auditing Republican groups and large donors, so Obama could narrowly win re-election in 2012?

Obama let two U.S. Marines, in two separate incidents, innocent of any crime be falsely imprisoned in Mexico, and threatened, each for about a year, both near death when they were finally released. Obama intervened on the part of thug criminals like Michael Brown and Trayvon Martin, stoked the racial hatred of groups like Black Lives Matter and Al Sharpton. Obama caused the violent assaults and deaths of Black Lives Matter and with his rhetoric caused black mobs in the streets nationwide. And based on far less evidence, none, you accuse Trump and Barr of being responsible for Epstein's death?!?
Be serious.
There is zero evidence for the crazy shit you allege.

Another I can think of is a friend of the Tsarnaev brothers who was killed while detained for questioning after the Boston Marathon bombing. No one ever said Obama and Holder were responsible when that shooting in custody occurred. I linked an article about it back in the topic related to the Boston bombing. Holder I don't recall ever even launching an investigation.


In contrast, Barr was clearly outraged, and it was a surprise to everyone that Barr ordered a U.S. attorney investigation of Epstein's death less than 4 hours after his body was found. Barr saw an injustice, and immediateely demanded an investigation. Far from a cover-up.

So far as I've read (even in your Media Matters-variety far-reaching smears) Trump saw Epstein a few times socially at parties in New York, and maybe travelled with Epstein on a trip once. My impression is the one time Trump socialized separately with Epstein, Trump saw what Epstein was about, and immediately distanced himself.
And 15 years later, when Epstein assaulted an underage girl at Mar A Lago, Trump banned him from the club.
As opposed to, say, Bill Clinton, who travelled to Pedophile Island 26 times, and 4 times abandoned his Secret Service detail to cloak his misadventures on Pedophile Island.

It's not a smear when it's documented and true. And Trump's friendship with Epstein is to well documented. Trump's claims about parting ways with Epstein because he assaulted one of Trump's underage girls appear to originate with Trump telling a former campaign aid that was the reason. So right before running for President Trump tells this story. That wouldn't mean anything to you if it was a democrat so why should it mean anything to me that a liar and sleaze ball like Trump is now telling this story? And don't bother trying to minimize Trump's relationship with Epstein for me. Trump was a guest at Epstein's home, he flew on Epstein's private plane and Trump in his own words talked about his friend's taste for younger women.

Btw even though Epstein is dead I hope his victims can continue to pursue and get justice. Those that aided and protected Epstein need to be exposed and answer for what they did. Somebody like Acosta who made the plea agreement was acting in the interest for those people.

It should be noted that while Barr says he's appalled and vowing to investigate this, Barr is the one who has oversight over the Bureau of Prisons. He is one of those that are ultimately responsible for what he alleges to be disturbed over.

AGAIN: You held a different standard than you did when a suspect related to the Tsarnaev brothers was killed in custody.

Obama's then-attorney general Eric Holder never ordered an investigation of that. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Marathon_bombing#Ibragim_Todashev

In contrast, William Barr in the case of Epstein's death has ordered an IMMEDIATE investigation.

You can't blame Barr for the incompetence and corruption of a system he inherited, you can only expect him to clean it up. Barr was appointed Feb 14, 2019, so this occurred not even 6 months into his time as Attorney General. The Democrats have assailed him with a torrent of allegations and indictments since he took office, that take up an enormous anount of his time. When was he supposed to reform the federal prison system?

I didn't see anything in that paragraph that had the slightest whiff of a "documented" cited fact. But it sure does reek of irrational hatred for Trump.
It is a cited fact that Trump banned Epstein from his Mar A Lago club because Epstein assaulted an under-age girl. It's clear Trump doesn't run the club himself and others brought this to his attention, so there are certainly witnesses to Trump banning him from the club and familiar with the circumstances.

And AGAIN:
Trump took one trip with Epstein, saw what he was about and distanced himself. Prior to that, he seems to have only known Epstein in social settings at parties, and commented on his general impresion of Epstein.
As contrasted with Bill Clinton, who took 26 trips to Pedophile Island, and on four of those trips left behind his secret service detail to conceal his activities. On an island known and named for Pedophelia! Some others listed by the under-age girls as men they were forced to have sex with were Bill Richardson, Prince Andrew, and Alan Dershowitz.

Despite your best efforts to dodge the truth, those are the facts.

The known facts about Jeffrey Epstein's relationships with both Bill Clinton and Donald Trump, and other prominent figures:




A lot of that is perception and not fact. Epstein's brother said Trump flew with Jeffrey Epstein "many times" but only witnessed one flight.
Bill Clinton flew on 26 flights with Epstein, 5 of which he left behind Secret Service, but allegedly none to Pedophile Island. But they could have said they were flying elsewhere, and in truth gone to Pedophile Island.
Whether fact or just subjective preception, these are the statements of those observing Esptein and his inner circle.

Just for you, M E M:

Sorry, I couldn't resist this one.

Trump's re-Tweeted post, originally from a comedian I don't know.



A twist of it I wasn't aware of is that despite the greater allegations against Bill Clinton, Twitter was manipulating its feed to make a conspiracy of #TrumpBodyCount trend higher.

And that Trump re-tweeted this arguably to counter that.

As reported in the mainstream media, it's portrayed as if Trump just unprovoked retweeted this to attack the Clintons.

"Pedos of the Caribbean"!

Love the scarfed Podesta. and the gap-toothed Hillary.
Harr me mateys! HARRRRR!!

Pretty lame attempt to rationalize Trump's tweet. Trump partied with Epstein, gushed about Epstein and gave the guy who got Epstein a cushy to good to be true deal for enslaving teenage girls into sex a job in his administration. Not shocking to see him try to throw out some Clinton conspiracy stories to distract his base.

Man, this has become one of those Michael Jackson-death type stories, where there are just ever more lurid details that come out every day.

That in his cell when he dies:

* His cell-mate was moved out just the night before Epstein "committed suicide". (To isolate him with no witnesses, perhaps?)
* The security cameras were suspiciously turned off.
* There was a shortage of guards, and two of the people guarding Epstein were not even security guards, but people whose official jobs were other functions in the prison.
* Epstein's guards were officially told to look in on Epstein regularly (if I recall hourly) but they didn't, and was therefore found dead.
* Epstein's guards "fell asleep" during the time they were supposed to be guarding Epstein and he was killed.
* Epstein had just attempted suicide 18 days before he died. And yet he was taken off suicide watch just days before he mysteriously died in his cell.
* Post-autopsy, the hyoid bones in his throat were broken, which in over 90% of cases that occurs, is due to strangulation, not hanging.
* The impact on Epstein's throat to break the hyoid bones would require a high impact on his throat from a gallows-like hanging, but there is nothing in his cell to explain this.
* Epstein should have had paper sheets, not cloth, to further prevent him from hanging or injuring himself.

That's not even a complete list of unexplained suspicious circumstances.

and

* Epstein had two days before his death updated his will, in his cell, with his lawyer.

Add to that, it was revealed that years before when Epstein was on work release (that he should never have had) he had sex with two women. One of whom was 17 when he met her. No police supervision.
So while he was serving jail time for sex with minors, he was having sex with at least one other minor.

And the revelation that AFTER Epstein was sentenced in 2008, he had some kind of dealings with Bill Gates, advising Gates on financial investment and charitable donations. And Gates flew at least once on Epstein's private plane to West Palm Beach.

There was another famous billionaire who was listed as executor of Epstein's will, who said he would not participate in his prescribed task to read the will and be executor of Epstein's estate.

In Epstein's sex-trafficking ring, yet more wealthy and famous people have been named. Several photos have surfaced of Prince Andrew with his arms around an under-age girl, and leaving Epstein's house (if I recall, his New York residence, he had residences there and West Palm Beach. And in Paris.)

So... there's a lot of people with motive to kill Epstein or arrange his "suicide". And there seem to be more secrets unveiled every day.
And no doubt more to come. Because of the embarassment of him dying in the nation's supposedly most secure federal prisons, Barr is having the DOJ conduct multiple investigations.



https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7gi3ew

Judge Jeanine, Saturday 8-17-2019, since she devoted her opening editorial and a good portion of her program to the case. Jeanine Pirro used to prosecute and judge decades of cases of sex trafficking and suicides. She points out that in maany years as a prosecutor other coroner reports she handled showed "suicide", and a year or two later she proved them to actually be murders.

Jeff Epstein, by the way, was a bundler and contributor to the Democrats for decades, to whom he gave over 90% of his political donations.

Those are the facts.

Trump: One known trip with Epstein on his plane, NOT to pedophile Island.

Clinton: 26 known trips with Epstein, 5 without his Secret Service detail, obviously to not make them witnesses to his activities.

And yet you strain to argue a case against Trump, when there is far more evidence of Epstein's extensive closeness with Bill Clinton.

Trump had Epstein removed and banned from Mar A Lago, specifically for assaulting a minor.

There was a period where Trump and Epstein were seen together often at parties. But the evidence is, Trump made one trip with Epstein, saw what Epstein was about, and distanced himself. There is a difference between knowing someone at parties, and really knowing them. Beyond one plane trip together, there is no evidence that Trump and Epstein were close, beyond superficial social gatherings and parties. Trump appears to only know Epstein by appearance and social reputation.

And then there's Bill Clinton...





and...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton_sexual_misconduct_allegations

...who long before the Epstein scandal, was well known for aggressive and reckless sexual liasons, a number with young women, and a number without their sexual consent.

Jeffrey Epstein's autopsy more consistent with homicidal strangulation than suicide, Dr. Michael Baden reveals





I was tempted to post this in G-man's News of the obvious topic.

• * Epstein just a few weeks prior to his death tried to commit suicide, and yet was taken off suicide watch, no supervision, right before his death.
  
  * Not one, but TWO guards just happened to be asleep when he committed suicide.
  
  * Breaking of hyoid bones in throat, consistent with strangulation rather than suicide.
  
  * Materials in his cell were insufficient to allow him to commit suicide, or the force necessary to break his hyoid bones or break his neck.
  
  * His cellmate was conveniently moved out just before his death, no witnesses.
  
  * The security cameras around his cell were conveniently not working, so again, no witnesses.
  
  * By the account of his attorney, the last person to see him, he was optimistic and making plans for the future.

So Dr. Baden's evaluation is just a highly qualified expert verifying what was already quite apparent.

Dr. Michael Baden, the autopsy expert who says that against the official coroner's report of Epstein committing suicide in federal prison, he cites the facts that Epstein was in fact murdered. For all the reasons listed above.

Baden is back in the news, as crime-scene photos were released today showing Epstein dead in his cell, and the implausible noose he allegedly used to hang himself. And really, since before I even began this topic, Epstein's pedophile network, Prince Andrew, and Epstein's suicide have never left the headlines for more than a few days.

There are actually at least two ways Epstein could have been murdered:

1) By enemies blackmailed by Epstein, who didn't want Epstein living to their secret possibly videotaped under-age liasons that Epstein could reveal if he lived. Obviously.

2) Less obviously, Epstein knowing he would spend the rest of his life in prison, could have arranged his own death, could have paid for those involved to look the other way, so he could either kill himself, or paid others to kill him since he didn't have the courage to kill himself.

All Epstein had to look forward to at this point was a few decades of getting ass-raped behind bars. Probably many would prefer suicide or the death penalty to that.

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Y'know, QAnon is back in the news as this 'dangerous right-wing conspiracy theory" that allegedly proves all right wingers who believe in it are whackos.
The controversy over Rep. Marjorie Taylor-Greene (D-GA) 's social media posts ascribing to QAnon's speculations of a worldwide satanic pedophile ring among the world's ruling elites has given the Democrat House majority the pretense to rip away her sitting on any House committees. (While, of course, still leaving dangerous bomb-throwers and antisemites and violence stokers like Democrats Ilhan Omar, Rashida Tlaib, Ayanna Pressley, Cori Bush and Ocasio-Cortez on THEIR committees.)

I don't know all the details, but Taylor-Greene has said that her comments were a few years in the past and not current. I don't ascribe to her beliefs, but I don't see them as crazy or dangerous, or beyond the realm of possibility. I don't get worked up about it, but I think it's clearly possible.

And particularly with the revelations of Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell' s pedophile ring catering to the world's elite, and this lady...


Anneke Lucas: I Was a Sex Slave to Europe's Elite at Age 6


...while I'm not a QAnon guy, I fail to see how it's dismissed as a crazy conspiracy. There seems to be some meat to it.

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Man...

How Elites Will Create a New Class of Slaves - Whitney Webb, interviewed by Glenn Beck.
On the FBI, CIA and other intelligence Deep State, originally created during World War II and the Cold War to control foreign governments, now turned inward to control the American people. And threads of it weaving through Jeffrey Epstein, Ghislaine Maxwell, and her father Robert Maxwell, a family with decades of authoritarian CIA and intelligence history.


Pretty self-explanatory.
Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell, are the tip of the iceberg, manifesting a secretive corrupt system. With decades-long ambitions to control the government and elites of Britain, the United States, and an even more sinister larger cabal, seeking to implement a global system, for authoritarian power and self-enrichment, at the expense of the citizens they were put in power to protect.

Did anyone else notice similarities between the Sam Bankman-Fried arrest... and the previous incarceration and "suicide" of Jeffrey Epstein?

In Bankman-Fried's case, he was about to give testimony, but before he could do so he was imprisoned and silenced, so he can't tell what he knows.
Bankman-Fried gave almost $40 million dollars to Democrat candidates (second only to George Soros), that allowed them to win elections by vastly out-spending Republican opponents. No one among Democrats wants him to talk about that. An unfortunate suicide wouldn't be a great surprise.

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Amazing how the Sam Bankman-Fried story (another huge donor to the Democrat-Bolshevik party) very suddenly disappeared from the headlines. Move along, nothing to see here...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Bankman-Fried

Despite that the collapse of crypto-currencies as an investment (the centerpiece of his investment company) no doubt just played a huge part in the massive Silicon Valley Bank collapse last week.
And collapse of Signature Bank in New York state.
And that said collapses expose roughly another 200 banks to great risk of collapse.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silicon_Valley_Bank

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bi...lley-bank-collapse-republican-ags-charge

https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/new-york-community-bank-agrees-purchase-failed-signature-bank

And Federal Reserve officials and woke Democrat-connected bank officials saw it happening for months, and just let it happen. Because the plan is to collapse the dollar and push us onto an electronic currency that the Democrat-Bolshevik party can use to eliminate privacy, and (like China, that the Democrat-Bolshevik Left admires and emulates) that the Democrats can use to shut off the bank accounts and livelihood of any dissenters who oppose their ideology. As was already demonstrated by Comrade Trudeau in Canada during the trucker's protests to Covid restrictions last year.
https://www.rkmbs.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1235817

Yep, nothing to see here, just the Democrat-orchestrated collapse of our constitutional republic....
Of which Jeffrey Epstein and Sam Bankman-Fried are just the visible symptoms of.

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There are probably thousands of men and women with some kind of tangential association with Jeffrey Epstein, from Bill Clinton to Donald Trump, to Prince Andrew, to many prominent Democrats as Epstein was a large fundraiser and participant in the Democrat party. To various billionaires and capains of industry.

One I ran across recently caught my attenion :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Seckel

Seckel being an intellectual and scientist of some notoriety, with decades of shady dealings of his own, unrelated to Epstein, mixed together with a lot of other science, philosophical, and parapsychology groups, and his own personal achievements.
And he is either the creator, or a participant in creating, the "Darwin" symbol used on cars (the secularist-left's answer to the "Jesus fish" used by Christians on their cars).

But Seckel interviewed Epstein as part of a science conference held on "Pedophile Island" with a number of other scientists, and Seckel posted the Epstein interview on his website.




Somehow (completely unrelated to Epstein), Seckel reminds me a bit of CHARIOTS OF THE GODS author Erich Von Daniken...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erich_von_D%C3%A4niken

... who, like many, I was fascinated with in the 1970s (even though, while Daniken's work was lively reading, I never quite fully accepted as true a lot of what Daniken said. And as it turns out, while maybe he still has a lot of recognition in the UFO science / pseudo-science community, he has unquestionably had some shady or even criminal episodes of fraud in his 50-year career.)

In addition to Von Daniken's books, there was a 17-page article about his work in MARVEL PREVIEW magazine 1, in 1975 :
https://viewcomiconline.com/marvel-preview-issue-1/

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Virginia Giuffre, Jeffrey Epstein and Prince Andrew accuser, dead at 41 by suicide
https://nypost.com/2025/04/25/us-ne...weeks-after-saying-she-had-days-to-live/
and
https://nypost.com/2025/04/26/world...inia-giuffre-wrote-she-was-not-suicidal/


Wow, the key witness in bringing about the Jeffrey Epstein conviction, who repeatedly said people wanted to take her out and silence her. And for years online posted that she would never commit suicide, that if she was ever found dead and made to look that way, it was definitely not suicide.

And that woman is found dead, of suicide.
Nope, nothing to see here, nothing at all...

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The circumstances of her "suicide" are unclear, what the alleged method of suicide was, or any explanation why.

She divorced an allegedly abusive husband of 22 years in January 2025. And he apparently got custody of her children (despite being a domestic abuser?) who she was separated from, and that in her posts her ex husband was "poisoning them against [her] ".
She was in a recent car accident with a bus March 27th, that allegedly she said online a doctor had told her the injuries sustained in the accident left her "days left to live. "
But the driver of the bus that hit her car said her injuries were not that serious, that a 70 year old lady was driving, and Giuffre was in the passenger seat and the driver "didn't even notice her", let alone see she had injuries. And a month after the accident she had not died... when she suddenly committed suicide?

Police were investigating, but did not appear to consider it a suspicious death.
And no cause of death, or the circumstances of who or when her body was found, were discussed. But the stories of her suicide appear to have been first reported 3 days ago, as of this writing.

All that is said is she was living in a $1.9 million dollar mansion in Perth, Australia, at the time of her death (presumably purchased from her $22 million settlement awarded from Prince Andrew, that she previously lived in with her husband and children), and she had 3 children who were very important to her. If she were dying from accident injuries, or if she were aggrieved by her divorce and the loss of her children, I would think that she would want to be with her children before she died.
But I guess this is still a new event and still being fully investigated.

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WHAT HAPPENED TO JEFFREY EPSTEIN'S 'PEDOPHILE ISLAND'?



Woods for the trees, maybe, but...
Jeffrey Epstein had a domed temple, and a statue of the Greek god Poseiden?

This article is from January 2024, and the guy who purchased the two Epstein islands plans to turn it into a resort hotel, slated to open sometime in 2025.




Here also is a brief youtube video discussing it, with photos of the two islands, and of the new real estate owner developing them.



And other videos, if this one disappears :
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=pedophile+island

So Bondi said she had the list sitting on her desk and now there is no list and Trump doesn’t want to talk about Epstein anymore.

Some rich people probably paid Trump ,or someone in the administration, to dissappear that list. It's disappointing to me because I wanted these fuckers exposed for what they've done.

Well there is also Trump himself. It’s downplayed a lot in maga land but Trump and Epstein were buddies and Trump name was on flight logs to the infamous pedo island.

Gas prices are up, inflation is getting hotter, trade deals are few and far between as he punts on tariffs again, and the opportunists are having to confess their rank opportunism. Just another day in Bizarro World at the end of empire. That said, it'd be the same old same old at the end of empire with Ds in charge so I guess you ought to be excited that we get a spectacle with this...though bald dude in dress who steals luggage at the airport as the deputy assistant secretary of Spent Fuel and Waste Disposition in the Office of Nuclear Energy was a spectacle in its own right.

So...the play now us to call for the release of some of the hardest to release material. I don't think this will satisfy.

How would you see it as being the same as with the democrats in charge? I guess it’s interesting that this is giving Trump some trouble with his base but I don’t see it mattering. He was always part of the Epstein story.

I don't mean that it would be the same as it is now. Trump brings his own special blend of crazy to the last days of American empire. What I mean is that Democrats would contine to operate in the same way that makes an opportunis...er, populist like Trump possible in the first place. We're deeply unserious and corrupt as a society. We're only starting to understand just how deep that runs through our systems since we've somehow managed to reelect--by a decisive win in both the popular and electoral vote--a person who should have been unelectable as dog catcher after 1/6/21. Yeah, inflation may have hurt and so did Joe dropping out when he did, but Harris was an idiot and you can see the pendulum swing on "woke" in a growing number of videos on Tik Tok of all places. People just really seem to expect me to give more of a flying fuck than they are willing to give beyond the socio-political posturing. And, tbh, I feel a lot happier having just said, "Fuck it. Let's watch it burn."

Happier now but later on? What is happening and what is being left for my nieces and nephews it’s worth caring and worrying about. I get the apathy but fires can be put out if enough people want to put it out.

Indeed. 'Murica peaked long ago, this shitbox country is circling the drain, and nothing can undo the process now.

We elected a reality TV game show host as President twice, what more is there to discuss?

The house actually shut down to avoid the Epstein/Trump problem.

Trump’s own personal lawyer has interviewed Epstein’s accomplice. This is what a deep state looks like WB.

Looks like Mike Johnson is starting to get hit with a backlash for covering and basically being an accomplice in Trump’s cover up with Epstein. The base is getting uncomfortable supporting pedos even if there’s an R attached.

Obama, Biden, Bill Clinton, Hillary's e-mails, Hunter's laptop.

Notice it got quiet from certain parties when Trump told his sheep to stop talking?

The FBI redacted Trump’s name in the Epstein files. I know it’s not a shocker. Anyone miss the days when this type of stuff wasn’t normal?

The MAGA cult will defend that creep no matter what...

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I don't understand the Democrat/Left's obsession wih making this all about Trump, of Trump allegedly being compromised by his relaionship with Jeffrey Epstein.
When the overwhelming evidence points to the Democrats.

Trump knew Jeffrey Epstein socially at parties, and is reported to have flown on Jeffrey Epstein's private plane ONCE, from New York to Palm Beach, and on that occasion was reported to have his wife and one of his daughters on the plane also. So with them along... where is his opportunity to have sex with Jeffrey Epstein's under-age sex slaves?

Further, it appears Trump spent just enough time privately with Epstein to see what Epstein was about, with all Epstein's under-age girls.
Trump saw Epstein was trouble, and wisely steered clear of Epstein after that.

And even more, threw Epstein out of the Mar A Lago club for mistreating the daughter of another club member, and for Epstein's recruiting young female employees away from Mar A Lago. After seeing Epstein up close, beyond just meeting him in public at social parties, Trump distanced himself after one flight together.



As contrasted with Prince Andrew, who had to make a $22 million settlement to Virginia Giuffre.
And Bill Clinton, who made 26 flights with Epstein aboard the "Lolita Express", 5 times of which Bill Clinton left behind his Secret Service protection detail, so as to not make them witnesses to his sinister actions.

And even further beyond that, two of Epstein's lawyers, Alan Dershowitz who legally defended Epstein when he was first convicted, and David Schoen who was Epstein's lawyer the second time in the 9 days before Epstein's death, BOTH ATTORNEYS said they had gone over what Jeffrey Epstein had against Trump and others, and Epstein had sworn to each of these atorneys that he had nothing compromising to use against Trump. That in either's consultations with Epstein, if he had anything, ANYTHING to use against Trump, he would have revealed it to them and used it as leverage to get himself a lighter jail sentence.

David Schoen was accused of breaking attorney-client confidentiality to say this, but Schoen said that
1) Epstein was very vocal around many people, that he had nothing to use against Trump, that Epsttein was not quiet around anyone surrounding them during legal disscussions, or wanting confidentiality about what he did or didn't know.
And
2) that confidentiality no longer existed once Jeffrey Epstein was dead, that what was revealed could no longer harm him.

But by both attorney's accounts, Epstein had nothing compromising to reveal about Trump. Or he would have desperately used it to leverage a lighter sentence.

So... you guys are so eager to imply Trump is guilty of something, despite all this being common knowledge now, proving Trump is NOT.

And meanwhile, you are dismissive of the far greater evidence of Bill Clinton, and of pretty much the entire Democrat party, for which Epstein had far more interaction, and was deeply involved in poliics and in fundraising for the Democrat party.



That said, I'm among the many Republicans who are disappointed that Trump has not pressed for release of all the evidence related to the Epstein case.
Though that might still be pending.

It annoys me that Trump, after vowing to release all the evidence, now says reporters should stop asking him about the Epstein case evidence.
Although that could simply be because the Trump-hating liberal media and Democrat leadership are using the Epstein case to eclipse all of Trump's many other Nobel Prize-worthy peace agreements and economic deals.

But I DO think everything should be revealed about the Epstein case, and that contrary to Trump's dismissive comments, it REMAINS VERY IMPORTANT.
Epstein employed under-age girls as sex slaves and videotaped those sessions as blackmail against industry leaders, against billionaires, against politicians, and perhaps heads of government intelligence agencies of nations worldwide. Epstein had close o a billion-dollar fortune, and i's sill a mystery what the source of his wealh was, other than blackmailing famous people after videoaping hem having sex with under-age girls.
There are about 300 then-underage girls (who are now women) who were used for these videotaped blackmail sessions, and they have the potential to incriminate perhaps thousands of very important men involved, in nations worldwide. Details that could topple governments.

So it is important, and should no be dismissively swept under a rug.


And it bothers me that attorney general Pam Bondi, FBI director Kash Patel, and assistant director Dan Boningo, who a month prior just said there were mountains of evidence they had on their desks and were reviewing, now say "Oops, sorry, there's no evidence after all. That's all there is"

I don' believe that for a second. They JUST SAID they had tons of evidence they were going through.
Maybe there's not enough evidence to convict, maybe the Deep State hid the evidence during the Biden years, and the curren DOJ don't have enough evidence to convict yet, but maybe they are confident it will surface or be disclosed by whistleblowers who didn't burn the evidence as ordered by he likes of Comey, McCabe and Brennan.
Okay, say that then, but don't try to bamboozle us and say there's nothing there. That might be the truth, but after their prior statements, that doesn't seem believable.

Patel, Boningo and Bondi have indicated that many of these Jeffrey Epstein sex slaves who were then young teen girls, are now women in their 30's and 40's who are now married and have children, and don't want to participate with DOJ as witnesses and have their lives and families ripped apart again.


But the liberal media and the Democrats are no better.
During the last 4 years, 2 of which Democrats controlled all three branches of government, and all 4 years they controlled the presidency, the DOJ and the FBI, the Democrats never showed he slightest interest in investigating or releasing documents about Eptsein.
So while I'm less than thrilled with Bondi, Patel, and Boningo, the hypocrisy of the Democrat / Left and George Orwell's liberal media, frankly stinks to high heaven.

I even consider the possibility that Bondi, Patel and Boningo could have been threatened or blackmailed into silence.




That was certainly what was attempted 30 years ago, under the Bill Clinton administration in the 1990's.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_House_FBI_files_controversy

And the Democrat-Bolshevik Party is ten times as mean and ideologically crazy now.
As evidenced by the weaponization of government for the last 9 years by Obama himself, Joe Biden, Hillary Clintton, James Comey, James Clapper, John Brennan, Peter Strzok, Lisa Page, Rod Rosenstein, Bruce and Nellie Ohr, Loretta Lynch, Sally Yates, Susan Rice, on down.
{b] HEADS OF EVERY FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT AND INTELLIGENCE AGENCY, ON UP TO EVERY WHITE HOUSE CABINET MEMBER, UP TO OBAMA AND BIDEN THEMSELVES[/b]
And that is just a fact at this point.

And to hide that fact, the Democrat / Left and the liberal media try to create a new false narrative about Trump, despite ALL the evidence against them, against the Democrat party leadership, and against the liberal media who did their damnedest to cover it up for the last 9 years.

Actually Trump’s toadies changed their tunes about the same time Bondi informed Trump that he was in the files. These are people he picked out for their loyalty to him above all else.

At this point it’s the republicans keeping a lid on the info. Johnson had the House adjourn early to avoid a vote on releasing the Epstein files. There’s been reporting that the Bondi pulled personal to search for Trump’s name and that the FBI has redacted Trump’s name from the files. Maxwell meanwhile had Trump’s personal lawyer interview her. In what world can you consider any of this ethical?

"toadies..."


It's DEMOCRATS who politically act and vote in lockstep as the Democrat-Bolshevik party, to corruptly protect their own, no matter how corrupt their own are, POSTURING about the need to protect rule of law, WHILE DEMOCRATS ACTUALLY UNDERMINE the rule of law.

I've seen no evidence, NONE, that Trump had a continued association with Jeffrey Epstein, or that attorney general Pam Bondi is acting, or would ever want to, hold back Epstein documents because they name or implicate Donald Trump.
* or * that Trump would ever order her to do so.
The evidence is Trump met once with Jeffrey Epstein, and rode Epstein's plane ONCE from New York to West Palm Beach, and visibly ended any contact with Epstein 20 years ago. It's just anoher Democrat and liberal media false narrative to slander Trump.
That Trump saw what Epstein was about after spending a few hours with him, and distanced himself from Epstein ever since.


ALL the evidence of the last 20 years connects Jeffrey Epstein to Bill Clinton and other Democrat leaders, both socially, and Epstein being a major participant and bundler / fundraiser for the Democrat party.
Just as the Democrats did with Harvey Weinstein, long after they knew about Harvey Weinstein's rapes and continued bad treatment of women that was common knowledge for about a decade a least. (as evidenced in celebrities joking about Weinstein's sexual creepiness in annual televised award shows.)
And yet Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, and other prominent Democrats continued socializing with Weinstein, and taking his campaign donations long after Weinstein was indicted, just as Democrats also did with Epstein.

You keep trying to evade that Trump rode in Jeffrey Epstein's plane ONCE, over 20 years ago, and with his wife and daughter no less, from New York City to West Palm Beach. Where he had no opportunity to do anything illicit with Epstein, or with Epstein's under-age sex-slave prostitutes.
While you simultaneously IGNORE and never address that Bill Clinton took 26 recorded flights on Epstein's "Lolita Express" private plane, FIVE of which he left behind his Secret Service detail, so they would not be witnesses to Clinton's illicit actions with Epstein. And the ongoing close association of Epstein with other Democrats, continuing LONG after Jeffrey Epstein's sex crimes were well known and national news to the entire world.
THAT you don't want to discuss.

It's the standard tactic of Democrats for a least the last 25 years. EVERYTHING they falsely accuse Republicans of, are what DEMOCRATS THEMSELVES are actually guilty of.
From election fraud, to sex crimes, to political corruption and bribes, to treasonous selling out the U.S. to foreign governments, to weaponizing the IRS, FBI, DOJ and other federal agencies against their political opponents.
EVERY. SINGLE. TIME.

Nope, you’re lying just with the claim they met just once. Trump and Epstein have a long documented history together. And Trump is listed on the flight logs multiple times. You’re willing to look the other way and unload misinformation but you’re not fooling anyone.

What exactly is "crazy"?

Securing the border?
Deporting criminal illegals, rapists, murderers, dug traffickers, human traffickers, and other criminal illegals?
Trump slashing inflation way down in barely his first 5 months in office?

Securing new trade deals to the U.S. benefit, that for the first time in 70 years are in the U.S. interest and not fleecing the U.S.? (These disproportionate trade deals were set up at the end of World War II, deliberately disproportionate, to help European nations and Japan to rebuild their nations and economies, and should have been scrapped and re-negotiated way back then, after 10 or 20 years at most. But Trump is doing it now.)

Once again re-establishing U.S. oil independence (that Biden destroyed in his 4 years), and lowering the price of oil worldwide?

And using lower oil prices and sale of oil and natural gas to Western Europe, to de-fund Russia's ability to continue the war in Ukraine?

Negotiating peace deals and military deterrence to stop old wars and deter new wars, in at least 5 regions in the world?
(After Biden's 4 years, the world was on fire and wars expanding worldwide. Under Trump those fires are getting snuffed out, and whether he receives it, Trump has earned a Nobel Peace prize 5 times over.)

Yeah, wow. Crazy.
I fail to see anything Trump has damaged, rather than fixed.




Okay, that's a baseless slander. In his first term, Trump lost a billion dollars of personal wealth in order to serve the country.
Trump is the ONLY president in at least a hundred years to NOT personally profit from serving as president.

So much for "opportunist".

Further Trump donates his entire salary every quarter it is paid, usually to one of several veterans organizations.
Granted, JFK and Herbert Hoover also donated their president's salary, but I don't see why you would slander Trump as an "opportunist".

And that's not even getting into Trump's courage in facing 600 years of potential jail time on false charges, just so he can serve the country again as president.
And the $850 million in false civil damages he was sentenced to pay in punishing fake damages, that will eventually be overturned. Not to mention the legal fees to fight all those weaponized cases, that have probably cost Trump well over a billion dollars total.


That is SO ambiguous. I might actually agree with you on that, if you had cited what exactly is "unserious" and corrupt. But no examples given.

I would agree that the two-party system (the Democrat-Bolsheviks and the establishment Republicans) are moving us toward financial collapse, with debt that till now rises no matter which party is in power.
But you again slander Trump as part of this, whereas Trump has through attempted DOGE cuts and tariffs brought about the first budget surplus in 20 years.
And both Democrats and Republicans (and you, apparently) are resisting his debt reduction plans, kicking and screaming all the way.


Ideally, I would like to see the annual new deficit spending end, and the cumulative 38 trillion in total debt paid off at a rate of about a trillion per year. And even at that rate of paydown, it would sill take 40 years to bring the national debt to zero.
Political talk about bringing "the deficit" to zero over 5 or 10 years, as several have proposed over the last 30 years, is not good enough. If serious, a president or other leaders of either party have to completely stop deficit spending, THIS year. And begin paying down the debt every year after.

What Trump is doing, with a combination of DOGE cuts and tariffs, appears to be actually doing that.




The "corruption" is centered on the Democrat side, enabled by Republican leaders who don't push to resist the Democrat abuses, and who don't act to protect the Republican voters who elected them.
The "uni-party", or the "establishment", both Democrats and Republicans, are enriched by keeping the existing system exactly as it is.


Bu that's my definition of what is inherently corrupt. And I can only guess what you see it as, unless you come out and define it.





Again with baselesssly slandering Trump.
The ONE GUY who is trying to cut spending, end the rising federal debt, and weed out the corruption. At great personal risk to himself, in service of the country. Without Trump, I don't see anyone in either party who even expresses a lucid plan to weed out that corruption and waste.



And whiipng out Jan 6 2021 and blaming Trump for it... wow.... just... WOW.

I've detailed how that is false, in literally hundreds of posts here over the last 4 years. How few people can even be accused of rioting or "insurrection", maybe 60 out of a crowd of over 100,000 a the Capitol that day.
The numbers are so small. How Trump authorized 10,000 to 20,000 National Guard troops to guard the Capitol grounds during the Jan 6h protests, that IF ONLY DEPLOYED, would have prevented ANY possible rioting or violence that day.

How Schumer and Pelosi obstructed their deployment and would not authorize their deployment. How the woke lunatic mayor (Muriel Bowser) of Washington DC did the same obstruction in her city, and declined the National Guard deployment, IN A WRITTEN LETTER.

How Trump in his speech in front of he White House from noon to 1:11 PM on Jan 6 2021, before their march over to the Capitol, urged his supporters to "PEACEFULLY and patriotically voice your support" for the House and Senate Republicans who were legally and by Constitutional procedure disputing the fraudulent Nov 2020 presidential electoral vote.
By the book.
As he and the rest of Republican proesters had every legal right to challenge. Just as Democrats had challenged, with far less legitimate a case, the 2000 election, the 2004 election, and the 2016 election.

Literally, the Democrats have challenged EVERY SINGLE ELECTION THEY HAVE LOST FOR THE LAST 25 YEARS.
And then when they lost the legal challenge, eacch time, Democrats continued to call each of those elections "illegiimate" and undermine each Republican president.
And have eroded trust in the system, and further incited riots and violent takeover to get their way at every political turn, and by weaponizing federal agencies against their poliical opponents, rather than EVER respecting the election result.
THAT is your "unserious" corruption, that threatens to collapse the nation.

At this poiint it is A FACT that FBI placed a least 20 undercover agents in the crowd at the Capitol, DISGUISED AS Trump supporters, to FRAME Trump supporters, led by an FBI agent who despised Trump, and had just previously led the Gretchen Whittmer fake kidnapping FBI sting fiasco in Michigan, before being assigned to supervise FBI's undercover operation on January 6th at the Capitol.
He should have been fired or demoted, but instead was assigned to lead yet another FBI deep state operation against Trump.

When both FBI director Christopher Wray, and FBI assistant director Jill Sanborn of FBI's counter-terrorism division (in charge of the Jan 6th investigation) were asked repeatedly by multiple REPUBLICAN senators (and were asked by no Democrat senators, because the Democrats have absolutely no interest in the truth or facts of what actually happened on January 6th) ,
Republicans repeatedly asked : "Were there undercover FBI agents among the crowds of Trump protesters? Did undercover FBI agents ENCOURAGE violence that day? Did undercover FBI agents COMMIT VIOLENT ACTS THEMSELVES that day?"
And despite these questions being repeatedly asked by Sen. Ron Johnson, by Sen. Rand Paul, by Sen. Rick Scott among others, Chris Wray and Jill Sanborn would only say, "Senator, I can't answer that..."
Because FBI agents DID encourage violence and commit acts to frame Trump supporters that day.
Because if either Wraay or Sanborn said "No", they could each have later been prosecuted and imprisoned for perjury.

Period, the end.

And when incoming House Speaker Mike Johnson finally released the 40,000 hours of security video taken inside and around the Capitol on Jan 6th, that the Jan 6th committee was forced to release two and a half years after January 6th, virtually all the Jan 6th prisoners WERE SET FREE, BECAUSE THE VIDEO PROVED THEIR INNOCENCE, despite the Democrat-Bolshevik party's suppression of that video, to keep their false narrative alive.

I don't know, Iggy, why you would front that PROVEN false narrative to still be true, or why you think it should have barred Trump from being elected to a second term.
Those are the facts. And they are proven and in evidence. And of the roughly 60 toal acts of either vandalism or violence on Jan 6th, I'm absolutely convinced that undercover false-flag FBI agents and Antifa/John Earle Sullivan orchestrated, encouraged , or themselves committed the majority of what little did occur.

"January 6th Insurrection" is a completely false narrative. Even the FBI's investigation said there was no organized insurrection, just a few disorganized pockets of rioting and vandalism.
But it took over 2 years, and a 2022 mid-term of election of a Republican House majority, and only when those Republicans were inaugurated did the false narrative break, and the 40,000 hours of Capitol surveillance video released to show what the actual truth is.
And Democrats fought tooth and nail at every turn to prevent that truth from being revealed.

I don't know why you still cling to that disproven lie.





There was nothing sad or unfortunate about Biden dropping out and letting Kamala Harris become the 2024 candidate. Biden's debate performance swept away the last scintilla of public doubt that Biden is a human vegetable, completely incapable of being president.
Or even capable of completing a sentence. George Clooney, Nancy Pelosi and others may have led a coup to push him out as the 2024 candidate, but if not pushed out, Biden would have humiliatingly lost in an even greater landslide than Kamala Harris did in Nov 2024.

Dear God, why would you want these lunatics to win?
And why can't you endorse Trump, when he has proven himself to be a far more capable leader, who has averted chaos, and re-built the country TWICE, in two non-consecutive 4-year terms?

Trump is not only doing a great job, he is the only candidate of either party on the horizon capable of rebuilding the country, and eliminating the destructive forces from within trying to destroy us.

And Trump actually seems to have learned from his 4 years out of power, how to re-build the country even more effectively. He's brought 14 trillion dollars (so far) in foreign investment into the U.S., ramping up U.S. energy production, ramping up U.S. AI development, bringing back factories and jobs to the U.S., incentivizing foreign companies to move THEIR production into the U.S.
Have you EVER seen any past president do anything EVEN CLOSE to what Trump is accomplishing?

I have great confidence in what Trump is doing, I've never seen such vision and focus on building for the nation's future. My only fear is what the Democrat-Bolshevik wolves will do to the country after his term ends.

I'm not lying. It is A FACT that both Bill Clinton, and the broader Democrat party, have far greater ties to Jeffrey Epstein (and his under-age girls).
And that the Democrat party eagerly took his donations, even KNOWING where Epstein's money came from.

And continued to take Epstein's money and associate with him, EVEN AFTER he was indicted for his prostiution/blackmail crimes.

JEFFREY EPSTEIN DONATED TO SEVERAL DEMOCRATS ACROSS THE 1990's and 2000's
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/jef...rats-1990s-early-2000s/story?id=64255485


THE DEMOCRATS HAVE AN EPSTEIN PROBLEM OF THEIR OWN
https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/5412928-democrats-epstein-trump-fallout/


HERE ARE ALL THE POLITICIANS REGISTERED SEX OFFENDER JEFFREY EPSTEIN HAS DONATED TO
https://www.businessinsider.com/jeffrey-epstein-politicians-connections-donations-2019-7?op=1



Again, Jeffrey Epstein may have donated to or met Republicans, including Trump.
But it is an immutable fact that Jeffrey Epstein was a Democrat, and primarily fundraised, donated and socialized with Democrats.

That is not a "lie", That is just a fact.

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And...

DEMOCRAT PARTY LEADER SAYS HAKIM JEFFRIES' ATTACK LINE AGAINST REPUBLICANS IS 'BULLSHIT'
https://dailycaller.com/2025/07/25/house-democrats-protest-epstein-files-messaging/

• “Candidly, this whole thing is just such bullshit,” a House Democrat, who requested anonymity to speak freely, told Axios regarding the Democrats’ Epstein messaging campaign.
  
  The lawmaker’s frank remark follows Jeffries telling reporters Monday that House Democrats had not become preoccupied with the Epstein files until President Donald Trump was sworn into his second term. Though Jeffries has demanded Attorney General Pam Bondi release records related to the late sex criminal, he made no similar calls during former President Joe Biden’s four years in office.
  
  “The far right, Donald Trump, right-wing conspiracy theorists and others are the ones who have put this Jeffrey Epstein thing in the public domain,” Jeffries said in response to a question asked by the Daily Caller News Foundation. “No one looking at the facts disputes that this isn’t anything that any of us as House Democrats have been focused on ever — in terms of trying to fan the flames of what may or may not happen.”

You’re lying about Trump and Epstein just having met once among other things. I know you just want to talk about dems but the truth is it’s the republicans hiding Trump’s Epstein ties.

And note dems are just asking for the the files to be released. Unlike Trump and his henchmen, turning on a dime from wanting the files to be released to let’s stop talking about Epstein once Trump was informed that he was in the files.

?!?

I just posted the truth, M E M.

Cited, sourced and linked.


EVEN IF Trump met more than once with Jeffrey Epstein, EVEN IF Trump had not thrown Epstein out of Mar A Lago and distanced himself from Epstein 20 years ago, EVEN IF he met with Epstein a hundred times and actually had sex with one of his under-age girls (and there is no indication or evidence of that) WHAT YOU ARE SAYING IS A LIE, UNTRUE, AND A PROPAGANDA NARRATIVE THAT ATTEMPTS TO HIDE THE FAR GREATER CONNECTION OF EPSTEIN TO THE DEMOCRAT PARTY.

Cited, sourced and linked.

When will that sink in?

Democrats are asking, but clearly didn't give a damn about Epstein or his victims, or releasing the files, FOR FOUR YEARS while they and Biden had complete control of the FBI and DOJ, and the power to have the files released !

ONLY raising the issue now as a way to attack Trump politically.

NOT because they give a damn.

You knowingly played down Trump’s friendship with Epstein so no you’re not the truth teller here. And Trump telling his sheep to stop talking about Epstein says a lot right there.

1) I cited, linked and sourced the extensive ties of Jeffrey Epstein to the Democrat party, and to Bill and Hillary Clinton.
Epstein was a major financial bundler and donor to the Democrat party. I specifically cited exactly who, and that's probably not even a complete list of the Democrats connected to Epstein.

2) You've yet to cite any evidence of a deeper relationship between Trump and Jeffrey Epstein. You IMPLY it, you INSINUATE it, but you cite no evidence. My knowledge is that Trump would run into Epstein at high society parties for years, so they had a superficial friendship. But once he spent the slightest amount of private time with Epstein and got a real glimpse of Epstein's world, Trump distanced himself and severed all ties. Trump is recorded to have gone on one flight with Epstein. Maybe on some superficial level Trump and Epstein got together for lunch or golf or whatever one time, or ten times, or 50 times in some superficial level of contact. But once he saw what Epstein was about, he didn't go on a second or 26th trip on Epstein's private plane, and didn't leave behind his Secret Service protection detail 5 times, as Bill Clinton did.

You keep trying to slander Trump and exaggerate his connection to Jeffrey Epstein with far less evidence, while ignoring the far greater evidence against Bill Clinton and the broader Democrat party.

Trump ended his contact with Epstein and distanced himself from Epstein about 20 years ago. Whereas Democrats' interaction with Epstein, KNOWING what he was, even after his indictment and trial the first time, continued their association with Epstein, continued taking Epstein's money.
And that's just a sourced and linked fact.

Odd how Trump had Bondi redact his name out of the files. And Trump after campaigning on Epstein now doesn’t want his stupid (his word) followers talking about Epstein. His old friend that he knew liked his girls on the young side.

JD is ready to have an Epstein party
“ Vice President JD Vance on Wednesday evening is expected to host a group of top administration officials at his residence for a strategy session as the administration considers whether to release the transcript from the Department of Justice interview with Ghislaine Maxwell, sources familiar with the matter told ABC News.”

This was cancelled as word got out.

In unhinged Trump Derangement fashion, you again imply and insinuate wrongdoing by Trump, but fail to cite any EVIDENCE of wrongdoing by Trump to back it up.
Because there isn't any.



From your own article:


Period. The end.



Outside of Democrat propaganda Trump-hating sources that desperately would like to believe otherwise, the only obstacle to releasing the Epstein documents and releasing the full transcript of Ghislaine Maxwell's interview, is not wanting to release any information that would hurt any of the 300 or so former enslaved teenage victims of Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell. As I said before, many are now married and have children. They are not eager to testify and re-open that wound, and don't want to participate in a trial and prosecution of Ghislaine Maxell or others possibly involved. They want to move on with their lives, and not be put back in the national media spotlight.

Ghislaine Maxwell has said there is NOTHING she has witnessed that is harmful or incriminating to Trump.

Jeffrey Epstein's first lawyer, the renowned Alan Dershowitz, said there is NOTHING harmful or incriminating to Trump.

Jeffrey Epstein's lawyer David Schoen, during the last 9 days of Epstein's life, said there is NOTHING harmful or incriminating to Trump. And he pushed Epstein very hard for something that could be used as leverage in Epstein's legal defense, but Epstein loudly swore to him and others there was nothing. Epstein was desperate, if it existed, he would have used it.

Further, the Democrats controlled the Biden presidency and the DOJ and FBI, they threw everything they had at Trump for four years. If they REALLY BELIEVED that there was ANYTHING that could have been used against Trump, they would have used it in those 4 years.
They don't have it.
It doesn't exist.
PERIOD. THE END.

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HOW DEEP WERE THE CLINTONS' TIES TO EPSTEIN'S PRIVATE ISLAND NETWORK? (Lifezette)

• AUGUST 7, 2025
  
  
  Former President Bill Clinton and former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton have been subpoenaed to testify before the House Oversight Committee in connection with the ongoing investigation into convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein and his associates.
  The subpoenas were issued this week, and both Clintons are scheduled to provide depositions in October as lawmakers re-examine Bill Clinton’s connection to Epstein.
  
  
  The House Oversight Committee’s letter to Hillary Clinton cites a possible “close relationship” between the Clinton family and Epstein, as well as Epstein’s longtime associate, Ghislaine Maxwell, who is currently serving a 20-year sentence for her role in trafficking underage girls for Epstein.
  Bill Clinton’s association with Epstein has drawn renewed scrutiny, particularly in relation to a 2002 trip to Africa aboard Epstein’s private jet, which later became known as the “Lolita Express.”
  
  During the trip, Clinton, actor Kevin Spacey, comedian Chris Tucker, and others accompanied Epstein on a tour of five African countries as part of Clinton’s then-new nonprofit AIDS initiative.
  The group also spent a day with former South African President Nelson Mandela.
  
  A photograph from that trip, which surfaced years later, shows Clinton receiving a shoulder massage from Chauntae Davies, a 22-year-old massage therapist employed by Epstein.
  [ photo ]
  
  Kevin Spacey, in a 2023 interview with Piers Morgan, described the presence of young women on the jet during that trip, saying:
  
  “I didn’t wanna be around this guy because I felt he put the president at risk on that trip to South Africa because there were these young girls. It was disturbing. There were young girls on those flights. I didn’t understand at the time who they were or why they were there.”
  
  Clinton and Spacey were on a trip to Africa together for the Clinton Foundation using Epstein’s jet. Spacey says the activity he witnesse[d] put the president "at risk".
  
  According to flight records, the 2002 Africa trip was the second of an estimated 26 times Clinton flew aboard Epstein’s jet.
  
  On some occasions, Clinton reportedly traveled without the required Secret Service detail, in violation of standard presidential protection protocols.
  
  Public records indicate that Epstein donated $1,000 to Bill Clinton’s presidential campaign in 1992 and contributed $20,000 to Hillary Clinton’s U.S. Senate campaign in 1999.
  
  During Bill Clinton’s presidency, Epstein and Maxwell visited the White House a total of 17 times between 1993 and 2001.
  
  In 2002, Epstein also visited Clinton at the Clinton Foundation’s Harlem office.
  
  Clinton’s former aide Doug Band later told Vanity Fair that he attempted to distance Epstein from the former president, but Clinton continued the association.
  
  Band claimed that Clinton visited Epstein’s private Caribbean retreat, Little St. James—often referred to as “Pedophile Island”—in early 2003, a claim Clinton’s representatives have denied.
  
  Virginia Roberts Giuffre, a woman who accused Epstein and Maxwell of trafficking her as a minor, alleged in court filings that Clinton was seen on Epstein’s island during a dinner with “two lovely girls.”
  
  In a never-published manuscript titled The Billionaire’s Playboy Club, Giuffre claimed Clinton was “teasing the girls on either side of him with playful pokes and brassy comments” before walking off with them for the evening.
  
  Clinton has denied ever visiting the island and has not been accused of any sexual misconduct.
  
  A 2019 statement from Clinton’s spokesperson said the former president “knows nothing about the terrible crimes Jeffrey Epstein pleaded guilty to in Florida some years ago, or those with which he has been recently charged in New York.”
  
  Epstein died in jail in 2019 while awaiting trial on sex-trafficking charges.
  
  Spencer Kuvin, a Florida attorney who represented several of Epstein’s victims beginning in 2007, said he found no evidence of inappropriate behavior by Clinton but noted a consistent pattern of social interaction between Clinton and Epstein.
  
  “He was seeking influence from all sides,” Kuvin said of Epstein.
  “He wanted to befriend as many high-profile people [ as possible ] and have them in his orbit.”
  
  
  Epstein frequently displayed his connections to Clinton, including keeping a photo of himself with the former president in his residence.
  
  During a raid on Epstein’s Manhattan mansion following his arrest, the FBI discovered a painting of Bill Clinton in a blue dress resembling one worn by Monica Lewinsky, a central figure in Clinton’s White House scandal.
  [ photo of the weird painting ]
  
  Despite Bill Clinton’s claims of severing ties with Epstein before his arrests in 2007 and 2019, Ghislaine Maxwell remained connected to the Clinton family and was a guest at Chelsea Clinton’s wedding in 2010.
  [ photo of them at Chelsea's wedding in 2010 ]
  
  
  Congressional hearings are set to begin August 18, with former Attorney General William Barr appearing before the House committee.
  
  Hillary Clinton is scheduled to testify on October 9, followed by Bill Clinton on October 14, as lawmakers continue their probe into Epstein’s network and political ties.

That alone is quite a bit of social connection of Bill and Hillary Clinton to Jeffrey Epstein, Ghislaine Maxwell, the "Lolita Express", and their Pedophile Island.

With photos to back it up.

By ERICA ORDEN
08/07/2025 05:44 PM EDT
Updated: 08/07/2025 07:00 PM EDT


NEW YORK — Victims of Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell are alarmed over the Justice Department’s effort to unseal grand jury testimony in their cases and its cooperation with Maxwell, a convicted sex offender.
Several victims, in letters from their lawyers, have balked at the department’s approach, saying it “smacks of a cover up,” calling aspects of it “cowardly,” and arguing that it demonstrates the Trump administration considers the victims “at best, an afterthought.”
And they warn that the Trump administration, with its treatment of Maxwell, is on the precipice of undoing the only measure of justice the victims received from a sex trafficking ring that, by the government’s own account, harmed more than 1,000 girls and young women.
In letters to the federal judges fielding the government’s request to unseal the materials, victims have largely — though not entirely — agreed with the Justice Department’s move to reveal the testimony, despite the fact that the department itself has acknowledged that much of the information is already public.
But they have derided the administration’s suggestion that it will seek to redact not only victim information but also “other personal identifying information” of third parties from the transcripts.
And they expressed fear and disgust over the administration’s recent treatment of Maxwell, who is serving a 20-year prison sentence for sex trafficking. After a pair of interviews with a top DOJ official, Maxwell was transferred to a less restrictive facility, an unusual upgrade in her prison accommodations. She has also advocated for a pardon from President Donald Trump, who has reiterated he has the power to grant her clemency.
Maxwell has said she opposes the unsealing of the material since she is in the midst of attempting to overturn her conviction. Epstein, her longtime associate and onetime boyfriend, died by suicide in jail in 2019 while awaiting trial on sex trafficking charges.
DOJ declined to comment.
Victims speak out
Most of the letters to U.S. District Judges Richard Berman and Paul Engelmayer have been filed by lawyers for victims, with the names of the victims undisclosed or redacted.
Bradley Edwards, Brittany Henderson and Paul Cassell represent numerous victims, including some whose names, they said, appear in the grand jury materials and one who testified at Maxwell’s trial. In a letter to the court, they said their clients could support unsealing only if extreme care is taken to protect victims.

“The survivors support transparency when it can be achieved without sacrificing their safety, privacy, or dignity,” they wrote. “But transparency cannot come at the expense of the very people whom the justice system is sworn to protect — particularly amid contemporaneous events that magnify risk and trauma: the public platforming of Ms. Maxwell as a purportedly credible commentator despite her sex-trafficking conviction and perjury charges, her transfer to lower-security custody, a government request to unseal filed without conferral, and the looming specter of clemency.”
The lawyers especially took aim at what they said was the Justice Department’s failure to consult the victims or their attorneys before seeking the unsealing of the records, a step they said is not only required by law but one DOJ has previously failed to take in the Epstein saga.
In 2019, a federal judge found that federal prosecutors in Florida had broken the law by signing a non-prosecution agreement with Epstein without notifying victims. The 2007 agreement was struck by prosecutors led by Alex Acosta, who at the time of the judge’s ruling was Trump’s secretary of Labor during his first term.
“It is especially troubling that, despite the outcome of that litigation, the government has once again proceeded in a manner that disregards the victims’ rights, suggesting that the hard-learned lessons of the past have not taken hold,” Edwards, Henderson and Cassell wrote.

They also urged the judge not to consider the unsealing request in a vacuum. “Survivors are acutely concerned that unsealing, coupled with the transfer and Ms. Maxwell’s public platform, may be a prelude to clemency,” they wrote. “For some, the Maxwell conviction is the only meaningful measure of criminal accountability; its erosion would be devastating.”
A lawyer for Annie Farmer, a victim of Epstein and Maxwell who testified at Maxwell’s trial, also expressed revulsion that Maxwell “is now, to the victims’ horror, herself attempting to escape justice.”
She said the unsealing request, while it “will help expose the magnitude and abhorrence of Epstein’s and Maxwell’s crimes,” doesn’t go far enough, and suggested the government should disclose the “more than 300 gigabytes of data and physical evidence” it possesses.
Farmer’s lawyer Sigrid McCawley also took issue with the government’s pledge to withhold identifying information about third parties, writing that “any effort to redact third party names smacks of a cover up.” And she faulted the administration’s statement that it had found no evidence to merit opening an investigation into any third parties. “The Government’s recent suggestion that no further criminal investigations are forthcoming is a cowardly abdication of its duties to protect and serve,” she wrote.
Yet another lawyer who said he represents multiple Epstein and Maxwell victims, John Scarola, told the judges that the court should release “all Epstein-related information and documents in the possession and control of law enforcement, prosecutorial and other government agents and entities,” with victim information redacted. He also said the court should order the disclosure of the complete transcripts of all interviews with Maxwell.
And an anonymous victim whom federal prosecutors said was represented by Edwards pleaded with the court for “more transparency.”
“I think the victims’ lawyers should have access to all these findings,” this person wrote. “We have a right to take legal action against these institutions and/or individuals involved in Epstein’s and co-conspirators crimes.”
There was one letter unlike the others, however. Neil Binder, an attorney for clients whose names were redacted in the publicly filed version of his letter, urged the court not to unseal the transcripts, saying the government hadn’t “met its burden to justify” such a step. Binder requested that if the documents are made public that his clients’ names be redacted because they were “innocent third parties at the time of any allegations contained in the grand jury materials.”
Binder wrote that the injury his clients could face if their names are revealed “is difficult to overstate.”
“Publicizing any information in the grand jury materials related to” his clients, he wrote, “will inflict irreparable harm on them through the very fact of their association with this case.”Epstein victims smell a cover up

Nuh uh.

Trump’s DOJ has now given Maxwell a cushier prison that normally wouldn’t be available for sex offenders and groomers like Maxwell is. Even the rare times it does happen it’s a process that takes months. Here it just happens. Our corrupt administration doing Trump’s bidding where helping a monster like Maxwell is required for some reason.

Obviously not the end WB. It’s more than a little suspicious that Trump had his personal lawyer question Maxwell alone. And after that she gets moved to a lower security prison that wouldn’t be normally granted to someone this heinous. How and why did that happen? And why wasn’t Alex Acosta not subpoenaed by the house? The republican controlled house obviously wasn’t going to subpoena Trump who was friends with both Epstein and Maxwell but why not Acosta? He was the U.S. attorney for the Southern District of Florida whose secret non-prosecution agreement with Epstein created a spark that has turned into an inferno of controversy nearly 20 years later. There isn’t a good reason is there?

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You play around a lot with unproven half-baked speculaion.

The FACT is, both of Epstein's lawyers, Dershowitz and Schoen, said they pushed Epstein really hard for anything they could use as leverage in Epstein's defense.
And they both were adamant that Epstein had nothing, NOTHING to use against Trump.
I still say that Epstein had 300 under-age girls who were giving videotaped massages/sex to thousands of political and industrial leaders, and had the ability to blackmail them. And that those videotapes are out there somewhere, someone has them, and that is what Trump's DOJ team is quietly negotiating to find. They at least did exist, those tapes could topple world leaders, captains of industry and maybe cabinet members or heads of federal agencies. Or leaders in foreign governments or foreign intelligence services.
IF they still exist. And I find it hard to believe anyone would destroy something that valuable.

I frankly don't buy the narrative that they NEVER existed. They were either destroyed, or someone still has them.
And it's further complicated that these formerly under-age girls are now adult women with husbands and children, and don't want to be identified or testify.

I also was deeply disappointed that Kash Patel, Dan Boningo and Pam Bondi assured us there were stacks of evidence, and then a few weeks later unconvincingly said that evidence didn't exist. That could mean the evidence was destroyed or hidden by others, to prevent them from getting it. But I didn't like or believe the narrative that it never existed, and that from their comments they were shuttitng down the DOJ and FBI investigation, and not looking any more for missing evidence.

As I said before, I even consider the possibility that THEY THEMSELVES could be intimidated or blackmailed into silence. Because clearly, Epstein has obvious ties to the Deep State.


But completely unrelated to Trump and certainly not covering up for him, Alan Dershowitz and David Schoen said they pushed Epstein, and Epstein swore up and down here was nothing he had on Trump. And if he HAD something on Trump, he would have definitely whipped it out, to leverage his way out of a jail sentence.
But I'm convinced there's still evidence and videotapes that could destroy thousands of other rich and influential people. That seems to be how Epstein built his billion-dollar fortune. No other explanation is ever offered for how Jeffrey Epstein built his fortune.