RKMBs Forums .::Important::. Politics and Current Events Shit Show: Afghanistan

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Yep.
I knew that. Dipshit.

I find Biden’s handling of the pull out awful too but I recognize that freeing prisoners like Trump did was never a good idea. And he did that as he reduced troops. And he kept reducing troops as the Taliban kept fighting and killing their fellow Afghan’s. Trump even bragged that it couldn’t be stopped. That’s not propaganda. That all happened.

Area cultist unable to understand that he gets exactly what he gives. News at eleven.

But, Trump offered up a delusional what-if scenario that totally is belied by his record with pullouts. Ask the Kurds for an example. How dare you think that he wouldn't have orchestrated a "perfect" withdrawal?

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The US military may not be as capable as they claim - U.S. military contractor Erik Prince


How Biden not only collapsed the Afghanistan government, but may have shattered NATO. And shattered the confidence in in U.S. military power that has kept us out of a world war for the last 75 years.

Just pointing out, as usual, you've cited no facts to support anything you've said, just namecalling and personal insults.
As compared with my sourced facts, to back up everything I've said. I call them Bolsheviks and Marxists because they OPENLY SAY they are Marxists, who praise and emulate the tactics of 100 years of marxist dictators: Stalin, Mao, Castro, the Sandinistas, Hugo Chaves, Che Gueverra. And American marxists like Saul Alinsky, Cloward and Piven, and the founders of Cultural Marxism, the "Frankfurt School" that fled to the U.S. from Nazi Germany in the 1930's. Along with Obama and Hillary's adding on of Critical Race theory, the 1619 project, Antifa, BLM, and otherwise tearing down our nation's founders and heroes.

I don't recall using the terms, bootlickers, scum, or snowflakes. That is your own invention. I don't know what "area cultists" means, so that's not much of an insult.
The Democrat/Left is destroying this country, and you can look up their OWN WORDS to confirm what I've said, either in their speeches and writings, or in videotaped public statements.

https://www.discoverthenetworks.org/organizations/individuals

Everything I've said is absolutely verifiably true, not namecalling, not paranoia, not conspiracy, just absolute verifiable fact.
As compared with your lies, insults and slanders.

The guy literally mocked and looked down upon by people the world over continues to vent his resentful spleen in a dead forum because that's apparently all he has. News at eleven.

Agreed, and I know with Trumpers it’s always going to be that way. It’s bugging me that Biden is adopting some of that “make your own reality” with this pull out. I think it was a mistake with Kurds and here with Afghanistan. Than again it fell so quickly after 20 years it’s hard to justify why we stayed so long other than keeping Russia and China out.

Even right-wing lunatic Ann Coulter is calling out Trump for his shitty policy part of the vast conspiracy to tear down the orange one, is nothing sacred?

https://www.yahoo.com/news/ann-coulter-sided-biden-afghanistan-114148250.html


I wonder how the Trump Cult members will respond to this...

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Again, whether Ann Coulter or someone else, that talking point ignores that Trump had an exit strategy that was conditional on stability in Afghanistan before fully pulling out. And Trump would have still kept Bagram air force base, and intelligence on the ground, to insure there would not be a resurgence of Al Qaida.
And the U.S. would have continued to provide air support to the Iraq military, toward preserving that stability.

Trump had no plans to pull out in the middle of the night without even informing the Afghans, not allowing them to re-organize their defense strategy to compensate for our absence.

Trump didn't talk to Afghan president Ghani, and did not tell Ghani to lie (as Biden did, that Biden will likely be impeached for) telling Ghani against the facts discussed to publicly remain optimistic, to hide that Afghanistan was collapsing before Taliban forces while Biden pulled out.

Trump would not have betrayed our civilians and soldiers at the Kabul airport and pulled out our military before civilians and allies were evacuated, the chaos and bloodshed at the Kabul airport for 2 weeks, before completely abandoning them to be slaughtered and/or taken as hostages.
13 U.S. soldiers killed, 17 more hospitalized with serious injuries,
170 Afghan allies killed in the blast.
No further protection by the Biden administration, no change in strategy, no retaliation for the attack. Token action, nothing but political theatre by Biden.

Trump would not have used his own state department to further prevent military contractors and retired military officers from privately rescuing civilians and military contrractors.
And then the Biden administration's threatening of foreign governments who allow their nations' airports to be used to rescue them. THE OPPOSITE of rescuing them ! Further twisting the rusty knife in their backs.

Trump did none of that, despite the lying liberal narrative propaganda otherwise.

What Trump may or may not have theoretically done is just guessing. We do know what he did do as President…
Timeline of US withdrawal from Afghanistan

“ The Trump administration in February 2020 negotiated a withdrawal agreement with the Taliban that excluded the Afghan government, freed 5,000 imprisoned Taliban soldiers and set a date certain of May 1, 2021, for the final withdrawal.

And the Trump administration kept to the pact, reducing U.S. troop levels from about 13,000 to 2,500, even though the Taliban continued to attack Afghan government forces and welcomed al-Qaeda terrorists into the Taliban leadership.”

The fact that Trump kept reducing troop levels despite what the Taliban was doing cast real doubt on what he may have done. Trump elevated terrorists and helped strengthen them against the Afghan government by releasing thousands of prisoners.

This doesn’t let Biden off the hook by any means but please gfy if you want to spin Trump here.

I think President Ghani's fleeing the country is all the defense that is needed to that. The Afghan leadership has PROVEN to be unreliable and corrupt, despite the courage and continuing to fight on of portions of the Afghan military, even without U.S. air support.

Trump negotiated an agreement with the Taliban, but with great threat if the Taliban broke their word, to destroy the leaders' own villages. Biden abandoned that agreement and any enforcement of it, betraying the Afghans, and also U.S. national security.
Trump was generous with the release of SOME Taliban prisoners. But it was Biden who allowed the Taliban to release ALL the prisoners, even the most dangerous ones.


No. Trump continued to give the Afghan military air force protection, while the Afghan army largely took over the ground fighting. And it is VERY clear that Trump never intended to ever give up Bagram air force base, or withdraw U.S. intelligence on the ground. As every one of those at the center of negotiations and ground operations have clearly said, in the video interviews I've posted, and many more that I haven't.

So what you're saying is Democrat propaganda, deliberate lies and wild speculation, way beyond the facts.
I guess "gfy" in your post = an infantile "go fuck yourself", and that's exactly what you can do, M E M. I've disproven your propaganda lies ten times over, with interviews of those directly involved in shaping Afghan negotiations, and those in the military and CIA doing the frontline fighting and operations. They are telling the truth, you are not.

Trump’s freeing thousands of Taliban prisoners and pulling troops out all the while the Taliban was not following Trump’s peace deal with them is reality WB. Not opinion or spin but facts. He did that and you can weave the usual pie in the sky scenarios of what Trump would have done but it’s not debatable on what he actually did. And you avoid the point that Trump kept pulling troops out even though the Taliban wasn’t honoring Trump’s peace deal with them.

Asked and answered.
Trump freed SOME prisoners, as a concession in a larger negotiation for a coalition government in Afghanistan, and with real threats if Taliban broke that peace with further escalation. That held the peace without a single U.S. soldier killed in 18 months.

Trump would not have pulled out, Trump would have levelled their villages. It's not too late, Biden could unleash our military to go back in there with 50,000 or 100,000 men, carpet bomb the hell out the Taliban as Trump vowed to, and then once our civilians were evacuated and the Talibaan and Al Qaida and ISIS-K were sufficiently neutralized, THEN pull out again. But Biden will never do that.

Trump made negotiations for conditional U.S. withdrawal from Afghanistan, with some concessions such as prisoner release, with real threats if Taliban broke the agreement. Biden completely jettisoned that agreement and turned the U.S. into a paper tiger. Don't blame Trump for what Biden clearly squandered.

As for your lie about Trump only releasing some prisoners…
Trump’s release of thousands of Taliban prisoners

That was September 2020 WB

Note I’m citing what I’m saying btw

As I said, Trump made a concession as part of a larger peace deal. With threats of massive retaliation against Taliban leaders if they broke that deal.

A deal Biden completely scrapped, that collapsed all of Afghanistan in less than 3 weeks, and has trapped hundreds of Americans as potential hostages in Afghanistan, because of complete lack of a Biden plan, and even after the fat, a disinterest in even rescuing them, actually obstructing those like Glenn Back and other military contractors trying to get them out.

Trump similarly made concessions to Democrats as part of a larger deal. But the Democrats are even more unprincipled than the Taliban, and wouldn't negotiate, even when given a generous offer.

As I said, releasing a few prisoners while negotiating a larger stable coalition government, that would continue to have a small U.S. military presence in Afghanistan, and would keep U.S. air support for the Afghan military indefinitely, is in no way comparable to Biden completely pulling U.S. forces in the middle of the night with not even informing the Afghans, and completely abandoning Afghan allies there and U.S. citizens to be slaughtered.

Back to pretend land of what Trump would have done while calling Trump releasing five thousand Taliban prisoners a few. And he kept pulling troops out even as the Taliban wasn’t honoring his peace deal.

As I said: Multiple people int he Trump State Department, including Mike Pompeo, as well as military officers on the ground, and military contractors, who would know better than anyone else what occurred before, during and after the Trump negotiated settlement in Feb 2020, have said that what the Democrats and Biden are saying is an absolute lie, that Trump DID NOT cause what happened under Biden, that what Biden did in abandoning the Trump negotiated agreement AFTER Trump was no longer president is what cause Afghanistan to collapse. They all say that if the Trump agreement was honored, Afghanistan would have remained stable and not fallen.

That is not "pretend land", those are the facts, as cited by the people on the ground who know better what happened in Afghanistan than anyone else. Trump made a concession to the Taliban in pursuit of stability and a larger peace. You are a liar, these frontline people interviewed are not.

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What I previously linked:

Kash Patel, Biden not following 'actual plan with merit' in Afghanistan. Patel was by Trump's side throughout the negotiations and during the last 18 months.

K T McFarland, former assistant director of national intelligence

Blackwater militry contractor and veteran soldier Erik Prince

Rep Brian Mast (R-FL), who lost his legs on the battlefield


Sourced and linked.

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Special Report Rep. Mullin (R-OK) blasts Biden after covert rescue mission into Afghanistan was thwarted


Trying to rescue Americans, and Biden's state department obstructing them at every turn.

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State Dept accused of blocking evacuation flights from Afghanistan


Another sourced story on the State Department obstructing rescue of U.S. civilians in Afghanistan.

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Rep Michael Waltz (R-FL): 'The evacuation's not over, Mr. President' -


another House Veteran with a personal knowledge of the conditions in Afghanistan, as well as in Washington bureaucracy. Who again confirms the State Department's obstruction of Americans being able to fly out of Afghanistan. Even when they've made it to the plane, and are on the runway !

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reports from inside Afghanistan: - Former CIA Agent Dan Hoffman, and Lara Logan

Pompeo is lying about Afghanistan

Pompeo Is Lying About Afghanistan
He laid the groundwork for the Taliban takeover. Now he’s blaming Biden.

BY WILLIAM SALETAN
AUG 20, 20211:16 PM

“ Mike Pompeo, Donald Trump’s former secretary of state, blames President Joe Biden for the chaos in Afghanistan. “We’re letting the Taliban run free and wild,” he complained a few days ago on Fox News. Pompeo, who is laying the groundwork for a 2024 presidential campaign, argued that the insurgents were taking over the country “because we have an administration that has refused to adopt a deterrence model, the one that President Trump and I had.” He claimed that he and Trump had kept Afghanistan “stable,” that they had “never trusted the Taliban,” and that thanks to their steely resolve, “the Taliban didn’t advance on capitals” in Afghan provinces.

None of this is true. Like many other Republicans who now profess anguish over the Taliban’s victory, Pompeo supported the U.S. withdrawal. But he didn’t just endorse the pullout; he directed it. He cut a deal with the Taliban to remove all American troops and to release Taliban fighters from Afghan prisons. He vouched for the Taliban’s assurances, even as the insurgents staged hundreds of deadly attacks. And he defended the ongoing troop withdrawals, undercutting the Afghan government in its own talks with the Taliban, as the militants besieged provincial capitals.

Two years ago, Pompeo began pushing for a deal with the Taliban. Hawks urged him to stipulate in the agreement that the Taliban had to turn over al-Qaida operatives. They also asked him to reject any demand for a “premature release of Taliban prisoners.” He did neither. Under the deal, signed on Feb. 29, 2020, the U.S. government pledged “to withdraw from Afghanistan all military forces of the United States, its allies, and Coalition partners … within fourteen (14) months.” The deal also specified that the Afghan government would release 5,000 prisoners, five times as many as the Taliban had to release. There was no requirement to hand over al-Qaida operatives.

Pompeo promised that the Taliban would rein in their carnage. “We have come to an understanding with the Taliban on a significant reduction in violence,” he declared. A day after the signing ceremony, he asserted that “the Taliban have now made the break” from al-Qaida. On Face the Nation, Margaret Brennan asked him whether the Taliban were “terrorists.” Pompeo declined to use that word, assuring her that “the [Taliban] gentleman whom I met with agreed that they would break that relationship and that they would work alongside of us to destroy” al-Qaida. On Fox News, Pompeo spoke of a personal connection with the Taliban: “I looked them in the eye. They revalidated to that commitment.” The interviewer, Bret Baier, pointed out that immediately after signing the deal, the Taliban had announced a resumption of attacks on the Afghan government. Pompeo brushed aside the announcement. “If the violence levels come down,” he told Baier, “then and only then” would the United States draw down its troops.

American forces immediately began to vacate bases and pull out. But the Taliban, contrary to its commitments, escalated its attacks. Pompeo responded by making excuses. “We have seen the senior Taliban leadership working diligently to reduce violence from previous levels,” he asserted on March 5, 2020. “We still have confidence that the Taliban leadership is working to deliver on its commitments.” He argued that critics were making too much of the latest attacks, since violence in Afghanistan was “common.”

When Fox News reporter Pete Hegseth asked whether Pompeo was willing to let Kabul fall—“We’re not going to intervene ultimately two, three years from now, if the Afghan government can’t defend itself?”—Pompeo replied, “That’s right.” Three weeks after his deal with the Taliban, he threatened to pull all U.S. forces from Afghanistan and to choke off U.S. aid—which would have brought the country to its knees—if to the government didn’t move faster in talks with the Taliban. He also repeatedly pressed for the release of jailed Taliban fighters.

The troop reductions continued, even as the Taliban carried out dozens of attacks per day. On July 1, 2020, the Department of Defense reported that al-Qaida “routinely supports and works with low-level Taliban members” and “assists local Taliban in some attacks.” This matched a separate report from United Nations Security Council investigators. Some of the evidence, later published by the Washington Post, indicated that throughout this period, Taliban leaders had collaborated militarily with al-Qaida partners and had pledged not to betray them. When Pompeo was asked about the DOD report, he claimed to have secret evidence that the Taliban was working against al-Qaida. “I can’t talk about the things that I have seen,” he said.

Critics warned that the ongoing U.S. troop withdrawals, in the face of continued Taliban aggression—including an attempt to assassinate Afghanistan’s vice president—signaled American weakness and undermined the Afghan government in its talks with the Taliban. But Pompeo blamed the attacks on rogue insurgents—“spoilers,” he called them—and insisted that “the Taliban has every incentive to get this right.” When he was asked about the U.N. report and other evidence that the Taliban was still sheltering al-Qaida, he stood by the Taliban. “We have every expectation that they will follow through,” he said.

As the United States closed its air bases and stripped its troop presence to a minimum, the Taliban advanced, seizing provincial capitals. In November, Defense Secretary Mark Esper warned that the American retreat was undercutting the Afghan government. Trump responded by firing Esper. The Afghan government asked Pompeo to slow the U.S. withdrawal and press the Taliban for a cease-fire. Pompeo, in reply, offered only to “sit on the side and help where we can.” He argued that because terrorist networks were global, the United States didn’t need troops in Afghanistan.

Pompeo maintained this position after leaving office. Last month, when he was asked about warnings from U.S. military officials “that Kabul could fall within a few months,” he scoffed that “President Trump had the same kind of resistance from the military … to reducing our footprint in Afghanistan.” He ridiculed Afghan men who talked of fleeing their country instead of “fighting for” it. Then, as the American pullout came under political attack in the United States, Pompeo switched sides. On Aug. 9, he said he was “a little bit surprised at the speed” of the Taliban’s advances. Three days later, he accused Biden of “poor leadership.” By Sunday, he was calling on American forces to “go crush these Taliban who are surrounding Kabul.” He claimed that he and Trump had “deterred” the insurgents and that Biden’s “absence of resolve” had caused the Taliban onslaught.

A year ago, in Pompeo’s words, the Taliban was represented by a “gentleman,” was “working diligently to reduce violence,” and was “sincere in wanting what’s good for the Afghan people.” Now he calls the Taliban “butchers.” “We never trusted them,” he insists. “We always knew that what they were telling us was almost certainly a lie.” He claims, preposterously, that when the insurgents didn’t fulfill their promises, “We didn’t withdraw. We crushed them.”

The return of authoritarianism in Afghanistan is tragic. So are the latest atrocities: retributive executions, brutality against civilians, and the subjugation of women. The Biden administration misjudged how quickly the government would fall, and Biden misled Americans about what could happen. But nobody has lied more about the Afghan collapse than Pompeo. At every stage, he aided the Taliban and sabotaged the Kabul government. And now he dares to blame others.”

Pompeo is a lying pos so he was useful to Trump.

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List of All US Weapons Left Behind In Afghanistan


Afghanistan now has a military arsenal larger than 85% of the orld's nations, and more air force helicopters than Australia.

People with a brain here: there's lots of blame to go around over this whole Afghanistan withdrawal debacle.

Foams-at-Mouth Boy: LIBERAL MEDIA! The OBidens! Tim Carney! Delusional wankery!

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Regarding Afghanistan, I put the blame almost 100% on the Democrats. As every one of these military contractors I've quoted who were on the ground in Afghanistan through several administrations have said, the deal Trump put in place was working, and then Biden completely pulled the rug out on the Afghan military (abandoning Bagram air force base in the middle of the night, for example, without even telling the Afghans, just literally disappearing in the middle of the night).
The Afghan military was designed to operate with U.S. air support, and then that was overnight cut off. From that moment forward, the entire nation, right on into Kabul, was overthrown in about 8 or 9 days.
Secretary of state Blinkin said on Friday, "Well, we have time to plan, it's not like they'll be in Kabul Monday."
But the Taliban literally were in Kabul on Monday!

There was a plan left in place under Trump, with conditional withdrawal, depending on conditions on the ground in Afghanistan. And a threat under Trump of massive retaliation if the Taliban broke the peace. Under the Trump plan, any Taliban aggression and escalation would end the withdrawal, and there would be heavy reprisals.

But once Biden took over as president, the Trump plan was completely abandoned, and there were no strikes against the Taliban for their aggression. And there are possibly a thousand or more Americans still stranded in Afghanistan, some held for ransom. And the Biden administration has actually obstructed the rescue of Americans.

Joe Biden has NOT EVEN MENTIONED the Americans trapped in Afghanistan for 49 days now.

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