RKMBs Forums .::Important::. Politics and Current Events Nearly 200 Killed in Madrid Explosions

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whomod said:
The question is not "Did the terrorists win?" but is, instead, "Did the government's ignoring the wish of the Spanish people not to invade Iraq (and did the government's attempted cover-up of who was responsible for the train bombings) lose?" Governmental arrogance and deception will always, eventually, be the downfall of governments, administrations and regimes.

But this "Spain bowing down to Al Queda" is typical of the right wing's perversion of truth. Zapatero has made it clear that his first priority in office will be to fight terrorism. The war in Iraq was opposed by 90% of Spaniards. The Spanish people were horrified by 3/11 and angered by their government's attempt to lay the blame on the Basque insurgent group ETA when it was clear that Al Qaeda was responsible. Spanish voters did not reward terror. They punished liars.

The newly elected leader in Spain, Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero, said it perfectly: The war in Iraq was "an error" based on "lies." Wars like the one in Iraq "only allow hatred, violence and terror to proliferate."

We are marking the one-year anniversary of this error based on lies. Anyone who believes that this war has made the world a safer place needs only to look at the recent bombings in Spain. All we have done is make it harder for us to fight these terrorist groups because we have committed most of our resources to a war in a country that was not a threat to us but, if anything, was a threat to Al Qaeda. (see my quote from Reagans Secretary of the Navy, In the Iraq thread)

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You go on believing that Iraq was not a threat, Whomod. Those of us not blinded by anti-Bush hate will look beyond your venom to the larger picture.

David Kay, despite saying that WMD's were not found, and in his opinion are unlikely to ever be found, said that Iraq was in clear material breach of U.N. treaty and WMD restrictions. Iraq was prepared to produce WMD's as soon as U.N. sactions would have been lifted from Iraq.

The U.N. records showed thousands of missing weapons. Again, as said many times, U.N. inspectors evaluated these numbers from Saddam's own military inventory records.

We all know that Saddam exterminated about a million of his own people.
Mass graves are being unearthed all over Iraq.

And back to David Kay's report again, even though WMD's were not found, Kay said that it's fortunate that we invaded, because Iraq's scientists in a Saddam Iraq collapsing under its own weight, would have created a nuclear technology/arms bazaar, which the U.S. invasion prevented.

So in every way except some trumped-up "legal" technicalities, the Iraq invasion is a good thing, for both Iraq, and for the world.

The Spanish election, despite your spin of it, was a vote for Al Qaida.
Spain's election outcome weakens the international resolve to fight terror. Spain is withdrawing its troops. All that says is that they are intimidated by the Madrid bombing, to the point that they are withdrawing troops.
The success of which, for Al Qaida, encourages more pre-election terror bombings, in other countries, including the United States.
If Spanish voters had stood strong (the government voted out was ahead in the polls before the bombing, Spanish voters were unquestionably swayed by the bombings ) then Al Qaida would likely not try pre-election bombings in the future.
But after the Spain election...
Now I fully expect an October bombing in the United States.
I'll wake up every day in October prepared for a bombing incident in the United States.

As G-man said, as Charles Krauthhammer said, as Britney said, as many others utilizing their common sense have similarly concluded, Spain's vote was one made from intimidation and cowardice.

And it only encourages similar terror attacks.

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