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That's still a bitter liberal partisan smear on your part that bypasses the truth, that Kennedy's arguments are baseless.


You realize, of course, that name calling doesn't acheive anything, at least not with me. You won't throw me for a loop or knock me off balance with by calling what I say "a bitter liberal partisan smear" if that's what you're trying to do. If not, well, such words have no other effect either. To me, it just sounds like a media byte you've used too many times for it to be effective.



When all you can post is a list of mocking quotes of George W. Bush, you've already made my point for me: That your remarks, and those of other liberals, are mean-spirited and malicious.
That list of quotes you posted, as I said above, is a vicious attack on the president, and condemns G.W. Bush for a few admittedly clumsy remarks without the context of similar public remarks by other former presidents such as Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush SR., and Clinton.
As I said.
And you ignored.

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The fact is, you pick any politician who is scrutinized nationally during pretty much every hour he is awake --republican or democrat-- you follow that person with TV cameras pretty much every hour he is awake


First, a President, any President, should be scrutinized. He's a President. Secondly, he's not followed with TV cameras pretty much every hour he is awake. Not even close. The Ben Afflecks and Paris Hiltons of our world are followed everywhere. Presidents spend a lot of time behind closed doors. The job requires it.



My point is that every time the President steps outside, he has microphones and cameras in his face.

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and , and no matter how eloquent he is most of the time, he will slip up and say something stupid, once a day, probably several times a day.


No ex-President even begins to compare to Bush in this regard. Show me a President in our history who has inspired websites, posters, and calendars with even half as much material. I could spam the off topic forum with Bushisms and create a flood the likes of which Pariah has never dreamed.

Also, for the most part, these are not personal conversations I'm quoting. These are national speeches. These words were spoken into microphones and recorded for posterity, not because people were following him with cameras, but because he called conferences and addressed populations.



You contradicted yourself later in your post, and turned 180 degrees in opinion and agreed with my point.
The point is: You can go through the record and find equally stupid fumbled sentences from Clinton or any other president, republican or democrat.
Which again, I said above.
And you ignored.

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And in the case of George W Bush, you can bet the liberal partisan and bitterly anti-Bush media will be there every time he slips, to portray Bush in the most negative light they can manufacture.

And you can bet just as surely that they will blunt the impact of his most eloquent moments, through selective soundbyting.


This "liberal partisan and bitterly anti-Bush media" is something for another thread, but though I'll admit there are some very liberal outlets out there, I'll be as quick to add that there are some very conservative outlets. When Bush says something eloquent, when Bush says something right, we hear about it.



Not really. Since about 80% of the media is liberal, you really don't.
Unless you dig to find it.

Unless you read the Wall Street Journal or watch FOX News, or you're one of the select few who subscribes to the Weekly Standard, The American Spectator or the National Review.

But again, that requires some digging. If you watch ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, or read the New York Times, Washington Post, Atlanta Constitution-Journal, Chicago Tribune, L.A. Times...
Print or broadcast, the news is overwhelmingly liberal.

In south Florida, where you and I both live, all three major newspapers, the Miami Herald, Fort Lauderdale Sun-Sentinel, and the Palm Beach Post are ALL liberal publications.
Please point out one counter-balancing conservative newspaper. Just one.

"When Bush says something right we hear about it. "
Sure.
You bet.

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Further, you can go through 8 years of Rush Limbaugh broadcasts, or some other conservative source, and find similar stupid remarks by Bill Clinton, for pretty much any day of Clinton's presidency.


Thus my point. Every politician--heck, every celebrity--eventually says something stupid, given enough time. Way too much weight is being put on this Kennedy thing. Calling him "senile" because of it? Really? Come on.



This is your point I mentioned earlier. You first say that Bush is singularly stupid and that no other president or politician can possibly equal his sheer volume of stupidity.

And then here you turn 180 degrees without blinking and say that everyone in the public eye says stupid things by simply being in the spotlight long enough.
Which is precisely my point.
Which I already said.
Which you ignored.

So again, you singled out Bush with your remarks as if he was the only one. Which is partisan and mean-spirited.

When in fact, you can just as easily find many similar remarks from virtually any politician, republican or democrat. Clinton and Gore included.

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Finally, the goofy remarks of Bush and Clinton were bungled words in an otherwise lucid and serious policy, and they just goofed a line.

In contrast to Ted Kennedy's remarks about President Bush, which are vicious accusations based on a pathetically flawed argument.

Not just a bungled sentence, but the very foundation of Kennedy's partisan attack is based on science fictional misrepresentation of the facts, and pure malice on his part.


Every politician has malice towards someone. Comes with the territory. Bush and Clinton have made "vicious accusations based on pathetically flawed arguments." Believe it.

Many of the comments Cheney made about Edwards during the vice-presidential debate were described similarly and just as accurately.

This isn't something new. People should stop treating it as such.



I just think the democrats are just a bit more vicious.

And I think much of the harsher republican rhetoric is an obligatory response to the most extreme and slanderous things said by the democrats.

You may recall the cheap shots during the debates aimed at Cheney's lesbian daughter ?
And that level of viciousness was exceeded by Cheney... how ?

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