RKMBs Forums .::Important::. Politics and Current Events Wow, Bush is just evil now, there's no doubt.

Not really. But keep telling yourself that.

If anything, and I don't always agree with WB, he's attacking a philosophy and explaining why he opposes that philosophy. You guys constantly attack a person.

Liberals infuriate me.

Liberals sneer contemptiously at the very notion that America is a great and uniquely valuable country, with a proud history.
Liberals defend murderers, give light sentences to criminals that allow them to victimize others, and defend criminals' rights over those of their victims.
Liberals defend terrorist Al Qaida killers at Guantanamo Bay, who constantly try to kill their jailers, and portray them as "inhumanly" treated and suffering atrocities at American hands, when in truth they have a better diet and healthcare than they ever had on the battlefield, or in their entire lives.
Liberals undermine religious freedom and teaching the role of religion in founding our nation and its principles, while defending gay marriage, and glamorizing single moms, and teaching/promoting islam (the ideology of our enemy).
Democrats promote assisted suicide and abortions. The party of death, the party of decadence.
The party that splinters the nation with allegations of racism far beyond reality.


And you voice a feigned call for unity, bastardizing Lincoln to promote your twisted up-is-down/black-is-white relativist moralism, to defend an ideology that is hell-bent on destroying America.
Fuck your Trojan Horse, Whomod.

Liberals hate America, and in their own minority-pandering for votes, promote hatred of America and its history in our classrooms on a new generation of Americans, to confuse the public into increasingly supporting globalism and a North American Union movement, supported by rampant immigration, and hispanic groups that see the U.S. Constitution as a "transitional document", in a movement toward dissolution of the United States, and as a stage toward that, Mexicanizing and separatist nationalism for the Mexicanized Southwest. [/b]

You guys constantly attack a person.

You've forced me to make you look stupid.

...by posting an example of what I meant?

Wow. No wonder you think you're a "slayer of conservatives." Not hard to give yourself THAT title, then is it?

In the very post you cited to prove me wrong, you see WB attacking generic "liberals". He isn't attacking named persons or blaming a particular person for a problem. He's blaming followers of a political philosophy.

Again, I submit it's not the same thing.

As for Ray, there's nothing wrong with criticizing a President (any President) but, as I've discussed before, some of you guys take it to extremes (see, e.g., the original title of this thread) and/or to the point of illogic, attacking him for things that you wouldn't oppose if it were anyone else.

Sometimes, thankfully not so much on this board, there's even a tendency to wish physical harm or illness on the man.

That crosses a line from reasoned dissent to "hate."

Your comparison is invalid. There's a diffrence between saying bush is evil/stupid/bad and blaming him for every [single] thing that's bad which is what WB does with Liberals.

I've repeatedly argued with Wonder Boy about his rhetoric of blaming liberals for hating and trying to destroy America. It's inciteful.

You ignore that I frequently praise liberals/Democrats who demonstrate a knowledge of foreign policy, and who demonstrate a clear understanding of the real issues, and who don't resort to the same divisive smear tactics as their fellow America-hating liberal Democrats. Among those I've praised are Sen. Joseph Biden, Sen. Christopher Dodd, Sen Joseph Lieberman, and Sen. Byron Dorgan.

I've even praised Bill Clinton for some of his actions. I think Bosnia intervention prevented a meltdown in Europe that could have escalated into a much larger regional conflict, if not World War 3.
Clinton's wisest actions as president were very quick response to global economic crises, with economic bailouts to Mexico and Indonesia, that without faster response could have caused a lot of harm to global markets, and to our economy as well.
I also have great praise for Clinton's Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin.

intolerant of anyone who doesn't ascribe to the same liberal policies they do.

You ignore that I frequently praise liberals/Democrats who demonstrate a knowledge of foreign policy, and who demonstrate a clear understanding of the real issues, and who don't resort to the same divisive smear tactics as their fellow America-hating liberal Democrats. Among those I've praised are Sen. Joseph Biden, Sen. Christopher Dodd, Sen Joseph Lieberman, and Sen. Byron Dorgan.

I've even praised Bill Clinton for some of his actions. I think Bosnia intervention prevented a meltdown in Europe that could have escalated into a much larger regional conflict, if not World War 3.
Clinton's wisest actions as president were very quick response to global economic crises, with economic bailouts to Mexico and Indonesia, that without faster response could have caused a lot of harm to global markets, and to our economy as well.
I also have great praise for Clinton's Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin.

It's not that we ignore it so much as we never see you say these good things till your called out on being a conservative zealot.

How anyone can say this about the left as though the right isn't just or MORE guilty of this is blind. The only diffrence is the left is more straight forward while the right is passive aggresive in being judgemental.

And just so we don't lose sight of what really matters more pics on Bush's evil-







and if it makes you feel better-

WB has pointed out Dems & certain actions that he agrees with but it's all chalked up to being exceptions to Dems being the bad guys in general. An insulting generalization IMHO.

where? as i've shown it's easy to pull up your racist/sexist quotes but in all that digging i don't recall seeing anything positive. so please link and quote and date your positive remarks about certain liberals so we can decide for ourselves whether they're actually nice or just more BS.

Every time I start to accept that Halo82 might actually be a separate person, Halo posts something like this to further convince me that he has to be an alt for whomod.

He began posting here within a week of Whomod's return to these boards after 2 years.
What are the odds that another person on these boards could be this vitriolically anti-Republican, and have the same tendencies toward mocking caricatures and posting partisan propaganda images?

And like Whomod, he finds things wildly funny, that are in truth just vicious and mean-spirited.

i.e., they share the same hatred and pathological obsession.

The Statue of Liberty being vampire-bitten by Bush image is one Whomod posted to these boards repeatedly 3 or 4 years ago.

And I've also admonished what I see as the globalist/anti-american

By the 1980s, with Ronald Reagan as president and the growing involvement of the religious right in conservative politics, Goldwater's libertarian views on personal issues were revealed, which he believed were an integral part of true conservativism. Goldwater viewed abortion as a matter of personal choice, not intended for government intervention.

As a passionate defender of personal liberty, he saw the religious right's views as an encroachment on personal privacy and individual liberties. In his 1980 Senate reelection campaign, Goldwater won support from religious conservatives but in his final term voted consistently to uphold legalized abortion and, in 1981, gave a speech on how he was angry about the bullying of American politicians by religious organizations, and would "fight them every step of the way".[14] Goldwater also disagreed with the Reagan administration on certain aspects of foreign policy (e.g. he opposed the decision to mine Nicaraguan harbors). Notwithstanding his prior differences with Dwight Eisenhower, Goldwater in a 1986 interview rated him the best of the seven Presidents with whom he had worked.

After his retirement in 1987, Goldwater described the conservative Arizona Governor Evan Mecham as “hardheaded” and called on him to resign, and two years later stated that the Republican Party had been taken over by a “bunch of kooks.” In a 1994 interview with the Washington Post the retired senator said,



In response to Moral Majority founder Jerry Falwell's opposition to the nomination of Sandra Day O'Connor to the Supreme Court, of which Falwell had said, “Every good Christian should be concerned,” Goldwater retorted: “I think every good Christian ought to kick Falwell right in the ass.”[15] Goldwater also had harsh words for his onetime political protege, President Reagan, particularly after the Iran-Contra Affair became public in 1986. Journalist Robert MacNeil, a friend of Goldwater's from the 1964 Presidential campaign, recalled interviewing him in his office shortly afterward. "He was sitting in his office with his hands on his cane...and he said to me, 'Well, aren't you going to ask me about the Iran arms sales?' It had just been announced that the Reagan administration had sold arms to Iran. And I said, 'Well, if I asked you, what would you say?' He said, 'I'd say it's the goddamn stupidest foreign policy blunder this country's ever made!'"[16] Also, in 1988 during that year's presidential campaign, he pointedly told vice-presidential nominee Dan Quayle at a campaign event in Arizona "I want you to go back and tell George Bush to start talking about the issues." [4]

Some of Goldwater's statements in the 1990s aggravated many social conservatives. He endorsed Democrat Karan English in an Arizona congressional race, urged Republicans to lay off Clinton over the Whitewater scandal, and criticized the military's ban on homosexuals: “Everyone knows that gays have served honorably in the military since at least the time of Julius Caesar.”[17] He also said, “You don't have to be straight to be in the military; you just have to be able to shoot straight.” A few years before his death he went so far as to address the right wing, "Do not associate my name with anything you do. You are extremists, and you've hurt the Republican Party much more than the Democrats have."[18]

In 1996 he told Bob Dole, whose own presidential campaign received lukewarm support from conservative Republicans: “We're the new liberals of the Republican Party. Can you imagine that?” In that same year, with Senator Dennis DeConcini, Goldwater endorsed an Arizona initiative to legalize medical marijuana against the will of social conservatives.[19]

Musician Virtuopath[20] dedicated a song to Goldwater called, Au H2O. The song also makes a reference to libertarian Ron Paul, who is endorsed by Barry Goldwater, Jr. in the 2008 Presidential Election.

Barry Goldwater

You know, I wasn't going to say this, because I agree with Wonderboy that his opponents in this debate have been less than objective and more inciteful that they themselves would admit.

But Wonderboy, if calling prominent politicians, presidential candidates even, for traitors isn't hateful and inciteful then I don't know what is.

Wonderboy, with that remark you TRULY have lowered yourself to a level you've hinted to you would like to avoid.

I would urge you to withdraw such comments as I would urge Halo, whomod and adler to withdraw their accusations of war crimes against Bush

I would urge you to withdraw such comments as I would urge Halo, whomod and adler to withdraw their accusations of war crimes against Bush

well, the lying part, you can't really prove he knowingly lied. The torture part, has he said he condoned it? and the violation of International law, is that the thing with invading Iraq without a UN mandate? well, as you know, a nation does not really need a mandate from the UN to declare war when they act in self defense.
And that leads back to the part where you can't prove he knowingly lied

well, the lying part, you can't really prove he knowingly lied. The torture part, has he said he condoned it? and the violation of International law, is that the thing with invading Iraq without a UN mandate? well, as you know, a nation does not really need a mandate from the UN to declare war when they act in self defense.
And that leads back to the part where you can't prove he knowingly lied

I know it's not a big thing but it's just an example of how you re-edit someone's post to suit you.

If you'd bothered to be honest and second, actually quote my entire response, you'd clearly see that I was laughing at the word "twat" being an acrynom for the war on terror.

But noooo.... You have to go and be a douche. Not that I didn't think all those pics were funny mind you, but I wasn't responding to ALL THOSE PICS as you tried to re-edit me into doing.

I mind because it's cheap and dishonest.

EDIT:

Oh, I just noticed you even retitled the thread to directly try to hammer your dishonest point across at my expense.

For shame G-Man...

For shame.



"Speaking of Inciteful and Hateful, G-Man"

Man, that nails the point home and in an truthful way. Because it was inciteful and based on the dishonesty involved in doing that, I'd guess hateful as well.

Um guys,...

just wanted to re-post this since I already commented on G-Man's dishonesty but even that wasn't enough to stop my name from still being used disparagingly on the title thread.

Consider this a cease and desist.

I did say that you can't prove whether or not Bush KNOWINGLY lied

If you'd bothered to be honest and second, actually quote my entire response, you'd clearly see that I was laughing at the word "twat" being an acrynom for the war on terror....

Are you seriously saying that you thought the other anti-Bush pics weren't funny?

In any event, I'll clarify: You took WB to task for "inciteful and hateful" comments towards liberals. I was simply pointing out that Halo (and, come to think of it, Ray) has made posts that are at least as (if not more) "inciteful and hateful" towards President Bush with what appear to be your approval. I mentioned your name because, in fact, I was directing my comment at you and responding to your comment.

Obviously, you have the opportunity to correct my understanding of what you meant and condemn Halo and Ray's comments and posts if you feel I've mischaracterized your opinion of them. If you say that you think they are out of bounds, I'll take you at your word.

WB says Liberals are disdainful/hateful [while] we say Bush is a moron.

Are you seriously saying that you thought the other anti-Bush pics weren't funny?

But noooo.... You have to go and be a douche. Not that I didn't think all those pics were funny mind you, but I wasn't responding to ALL THOSE PICS as you tried to re-edit me into doing.

In any event, I'll clarify: You took WB to task for "inciteful and hateful" comments towards liberals. I was simply pointing out that Halo (and, come to think of it, Ray) has made posts that are at least as (if not more) "inciteful and hateful" towards President Bush with what appear to be your approval. I mentioned your name because, in fact, I was directing my comment at you and responding to your comment.

Obviously, you have the opportunity to correct my understanding of what you meant and condemn Halo and Ray's comments and posts if you feel I've mischaracterized your opinion of them. If you say that you think they are out of bounds, I'll take you at your word.

I mind because it's cheap and dishonest.

EDIT:

Oh, I just noticed you even retitled the thread to directly try to hammer your dishonest point across at my expense.

For shame G-Man...

For shame.

So...you've admitted that I was correct. You did find the pictures funny.

Accordingly, your accusation that I unfairly accused you of finding them funny is without merit. You did.

So what it really boils down to is that you find criticism of generic "liberals" to be inciteful and hateful, but portraying the President as a Nazi/Monster/Evildoer to be "funny."

I guess it all boils down to whether or not the insult is written or photoshopped...?